Boy Scouts’ ‘compromise’ on gay members is dead wrong

(Eric Gay/AP) At 19, the Boy Scouts of America expelled me for being gay. I was overwhelmed with sadness, grief … Continued

(Eric Gay/AP)

At 19, the Boy Scouts of America expelled me for being gay. I was overwhelmed with sadness, grief and anger. Never before had I come face-to-face with institutional discrimination. A group that once taught me self-respect was now telling me that there is something wrong with who I am.

This week, under the guise of “progress,” the Boy Scouts’ National Council may endorse a compromise that allows gay youth to join the organization but continues to bar gay adults from participation in any way. But this is not progressive at all: it will continue to teach the 2.7 million youth members the same toxic message: being gay means you cannot fully participate in the scouting experience because there is something intrinsically wrong with who you are. A boy can go from celebrated Eagle Scout to immoral persona non grata overnight when he turns 18. This proposal is destructive to the mental well-being of Boy Scouts and may result in lifetime harm.

James Dale, an assistant scoutmaster kicked out of Boy Scouts because he is gay, is flanked by attorneys Evan Wolfson, right, and David Buckel in 1999. (AP)

After my expulsion, a clear line was drawn: gays have no place in Scouting. Challenging a unanimous decision from New Jersey’s highest court, the Scouts appealed to the United States Supreme Court, pleading that homosexuality is incompatible with their values and investing untold millions in the battle. In a divided 5-4 ruling, they were granted a First Amendment shield to protect a distorted view of morality.

That was back in 2000, when American society remained divided on its views of gay people.

Thirteen years later, the U.S. has seen a dramatic shift toward acceptance of equal rights for gays—something even the Scouts’ non-gay members recognize. When polled in the nationwide Voice of Scouting survey, a clear majority of parents under 50 years old now opposed the Scouts’ anti-gay policies. Youth members between the ages of 16 and 18 years old also agreed overwhelmingly, stating the “current policy does not represent a core value of Scouting.”

So whose values are the Boy Scouts of America representing, if not their own?

Only adults in the Scouting community—such as paid executives—cling to outmoded bigotry to exclude gays from their ranks by 61 percent to 34 ercent. Should these voices be held up as the future of Scouting? Or are they the kind of obstinate, outdated autocrats to whom Thomas Jefferson referred when he said We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.”

In reaction to youth membership reduction by 1/4 and staggering financial losses in the 13 years since the Supreme Court decision, Boy Scout leadership cobbled together this convoluted policy that sends a patronizing and damning message to young people: homosexuality is a youthful indiscretion, once you are an adult you must disavow who you are to continue to accepted us.

Many well-intentioned people characterize this new policy as progress; sadly, this it is not the case. What the leadership of the Boy Scouts of America has proposed is a destructive and damaging policy that sends a hurtful message as young adults search for a place in the world.

Would it have been acceptable if the civil rights movement stopped after Brown v. Board of Ed, with newly integrated schools graduating children into a society that remained segregated in every other way? Of course not—which is why the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed 10 years later to outlaw segregation in all other settings.

This showed us that equality cannot be doled out in fits and starts, and we must learn from that history: we cannot accept a half measure from the Boy Scouts of America. A recent ABC/Washington Post national poll demonstrated where the hearts and minds of Americans are: 56 percent said that the new policy of excluding gay adults is wrong. As a nation we have come too far to celebrate an organization and a policy that undermines the integrity and self-respect of our young people.

Until the Boy Scouts of America can support our children for who they are and who they will become, how can we expect anyone to support an organization that will ultimately betray them?

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  • Flipost

    While I don’t like BSA’s policy either.. They are a private organization.

  • Flipost

    While I don’t like BSA’s policy either.. They are a private organization.

  • binaryboy

    A private organization that receives funding from federal and local governments and for which the President serves as the honorary president.

  • binaryboy

    A private organization that receives funding from federal and local governments and for which the President serves as the honorary president.

  • Ken in Cville

    In addition, the BSA has a Charter from Congress. They aren’t as privater as one might think … or as the Supreme Court’s decision might lead one to believe.

  • Flipost

    I did not know that, Thank you. The gov’t can cut funding, but as the honorary president title can stay – after all it’s just an imaginary position. Each president can decide whether they want to use that.

  • Ken in Cville

    In addition, the BSA has a Charter from Congress. They aren’t as privater as one might think … or as the Supreme Court’s decision might lead one to believe.

  • Flipost

    I did not know that, Thank you. The gov’t can cut funding, but as the honorary president title can stay – after all it’s just an imaginary position. Each president can decide whether they want to use that.

  • Ken in Cville

    Many municipalities and jurisdictions have already cut funding on this basis. But many have not, and BSA doesn’t want to lose more money and support than they’ve already lost in the last decade — hence, they are grappling with this issue.

    Personally, I’d rather they keep a total ban instead of a dual message of: We’ll let you in (because we don’t want to lose anymore $$) but you’re outta here once you’re 18 because you’re soul is awful and you would be bad for the kids.

  • Ken in Cville

    Many municipalities and jurisdictions have already cut funding on this basis. But many have not, and BSA doesn’t want to lose more money and support than they’ve already lost in the last decade — hence, they are grappling with this issue.

    Personally, I’d rather they keep a total ban instead of a dual message of: We’ll let you in (because we don’t want to lose anymore $$) but you’re outta here once you’re 18 because you’re soul is awful and you would be bad for the kids.

  • BrainBraun

    If gays guys can be scouts, then at summer scout camp there will be some sexual activity among them. That is human nature — a few extra poles sticking up in the tent. The straight guys will not be sexually active except for the possibility of masturbation. This is the nuts and bolts of why I don’t support gays in the boy scouts. Gay scouts will flirt with each other, however slyly. But teenagers are not stupid they see and feel all. You are not going to hide it from them. If gays come in, then all limitations should be removed. It should just be the Scouts: i.e. girls should be allowed to join too. That’s right if you can have gay Boy Scouts, then you should also have girl Boy Scouts.

  • BrainBraun

    If gays guys can be scouts, then at summer scout camp there will be some sexual activity among them. That is human nature — a few extra poles sticking up in the tent. The straight guys will not be sexually active except for the possibility of masturbation. This is the nuts and bolts of why I don’t support gays in the boy scouts. Gay scouts will flirt with each other, however slyly. But teenagers are not stupid they see and feel all. You are not going to hide it from them. If gays come in, then all limitations should be removed. It should just be the Scouts: i.e. girls should be allowed to join too. That’s right if you can have gay Boy Scouts, then you should also have girl Boy Scouts.

  • Ken in Cville

    I don’t agree with your reasoning, but I don’t have a problem at all with that.

  • Ken in Cville

    I don’t agree with your reasoning, but I don’t have a problem at all with that.

  • WorkingDad

    They already have Venturing, an arm of the BSA, that allows girls.

  • WorkingDad

    They already have Venturing, an arm of the BSA, that allows girls.

  • NewYorker2

    I actually think that if the leadership could get into their heads that homosexuals are no more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals, this would become a non-issue. It’s a toxic confusion, with no basis in fact. And, of course, an openly gay scout leader would be the least likely to engage in sex with scouts, being under the highest level of scrutiny.

  • NewYorker2

    I actually think that if the leadership could get into their heads that homosexuals are no more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals, this would become a non-issue. It’s a toxic confusion, with no basis in fact. And, of course, an openly gay scout leader would be the least likely to engage in sex with scouts, being under the highest level of scrutiny.

  • BrainBraun

    A little thing called reality. I remember summer Scout camp. Age 14, 15, 16, away from parents for a few weeks in the summer. What better place to have sex if there is a willing partner. The scoutmaster will be asleep. All the straight boys will be sexually inactive. Some gay boys can and will have sex with each other. This is reality. This is why it’s wrong to change it, unless you decide to make the organization co-ed. If the gays really want to stand up for what’s right. they’d be lobbying to include girls too.

  • BrainBraun

    A little thing called reality. I remember summer Scout camp. Age 14, 15, 16, away from parents for a few weeks in the summer. What better place to have sex if there is a willing partner. The scoutmaster will be asleep. All the straight boys will be sexually inactive. Some gay boys can and will have sex with each other. This is reality. This is why it’s wrong to change it, unless you decide to make the organization co-ed. If the gays really want to stand up for what’s right. they’d be lobbying to include girls too.

  • binaryboy

    BrainBraun, you act as though people cannot control themselves. Moreover, many young men who eventually identify as straight engage in same-sex sexual activities. As Kinsey noted in his study, very few people are totally gay or totally straight.

  • BrainBraun

    Then the right answer is to allow openly gay boys to join Venturing, but not the Boy Scouts.

  • binaryboy

    BrainBraun, you act as though people cannot control themselves. Moreover, many young men who eventually identify as straight engage in same-sex sexual activities. As Kinsey noted in his study, very few people are totally gay or totally straight.

  • BrainBraun

    Then the right answer is to allow openly gay boys to join Venturing, but not the Boy Scouts.

  • Venom, To Thy Work

    So it would be just fine if all of the teenagers were able to have sex with whichever teenagers they wanted? Even if it were co-ed, where does everyone sleep? Probably still boys separated from girls, right? Just because there are girls involved doesn’t make the gay boys any less gay. Co-ed Scouting would do absolutely nothing to solve the problem of teenagers having sex with each other at camp. If they want to do it, they will find a way. You just have a problem with the fact that it’s hypothetically two young men doing it.

  • Venom, To Thy Work

    So it would be just fine if all of the teenagers were able to have sex with whichever teenagers they wanted? Even if it were co-ed, where does everyone sleep? Probably still boys separated from girls, right? Just because there are girls involved doesn’t make the gay boys any less gay. Co-ed Scouting would do absolutely nothing to solve the problem of teenagers having sex with each other at camp. If they want to do it, they will find a way. You just have a problem with the fact that it’s hypothetically two young men doing it.

  • BrainBraun

    That’s right BinaryBoy, most children are not mature enough to behave reliably. Sexual desires will overcome some of the gay scouts, and yes some will have sex. To believe otherwise is to be naive.

  • BrainBraun

    That’s right BinaryBoy, most children are not mature enough to behave reliably. Sexual desires will overcome some of the gay scouts, and yes some will have sex. To believe otherwise is to be naive.

  • BrainBraun

    Venom, you misunderstand me. The right answer is to start a new organization. The Boy Scouts should continue their approach of not openly condoning sexual activity.

    The gay Scouts should start their own group. To be perfectly fair about it, the gay Scouts should include both genders and all orientations and not punish any sexual activity that might happen to occur. Not that they should encourage it either, as we are speaking of teens, below the age of majority. This is a fair solution.

  • BrainBraun

    Venom, you misunderstand me. The right answer is to start a new organization. The Boy Scouts should continue their approach of not openly condoning sexual activity.

    The gay Scouts should start their own group. To be perfectly fair about it, the gay Scouts should include both genders and all orientations and not punish any sexual activity that might happen to occur. Not that they should encourage it either, as we are speaking of teens, below the age of majority. This is a fair solution.

  • BrainBraun

    Venom, didn’t you ever go to summer camp? Boys and girls have a way of finding each other. All those policies are not going to inhibit youthful desire. Many will be active.

  • BrainBraun

    Venom, didn’t you ever go to summer camp? Boys and girls have a way of finding each other. All those policies are not going to inhibit youthful desire. Many will be active.

  • whiteowl19

    When I was 19, I was a camp counselor at a co-ed camp. I am male. I would always ask parents if I could shower with their 16 year old daughters. They would look at me like I was crazy – of course it would be all right.! Then I would ask if I could sleep in the same tent as their daughters – same reaction. So, obviously, the BSA is crazy. What could possibly go wrong with having gay men shower with teen age boys, and share a tent with them? Has the world gone mad?!

  • whiteowl19

    When I was 19, I was a camp counselor at a co-ed camp. I am male. I would always ask parents if I could shower with their 16 year old daughters. They would look at me like I was crazy – of course it would be all right.! Then I would ask if I could sleep in the same tent as their daughters – same reaction. So, obviously, the BSA is crazy. What could possibly go wrong with having gay men shower with teen age boys, and share a tent with them? Has the world gone mad?!

  • amonite

    How is being gay ‘who you are’? I am not defined by -any-particular one of my behaviors or personality traits. Even the ones with a partial genetic basis (tourettes), don’t ‘define’ me. Who I like does not ‘define me’. What defines me is who I am (character), my goals, and who I serve. Homesexuality is not genetically innate. It does ‘run in families’ to a -small- degree, making it have a small genetic predisposition. This does not mean it is innate or required (or even has a proven genetic component). In fact, it operates (morality aside) most similarly to alcoholism.

    A child can be born with the genetic predisposition (or not) to become an alcoholic, but the societal factors of growing up around an alcoholic family or partying with friends who drink a lot are much bigger. And, of course, if the child chooses to never drink at all, it’s not a disposition that would even be a triggered. Even if the child then becomes an alcoholic, he can still choose to take steps to not drink alcohol in the future. His drinking alcohol does not ‘define him'; even if it has become a hard habit to break.

    As such, your argument is the same as if you said “its nice they alllow scouts with drinking problems in, but why can’t they allow alcholic scout masters? They are human too!”

    The Boy Scouts aren’t saying they are less equal or not human. They are making a judgement call on a behavior that conflicts with the behavior code and ethics of their organization.

  • amonite

    How is being gay ‘who you are’? I am not defined by -any-particular one of my behaviors or personality traits. Even the ones with a partial genetic basis (tourettes), don’t ‘define’ me. Who I like does not ‘define me’. What defines me is who I am (character), my goals, and who I serve. Homesexuality is not genetically innate. It does ‘run in families’ to a -small- degree, making it have a small genetic predisposition. This does not mean it is innate or required (or even has a proven genetic component). In fact, it operates (morality aside) most similarly to alcoholism.

    A child can be born with the genetic predisposition (or not) to become an alcoholic, but the societal factors of growing up around an alcoholic family or partying with friends who drink a lot are much bigger. And, of course, if the child chooses to never drink at all, it’s not a disposition that would even be a triggered. Even if the child then becomes an alcoholic, he can still choose to take steps to not drink alcohol in the future. His drinking alcohol does not ‘define him'; even if it has become a hard habit to break.

    As such, your argument is the same as if you said “its nice they alllow scouts with drinking problems in, but why can’t they allow alcholic scout masters? They are human too!”

    The Boy Scouts aren’t saying they are less equal or not human. They are making a judgement call on a behavior that conflicts with the behavior code and ethics of their organization.

  • whiteowl19

    Least likely, but likely nonetheless

  • binaryboy

    And, as I said, many of the straight scouts will also sexually experiment with one another. Kinsey discovered that thirty-seven percent of men had engaged in at least one same-sex sexual experience. So are you proposing we ban all boys from becoming scouts?

  • whiteowl19

    Least likely, but likely nonetheless

  • binaryboy

    And, as I said, many of the straight scouts will also sexually experiment with one another. Kinsey discovered that thirty-seven percent of men had engaged in at least one same-sex sexual experience. So are you proposing we ban all boys from becoming scouts?

  • CapCurrent

    What is it with people Whiteowl who think that if you’re homosexual you must be hyper-sexual? My example from earlier is–would you allow a male to coach your daughter’s soccer team? Whats the difference?

  • CapCurrent

    What is it with people Whiteowl who think that if you’re homosexual you must be hyper-sexual? My example from earlier is–would you allow a male to coach your daughter’s soccer team? Whats the difference?

  • whiteowl19

    It’s when they get in the same shower that I start to get concerned.

  • whiteowl19

    It’s when they get in the same shower that I start to get concerned.

  • CapCurrent

    wrong wrong wrong.

  • CapCurrent

    wrong wrong wrong.

  • Bob_Amsel

    Whiteowl, that shower nonsense is SO-O-O-O tired. It was used by the same people (as yourself) who wanted to keep discrimination in the armed forces. Straights and gays shower together all the time, from the armed services to gyms across the country. Most men don’t have a problem controlling themselves in a shower setting, even if you apparently do.

  • Bob_Amsel

    Whiteowl, that shower nonsense is SO-O-O-O tired. It was used by the same people (as yourself) who wanted to keep discrimination in the armed forces. Straights and gays shower together all the time, from the armed services to gyms across the country. Most men don’t have a problem controlling themselves in a shower setting, even if you apparently do.

  • Hildy J

    It is not so much that it defines you as it is that other people use it to define you. To use your examples, if the Boy Scouts banned people with Tourettes or members of Alcoholics Anonymous, it would be wrong.

  • Hildy J

    It is not so much that it defines you as it is that other people use it to define you. To use your examples, if the Boy Scouts banned people with Tourettes or members of Alcoholics Anonymous, it would be wrong.

  • immigrant1

    Capcurrent they don’t have sleep over or camping trips. Coaching is very different from being a scout master or a den leader. Even if coaching is part of being a scout leader, Coaches normally teach in a public setting at all times..

  • immigrant1

    Capcurrent they don’t have sleep over or camping trips. Coaching is very different from being a scout master or a den leader. Even if coaching is part of being a scout leader, Coaches normally teach in a public setting at all times..

  • ZZlm

    amonite wrote: “How is being gay ‘who you are’?”

    There’s a difference between “who you are” and “all that you are.”

    Most people consider their orientation to be a very small component of their self-images. So, as Hildy says above, it’s offensive to them when someone singles them out for special treatment because of one unusual characteristic.
    .

  • jhtlag1

    Oh, people won’t do it if they’re under “the highest amount of scrutiny” that’s reassuing.

  • ZZlm

    amonite wrote: “How is being gay ‘who you are’?”

    There’s a difference between “who you are” and “all that you are.”

    Most people consider their orientation to be a very small component of their self-images. So, as Hildy says above, it’s offensive to them when someone singles them out for special treatment because of one unusual characteristic.
    .

  • jhtlag1

    Oh, people won’t do it if they’re under “the highest amount of scrutiny” that’s reassuing.

  • AlfromAlexandria

    There is strict separation between Scouts and adults at any shower facilities. Please learn more about Scouting and scouting’s rules and Youth Protection before you comment. Your ignorance of Scouting just makes us within the Scouting community laugh.

  • AlfromAlexandria

    There is strict separation between Scouts and adults at any shower facilities. Please learn more about Scouting and scouting’s rules and Youth Protection before you comment. Your ignorance of Scouting just makes us within the Scouting community laugh.

  • AlfromAlexandria

    Scouting does not allow adults to sleep in the same tents as Scouts. Scouting does not allow adults to shower with Scouts. Please learn about Scouting before you make such “strange” assumptions.

  • AlfromAlexandria

    Scouting does not allow adults to sleep in the same tents as Scouts. Scouting does not allow adults to shower with Scouts. Please learn about Scouting before you make such “strange” assumptions.

  • dennob

    What you don’t know is a lot.

  • dennob

    What you don’t know is a lot.

  • FrenchChef

    Sorry, amonite, comparing LGBT Americans to alcoholics is hate speech, nothing more.

  • FrenchChef

    Sorry, amonite, comparing LGBT Americans to alcoholics is hate speech, nothing more.

  • FrenchChef

    Nope, whiteowl, the world is gone sane. Americans outnumber anti-gays 100 to 1.

  • FrenchChef

    Nope, whiteowl, the world is gone sane. Americans outnumber anti-gays 100 to 1.

  • ZZlm

    Seems to me like the “anti-gay” threat is overblown.

  • ZZlm

    Seems to me like the “anti-gay” threat is overblown.

  • FrenchChef

    Most anti-gays have built up an elaborate set of fantasies, such as that their tiny numbers are somehow “the majority.” When presented with the simple fact that a strong majority of Americans reject their demands to hurt and vilify LGBT Americans, anti-gays show they simply cannot accept any facts that contradict their deep-seated phobia and hatred for their fellow Americans who are LGBT.

  • FrenchChef

    Most anti-gays have built up an elaborate set of fantasies, such as that their tiny numbers are somehow “the majority.” When presented with the simple fact that a strong majority of Americans reject their demands to hurt and vilify LGBT Americans, anti-gays show they simply cannot accept any facts that contradict their deep-seated phobia and hatred for their fellow Americans who are LGBT.

  • FrenchChef

    “I actually think that if the leadership could get into their heads that homosexuals are no more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals, this would become a non-issue.’

    I am sure the BSA leadership knows the facts, but they are promoting this LIE about LGBT Americans at the behest of their Mormon and Catholic hierarchy sponsors. These executives make very lucrative salaries thanks to the Mormon and Catholic money.

  • FrenchChef

    “I actually think that if the leadership could get into their heads that homosexuals are no more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals, this would become a non-issue.’

    I am sure the BSA leadership knows the facts, but they are promoting this LIE about LGBT Americans at the behest of their Mormon and Catholic hierarchy sponsors. These executives make very lucrative salaries thanks to the Mormon and Catholic money.

  • rhc52

    Thank you Al for pointing ou that the BSA’s youth protection rules already separate youth from adults in sleeping or showering. Let’s not forget what happened when Jerry Sandusky, a married “straight” male was allowed to shower with youths. The rules designed to protect scouts from the Jerry Sanduskys of the world would apply equally to gay and straight scout leaders because you never know who might be a predator.

  • rhc52

    Thank you Al for pointing ou that the BSA’s youth protection rules already separate youth from adults in sleeping or showering. Let’s not forget what happened when Jerry Sandusky, a married “straight” male was allowed to shower with youths. The rules designed to protect scouts from the Jerry Sanduskys of the world would apply equally to gay and straight scout leaders because you never know who might be a predator.

  • Yoda Man

    Sounds like both the gay and anti-gay supporters are already mad at the scouts no matter what they decide, so there may not be a boy scouts of america when everyone quits.

  • Yoda Man

    Sounds like both the gay and anti-gay supporters are already mad at the scouts no matter what they decide, so there may not be a boy scouts of america when everyone quits.

  • rhc52

    The BSA leadership knows the facts. They make it quite clear in their on-line Youth Protection Training that the typical predator is a married man. The religious institutions that charter scout units on the other hand cling to the believe that the LGBT are a threat to youth and society in general.

    I am still trying to figure out how a gay couple down the street threatens the sanctity of my marriage.

  • rhc52

    The BSA leadership knows the facts. They make it quite clear in their on-line Youth Protection Training that the typical predator is a married man. The religious institutions that charter scout units on the other hand cling to the believe that the LGBT are a threat to youth and society in general.

    I am still trying to figure out how a gay couple down the street threatens the sanctity of my marriage.

  • rhc52

    The BSA does not receive direct funding but does receive benefit of government support–the military often provides space and other resources to the scouts. Until recently, the quadrennial National Jamboree was held at Ft. A.P Hill in Virginia.

    The BSA has been losing support from local governments, schools and charitable organizations like the United Way. In many places, scouts can no longer hold meetings in schools or other public buildings. Many school systems will no longer allow the Cub Scouts to distribute flyers to the students.

  • rhc52

    The BSA does not receive direct funding but does receive benefit of government support–the military often provides space and other resources to the scouts. Until recently, the quadrennial National Jamboree was held at Ft. A.P Hill in Virginia.

    The BSA has been losing support from local governments, schools and charitable organizations like the United Way. In many places, scouts can no longer hold meetings in schools or other public buildings. Many school systems will no longer allow the Cub Scouts to distribute flyers to the students.

  • ZZlm

    One of the key identifying characteristics of a reasonable compromise is that it enrages the fanatics on both sides of the issue.

    I think the Boy Scouts have accomplished that, given the evidence we’ve seen here today.

  • ZZlm

    One of the key identifying characteristics of a reasonable compromise is that it enrages the fanatics on both sides of the issue.

    I think the Boy Scouts have accomplished that, given the evidence we’ve seen here today.

  • itsthedax

    Putting issues like this up for a vote is absolutely wrong.

    This vote is based on the notion that it is perfectly OK to discriminate against a minority, if a majority of voters says its OK. That is fundamentally evil, and un-American.

    As a private organization, the boy scouts can exclude gays, But they can do so only if they forego any government sponsorship and stop any use of taxpayer funded resources.

  • itsthedax

    Putting issues like this up for a vote is absolutely wrong.

    This vote is based on the notion that it is perfectly OK to discriminate against a minority, if a majority of voters says its OK. That is fundamentally evil, and un-American.

    As a private organization, the boy scouts can exclude gays, But they can do so only if they forego any government sponsorship and stop any use of taxpayer funded resources.

  • patriot1

    With regards to the boy scouts or any youh group, why does sexual preference enter the equation at all. I’m sure when I was a youngster in the 60s, I had gay kids on my baseball team, in my class, in the cub scouts, etc. We were children and were not exposed to the issues kids face today. I don’t believe gays should be discriminated against. I also believe that if a child is gay, he should not be used as a political tool to push an agenda. Let kids be kids.

  • patriot1

    With regards to the boy scouts or any youh group, why does sexual preference enter the equation at all. I’m sure when I was a youngster in the 60s, I had gay kids on my baseball team, in my class, in the cub scouts, etc. We were children and were not exposed to the issues kids face today. I don’t believe gays should be discriminated against. I also believe that if a child is gay, he should not be used as a political tool to push an agenda. Let kids be kids.

  • The Floridian

    As a Christian, I will pray that members of the gay community will respect the views of non-gays, as well as those of all parents who teach children that God is love. Our American society will perpetuate itself for generations to come because of true love relationships between men and women, not because any organization supports the right of any individual to be gay. I personally believe that the Boy Scouts have unnecessarily reduced their membership roles in the near future, but that is their right to do so.

  • The Floridian

    As a Christian, I will pray that members of the gay community will respect the views of non-gays, as well as those of all parents who teach children that God is love. Our American society will perpetuate itself for generations to come because of true love relationships between men and women, not because any organization supports the right of any individual to be gay. I personally believe that the Boy Scouts have unnecessarily reduced their membership roles in the near future, but that is their right to do so.

  • Dog Agility Man

    Interesting the unthinking and heartless right, believe the end of the BSA is now heralded. Interesting because they have lost corporate support and have lost membership very specifically because of their institutionalized hate and discrimination. Hate is hate and discrimination is discrimination even if you wrap it in a multitude of bible quotes. The bible has been used to discriminate against and subjugate racial minorities, and is still used to subjugate women, and LBGT people.

  • Dog Agility Man

    Interesting the unthinking and heartless right, believe the end of the BSA is now heralded. Interesting because they have lost corporate support and have lost membership very specifically because of their institutionalized hate and discrimination. Hate is hate and discrimination is discrimination even if you wrap it in a multitude of bible quotes. The bible has been used to discriminate against and subjugate racial minorities, and is still used to subjugate women, and LBGT people.

  • MagnetoX1

    This should never have happened; the Boy Scouts should not have been pressured into changing their rules. They are a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION, always have been. And like any other club or organization, they have, or SHOULD have, the right to decide who can or cannot participate in their group. THAT is what this is really all about.

  • MagnetoX1

    This should never have happened; the Boy Scouts should not have been pressured into changing their rules. They are a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION, always have been. And like any other club or organization, they have, or SHOULD have, the right to decide who can or cannot participate in their group. THAT is what this is really all about.

  • Katie Stewart-Taylor

    Amonite, I’m going to take a wild guess that you know very few gay people, or alcoholics for that matter. Since you obviously have been grossly misinformed about both.

  • Katie Stewart-Taylor

    Amonite, I’m going to take a wild guess that you know very few gay people, or alcoholics for that matter. Since you obviously have been grossly misinformed about both.

  • ark252

    Obviously, the ban on gay adult scout leaders will be lifted soon. This decision should be celebrated, along with every step of progress. History is full of examples of equality being “doled out in fits and starts”. In fact, isn’t all of history basically a series of “fits and starts”? Nothing just, POOF, suddenly comes into existence all at once. “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” hastened the further progress of allowing openly gay people in the military. There’s many more examples.

  • ark252

    Obviously, the ban on gay adult scout leaders will be lifted soon. This decision should be celebrated, along with every step of progress. History is full of examples of equality being “doled out in fits and starts”. In fact, isn’t all of history basically a series of “fits and starts”? Nothing just, POOF, suddenly comes into existence all at once. “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” hastened the further progress of allowing openly gay people in the military. There’s many more examples.