Chris Matthews shows us how to talk about race

We can’t bring Trayvon Martin back from the dead. But those of us who are white can begin to have these conversations with people of color about what life is like in “colored” America.

Is anyone noticing the remarkable journey Chris Matthews (host of MSNBC’s Hardball) is on?  Now, I’ve never met Chris Matthews, although I would like to, especially as he takes a journey in the wake of the aftermath of the Trayvon Martin death and George Zimmerman trial. I write this not to embarrass him, but to honor him.

On Thursday evening, July 18, right before our very eyes, we witness a transformation about race going on in the mind and heart of an already-liberal, racially-accepting human being. Throughout this evening’s edition of Hardball, Matthews appears genuinely disturbed.  In an effort to better understand what happened to Trayvon Martin and why, he interviews Val Nicholas (Vice President of NBC News) and Michael Steele (former chair of the Republican National Committee), both African-American professionals.  He can’t believe what he’s hearing.  He struggles to listen to their truth about what it’s like to grow up and live as a black man in America.

Nicholas describes finding himself twice staring down the barrel of a gun pointed at him by police – having no reason for suspicion and confrontation other than the black color of his skin.  Mr. Steele nods knowingly, and then offers his own experiences of being targeted because of his race alone.  They both laugh about the “five block follow” in which a police cruiser follows them in their cars for five or so blocks, just because the color of their skin makes them suspicious.  Matthews listens in stunned disbelief, knowing that he has never had such experiences, and the discomfort in his face worsens as he tastes his own white privilege.

White privilege is the new (actually not new at all!) reality of prejudice in this country.  (See Peggy McIntosh’s classic discussion of white privilege written 25 years ago.)  Modern racism seldom involves using the “n word” or obvious prejudice anymore.  It is the systemic racism that is set up by the society to benefit white people at the expense of people of color. I remember being told in anti-racism training 20+ years ago that “getting white people to understand white privilege is like getting fish to understand the concept of water.”  It’s simply the water that we swim in, buoys us up, and sustains us at the expense of those who don’t reap the benefits of being white – and it’s hard for white people to get far enough away from it to actually see it.  Like going into a retail store and not expecting to be followed, like driving our cars and not assuming we will be targeted by state police, like being stopped by the police and feeling like we have every right to argue with them.  Most black and brown people don’t feel that way.

And in the wake of the Zimmerman trial verdict, we have heard many black men (including the Attorney General of the United States) recounting about how, when they were young, their fathers had conversations with them about how to navigate such pervasive racial bias, and how these black men, now fathers themselves, are having these same conversations with their sons.  Recalling the warnings from his dad, Nicholas recounts that his father told him that arguing with police will land him in jail, the hospital, or the morgue – not because of what he has or has not done, but because of the color of his skin.  Steele adds that it’s not “if” they get stopped, but “when.”

This is not news to black men.  But it is news to those of us who are white in this society and have never known such systemic racism.  And what is remarkable, as Chris Matthews tries to absorb this subtle and endemic racism from which he unwittingly benefits, is his willingness to allow us, the viewers, to witness the dawning of knowledge and the change that is going on in his consciousness and understanding.

Matthews’ public journey is modeling for white America how we can all learn from the tragedy of Trayvon Martin’s death.  Look at what he’s doing, and see in it a way forward for greater racial understanding in this country:  1. He is willing to talk about race, to talk openly about what he knows (and what he does NOT know) about how race works in America. 2.  He asks questions of people of color who do know about the experience of racism (without being embarrassed by his need to ask) – and then he listens to them and believes their truth, shaking his head in acknowledgement of the fact that all of this has been going on under his own white radar screen.  3.  He begins to make connections and analyze situations he once thought he understood.  4.  And then, seemingly coming to the end of what he can absorb, he vulnerably and almost naively, mutters “All I can say right now is, I am so sorry.”  5.  And then he says, in a way that makes you think he means it, “We have to keep talking about this, publicly and on TV.  I want to have those conversations.”

Chris Matthews has modeled for us the way to bring redemption and healing from the disease and sin of racism highlighted by the Trayvon Martin killing.  We can’t bring Trayvon back from the dead.  But those of us who are white can begin to have these conversations with people of color about what life is like in “colored” America.  And it is profoundly relevant as we consider immigration reform, limits on voter rights, and relentless attempts to balance our budgets on the backs of the most vulnerable – all of which have subtexts of systemic racism.

We don’t often think of political pundits as leading the way in moral behavior.  But Chris Matthews, in his vulnerable act of allowing us to witness his own personal journey, is doing just that.  It’s a journey toward a more just America.  It’s a journey I want to be on with him.  Don’t you?

[Watch this segment of Hardball]

Image courtesy of Brian Stansberry.

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  • Gonzo the Great

    Chris, you ever ask any of the Blacks you hired and pay to work for you in your organization how THEY like how YOU treat them?

    Oh, wait. you can’t since YOU NEVER HIRED ANY BLACK PERSON TO WORK FOR YOU!

    Hypocrite!

  • Gonzo the Great

    Chris, you ever ask any of the Blacks you hired and pay to work for you in your organization how THEY like how YOU treat them?

    Oh, wait. you can’t since YOU NEVER HIRED ANY BLACK PERSON TO WORK FOR YOU!

    Hypocrite!

  • Lisashap

    What a great perspective. We all need to be a part of this conversation. As a teacher, I occasionally talk with students about these kinds of experiences. It breaks my heart to hear them. As white people, we must acknowledge the subtle forms of racism that lie inside us. Most of us think about racism in the way it happened in the 1960’s and before. It is true that that form does not exist today. What we have today is below the surface but just as damaging in different ways. I cannot imagine having to explain to my teenage son that he must fear death from the police or other wanna be police. Let’s keep this conversation going for the good of our country.

  • Lisashap

    What a great perspective. We all need to be a part of this conversation. As a teacher, I occasionally talk with students about these kinds of experiences. It breaks my heart to hear them. As white people, we must acknowledge the subtle forms of racism that lie inside us. Most of us think about racism in the way it happened in the 1960’s and before. It is true that that form does not exist today. What we have today is below the surface but just as damaging in different ways. I cannot imagine having to explain to my teenage son that he must fear death from the police or other wanna be police. Let’s keep this conversation going for the good of our country.

  • Lisashap

    You are really missing the point here. This article is about Mathew’s awakening to the experience of black men. He may have unconsciously been biased in hiring. Now he may be able to see the bias that he did not recognize he had. That is the point of these conversations. We learn about ourselves and our mistakes. Let’s hope he continues to look within.

  • Lisashap

    You are really missing the point here. This article is about Mathew’s awakening to the experience of black men. He may have unconsciously been biased in hiring. Now he may be able to see the bias that he did not recognize he had. That is the point of these conversations. We learn about ourselves and our mistakes. Let’s hope he continues to look within.

  • Gonzo the Great

    Lisashap, that is patently impossible unless he becomes a Black man for an extended period of time. Even if he did, so what?

    There are more minorities in this Nation than merely the Blacks and so far I have not seen them spend an instant trying to understand what it means to be Brown, Red, Yellow OR White! Until they seriously try to ‘understand’ what it was like for me and mine, Hispanics, I will not be spending any time worrying about them.

    White guilt is for Whites, I as a Hispanic refuse to let it touch me.

    As for Chris? I do not know if he is married or not but with this open, international scale bromance he has had going on over the president since he reported his leg ‘tingled’ at the sight of him his spouse, if he has one, should be able to sue the prezz for alienation of affection.

    Was not a real fan of Chris prior to his entering this closet of his but now I do not even see the kid anymore.

  • Gonzo the Great

    Lisashap, that is patently impossible unless he becomes a Black man for an extended period of time. Even if he did, so what?

    There are more minorities in this Nation than merely the Blacks and so far I have not seen them spend an instant trying to understand what it means to be Brown, Red, Yellow OR White! Until they seriously try to ‘understand’ what it was like for me and mine, Hispanics, I will not be spending any time worrying about them.

    White guilt is for Whites, I as a Hispanic refuse to let it touch me.

    As for Chris? I do not know if he is married or not but with this open, international scale bromance he has had going on over the president since he reported his leg ‘tingled’ at the sight of him his spouse, if he has one, should be able to sue the prezz for alienation of affection.

    Was not a real fan of Chris prior to his entering this closet of his but now I do not even see the kid anymore.

  • alltheroadrunnin

    Chris Matthews is just now learning about black people’s experience? And he’s been a national media reporter, for how long? He grew up in the USA? Under a bushel basket? He might be pretty embarrassed, if and when he reads this article, and thinks about it.

  • alltheroadrunnin

    Chris Matthews is just now learning about black people’s experience? And he’s been a national media reporter, for how long? He grew up in the USA? Under a bushel basket? He might be pretty embarrassed, if and when he reads this article, and thinks about it.

  • retdetvet1

    Well Gene, there is a reason you haven’t met Matthews. He works for MSNBC. Very few people have met him. He came to “prominence” with the Carter administration and gone downhill since. You may be able to visit with him when he is finally confined for treatment of a “nervous breakdown”. Write us an article about it.

  • retdetvet1

    Well Gene, there is a reason you haven’t met Matthews. He works for MSNBC. Very few people have met him. He came to “prominence” with the Carter administration and gone downhill since. You may be able to visit with him when he is finally confined for treatment of a “nervous breakdown”. Write us an article about it.

  • stvcar

    Umm, or perhaps it is because when there is a crime, who seems to be the person or persons who caused it. I am surprised that the bait car show hasn’t been hounded off the tube by the NAACP, for the showcasing of the car thief talent in this country. I am with Juan Wiliams, I get less nervous when I get on a plane when my seatmate is Chinese than someone that appears to be Arabic. Maybe because the former has not be highjacking planes or blowing up themselves in front of schools.

  • stvcar

    Umm, or perhaps it is because when there is a crime, who seems to be the person or persons who caused it. I am surprised that the bait car show hasn’t been hounded off the tube by the NAACP, for the showcasing of the car thief talent in this country. I am with Juan Wiliams, I get less nervous when I get on a plane when my seatmate is Chinese than someone that appears to be Arabic. Maybe because the former has not be highjacking planes or blowing up themselves in front of schools.

  • Tracystan

    How much was the Washington Post paid to write this article. Are you all in bed together? I swear the media has lost its mind. The majority know we are not racist. The media is racist. The media also hates America and Christians. The media wants to feminize our men and portray our women as tough enough to take a man’s punch (Hollywood) and then make money off her death from the punch. The media wants us to feel ashamed that we live in air conditioned homes and drive cars yet their gurus like Chris Matthews drive around in limos and fly in private jets. They have 5x the carbon footprint then the rest of us. Now this hypocrite wants to apologize for the most fair and uplifting country in the history of the world. White people gave blacks all their rights, we died for it. I myself am so sick of the racism of blacks towards whites and of the media toward decency. Boycott ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN they are all traitors to our country and are working hard to destroy common decency and morality.

  • Tracystan

    How much was the Washington Post paid to write this article. Are you all in bed together? I swear the media has lost its mind. The majority know we are not racist. The media is racist. The media also hates America and Christians. The media wants to feminize our men and portray our women as tough enough to take a man’s punch (Hollywood) and then make money off her death from the punch. The media wants us to feel ashamed that we live in air conditioned homes and drive cars yet their gurus like Chris Matthews drive around in limos and fly in private jets. They have 5x the carbon footprint then the rest of us. Now this hypocrite wants to apologize for the most fair and uplifting country in the history of the world. White people gave blacks all their rights, we died for it. I myself am so sick of the racism of blacks towards whites and of the media toward decency. Boycott ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN they are all traitors to our country and are working hard to destroy common decency and morality.

  • mick719

    who are you to impose your morals on the rest of us? and I notice you don’t say boycott Fox. yeesh…..

  • mick719

    who are you to impose your morals on the rest of us? and I notice you don’t say boycott Fox. yeesh…..

  • Gonzo the Great

    micky719, let me guess, YOU not only boycott FOX but you are a leading light of the lynch mob DEMANDING everyone else hate and do as you do.

    Go on admit your bigotry out loud, admit no matter WHAT is reported on FOX you will automatically and unthinkingly be dead set against it. You will feel better after you and and it is the first step to recovery.

  • Gonzo the Great

    micky719, let me guess, YOU not only boycott FOX but you are a leading light of the lynch mob DEMANDING everyone else hate and do as you do.

    Go on admit your bigotry out loud, admit no matter WHAT is reported on FOX you will automatically and unthinkingly be dead set against it. You will feel better after you and and it is the first step to recovery.

  • flambeau608

    I am not surprised by the number of people who are so self-righteously sure that they are not part of the problem. Self knowledge is incredibly hard to come by. It only comes by seriously questioning your own beliefs to see if they could/should be modified. Only fools and fanatics are absolutely sure they’re right. The wise are blessed with the ability to have doubts. I am willing to believe that Matthews actually learned something during his discussion. On the other hand, I am also willing to believe that many previous comments come from those who are incapable of learning.

  • flambeau608

    I am not surprised by the number of people who are so self-righteously sure that they are not part of the problem. Self knowledge is incredibly hard to come by. It only comes by seriously questioning your own beliefs to see if they could/should be modified. Only fools and fanatics are absolutely sure they’re right. The wise are blessed with the ability to have doubts. I am willing to believe that Matthews actually learned something during his discussion. On the other hand, I am also willing to believe that many previous comments come from those who are incapable of learning.

  • peter_cincy

    A good story, except for the writer’s offensive reference to “white privilege.” No one should have to feel guilty for not being unduly harassed by the police – that’s a standard expectation in a free society. The guilt the writer is peddling is just sanctimonious political correctness.

    If someone is “privileged” in that way, then all should be, and we can work to make the system fairer. I believe that is the more accurate, less slanted moral of the story.

  • peter_cincy

    A good story, except for the writer’s offensive reference to “white privilege.” No one should have to feel guilty for not being unduly harassed by the police – that’s a standard expectation in a free society. The guilt the writer is peddling is just sanctimonious political correctness.

    If someone is “privileged” in that way, then all should be, and we can work to make the system fairer. I believe that is the more accurate, less slanted moral of the story.

  • Alea Iacta Est

    This is such an enlightening article, it really opens my eyes to the ugliness of the white male patriarchy. Whites have committed so many crimes over the last few hundred years and the Trayvon Martin fiasco is just another example to add to that long list. White people need to wake up to the ingrained oppressiveness and intolerance of their culture and make a real effort to change things. I am proud of Chris Matthews for keeping an open mind and recognizing his white privilege, as I myself have done (however he ALSO needs to start talking about his cis straight male privilege as well!). Honestly though, I am starting to feel disgusted with being cis and white. The guilt that I have to suffer through day to day from knowing how privileged I am is becoming unbearable and I am considering identifying as transblack so I don’t have to be part of this horrible race anymore.

  • Alea Iacta Est

    This is such an enlightening article, it really opens my eyes to the ugliness of the white male patriarchy. Whites have committed so many crimes over the last few hundred years and the Trayvon Martin fiasco is just another example to add to that long list. White people need to wake up to the ingrained oppressiveness and intolerance of their culture and make a real effort to change things. I am proud of Chris Matthews for keeping an open mind and recognizing his white privilege, as I myself have done (however he ALSO needs to start talking about his cis straight male privilege as well!). Honestly though, I am starting to feel disgusted with being cis and white. The guilt that I have to suffer through day to day from knowing how privileged I am is becoming unbearable and I am considering identifying as transblack so I don’t have to be part of this horrible race anymore.

  • Jhana Ji’an

    Absolutely, the only way we can atone for our sin of being the beneficiaries of all this systemic white racism is to buy hook-line-and sinker into the entire leftist agenda. But hey, Mr Robinson, you forgot to mention a couple (at least) of other things — you forgot to bring up the matters of the ‘stand your ground’ law and our constitutional right to bear arms. Doesn’t our collective guilt as the privileged white class require us to humbly do away with these laws as well?

  • Jhana Ji’an

    Absolutely, the only way we can atone for our sin of being the beneficiaries of all this systemic white racism is to buy hook-line-and sinker into the entire leftist agenda. But hey, Mr Robinson, you forgot to mention a couple (at least) of other things — you forgot to bring up the matters of the ‘stand your ground’ law and our constitutional right to bear arms. Doesn’t our collective guilt as the privileged white class require us to humbly do away with these laws as well?

  • jarandeh

    “White people gave blacks all their rights, we died for it. ”

    I recommend you read a book on the Civil War. Perhaps then you’d know about the >100,000 black men who volunteered and fought for the Union.

    I wonder, would that knowledge be compatible with your current opinion of African Americans?

  • jarandeh

    “White people gave blacks all their rights, we died for it. ”

    I recommend you read a book on the Civil War. Perhaps then you’d know about the >100,000 black men who volunteered and fought for the Union.

    I wonder, would that knowledge be compatible with your current opinion of African Americans?

  • jarandeh

    ” . . .I will not be spending any time worrying about them. ”

    And thus, you have defined ‘close-minded’.

  • jarandeh

    ” . . .I will not be spending any time worrying about them. ”

    And thus, you have defined ‘close-minded’.

  • jarandeh

    A nuanced article about what it means to listen and consider another person’s experience and perception . . .

    And the comments section turns into Stormfront.

  • jarandeh

    A nuanced article about what it means to listen and consider another person’s experience and perception . . .

    And the comments section turns into Stormfront.

  • jarandeh

    Have you spoken to many African American men about this issue?

    Are they capable of having an opinion or impression?

    Or are they just ‘useful idiots’?

  • jarandeh

    Have you spoken to many African American men about this issue?

    Are they capable of having an opinion or impression?

    Or are they just ‘useful idiots’?

  • Lalande21185

    Those who comment here in denial of pervasive racism still being alive today in our otherwise beautiful country have their heads in the sand. Example: not that long ago, I was travelling on business with an African-American colleague, a mid-ranking manager in a high-tech enterprise and retired Army Chief Warrant Officer. We stopped at a restaurant (which I will not name) and sat near the bar. We were the only customers in the place. We asked the bartender if he would please change the channel on the TV from some basketball game we had no interest in to CNN, so we could catch up on the news. He responded that “people want to watch the game”. When it was pointed out that we were the only customers, he (in some confusion) asked the manager what he should do. The manager said, “What’s the problem here?” and the bartender answered, “The n—-r wants to watch the J-w network.” I wanted to leave the establishment immediately, but my colleague told me to stay where I was, that he got this sort of treatment all the time and there was nothing unusual about it, and besides we had already ordered and were both starving. I was flabbergasted at his calm and dignified acceptance of such an outrage, and ashamed that such things could still happen.

  • Lalande21185

    Those who comment here in denial of pervasive racism still being alive today in our otherwise beautiful country have their heads in the sand. Example: not that long ago, I was travelling on business with an African-American colleague, a mid-ranking manager in a high-tech enterprise and retired Army Chief Warrant Officer. We stopped at a restaurant (which I will not name) and sat near the bar. We were the only customers in the place. We asked the bartender if he would please change the channel on the TV from some basketball game we had no interest in to CNN, so we could catch up on the news. He responded that “people want to watch the game”. When it was pointed out that we were the only customers, he (in some confusion) asked the manager what he should do. The manager said, “What’s the problem here?” and the bartender answered, “The n—-r wants to watch the J-w network.” I wanted to leave the establishment immediately, but my colleague told me to stay where I was, that he got this sort of treatment all the time and there was nothing unusual about it, and besides we had already ordered and were both starving. I was flabbergasted at his calm and dignified acceptance of such an outrage, and ashamed that such things could still happen.

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    Dan Hughey and Tobit all the rest of you rednecks you are all a great piece of works. Hey Dan, BTW i have been paying for your lazy half witted white farmers in North Carolina (growing tobacco) and through out the midwest. Farmers who cannot figure out what to grow that is profitable. And I pay them through the farm bills for last 37 years too. When I read such imbecilic nonsense, it makes my blood boil. Come to think of it, I should narrate an incident of which I participated in. Earlier last week I was travelling, and in the breakfast lounge at the hotel three crimson necks like you were going on and on about the case. I bit my tongue and minded my own business. On the TV they mentioned about Nike’s sweatshirt fiasco. Nike was supposedly promoting something about North Carolina and it turned out the swat shirts had the map of South Carolina. One of these apostles of tolerance opined that it must be because some dumb Indian or Chinese firm did not know the difference between North & South Carolina, and was carrying on and on. That was the proverbial last straw to me. So I opined that there wasn’t much difference betweeen the two. Then on f the chagrined one challenged me why I thought there was no difference between teh two. I replied that the fact that these two states elected Sorm Thurmond & Jesse Helms *the two renowned bigots, were returned election after election means both of them were CRIMSON NECK (read Red for Crimson) states, They were taken aback. The first genius proudly announced that he was from Georgia and does not find my characterization of the the carolinas funny at all. So I responded thusly “need I say More?” and followed it with a jab at Newt Gingrich as that cheating-three-timer-who-wants-us-to-believe-he-would-not-cheat-on-his-promiscuous-third-wife-because-he-is-too-old-to-get-a-stiffy. They were all hot and huffy, and claimed those were fighting words and so on

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    Dan Hughey and Tobit all the rest of you rednecks you are all a great piece of works. Hey Dan, BTW i have been paying for your lazy half witted white farmers in North Carolina (growing tobacco) and through out the midwest. Farmers who cannot figure out what to grow that is profitable. And I pay them through the farm bills for last 37 years too. When I read such imbecilic nonsense, it makes my blood boil. Come to think of it, I should narrate an incident of which I participated in. Earlier last week I was travelling, and in the breakfast lounge at the hotel three crimson necks like you were going on and on about the case. I bit my tongue and minded my own business. On the TV they mentioned about Nike’s sweatshirt fiasco. Nike was supposedly promoting something about North Carolina and it turned out the swat shirts had the map of South Carolina. One of these apostles of tolerance opined that it must be because some dumb Indian or Chinese firm did not know the difference between North & South Carolina, and was carrying on and on. That was the proverbial last straw to me. So I opined that there wasn’t much difference betweeen the two. Then on f the chagrined one challenged me why I thought there was no difference between teh two. I replied that the fact that these two states elected Sorm Thurmond & Jesse Helms *the two renowned bigots, were returned election after election means both of them were CRIMSON NECK (read Red for Crimson) states, They were taken aback. The first genius proudly announced that he was from Georgia and does not find my characterization of the the carolinas funny at all. So I responded thusly “need I say More?” and followed it with a jab at Newt Gingrich as that cheating-three-timer-who-wants-us-to-believe-he-would-not-cheat-on-his-promiscuous-third-wife-because-he-is-too-old-to-get-a-stiffy. They were all hot and huffy, and claimed those were fighting words and so on

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    Continuing on –

    I replied to them it was all a joke no need to get too RED under the collar. And added in my best brother from the hood accent, “Come on Bro, I am also from one of those CRIMSON Necked state, which has been electing (not one but two) village idiots for the past 5 election cycles, the GREAT STATE OF TEXAS. We can’t always choose where we hail from. I never thought, place you are coming from should be a reflection on you.”

    All of them were flabbergasted and not a peep came out of their mouths, for the rest of teh time I was in. When I told my family, they were all on my case for needlessly rankling them and wondered what was my calculus. I told my wife and daughter was “to alter those bigots calculus that they should realize, that when they put words to their thoughts they will be so humiliated, that they regret waking up that day, at least.”

    In this 21st century America, all the people who still have the pre-1950s mindset will only find place under some slimy rock in the public square. We have on this forum like of SinVA, who still cannot stomach the fact that we have a black president. Who in his own exaggerated opinion thinks, our beloved president is not qualified. As if his beloved president the village idiot from my state was, on whom the best of teh prepschool, yale and harvard educattion was wasted. Then he wants us to take him seriously and that he is making a contribution to teh national conversation. He just ought to accept that BARACK HUSSEIN OBAM got more votes than the two nincompoops his party has put up, whether he think we are all stupid or not. We the majority have elected him , not once but twice. He better shut up and accept the fact that HUSSEIN is the PRESIDENT of these UNITED STATES of AMERICA and it will be like that through 20th January 2021. And I have new for him, starting 20th of January 2021 till 20th of January 2029 Hillary RODHAM Clinton will be the president. If he doesn’t like it, he can go to Honduras.

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    I replied to them it was all a joke no need to get too RED under the collar. And added in my best brother from the hood accent, “Come on Bro, I am also from one of those CRIMSON Necked state, which has been electing (not one but two) village idiots for the past 5 election cycles, the GREAT STATE OF TEXAS. We can’t always choose where we hail from. I never thought, place you are coming from should be a reflection on you.”

    All of them were flabbergasted and not a peep came out of their mouths, for the rest of teh time I was in. When I told my family, they were all on my case for needlessly rankling them and wondered what was my calculus. I told my wife and daughter was “to alter those bigots calculus that they should realize, that when they put words to their thoughts they will be so humiliated, that they regret waking up that day, at least.”

    In this 21st century America, all the people who still have the pre-1950s mindset will only find place under some slimy rock in the public square. We have on this forum like of SinVA, who still cannot stomach the fact that we have a black president. Who in his own exaggerated opinion thinks, our beloved president is not qualified. As if his beloved president the village idiot from my state was, on whom the best of teh prepschool, yale and harvard educattion was wasted. Then he wants us to take him seriously and that he is making a contribution to teh national conversation. He just ought to accept that BARACK HUSSEIN OBAM got more votes than the two nincompoops his party has put up, whether he think we are all stupid or not. We the majority have elected him , not once but twice. He better shut up and accept the fact that HUSSEIN is the PRESIDENT of these UNITED STATES of AMERICA and it will be like that through 20th January 2021. And I have new for him, starting 20th of January 2021 till 20th of January 2029 Hillary RODHAM Clinton will be the president. If he doesn’t like it, he can go to Honduras.

  • Secular1

    “It is Leftist “intellects” such as yourself who pontificate on the morality of Marxist philosophy, thinking the government (read intelligensia) can run our lives better than we can. ” Where, from do you surmise that I am a Marxist, far from it.

    “As I said below, bigotry and racism are not limited to white men.” But of course duh!, who ever said that, don’t put words into my mouth. If it were so we would not have made as much progress as we made. There were plenty of whites through out our history in these United States who bled for equality. Without them we would not have made the progress we did. As of today i would say there are more whites who are not bigoted than the racists and bigots, by a wide margine. That is what the PREZ was talking about, when he said the younger ones of his daughter’s age were far better than his generation and better than his generation was at their age. This is the canard your ilk throws out to see what sticks. Unfortunately there enough these sophisticated bigoted racists with the reins of power in their hands. We the so called Leftist Intelligentsia will continue to rail against. Like those three buddies of yours in the hotel, I encountered last week.

    “Your bigotry against Conservatives is as virulent as any racism expressed today.” So showing a bunch of bigoted racists, in their true colors, is what you can throw at me as bigotry. You have wake way early in the morning to make any inroads. Another canard your ilk, spread is intolerance towards bigotry is in of itself termed as bigotry. As if only way to change you is for the oppressed to offer up the other cheek, like, MLK and Gandhi. Not that they were revered during their lifetimes by your ilk, but posthumously when it has become hurtingly difficult to say a bad word about them, that your ilk are even giving a lip service to them.

    “The only president I hold as beloved is Ronald Reagan”, why doesn’t that surprise me, that he would be yours – that congenial bigot.

  • Secular1

    “It is Leftist “intellects” such as yourself who pontificate on the morality of Marxist philosophy, thinking the government (read intelligensia) can run our lives better than we can. ” Where, from do you surmise that I am a Marxist, far from it.

    “As I said below, bigotry and racism are not limited to white men.” But of course duh!, who ever said that, don’t put words into my mouth. If it were so we would not have made as much progress as we made. There were plenty of whites through out our history in these United States who bled for equality. Without them we would not have made the progress we did. As of today i would say there are more whites who are not bigoted than the racists and bigots, by a wide margine. That is what the PREZ was talking about, when he said the younger ones of his daughter’s age were far better than his generation and better than his generation was at their age. This is the canard your ilk throws out to see what sticks. Unfortunately there enough these sophisticated bigoted racists with the reins of power in their hands. We the so called Leftist Intelligentsia will continue to rail against. Like those three buddies of yours in the hotel, I encountered last week.

    “Your bigotry against Conservatives is as virulent as any racism expressed today.” So showing a bunch of bigoted racists, in their true colors, is what you can throw at me as bigotry. You have wake way early in the morning to make any inroads. Another canard your ilk, spread is intolerance towards bigotry is in of itself termed as bigotry. As if only way to change you is for the oppressed to offer up the other cheek, like, MLK and Gandhi. Not that they were revered during their lifetimes by your ilk, but posthumously when it has become hurtingly difficult to say a bad word about them, that your ilk are even giving a lip service to them.

    “The only president I hold as beloved is Ronald Reagan”, why doesn’t that surprise me, that he would be yours – that congenial bigot.

  • jarandeh

    Scott-

    Disagreeing with ideology is not bigotry. Therefore, one cannot be bigoted against Conservatives, Liberals, Capitalists, Utilitarians, etc.

    Words have meaning. What you are doing is projection.

    And Reagan? He of the ‘welfare queens’ and the announcement of his candidacy in Philadelphia, MS?

    I appreciate your contributions, as they remind us all that there are indeed un-reconstructed white American evangelical hypocrites whose smug ideology is held together only by the glue of tribalism, resentment, fear, and antipathy.

  • jarandeh

    Scott-

    Disagreeing with ideology is not bigotry. Therefore, one cannot be bigoted against Conservatives, Liberals, Capitalists, Utilitarians, etc.

    Words have meaning. What you are doing is projection.

    And Reagan? He of the ‘welfare queens’ and the announcement of his candidacy in Philadelphia, MS?

    I appreciate your contributions, as they remind us all that there are indeed un-reconstructed white American evangelical hypocrites whose smug ideology is held together only by the glue of tribalism, resentment, fear, and antipathy.

  • Secular1

    SinVA you are gone case. You are indeed one of those three bigots I was talking about. As our beloved prez put it the next generation is much better than us. He was really talking about your ilk, that you are withering on the vine. You know the import of his statement is? Hear, hear. I will help you out. He was saying that the children of the bigots are not taking the cues from their parents but from the broader inclusive culture, and flushing their parents’ world view, like used toilet paper. I don’t know for sure but what he was saying is children of SinVAs are better than SinVAs.

  • Secular1

    SinVA you are gone case. You are indeed one of those three bigots I was talking about. As our beloved prez put it the next generation is much better than us. He was really talking about your ilk, that you are withering on the vine. You know the import of his statement is? Hear, hear. I will help you out. He was saying that the children of the bigots are not taking the cues from their parents but from the broader inclusive culture, and flushing their parents’ world view, like used toilet paper. I don’t know for sure but what he was saying is children of SinVAs are better than SinVAs.

  • goldcoastjon

    I doubt that Bishop Robinson would disagree with you that we should abolish “stand your ground” laws and other statutes that promote injustice: I certainly want to see them ended because they promote enmity and violence.

  • goldcoastjon

    I doubt that Bishop Robinson would disagree with you that we should abolish “stand your ground” laws and other statutes that promote injustice: I certainly want to see them ended because they promote enmity and violence.

  • DanaB1

    That’s kind of the point of privilege…white people *do* get the privilege of not being unduly harassed by the police and nonwhite people *don’t*. It takes seeing through your white privilege and realizing that that is the case, that you take something for granted that other members of society can’t, before we can start to change things. It’s not about guilt, it’s about realizing and acknowledging that people of different races have different experiences in the world, even those who live right next to you or work in the cubicle next to you, then working together to figure out why that is and what we can do about it.

  • DanaB1

    That’s kind of the point of privilege…white people *do* get the privilege of not being unduly harassed by the police and nonwhite people *don’t*. It takes seeing through your white privilege and realizing that that is the case, that you take something for granted that other members of society can’t, before we can start to change things. It’s not about guilt, it’s about realizing and acknowledging that people of different races have different experiences in the world, even those who live right next to you or work in the cubicle next to you, then working together to figure out why that is and what we can do about it.