As BC graduates, Catholicism is alive and well on campus

Cardinal Sean O’Malley celebrates Mass in Rome. Domenico Stinellis / AP Catholicism is alive and well at Boston College. For … Continued

Cardinal Sean O’Malley celebrates Mass in Rome. Domenico Stinellis / AP

Catholicism is alive and well at Boston College. For many people, Boston Catholicism is synonymous with BC; with its beautiful campus; distinguished faculty; enthusiastic alumni; talented students; wealth of tradition; and, very visible Jesuit and Catholic presence. Indeed, through a decade when the Archdiocese was selling off its churches, getting rid of its Catholic hospitals, and limping under the weight of a devastating abuse scandal, BC was a beacon of Catholic fidelity and academic and civic virtue.

The BC community, like Boston, and like the Catholic Church at its best, welcomes many people and listens to many voices. BC works hard to build on, not just preserve, the rich traditions of the Boston Irish. The people of Ireland have suffered a great deal in recent years, not least from tragic experiences of corruption in the Catholic community. That is an experience shared by the people of Boston. So it was altogether appropriate that BC invite the distinguished Prime Minister of Ireland to speak at this year’s commencement.

Yet some politically conservative Catholics disagree. They say the College disobeyed an order from the American bishops to refrain from honoring people who oppose Catholic teaching. They point to the Prime Minister’s support for legislation that clarifies existing conditions under which doctors might perform an abortion to save the life of the mother. The law responds to a recent death of a woman denied an abortion, and to meet the requirements of a binding judgment by the European Human Rights Commission. The Irish hierarchy and the Cardinal Archbishop of Boston state that this violates basic Catholic doctrine. Official Catholic teaching condemns abortion in absolutely all cases and allows no exceptions for rape, incest, or the life of the mother. Cardinal Sean O’Malley’s “clarification” of the Church’s heartlessness on this issue will shock those who admire the Cardinal’s frequent insistence that the Church is primarily a sacrament of God’s love.

Last year, allowing an abortion to save a mother’s life resulted in the withdrawal of Catholic support for a major hospital in Phoenix and excommunication of the nun who served as its president. The Church’s pastoral leader in that case sought to override the hospital’s ethics committee. A similar override over higher education is demanded by the directive about academic honors. This override claim may seem specific to medical or academic practices, but in fact it calls into question more important issues than academic freedom or medical professional autonomy. That was clear last year when the Irish Prime Minister, a practicing Catholic, was forced to denounce a Vatican letter suggesting to the Irish Bishops that they need not conform to new legislation dealing with child abuse.

Civic and professional responsibilities are not secondary to ecclesiastical interests, nor are they automatically defined and limited by anyone’s religious teachings. At BC as in Boston and most of its many faith communities, self-selected openness to diversity and commitment to dialogue about differences are virtues to be celebrated, and protected. For ordinary people and ordinary communities those virtues have nothing to do with indifference to morality, as some extremist leaders claim. No, they rest on serious moral commitments:

  • to the dignity of the human person, which requires people to listen as well as speak;
  • to the common good, including the well-being of women, which requires respect for democratic institutions and for government officials charged with constitutional responsibilities;
  • to the truth, which requires the hard work of thinking with others about the meaning of diverse perspectives on history in the making – thinking alone is the root of what we call fundamentalism or “extremism.”

These are not just commitments of Boston College. They are – or should be – commitments basic to good citizenship and, for Christians, basic to responsible discipleship. Self-selected prophets who ignore these commitments never deserve respect.

The Boston College community puts those commitments into practice every day. When Boston Catholics experienced the painful exposure of sexual abuse and clerical cover-up, BC reached out to help. Now, once again, a word must be said not in defense of BC but in defense of the Catholic community of which BC, its Catholic friends, and Archbishop O’Malley are all a part.

Three things need to be said:

First Boston College properly treasures its relationship with Cardinal O’Malley. But that relationship is within and for the sake of the Catholic community of Boston, and at times BC must speak, not just nod in agreement.

Second, Boston Catholics might consider the possibility that the Irish experience on the question of abortion may indeed provide a needed clarification of the issue of what to do when the life of the mother is at stake. What does it say about our Church, which is so male-dominated, when it states loudly and publicly that it knows better than loving families and caring physicians and counselors what is the right thing to do when such decisions must be made?

Third, Boston Catholics should honor the representative of the Irish people because they, like many of us, have had to deal with experiences of serious corruption in the Church. Here as in Ireland the loss of trust within the Church and the loss of respect for the Church has severely damaged the entire community, not just the Church itself. Such things matter.

So worry not for BC; it will thrive because it does good work. We should be worried more for the Catholic community, of which BC is a part, as we seek to regain our bearings with regard to the meaning of human dignity, solidarity and truthfulness. As for Boston College and Ireland, they have good leaders who honor each other on graduation day. We all should be proud.

David J. O’Brien, Ph.D. is formerly the University Professor of Faith and Culture at the University of Dayton and the Loyola Professor of Roman Catholic Studies, professor emeritus of history at the College of the Holy Cross in Massachusetts.

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  • maryann.uniondale

    I read Dr. O’Brien’s thought-provokong comments while watching television coverage of the unbelievable destruction wrought by tornadoes in Oklahoma. How can those who denounce climate change and global warming abandon their moral commitment to the truth? How many more lives and communities must be lost to storms until we abandon polemics, and respect humanity by embracing science?

  • maryann.uniondale

    I read Dr. O’Brien’s thought-provokong comments while watching television coverage of the unbelievable destruction wrought by tornadoes in Oklahoma. How can those who denounce climate change and global warming abandon their moral commitment to the truth? How many more lives and communities must be lost to storms until we abandon polemics, and respect humanity by embracing science?

  • GunIsGirlsBestFriend

    DEMOCRATS PUSH PHONY CATHOLIC GROUP

    Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments as follows:
    Rep. Elijah Cummings, the senior Democrat on the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, expressed dissatisfaction today with the composition of the panel which was selected to testify on the religious liberty issues involved in the Obama healthcare mandate. He complained that Catholic groups like Catholics United were not asked to speak.
    Similarly, the White House Blog lists Catholics United as a Catholic group that supports the mandate.
    But Catholics United is nothing but a George Soros-funded anti-Catholic front group. As we have previously reported, Soros’ Open Society Institute has poured a ton of money into Catholics United.
    In 2008, Archbishop Charles Chaput spoke for many bishops when he said that Catholics United was doing a “disservice to the Church.” In 2010 and 2011, it worked against the bishops by supporting abortion coverage in the Obama healthcare bill. It also supported efforts to censor the free speech rights of the Susan B. Anthony List in 2010 which had posted a pro-life billboard in Ohio. That same year it sided with anti-Catholics who applauded a vile video depicting large ants crawling all over Jesus on the Cross that was shown at the Smithsonian, a publicly funded museum.
    Rep. Cummings and the Obama administration, along with many in the elite media (the New York Times being the worst offender), are intentionally deceiving the American people by casting Catholics United as a legitimate Catholic organization. It is neither Catholic nor an organization. Rather it is nothing more than an anti-Catholic letterhead funded by George Soros, a left-wing billionaire atheist who has long worked to subvert the Catholic Church.

    Good job Big O

  • GunIsGirlsBestFriend

    DEMOCRATS PUSH PHONY CATHOLIC GROUP

    Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments as follows:
    Rep. Elijah Cummings, the senior Democrat on the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, expressed dissatisfaction today with the composition of the panel which was selected to testify on the religious liberty issues involved in the Obama healthcare mandate. He complained that Catholic groups like Catholics United were not asked to speak.
    Similarly, the White House Blog lists Catholics United as a Catholic group that supports the mandate.
    But Catholics United is nothing but a George Soros-funded anti-Catholic front group. As we have previously reported, Soros’ Open Society Institute has poured a ton of money into Catholics United.
    In 2008, Archbishop Charles Chaput spoke for many bishops when he said that Catholics United was doing a “disservice to the Church.” In 2010 and 2011, it worked against the bishops by supporting abortion coverage in the Obama healthcare bill. It also supported efforts to censor the free speech rights of the Susan B. Anthony List in 2010 which had posted a pro-life billboard in Ohio. That same year it sided with anti-Catholics who applauded a vile video depicting large ants crawling all over Jesus on the Cross that was shown at the Smithsonian, a publicly funded museum.
    Rep. Cummings and the Obama administration, along with many in the elite media (the New York Times being the worst offender), are intentionally deceiving the American people by casting Catholics United as a legitimate Catholic organization. It is neither Catholic nor an organization. Rather it is nothing more than an anti-Catholic letterhead funded by George Soros, a left-wing billionaire atheist who has long worked to subvert the Catholic Church.

    Good job Big O

  • elotrolado

    Think not for thyself Catholic brethren, lest thy be struck by the wrath of God (I mean the human hierarchy claiming to represent god)

  • elotrolado

    Think not for thyself Catholic brethren, lest thy be struck by the wrath of God (I mean the human hierarchy claiming to represent god)

  • Sanju John Vargeese

    I don’t think the catholic church denies climate change and global warming..I find catholic church in general to be more politically left than the average democrats and more socially conservative than the republicans.

  • Sanju John Vargeese

    I don’t think the catholic church denies climate change and global warming..I find catholic church in general to be more politically left than the average democrats and more socially conservative than the republicans.

  • genennene

    The problems we see with the Church and Boston College are reflected more in the positions of the author than that of Cardinal O’Malley. There is no pride that comes from BC’s position, or that David O’Brien sees himself as the arbiter of Truth or Catholic teaching.

  • genennene

    Try learning the Truth before doling out heresy.

  • genennene

    The problems we see with the Church and Boston College are reflected more in the positions of the author than that of Cardinal O’Malley. There is no pride that comes from BC’s position, or that David O’Brien sees himself as the arbiter of Truth or Catholic teaching.

  • genennene

    Try learning the Truth before doling out heresy.

  • genennene

    Maryann, how can you claim that climate change (which by the way, by its definition, becomes true–climate change causes heat, cold, rain, snow, and dry spells) caused Oklahoma?

  • genennene

    Maryann, how can you claim that climate change (which by the way, by its definition, becomes true–climate change causes heat, cold, rain, snow, and dry spells) caused Oklahoma?

  • OutofmanyONE

    Alive, yes but not well with many not fully in agreement with all the teachings of the RCC. Just ask them.

  • OutofmanyONE

    Alive, yes but not well with many not fully in agreement with all the teachings of the RCC. Just ask them.

  • cricket44

    Bizarre. People *actually* take Bill Donohue seriously?

  • cricket44

    O’Malley basically has a snit fit because someone is trying to make sure women don’t die.

  • cricket44

    Bizarre. People *actually* take Bill Donohue seriously?

  • cricket44

    O’Malley basically has a snit fit because someone is trying to make sure women don’t die.

  • lynnman1

    Cricket – you should get the facts right before ye judge. The Irish law, as well as Catholic teachings, allow for options when the mother’s life is in danger. There are two living humans involved in the decision but there is the principle of double-effect that would have applied in the referenced tragic case in Ireland that spurred a proposed law that does more than being reported. If a medical procedure is available that can saver the life of the mother but has a secondary effect of losing the life of the fetus, it can be allowed since the primary objective was the life saving procedure and not a direct abortion. I believe this proposed law is calling for the allowance of direct abortions, defining the beginning of life at implantation vs conception, etc. That was the primary issue that is clearly against the teachings, which Edna is supporting and a strong reason for honoring him at a Catholic institution.

  • lynnman1

    Cricket – you should get the facts right before ye judge. The Irish law, as well as Catholic teachings, allow for options when the mother’s life is in danger. There are two living humans involved in the decision but there is the principle of double-effect that would have applied in the referenced tragic case in Ireland that spurred a proposed law that does more than being reported. If a medical procedure is available that can saver the life of the mother but has a secondary effect of losing the life of the fetus, it can be allowed since the primary objective was the life saving procedure and not a direct abortion. I believe this proposed law is calling for the allowance of direct abortions, defining the beginning of life at implantation vs conception, etc. That was the primary issue that is clearly against the teachings, which Edna is supporting and a strong reason for honoring him at a Catholic institution.

  • cricket44

    “it can be allowed ” Do you hear yourself? Revolting.

  • cricket44

    “it can be allowed ” Do you hear yourself? Revolting.

  • lynnman1

    People should seek the truth. If you listen to Jesus, he knew that as individuals we tend to filter through our own biases and in the process miss God’s will. He has always worked through teaching authority that is guided by the Spirit. This is way Jesus selected and spent some much time teaching the aposltes, why built His Church and selected Peter to lead the Church. The Spirit guided them in the truth and gave them the courage and faith to sacrifice their lives for that truth. The Church serves as the teaching authority in the fullness of truth. There is no intent to stop people from searching and thinking but they should be guided in the truth that the Church teachings can provide.

  • lynnman1

    People should seek the truth. If you listen to Jesus, he knew that as individuals we tend to filter through our own biases and in the process miss God’s will. He has always worked through teaching authority that is guided by the Spirit. This is way Jesus selected and spent some much time teaching the aposltes, why built His Church and selected Peter to lead the Church. The Spirit guided them in the truth and gave them the courage and faith to sacrifice their lives for that truth. The Church serves as the teaching authority in the fullness of truth. There is no intent to stop people from searching and thinking but they should be guided in the truth that the Church teachings can provide.

  • lynnman1

    How well do you know him or do you just bias yourself because he is Catholic?

  • lynnman1

    How well do you know him or do you just bias yourself because he is Catholic?

  • lynnman1

    Direct killing is revolting. Do you hear yourself???

  • lynnman1

    Direct killing is revolting. Do you hear yourself???

  • Secular1

    JC knew nothing. He did not know time value of money nor he knew the value add of a currency trader. He was an idiot.

  • Secular1

    JC knew nothing. He did not know time value of money nor he knew the value add of a currency trader. He was an idiot.

  • Secular1

    Even Bill Donohue does not like Bill Donohue.

  • Secular1

    Even Bill Donohue does not like Bill Donohue.

  • cricket44

    I hear myself fine. The rights of the person outweigh the rights of the potential.

  • cricket44

    I hear myself fine. The rights of the person outweigh the rights of the potential.

  • johndag

    Professor O’Brien,
    I find many inaccuracies in your opinion piece. First, however, I must agree with you that Catholicism is alive and well at BC, which is one of the major reasons my daughter is enrolled there. And that is why the decision to honor Mr. Kenny is particularly distressing.
    You describe faithful Catholics who follow Church teachings on abortion in a pejorative sense, as “politically conservative Catholics.” I can only assume, then, that you could be described as a “politically liberal Catholic.” In other words, you stand with Planned Parenthood of Massachusetts, which endorsed the Kenny invitation. Church teachings on abortion are clear, Professor. There is nothing necessarily liberal or conservative about them.
    Mr. Kenny had no such obligation to support the legislation proposed in Ireland because of an EU Human Rights requirement. If the EU found that the Catholic Church should be abolished in Ireland, should Mr. Kenny submit to The Hague as well on that decision? The idea that all of a sudden Enda Kenny had to get behind such legislation (which he had previously promised not to do) to satisfy EU elites is absurd and condescending to the people of Ireland.
    Your information on the case in Phoenix is either deliberately misleading or ill-informed. There is never a reason for a fetus at 11 weeks gestation to be aborted to save the life of the mother. The hemodynamic effects of an 11 week fetus on her condition would not be sufficient to kill her without an abortion. She should have been treated medically without deliberately trying to harm the fetus. If, at 20-24 weeks, when the baby was viable, if she deteriorated, the baby could have been delivered – it did not have to be killed. Bishop Olmsted responded appropriately.
    Please stop the “male-dominated” Church-bashing routine. They are charged with spreading the revealed truths of Christ with love. “Loving families and caring physicians and counselors” are not. God bless.

  • johndag

    Professor O’Brien,
    I find many inaccuracies in your opinion piece. First, however, I must agree with you that Catholicism is alive and well at BC, which is one of the major reasons my daughter is enrolled there. And that is why the decision to honor Mr. Kenny is particularly distressing.
    You describe faithful Catholics who follow Church teachings on abortion in a pejorative sense, as “politically conservative Catholics.” I can only assume, then, that you could be described as a “politically liberal Catholic.” In other words, you stand with Planned Parenthood of Massachusetts, which endorsed the Kenny invitation. Church teachings on abortion are clear, Professor. There is nothing necessarily liberal or conservative about them.
    Mr. Kenny had no such obligation to support the legislation proposed in Ireland because of an EU Human Rights requirement. If the EU found that the Catholic Church should be abolished in Ireland, should Mr. Kenny submit to The Hague as well on that decision? The idea that all of a sudden Enda Kenny had to get behind such legislation (which he had previously promised not to do) to satisfy EU elites is absurd and condescending to the people of Ireland.
    Your information on the case in Phoenix is either deliberately misleading or ill-informed. There is never a reason for a fetus at 11 weeks gestation to be aborted to save the life of the mother. The hemodynamic effects of an 11 week fetus on her condition would not be sufficient to kill her without an abortion. She should have been treated medically without deliberately trying to harm the fetus. If, at 20-24 weeks, when the baby was viable, if she deteriorated, the baby could have been delivered – it did not have to be killed. Bishop Olmsted responded appropriately.
    Please stop the “male-dominated” Church-bashing routine. They are charged with spreading the revealed truths of Christ with love. “Loving families and caring physicians and counselors” are not. God bless.

  • lynnman1

    I am not sure how your ignorance nor your arrogance will serve you in the end – but I hope you take advantage of any opportunities you have along the way to open your mind and heart just a little bit.

  • lynnman1

    I am not sure how your ignorance nor your arrogance will serve you in the end – but I hope you take advantage of any opportunities you have along the way to open your mind and heart just a little bit.

  • lynnman1

    Agree – except we have passed the potential stage once that life has begun. I know you don’t see that but I suggest you consider the possibilities based more on facts than a close-minded conclusion. Are you saying a potential life or are you saying that you are not a full “person” until some arbitraty point you have defined (or would let others pick there own person point in time)?

  • lynnman1

    Agree – except we have passed the potential stage once that life has begun. I know you don’t see that but I suggest you consider the possibilities based more on facts than a close-minded conclusion. Are you saying a potential life or are you saying that you are not a full “person” until some arbitraty point you have defined (or would let others pick there own person point in time)?

  • lynnman1

    Like is different than respecting. Why do you not take him seriously – because you disagree? or because….?

  • lynnman1

    Like is different than respecting. Why do you not take him seriously – because you disagree? or because….?

  • cricket44

    Nonsense. If it were not potential, we would give birth in the first trimester. One of us is operating from fact. It isn’t you.

  • cricket44

    Nonsense. If it were not potential, we would give birth in the first trimester. One of us is operating from fact. It isn’t you.

  • johndag

    Professor O’Brien,
    I will continue, as I was only allowed so many characters in my last post.
    You again misrepresent things when you say that the Vatican told priests in Ireland that they not conform with child abuse legislation. The law tried to require that priests break their solemn vows of confidentiality in a confessional – something, you know, sir, that they cannot do under any circumstance, even if a murderer confessed. This has always been the case. Have you ever spoken out against it in the past? I would think you would be as outraged in a murder case as in a child abuse case. A priest would be excommunicated if he broke this vow – it is not up for discussion sir, which you must know. Of course the priest can tell the person they should turn themselves in to authorities, but they are bound to confidentiality in the confessional – please do not deliberately represent things.
    You continually attempt in your op-Ed to impugn the motives of the Church, while sanctimoniously suggesting that everyone else has the best interests of society in mind. Really? Does the secular culture have the best interests of society in mind? Doctrinaire Catholics are “extremists.” The Church and Cardinal O’Malley are “heartless” on the issue of abortion. Right. It’s somehow “heartless” to stand against the direct termination of a fetus.
    You must know, sir, that the proposed Irish legislation opens Pandora’s box by allowing a woman to terminate her pregnancy because of claims of suicidal ideation. Can you quote me one medical text, sir, that prescribes abortion as a treatment for depression? You cannot, because it does not exist. A pregnant woman who is depressed needs medical treatment and loving care from people such as – wait a minute – the Church!
    The true source of Christ’s love.
    BC, under Fr. Leahy’s leadership, has been moving in the right direction. This past week was a step backward, but I pray they move forward from here. God bless. JPD

  • johndag

    Professor O’Brien,
    I will continue, as I was only allowed so many characters in my last post.
    You again misrepresent things when you say that the Vatican told priests in Ireland that they not conform with child abuse legislation. The law tried to require that priests break their solemn vows of confidentiality in a confessional – something, you know, sir, that they cannot do under any circumstance, even if a murderer confessed. This has always been the case. Have you ever spoken out against it in the past? I would think you would be as outraged in a murder case as in a child abuse case. A priest would be excommunicated if he broke this vow – it is not up for discussion sir, which you must know. Of course the priest can tell the person they should turn themselves in to authorities, but they are bound to confidentiality in the confessional – please do not deliberately represent things.
    You continually attempt in your op-Ed to impugn the motives of the Church, while sanctimoniously suggesting that everyone else has the best interests of society in mind. Really? Does the secular culture have the best interests of society in mind? Doctrinaire Catholics are “extremists.” The Church and Cardinal O’Malley are “heartless” on the issue of abortion. Right. It’s somehow “heartless” to stand against the direct termination of a fetus.
    You must know, sir, that the proposed Irish legislation opens Pandora’s box by allowing a woman to terminate her pregnancy because of claims of suicidal ideation. Can you quote me one medical text, sir, that prescribes abortion as a treatment for depression? You cannot, because it does not exist. A pregnant woman who is depressed needs medical treatment and loving care from people such as – wait a minute – the Church!
    The true source of Christ’s love.
    BC, under Fr. Leahy’s leadership, has been moving in the right direction. This past week was a step backward, but I pray they move forward from here. God bless. JPD

  • lynnman1

    That would make as much sense as saying a new born should be an adult before it has matured.
    If it is not living, why do you need to kill it? Stop a beating heart? Snip it’s spindle cord or crush its skull to stop it. If it is not human, what is it? A new born cannot survive without care and nurturing but I doubt you would afford it less rights or label it as less of a human. A unique human life begins at conception and the rest is a maturation process. Saying it is not is not factual science but a rationalization for feeling ok for about ending that life. When you think life begins (hint conception means beginning).

  • lynnman1

    That would make as much sense as saying a new born should be an adult before it has matured.
    If it is not living, why do you need to kill it? Stop a beating heart? Snip it’s spindle cord or crush its skull to stop it. If it is not human, what is it? A new born cannot survive without care and nurturing but I doubt you would afford it less rights or label it as less of a human. A unique human life begins at conception and the rest is a maturation process. Saying it is not is not factual science but a rationalization for feeling ok for about ending that life. When you think life begins (hint conception means beginning).

  • Jade2016

    Cricket44 could not objectively discuss the RCC, or abortion, any more than Jody Arias can discuss her murder of her former boyfriend.

  • Jade2016

    Cricket44 could not objectively discuss the RCC, or abortion, any more than Jody Arias can discuss her murder of her former boyfriend.

  • Trailridin

    Just a question, how does one even enter into a rational discussion with a person of “faith” when by the very virtue of professing faith, that person has already abdicated any claim to rationality? It is not rational to believe in “god” when it/he/she can’t be proven to exist, therefore it follows that when a defense of their opinions is that “the bible said so”, all pretense of rationality has gone right out the window.
    Here’s what I “believe”. No parent should be able to subject their child to indoctrination in their religious cult/church until they reach the age of obtaining a drivers license. If that religion stuff is so dang obviously good then there should be no problem selling it to them as semi-intelligent (we are talking teens, hence the semi statement) self aware adolescents. You see, without early mind control religion would die out very quickly, and all of you religious adherents know it. The only way to keep this form of intellectual slavery going it to get them in young and make them fear for their immortal souls while they are still malleable.
    One other note, since we are lucky enough to live in the US we have this little tradition of keeping religion out of our civil laws. That means, take your religion back home to your church and get it out of the statehouse. In case you have all had a mild case of amnesia our ancestors had lived under a system where the church involved itself intimately with the state and they wanted no part of that ever again. Please take note and respect their wishes.

  • Trailridin

    Just a question, how does one even enter into a rational discussion with a person of “faith” when by the very virtue of professing faith, that person has already abdicated any claim to rationality? It is not rational to believe in “god” when it/he/she can’t be proven to exist, therefore it follows that when a defense of their opinions is that “the bible said so”, all pretense of rationality has gone right out the window.
    Here’s what I “believe”. No parent should be able to subject their child to indoctrination in their religious cult/church until they reach the age of obtaining a drivers license. If that religion stuff is so dang obviously good then there should be no problem selling it to them as semi-intelligent (we are talking teens, hence the semi statement) self aware adolescents. You see, without early mind control religion would die out very quickly, and all of you religious adherents know it. The only way to keep this form of intellectual slavery going it to get them in young and make them fear for their immortal souls while they are still malleable.
    One other note, since we are lucky enough to live in the US we have this little tradition of keeping religion out of our civil laws. That means, take your religion back home to your church and get it out of the statehouse. In case you have all had a mild case of amnesia our ancestors had lived under a system where the church involved itself intimately with the state and they wanted no part of that ever again. Please take note and respect their wishes.

  • horseandjake

    A faith based on the MYTH of a virgin birth and the absurd, trinitarian concept of a god is shaky ground for drawing converts from information age humans.

  • horseandjake

    A faith based on the MYTH of a virgin birth and the absurd, trinitarian concept of a god is shaky ground for drawing converts from information age humans.

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