A plea for common sense and compassion in the immigration debate

A rosary rests between the hands of two protesters during a vigil on immigration policy. (Jonathan Gibby – GETTY IMAGES) … Continued

A rosary rests between the hands of two protesters during a vigil on immigration policy. (Jonathan Gibby – GETTY IMAGES)

The immigration reform debate has generated discussion about the impact of immigrants on our country. However, while there has been much talk about the economic, social and enforcement aspects of the issue, there has been not enough on the fact that  immigration is a humanitarian and, ultimately, moral issue as well. The Congressional recess offers a time for heads to clear and to see this issue as a preeminent moral issue for the nation.

Each day we see the human consequences of an immigration system. Families are separated; migrants exploited by unscrupulous employers and smugglers; and human beings, desperate to survive, perish in the American desert.  Moreover, as our nation benefits from the work of undocumented workers, we do not extend them basic workplace or legal protections and at the same time scapegoat them for our social ills.

The U.S. bishops hold that the prescription for mending the system is to emphasize legality over illegality through the creation of legal avenues for migration and the extension of legal status and a path to citizenship to undocumented immigrants.  This suggests a more comprehensive approach, which reforms all aspects of the system.

It is worth considering how the U.S. immigration policy actually encourages illegal immigration. As the federal government has spent billions on border enforcement the past 15 years, the number of undocumented in the nation has more than doubled.  The fence cannot hold back people desperate for jobs, and people know that once the undocumented immigrants arrive in the United States, almost 80 percent of the male migrant workers find jobs with U.S. companies.

This powerful magnet of available employment induces the flow of immigrants. To compound matters, U.S. immigration law fails to provide legal channels for these workers to migrate safely and legally. Work visas for low-skilled workers are absurdly small compared to demand – 5,000 per year in the permanent system and 66,000 per year in the temporary one. Family unity visas can be even scarcer, with waiting times as long as 10 years for Mexican immediate family members to be reunited.

Second, we must consider both the intent and effect of undocumented immigration.  The intent of immigrant workers is to work and support their families. The effect is that they support the U.S. economy by working in industries in need of laborers.

Leaders in the home building industry estimate that, if the undocumented workforce left the U.S., housing construction would be delayed six to eight months and costs would increase 30 to 40 percent. In the health care industry, immigrant workers are relied on heavily to provide care to the elderly and other infirm patients.  According to the Department of Labor, the demand for foreign-born workers in these industries and others will increase dramatically in the years ahead.

Comprehensive immigration reform is a humane solution to our immigration crisis. It enables immigrants and their families to remain together and to fully contribute their talents to their communities without fear.  It also would help reduce the deaths of migrants who die in the desert.

Elected officials must examine the root causes of migration and work with sending countries to create jobs for migrants in their home communities. This is the long-term solution to our immigration crisis that the erection of a 700-mile border fence, recently passed by Congress, will not provide.

The issue of immigration elicits strong opinions and emotions on both sides.

The Congressional recess offers people a time to clear their heads, to tone down the rhetoric and focus on solutions. We need a bill that creates an immigration system that upholds values Americans cherish—hard work, opportunity and compassion.

Sister Mary Ann Walsh is Director of Media Relations, U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

 

  • Charles Edward Brown

    We need to show compassion to the citizens of the United States as well. We need to take care of our own people. We have 20 million Americans who are out of work. Our students who finish college can’t even get a job. Making 11 million illegal aliens into US Citizens will cost Trillions of dollars. The best answer would be to quickly deport all illegal aliens and their families back to their home countries.

  • Charles Edward Brown

    We need to show compassion to the citizens of the United States as well. We need to take care of our own people. We have 20 million Americans who are out of work. Our students who finish college can’t even get a job. Making 11 million illegal aliens into US Citizens will cost Trillions of dollars. The best answer would be to quickly deport all illegal aliens and their families back to their home countries.

  • malusk03

    Nothing is stopping those 20 million Americans from going out to the parking lots and competing with those illegal aliens for the day jobs they now hold. Most employers would prefer to hire people whose native language is English, if only they would work for the same wages and put up with the same conditions that the illegals do. Since when did being born here entitle you to a job?

  • malusk03

    Nothing is stopping those 20 million Americans from going out to the parking lots and competing with those illegal aliens for the day jobs they now hold. Most employers would prefer to hire people whose native language is English, if only they would work for the same wages and put up with the same conditions that the illegals do. Since when did being born here entitle you to a job?

  • edbyronadams

    Claiming that failure to seal the border is a cause of this problem ignores the promise to do just that as the price for the last immigration amnesty. Of course, a border can never be sealed entirely but utilizing the “defense in depth” strategy of greater border control, more workplace raids and employer sanctions would do a much better job than we have in the past. As far as compassion goes, I have it for all concerned including those waiting in line for legal immigration and the millions of unemployed that could take those construction jobs.

    Sacrificing the rule of law for purely pragmatic reasons is an indulgence that should be beyond the realm of spiritual people. There is always a balance and legalizing the status of line jumpers goes too far.

  • edbyronadams

    Claiming that failure to seal the border is a cause of this problem ignores the promise to do just that as the price for the last immigration amnesty. Of course, a border can never be sealed entirely but utilizing the “defense in depth” strategy of greater border control, more workplace raids and employer sanctions would do a much better job than we have in the past. As far as compassion goes, I have it for all concerned including those waiting in line for legal immigration and the millions of unemployed that could take those construction jobs.

    Sacrificing the rule of law for purely pragmatic reasons is an indulgence that should be beyond the realm of spiritual people. There is always a balance and legalizing the status of line jumpers goes too far.

  • edbyronadams

    malusko, your post is proof positive that illegal immigration depresses wages on the lower end. People often advance the “do the jobs that Americans won’t do” argument when it is really a “jobs that Americans won’t do at current rates of compensation. Choose. Advocate for illegal immigrants or advocate for the working poor among citizens but it is intellectually dishonest to advocate for both.

  • edbyronadams

    malusko, your post is proof positive that illegal immigration depresses wages on the lower end. People often advance the “do the jobs that Americans won’t do” argument when it is really a “jobs that Americans won’t do at current rates of compensation. Choose. Advocate for illegal immigrants or advocate for the working poor among citizens but it is intellectually dishonest to advocate for both.

  • superscalar

    ‘Leaders in the home building industry estimate that, if the undocumented workforce left the U.S., housing construction would be delayed six to eight months and costs would increase 30 to 40 percent.’

    The same argument was made in the antebellum South to continue slavery, i.e. money.

    Illegal immigrants make up about five percent of the U.S. workforce, and they don’t comprise a majority in any job sector. Suddenly construction is now a ‘job that Americans won’t do’ too, so contractors in CA can now pay illegal immigrants on 1099′s, neither side of the arrangement has to worry about silly things like taxes and I9′s, and everybody’s happy.

    ‘Elected officials must examine the root causes of migration’

    62% of all illegal immigrants are from Mexico, at the same time that Mexico has dominated the U.S. legal immigration system since the 1986 IRCA. The ‘root causes of migration’ in Mexico’s case are

    1.) NAFTA, which politicians and the media don’t want to talk about — apparently according to them there is no connection between NAFTA and illegal immigration

    2.) The U.S. doesn’t do interior enforcement of immigration law, or enforcement of identity fraud law, perjury law, etc., so if you make it across the border you’re golden.

    3.) Mexico is a corrupt third world economy, Mexico has always been a corrupt third world economy, Mexico will always be a corrupt third world economy. It just so happens it’s also one of the largest ‘trading’ (and I use that word loosely) partners of the U.S.

  • superscalar

    ‘Leaders in the home building industry estimate that, if the undocumented workforce left the U.S., housing construction would be delayed six to eight months and costs would increase 30 to 40 percent.’

    The same argument was made in the antebellum South to continue slavery, i.e. money.

    Illegal immigrants make up about five percent of the U.S. workforce, and they don’t comprise a majority in any job sector. Suddenly construction is now a ‘job that Americans won’t do’ too, so contractors in CA can now pay illegal immigrants on 1099′s, neither side of the arrangement has to worry about silly things like taxes and I9′s, and everybody’s happy.

    ‘Elected officials must examine the root causes of migration’

    62% of all illegal immigrants are from Mexico, at the same time that Mexico has dominated the U.S. legal immigration system since the 1986 IRCA. The ‘root causes of migration’ in Mexico’s case are

    1.) NAFTA, which politicians and the media don’t want to talk about — apparently according to them there is no connection between NAFTA and illegal immigration

    2.) The U.S. doesn’t do interior enforcement of immigration law, or enforcement of identity fraud law, perjury law, etc., so if you make it across the border you’re golden.

    3.) Mexico is a corrupt third world economy, Mexico has always been a corrupt third world economy, Mexico will always be a corrupt third world economy. It just so happens it’s also one of the largest ‘trading’ (and I use that word loosely) partners of the U.S.

  • Samoset

    Tip of my hat for a thoughtful discussion …. adding light … not heat … is always the best course …

  • Samoset

    Tip of my hat for a thoughtful discussion …. adding light … not heat … is always the best course …

  • AmberDru1

    Where is the compassion for my American family who does “those jobs”? Illegals are able to all go home together anytime they wish. The Mexican economy is growing at a faster rate than the U.S. economy. Mexico has a lower unemployment rate than the U.S… Every other country on earth puts the needs of their own citizens before those of foreign nationals. No one is starving in Mexico or anywhere else south of the border. Mexico leads the world in obesity. What about my family? What about compassion for us? Under the amnesty bill these black women who sued Howard Industries would still not have jobs and the illegals could keep the jobs obtained by stealing identities! The employers get amnesty too!Veronica Cook, Ylounda Phelps, Charlyn Dozier and Seleatha McGee seek class-action certification of their claim that repeated job applications were denied due to discrimination.

    In the first lawsuit, Dozier claims she applied for a job with Howard Industries every three to six months beginning in 2002, but wasn’t offered a position until after the 2008 (immigration) raid. Howard Industries settled.

  • AmberDru1

    Where is the compassion for my American family who does “those jobs”? Illegals are able to all go home together anytime they wish. The Mexican economy is growing at a faster rate than the U.S. economy. Mexico has a lower unemployment rate than the U.S… Every other country on earth puts the needs of their own citizens before those of foreign nationals. No one is starving in Mexico or anywhere else south of the border. Mexico leads the world in obesity. What about my family? What about compassion for us? Under the amnesty bill these black women who sued Howard Industries would still not have jobs and the illegals could keep the jobs obtained by stealing identities! The employers get amnesty too!Veronica Cook, Ylounda Phelps, Charlyn Dozier and Seleatha McGee seek class-action certification of their claim that repeated job applications were denied due to discrimination.

    In the first lawsuit, Dozier claims she applied for a job with Howard Industries every three to six months beginning in 2002, but wasn’t offered a position until after the 2008 (immigration) raid. Howard Industries settled.

  • NeilAllen1

    The Catholic church is panicking because 35% of Catholics from two decades ago have left because they have been running the world’s largest child rape crime syndicate. That 35% has figured out that it isn’t God’s church.

    Of the 65% that are left, most don’t go to church, so churches are empty. People have access to the truth in the US through the internet, but the truth in Mexico and other Spanish speaking countries is harder to find, so they haven’t left the church in the same massive numbers.

    Catholics, stop trying to import people because the locals don’t believe that God endorses an organized crime syndicate of child rape.

  • NeilAllen1

    The Catholic church is panicking because 35% of Catholics from two decades ago have left because they have been running the world’s largest child rape crime syndicate. That 35% has figured out that it isn’t God’s church.

    Of the 65% that are left, most don’t go to church, so churches are empty. People have access to the truth in the US through the internet, but the truth in Mexico and other Spanish speaking countries is harder to find, so they haven’t left the church in the same massive numbers.

    Catholics, stop trying to import people because the locals don’t believe that God endorses an organized crime syndicate of child rape.

  • mx1940

    @ Neilallen1: You are so full of hogwash.Are you serious,you believe everything on the internet? And you must think all Catholics believe those blatant lies.Come on, just because you don’t like immigrants does not give you the right to blast The many devout Catholics in this world.People like you love to flap their jaws and spread vicious lies,manipulate truth and numbers.The USCB has come out in support of the Immigrants and just fully so.This has moral implications and as human beings and Catholics we need to stand for the 11 million who are w/o papers.

  • mx1940

    @ Neilallen1: You are so full of hogwash.Are you serious,you believe everything on the internet? And you must think all Catholics believe those blatant lies.Come on, just because you don’t like immigrants does not give you the right to blast The many devout Catholics in this world.People like you love to flap their jaws and spread vicious lies,manipulate truth and numbers.The USCB has come out in support of the Immigrants and just fully so.This has moral implications and as human beings and Catholics we need to stand for the 11 million who are w/o papers.

  • Anonymous63

    Errr, “common sense and compassion”?

    The US Senate has passed legislation that enriches corporations and elites while leaving our middle-class and poor to face TWO DECADES of increased unemployment and falling wages. FACTS confirmed by the CBO. Even as this nation faces real unemployment of nearly 15%, stagnant wages and escalating poverty.

    And with even a mere 23% supporting *any* increase to current immigration, the Senate has passed legislation to massively expand foreign “guest worker” and US immigration — even as nearly two million US engineers are unemployed or underemployed, those past mid-forty cannot get hired by US corporations and half this nation’s STEM graduates cannot find STEM careers. Even as 75% of all US entry-level STEM jobs go to the foreign-born.

    Compassion and common sense? How about CEOs and corporations that valuing something other than profit e.g. citizenship, humanity, etc. How about ending their corruption of our elected politicians and perversion of government policy to serving their ends?

    None supporting a “pathway” should have any illusions about the REAL villain — it is corporate GREED and a corrupt government.

  • Anonymous63

    Errr, “common sense and compassion”?

    The US Senate has passed legislation that enriches corporations and elites while leaving our middle-class and poor to face TWO DECADES of increased unemployment and falling wages. FACTS confirmed by the CBO. Even as this nation faces real unemployment of nearly 15%, stagnant wages and escalating poverty.

    And with even a mere 23% supporting *any* increase to current immigration, the Senate has passed legislation to massively expand foreign “guest worker” and US immigration — even as nearly two million US engineers are unemployed or underemployed, those past mid-forty cannot get hired by US corporations and half this nation’s STEM graduates cannot find STEM careers. Even as 75% of all US entry-level STEM jobs go to the foreign-born.

    Compassion and common sense? How about CEOs and corporations that valuing something other than profit e.g. citizenship, humanity, etc. How about ending their corruption of our elected politicians and perversion of government policy to serving their ends?

    None supporting a “pathway” should have any illusions about the REAL villain — it is corporate GREED and a corrupt government.

  • Jehan Laurent

    Compassion ends where law breaking begins. Our immigration laws are not optional anymore than our laws on bank robbery and murder are optional, unless we no longer care about our country, laws, or respect for others. The news has reported tens of thousand of crimes and other harms by illegal aliens against US citizens so where is the compassion for our fellow Americans over foreign interlopers who do not respect our laws?

  • Jehan Laurent

    Compassion ends where law breaking begins. Our immigration laws are not optional anymore than our laws on bank robbery and murder are optional, unless we no longer care about our country, laws, or respect for others. The news has reported tens of thousand of crimes and other harms by illegal aliens against US citizens so where is the compassion for our fellow Americans over foreign interlopers who do not respect our laws?

  • John-the-Mason

    Keep your Day Job Sister…

    You’re essentially telling the world that Catholics believe once a destitute, homeless person breaks into one of your churches and stows away for a few years undetected, you and the Church leadership would essentially allow him to become a permanent resident of the church will all benefits (food, insurance, transportation, etc.). I mean, after all, isn’t that the moral thing to do? Of course not, come out of your silly cocoon and start paying attention to real life economics and security.

  • John-the-Mason

    Keep your Day Job Sister…

    You’re essentially telling the world that Catholics believe once a destitute, homeless person breaks into one of your churches and stows away for a few years undetected, you and the Church leadership would essentially allow him to become a permanent resident of the church will all benefits (food, insurance, transportation, etc.). I mean, after all, isn’t that the moral thing to do? Of course not, come out of your silly cocoon and start paying attention to real life economics and security.

  • Thinkpoint

    Don’t just throw this at the Senate. The Obama administration is right their with them albeit more deceitfully.

  • Thinkpoint

    Don’t just throw this at the Senate. The Obama administration is right their with them albeit more deceitfully.

  • Gonzaga

    “(P)eople know that once the undocumented immigrants arrive in the United States, almost 80 percent of the male migrant workers find jobs with U.S. companies. This powerful magnet of available employment induces the flow of immigrants. ..”

    We should take steps, as they do in the UK, see,.e.g., Birmingham Mail Aug. 2, 2013 (excerpt, below), to remove that magnet–and the illegal immigrants it attracts.

    “ . . . Birmingham raids target suspected illegal immigrants at restaurants
    The afternoon raid was part of a series of swoops from Home Office Immigration Enforcement teams across the country.
    The Birmingham Mail joined more than a dozen officers, who visited the Star City noodle bar in Nechells, where 12 members of staff were questioned and three arrested and taken into custody.
    Briefing officers ahead of two raids in Birmingham, Ian Ashenden, area director for the Immigration Enforcement Team, said: “This is the third day of action as part of Operation Compliance.
    “It’s intelligence-led and aims to track down, arrest and ultimately remove people who are working here in the UK illegally.
    “ . . . . The three Birmingham men were joined by 59 others arrested in further raids in London, Durham, Manchester, Wales and Somerset.
    All were questioned on Thursday night, with a view to removing any who have no right to be in the country.
    Immigration Minister Mark Harper said: “Yesterday’s operations highlight the routine work we are carrying out every day to stamp out illegal working.
    “We are sending a clear message to employers who choose to use illegal labour – we will find you and you will pay a heavy penalty.
    “We will not allow the growth of a shadow economy for illegal migrants.”
    The Immigration Bill, which will be introduced later this year, carries proposals to make life even tougher for unscrupulous businesses by beefing-up penalties for employing illegal workers.
    Anyone with information about immigration crime can contact Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

  • Gonzaga

    “(P)eople know that once the undocumented immigrants arrive in the United States, almost 80 percent of the male migrant workers find jobs with U.S. companies. This powerful magnet of available employment induces the flow of immigrants. ..”

    We should take steps, as they do in the UK, see,.e.g., Birmingham Mail Aug. 2, 2013 (excerpt, below), to remove that magnet–and the illegal immigrants it attracts.

    “ . . . Birmingham raids target suspected illegal immigrants at restaurants
    The afternoon raid was part of a series of swoops from Home Office Immigration Enforcement teams across the country.
    The Birmingham Mail joined more than a dozen officers, who visited the Star City noodle bar in Nechells, where 12 members of staff were questioned and three arrested and taken into custody.
    Briefing officers ahead of two raids in Birmingham, Ian Ashenden, area director for the Immigration Enforcement Team, said: “This is the third day of action as part of Operation Compliance.
    “It’s intelligence-led and aims to track down, arrest and ultimately remove people who are working here in the UK illegally.
    “ . . . . The three Birmingham men were joined by 59 others arrested in further raids in London, Durham, Manchester, Wales and Somerset.
    All were questioned on Thursday night, with a view to removing any who have no right to be in the country.
    Immigration Minister Mark Harper said: “Yesterday’s operations highlight the routine work we are carrying out every day to stamp out illegal working.
    “We are sending a clear message to employers who choose to use illegal labour – we will find you and you will pay a heavy penalty.
    “We will not allow the growth of a shadow economy for illegal migrants.”
    The Immigration Bill, which will be introduced later this year, carries proposals to make life even tougher for unscrupulous businesses by beefing-up penalties for employing illegal workers.
    Anyone with information about immigration crime can contact Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

  • wigglwagon

    ” The intent of immigrant workers is to work and support their families. The effect is that they support the U.S. economy by working in industries in need of laborers.”

    That 100% untrue. We always hear the same false claims from the cheap labor lobby. There is no shortage of legal workers in America.

    Supply and demand is the most basic, incontrovertible principle of economics. It does not require a DEGREE IN ECONOMICS to know that increasing the supply of labor reduces the price for that labor. In other words, it drives down wages. Driving down wages reduces consumer demand for goods and services. Reducing consumer demand causes workers to be laid off. Those lay offs reduce demand even more and bring on even more lay offs.

  • wigglwagon

    ” The intent of immigrant workers is to work and support their families. The effect is that they support the U.S. economy by working in industries in need of laborers.”

    That 100% untrue. We always hear the same false claims from the cheap labor lobby. There is no shortage of legal workers in America.

    Supply and demand is the most basic, incontrovertible principle of economics. It does not require a DEGREE IN ECONOMICS to know that increasing the supply of labor reduces the price for that labor. In other words, it drives down wages. Driving down wages reduces consumer demand for goods and services. Reducing consumer demand causes workers to be laid off. Those lay offs reduce demand even more and bring on even more lay offs.

  • wigglwagon

    The cheap labor lobby will say and do anything to keep from losing their slave like labor. No matter how much they whine and cry, PRICES ARE NOT DETERMINED BY THE COST OF PRODUCTION. Prices are determined by what customers can afford to pay.

    Customers who have been forced into unemployment and poverty by immigration and outsourcing cannot afford very much at all!!!

  • wigglwagon

    The cheap labor lobby will say and do anything to keep from losing their slave like labor. No matter how much they whine and cry, PRICES ARE NOT DETERMINED BY THE COST OF PRODUCTION. Prices are determined by what customers can afford to pay.

    Customers who have been forced into unemployment and poverty by immigration and outsourcing cannot afford very much at all!!!

  • jmfay

    The same Catholics dont care one bit that there are alot of poor people greatly effected by importing of millions of people to do work they could be doing. These same Catholics have seen an increase in the numbers if people going to food banks; needing assistance; etc and done nothing to help.

    We had a pastor at a regular meeting of our local lawmakers touting the changes in our Congressman that we both have. He was so happy to hear that he had changed his tune 180 degrees due to his district changing. This pastor is in a church where there is alot of poor people too like where we live yet he doesnt have a problem with millions more people competing for the same jobs? Not sure why he doesnt understand supply and demand of labour but he doesnt get it. Thats one reason we left the Church almost 30 years ago. Too many hypocrites.

  • jmfay

    The same Catholics dont care one bit that there are alot of poor people greatly effected by importing of millions of people to do work they could be doing. These same Catholics have seen an increase in the numbers if people going to food banks; needing assistance; etc and done nothing to help.

    We had a pastor at a regular meeting of our local lawmakers touting the changes in our Congressman that we both have. He was so happy to hear that he had changed his tune 180 degrees due to his district changing. This pastor is in a church where there is alot of poor people too like where we live yet he doesnt have a problem with millions more people competing for the same jobs? Not sure why he doesnt understand supply and demand of labour but he doesnt get it. Thats one reason we left the Church almost 30 years ago. Too many hypocrites.

  • jmfay

    We heard in TX; due to the numbers of illegals in the construction industry; that wages are very depressed. Work comp injuries are the norm with the hospitals flooded by them. They also have alot of wage theft.

  • jmfay

    We heard in TX; due to the numbers of illegals in the construction industry; that wages are very depressed. Work comp injuries are the norm with the hospitals flooded by them. They also have alot of wage theft.

  • Gray Liddell

    The Gini coefficient a measure of income disparity has increased in the US from .35 to .47 since the mid 80s.
    Coincidentally that was when we ‘reformed’ immigration the last time and granted FREE Citizenship to 2.7 million illegal aliens. So now we are talking 11 million moreand, at this rate, in 27 years, in 2040, we will be talking about 40 million more parishioners for Sister Mary here.
    But the main point is this:the newscommenters and opinion makers have repealed the Law of Supply and Demand when it comes to Labor. As one commenter here said, a greater supply of Labor(more Immigrants) drives down the Demand(Wages) for everyone, including Americans and that is why there is more income disparity in our country which is now like Brazil and China in terms of very rich and working poor.

  • Gray Liddell

    The Gini coefficient a measure of income disparity has increased in the US from .35 to .47 since the mid 80s.
    Coincidentally that was when we ‘reformed’ immigration the last time and granted FREE Citizenship to 2.7 million illegal aliens. So now we are talking 11 million moreand, at this rate, in 27 years, in 2040, we will be talking about 40 million more parishioners for Sister Mary here.
    But the main point is this:the newscommenters and opinion makers have repealed the Law of Supply and Demand when it comes to Labor. As one commenter here said, a greater supply of Labor(more Immigrants) drives down the Demand(Wages) for everyone, including Americans and that is why there is more income disparity in our country which is now like Brazil and China in terms of very rich and working poor.

  • joelwisch2

    The church clearly doesn’t understand the illegal aliens are illegally in this country. They come here, and when they do, they create exactly the circumstances the Church is whining about. We don’t need it. Many of us suspect very strongly that the Church has actually facilitated the arrival of illegal aliens while providing sanctuary to those illegal aliens. I am specifically suggesting the Church is a criminal facilitator and executor of the population of illegal aliens, and did that very thing to increase the membership of the Catholic Church as well as the evangelical churches that are participating in this huge law breaking session.

    Further.. make me the President and I would be doing all I could to make the Catholic Church as well as the evangelical churches, political lobby groups subject to taxes. I would then pursue a course that would enable the Federal Government to sue those churches that did involve themselves in this criminal effort.

    My opinion of both the Catholic Church and the Evangelicals in this effort has fallen to seeing both groups as little more than enemies of the people of the United States. As the dictates of the Federal Government continue to mount, so I would start the dictates that would rid us of religious groups that cannot keep their noses out of the political processes.

  • joelwisch2

    The church clearly doesn’t understand the illegal aliens are illegally in this country. They come here, and when they do, they create exactly the circumstances the Church is whining about. We don’t need it. Many of us suspect very strongly that the Church has actually facilitated the arrival of illegal aliens while providing sanctuary to those illegal aliens. I am specifically suggesting the Church is a criminal facilitator and executor of the population of illegal aliens, and did that very thing to increase the membership of the Catholic Church as well as the evangelical churches that are participating in this huge law breaking session.

    Further.. make me the President and I would be doing all I could to make the Catholic Church as well as the evangelical churches, political lobby groups subject to taxes. I would then pursue a course that would enable the Federal Government to sue those churches that did involve themselves in this criminal effort.

    My opinion of both the Catholic Church and the Evangelicals in this effort has fallen to seeing both groups as little more than enemies of the people of the United States. As the dictates of the Federal Government continue to mount, so I would start the dictates that would rid us of religious groups that cannot keep their noses out of the political processes.

  • joelwisch2

    The Catholic Church and the Evangelical Churhes totally understand the supply and demand of labor. But they want that money the new Membership seeking sanctuary will bring. I did not realize it, but the sanctuary is being supported with money by the groups trying to open our borders.

    I think some of the Senate, and some of the Congress, are actively supporting that very process.

  • joelwisch2

    The Catholic Church and the Evangelical Churhes totally understand the supply and demand of labor. But they want that money the new Membership seeking sanctuary will bring. I did not realize it, but the sanctuary is being supported with money by the groups trying to open our borders.

    I think some of the Senate, and some of the Congress, are actively supporting that very process.

  • joelwisch2

    Nothing is stopping those 20 million Americans from going out to the parking lots and competing with those illegal aliens for the day jobs they now hold. Most employers would prefer to hire people whose native language is English, if only they would work for the same wages and put up with the same conditions that the illegals do. Since when did being born here entitle you to a job?
    ===============================
    Since when is any employer allowed to smash and destroy any and all labor laws? Since when is any employer allowed to just go out and break the laws of the land on this issue. Both Bush and Obama are allowing this to happen, and it is a CRIMINAL event.

  • joelwisch2

    Nothing is stopping those 20 million Americans from going out to the parking lots and competing with those illegal aliens for the day jobs they now hold. Most employers would prefer to hire people whose native language is English, if only they would work for the same wages and put up with the same conditions that the illegals do. Since when did being born here entitle you to a job?
    ===============================
    Since when is any employer allowed to smash and destroy any and all labor laws? Since when is any employer allowed to just go out and break the laws of the land on this issue. Both Bush and Obama are allowing this to happen, and it is a CRIMINAL event.

  • ander35

    What about the people here who arev poor and have no job? Do they not deserve compassion?

  • ander35

    What about the people here who arev poor and have no job? Do they not deserve compassion?

  • Mahesh Lele

    LOL, the Catholic Church is just looking for more people to drop money into their collection boxes to support all their pedo priests.

    Though I’m making it clear I have great faith in God, I’m glad I left the church years ago.

  • Mahesh Lele

    LOL, the Catholic Church is just looking for more people to drop money into their collection boxes to support all their pedo priests.

    Though I’m making it clear I have great faith in God, I’m glad I left the church years ago.

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Top 10 Reasons We’re Glad A Catholic Colbert Is Taking Over Letterman’s “Late Show”

How might we love Stephen Colbert as the “Late Show” host? Let us count the ways.

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God’s Not Dead? Why the Good News Is Better than That

The resurrection of Jesus is not a matter of private faith — it’s a proclamation for the whole world.

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An Untold Story of Bondage to Freedom: Passover 1943

How a foxhole that led to a 77-mile cave system saved the lives of 38 Ukrainian Jews during the Holocaust.

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Friend or Foe? Learning from Judas About Friendship with Jesus

We call Judas a betrayer. Jesus called him “friend.”

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Fundamentalist Arguments Against Fundamentalism

The all-or-nothing approach to the Bible used by skeptics and fundamentalists alike is flawed.

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Mary Magdalene, the Closest Friend of Jesus

She’s been ignored, dismissed, and misunderstood. But the story of Easter makes it clear that Mary was Jesus’ most faithful friend.

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The Three Most Surprising Things Jesus Said

Think you know Jesus? Some of his sayings may surprise you.

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How to Debate Christians: Five Ways to Behave and Ten Questions to Answer

Advice for atheists taking on Christian critics.

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Heaven Hits the Big Screen

How “Heaven is for Real” went from being an unsellable idea to a bestselling book and the inspiration for a Hollywood movie.

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This God’s For You: Jesus and the Good News of Beer

How Jesus partied with a purpose.

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Jesus, Bunnies, and Colored Eggs: An Explanation of Holy Week and Easter

So, Easter is a one-day celebration of Jesus rising from the dead and turning into a bunny, right? Not exactly.

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Dear Evangelicals, Please Reconsider Your Fight Against Gay Rights

A journalist and longtime observer of American religious culture offers some advice to his evangelical friends.