Wasserman Schultz: Mormon attack accusation ‘nonsense’

“That suggestion is utter nonsense. Let’s remember that President Obama has had so many things hurled at him – birth … Continued

That suggestion is utter nonsense. Let’s remember that President Obama has had so many things hurled at him – birth certificate questions, whether he is or is not a Christian. For them to suggest that religion will be injected [into the election] by President Obama and the Democratic Party, I mean, I think they need to take a look inward at the accusations that [the Republican] party and their supporters have hurled before they take that step.”

Alex Brandon

The Associated Press

Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz

-Debbie Wasserman Schultz responds to Orrin Hatch’s speculation of potential general-election attacks by liberals on Mitt Romney’s Mormonism.

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  • SODDI

    Typical bullies.

    For 4 years the Republican Teab*gger Christian Conservatives have engaged the the most vicious, vitriolic, lie-based, bigoted, racist politics possible.

    And now bully boy Hatch whines “No fair – they’re hitting us!”

    YOU opened the floodgates, Hatch. Hope you can swim.

  • SODDI

    “Hatch’s son Scott is a partner and registered lobbyist at Walker, Martin & Hatch LLC, a Washington lobbying firm. The firm was formed in 2001 with Jack Martin, a staff aide to Senator Hatch for six years, and H. Laird Walker, described as a close associate of the senator. In March 2003, the Los Angeles Times reported that the firm was formed with Hatch’s personal encouragement and that he saw no conflict of interest in working on issues that involved his son’s clients.”

  • ccnl1

    Truth in advertising and Truth in religion:

    Putting the final kibosh on religion to include Mormonism:

    There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism
    “The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother’s womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. “

  • catatonicjones

    Has Hatch been complaining about the other republicans in the primaries attacking Romney’s religion? Is he consistent, or just afraid of liberals.

  • mrfunn

    Where is Harry?

    Senate Majority leader Harry Reid belongs to the same church as Mitt.

    Hey Harry,
    What do you think of the attacks on your religion?

  • haveaheart

    Orrin Hatch knows better than this.

    Democrats have no need to demonize Romney’s faith. There’s plenty to demonize about Romney, himself.

  • LoyalReader

    Orrin Hatch’s speculates of potential general-election attacks by liberals on Mitt Romney’s Mormonism. Debbie Wasserman Schultz responds by stating that for them to suggest that religion will be injected [into the election] by President Obama and the Democratic Party, I mean, I think they need to take a look inward at the accusations.

    I recognize that the terms Liberals and the Democratic Party are not synonymous. Still, Debbie, you and Lawrence O’Donnell need to meet and coordinate your messages. Right now he is severely undercutting your assertion.

  • xxyx

    Hatch is a pathetic joke himself.
    When he ran for president, not that many years ago, he got about 1% of the vote in the primary, and he blamed that on his being a Mormon.
    [But the sad fact is, the Mormons didn’t even vote for him.]

  • SODDI

    Reid’s religion sucks, too.

  • peaceman2

    I’ve been very supportive of Obama until this election. Like Perry, Santorum, RP, etc, Obama doesn’t have to say anything personally, his “camp” is already doing all the work for him. I’ve been trying to pay attention to the numbers of hateful or misinforming anti-Mormon articles, comments, etc, and liberals are winning by quite a bit.

    Obama also has his pastors, but liberal anti-Mormonism generally works through the media, and liberal activists are among the most vocal and hateful people when it comes to Mormon bashing.
    The NY times ran four anti-Mormon articles in one day, and Maher, for example, has donated a million dollars to Obama’s campaign (I don’t know how much of that he earned from his anti-Mormon shows, articles, etc and from his ridiculing of Mormons, but if we were Muslims, and anyone were to be that disrespectful in wartime or peace, Obama would speak out (maybe not if it were for his re-election).
    There was an article by Joanna Brooks on Religion Dispatches, here is a quote: “This week, on David Letterman, Bill Maher got ugly about Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney and his Mormonism. “Don’t get me started on Mitt Romney,” Maher sneered to Letterman. ”Because Mitt Romney will teach America what’s really in Mormonism.”” Read the rest of the article, his disrespect is like those who burn the Koran.
    Even the anti-Mormon websites by liberals are more hateful. And how many leading anti-Mormon movies, TV programs, musicals, articles, etc are brought to us by Liberal activists?

  • SODDI

    Oh noes. People disagree with the Mormons. People disagree with the Republicans.

    Welcome to America, where we aren’t all homogeneous like in Utah.

    Besides, if you think what Maher said about Mormons is anything but gentle compared to what Republican Teab*gger Christian Conservatives (including Mormons) have been saying about their domestic political opponents, you have a very skewedview ofthings.

  • Secular1

    In case of Mr. Romeny I am not bothered by the whether mormonism is a variant of christianity or not. It would not bother me if it is or it is not. Nor am I too bothered by mormonism standing on its own, any more than any other clubs of delusion, generally called religions. That said, I do question a member of clergy of any of these clubs. I was concerned about Mr. Jimmy Carter, (though now I consider him as one of the great human beings living), as he was clergy. My questions about Mr. Romeny are how deeply does he believe in the doctrines of his club of delusion, as he was part of its clergy. What also bothers me is that Mr. Romeny was tacitly supportive of the innuendo that was and is still being heaped on Obama, and his so called subscription to islam. Not only, that now he himself started the innuendo that Obama may be a secret atheist, (horrors of all horrors). SO what if he is an atheist, what is it to Romney or for that matter to the rest of the Americans, if Obama is an atheist? To top it he and his surrogates have also started the innuendo that Obama campaign will make his mormonism a campaign issue. This scumbag does not like his faith to be made an issue but the sniveling pond scum in the same breathe will make supposed lack of faith an issue. These are the same people who could not bring themselves to even perfunctorily dismiss the muslim innuendo, but are prepared to preemptively strike at speculation. Given all these I do not foresee me changing my mind about this scum bag, vacillator.

  • Secular1

    Peaceman2, we have seen guys like you a plenty. You say “I’ve been very supportive of Obama until this election. Like Perry, Santorum, RP, etc, Obama doesn’t have to say anything personally, his “camp” is already doing all the work for him. I’ve been trying to pay attention to the numbers of hateful or misinforming anti-Mormon articles, comments, etc, and liberals are winning by quite a bit. ” You do have the gall to claim that you were supportive of Obama. Then you also engage in innuendo that his camp is already doing the work. What anti-mormon articles and comments were written by liberals? Before you go on accusing us, did you see how brazenly your man has been spreading misinformation himself is spreading about Obama? He accuses him of being an atheist. Then he implies that atheism something sinful, et, etc. He could not even bring himself to condemn all the muslim innuendo. He then implies that Obama is more European than American, when he is teh one who spent a year or so in France, likewise he accuses Obama of spending too much time in Harvard, while he himself spent one more year in Harvard than Obama and has lived in its shadows for rest of his life.

    I know you guys very well, you have made it an art form of accusing the opponents of the very slimy things you do, at the same time doing it with great relish. Stop play

  • Secular1

    Lawrence is not undercutting anyones message. He asks, what was 31 year old Romney’s views were regarding black, back in 1978. It was Romney who brought this on himself, by making a big show of his color blindness by telling that sob story about him pulling off the road and weeping with joy when his church in 1978 announced that it will no longer continue to be bigots. The new media was just happy to swallow that crock, just like it swallowed the crock about his relative dying of back alley abortion. O’Donnell is only asking the followup question, albeit 18 years later. Romney is a liar who makes SCAT to make a dramatic point of his sincerity, while he is nothing but a shyster.

  • catatonicjones

    Maher despises all religions and Mormonism is a religion. What makes you think you’re so special, should he rant about all religions except Mormonism?
    Whine, whine, whine, that’s all you religious idiots ever do, whatever religion.

  • SODDI

    Mormons are paranoid and weird: they always have been.

    That’s one of the markers for a cult.

  • Counterww

    I watched odonnels horsecrap. Pure political horse manure.

    Very transparent

  • SODDI

    Most Mormons aren’t going to vote for Obama anyway.

    He’s a N-E-G-R-O, and Mormons don’t like black people.

  • SODDI

    Romney is an opportunist and a chickensh*t. He has surrogates trying to slime Obama – surrogates like Orrin Hatch and Glen Beck.

    Yeah, thought we all forgot that Beck was a Mormon, didn’t ya?

  • Secular1

    Peaceman2, what in the O’Donnell’s rants do you find inaccurate? Is it his comment about good old Joe, turned you off? As you are a member of LDS, you perhaps are willing to drink the kool aid about Joseph Smith. Do you drink the kool aid served up about Mohammad, who married a per-pubescent girl, then bedded with one of his wives’ maid, and had his way with another young’n less than half his age, after killing her father & husband earlier in the morning?

    Or is it his comment about Romney’s feigning of his weeping in 1978, when the the living prophet had a telepathic message informing ya’ll that blacks are equal too? So O’Donnell wants to ask a follow up question on that fancy feigning of that liar Romney, who makes it a habit of making up some convoluted story to make his feigning all the more sincere. He did this when he wanted people to believe him to be believable on pro-choice front. He made up a relative who died of back alley abortion, and all. So you and all the Romney supporters want to support him, because he is an LDSer too, go ahead. But stop trying to convince us that Romney is a victim of bigotry. If anything that pondscum was silent all these three+ years when his ilk were on an unceasing innuendo of Obama is a muslim, and tacitly encouraging it. Then he himslef, recently started the innuendo that Obama is an atheist. That lying pondscum wants to make an issue of Obama being an atheist, but he protests against other bigots of his own party expressing bigotry against him? The statements he made about atheists are indeed unabashed bigotry. Stop lying and stop your innuendo.

  • peaceman2

    It is an odd thing, those who are not only drunken on the anti-Mormon “kool aid,” the dregs of hatred bigotry, but they pass it around, all the while calling the hated the hater, and the victim of their bigotry the bigot. This is the work of the new socialist, it doesn’t differ that much from your predecessors, those who would have stamped out religion last century. Led by the same “community” that promotes it today. The only differences are that you can’t kill us, and previously you began with Jews, then planned to move to Mormons and other Christians, now, your first order is to “destroy the Utah brand.”

    Of course you and I know that O’Donnell is dishonest, and bigoted. And that bigotry in your community is chronic.

    Still, you are met with a smile : ) and another : ) and I wish you well on all good things, but certainly not your dastardly plans of destruction for a religious minority.

  • peaceman2

    I have no ill will against anyone. I don’t really do politics. I try to understand all people.
    I am a Mormon, my family is racially mixed (Black, white, like Obama), I was happy to see him elected, and have supported him. However, as I have seen the bigotry promoted against my family (for their religion) I have opened my eyes to what the agenda is. It is a sad thing, that we finally have a Black president, and he has refused to speak a word against the bigotry against my family. Only the Utah Democrats have spoken out, as far as I know. I suppose this is because the bigotry is, in part, in an effort to reelect Obama. They all say “I didn’t do it, I didn’t do it” but they are doing it. They justify it many ways (“Republicans did it too,” “Abraham and Joseph Smith were polygamist” etc) but hating Mormons is hating.

    I know Republicans have done it also, but the Democrats have repeatedly claimed they will not smear Mitt’s religion, while they are doing it (even more than the far Right). Obama doesn’t have to say anything personally, his “camp” is doing all the work for him. The left has an army of trained full time internet commenting campaigners (especially gay activists and atheists, even though Obama is a Christian), most of the media sources (ABC is already blocking conservatives from commenting, we saw what MSNBC has been doing, Yahoo and CNN let anyone post ANYTHING disrespectful towards Mormons (the equivalent to burning our scriptures, and worse), etc etc.
    And, sadly, liberals seem much more hateful than the right wing extremists who have gone after Mitt on religion.

    If they have to stoop to this sort of thing, lying about the religion of another, then I can safely assume they have little else to offer.

    Obama has his pastors, but he also has many people such as O’Donnell, Maher, SODDI, Secular, etc etc, generally willing to mislead and outright lie. Liberal anti-Mormonism generally works through the media, and liberal activists are among the most vo

  • SODDI

    I’m not a liberal.

    But I remember when the Mormons would not allow black into their “priesthood” because blacks carried the “Mark of Cain”.

    That’s bigotry. I didn’t make it up.

    So you are lying in defense of your religion. Mormons seem to do a lot of that.

  • SODDI

    Utah is a theocracy.

  • peaceman2

    Yes, there was some racism in the LDS Church, but keep in mind that early LDS leaders were all converts from mainstream Christainity, where they picked up certain ideas.

    The anti-Mormon, in modern bigotry based on religion, tries to stir hatred against Mormons by accusing them of being more bigoted than others. This, even though your predecessors used to justify their hatred with statements like this:
    “As the promulgators of this extraordinary legend maintain
    the natural equality of mankind, without excepting the native Indians or the African race, there is little reason to be surprised at the cruel persecution by which they have
    suffered…”

    “The believers in this miserable production, are known
    by the name of “Mormonites,” and their book is commonly called “The book of Mormon.”…” Among them is a man of color, a chief man…”

    (Tone sound familiar? Same song (“mormons bad!!!”) different words : ))

    Joseph Smith had given priesthood to Blacks and Mormons were hated back then because he taught that Blacks were equal to whites, and even superior.

    Trying to stir hatred against Mormons today’s anti-Mormon twists statements. FAIR lds says this (They)”apparently hope that readers will judge the Church or its members or leaders harshly. This is a dangerous wish, since “For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again”

    There are reasons why we don’t hear much about infallible mainstream Christians with galleys full of slaves, praying that God would remove the curse of Ham from the “wretched Ethiopians in Central Africa,” or the racism that caused the enslavement and genocide of 100 million (while Brigham Young pronounced a curse on a certain race “If the Government of the United States, in Congress assembled, had the right to pass an anti-polygamy bill, they had also the right to pass a law that slaves should not be abused as they have been…For their abuse of that race, the whites will be cursed, unless they

  • Secular1

    Mr. Peaceman, quite an eloquent and emotional tome you have going there. As expected replete with innuendo, generalities, usual apologetics of mental sabbatical, on and on. We mister do not harbor any special animus for LDS, RCC, or any other denomination. This particular discussion is about LDS so you will read our comments directed towards LDS. Likewise Mr. Otterson’s comments relate to LDS exclusively you will see us taking his kool aid apart piece by piece. On other hand Mr. Hirschfield comments are more general and I support him when I agree with him, but often I dissect him and when the topic is about Judaism we take him apart limb by limb too. Mister I have been accused of bigotry by every denomination here but to no avail. I have never belonged to any of these denominations. I was born of Hindu parents, and I have been called a anti-semite by one Farnaz Mansouri, here on these pages and also foisted the accusation that I am a closet Hindu fanatic. That did not mean I have played soft with Hindu writers such as Asseem Shukla here, and have been accused of being anti-hindu too.

    The fact is all scripture is stupid, vile and filthy. The usual apologetics is our scripture is that way and we cannot help it. At the same time you also claim that filthy stuff guides us through everything and wear it as a badge of honor. Then you invite us to scrutinize you on basis of your scripture, if it is going to guide through every aspect of your life. I have asked you below about Mr. Romeny’s frivolous lying about why he wanted legal abortion (before he is against it now) with made up story about his relative. In the same way he made up a story of his weeping in 1978 after that living profit (sic) came back with the pronouncement on blacks. We want to ask him follow up questions on that. You did not address those issues, but accused me of bigotry, etc, etc.

    BTW the prohibition against blacks in LDS was instituted by BY after a black man William Mckay was laying the

  • Secular1

    Continued

    Then you have your great icon Orrin, who kept his mouth zipped up for the past 4 years through out the secret muslim, birther, Kenyan anti-colonial crap, but surfaces up about Mitt would tarred about his LDS connection? That old coot is facing tough primary so the sorry excuse for a human being comes up with this crap, to boost his bonafides as a bigot and we are not supposed to point that out? No mister, we are not going to accommodate to your sensitivities.

    Yes we point out to your past living prophets more that the fictionary characters of Moses and Abraham, that includes MO too. We do that often. Moses was a despicable character, that does not mean Joe wasn’t or MO wasn’t. If you want to defend them, please defend them, but stop accusing us of bigotry because you are ashamed of them, or perhaps you agree with them.

  • hrobert02

    More projection from the ultimate projectionists:, i.e., the Faux News filled sorry cast of characters known as the Republican Party.

  • mwpalmer

    Whoa Secular, I don’t know about you, but your words are certainly bigoted, in the purest sense of the word.

  • Secular1

    Peaceman2, there you go again, you never answer the questions. Instead you are claim O’Donnell is dishonest. I will concede that to take it of the table. Take Mr. Romney’s assertion that he pulled off the road, on that day in 1978 when Mormon church decided that they will stop discriminating against blacks in priesthood, and cried in joy. Well sir, Mr. Romney was 31 years old. We want to know what was Mr. Romney’s position on priesthood to blacks the day before the announcement? If he was against it because church was against it, I have a problem with that, and also would like to know why was he crying in joy, unless he thought the church was wrong all along. If he was for the priesthood, what did he do to change the situation vis-a-vis his church? Can you bring yourself to answer that question? Personally, I think Romney did not give it much thought about the situation, so did not do much about it. Probably like 95% of the whites back then. Not a big diss there. But your man does not say that, but goes out of the way and makes up crap like pulling off the road and weeping etc, etc. You call us bigots when we call him out on this. Not only that he claims his father was walking along sides with MLK Jr., when that was not at all true. I know this whole comment is a waste of my time, because you will not answer. Because you have nothing to say to counter the charge.

  • Secular1

    mwpalmer, why do you think my words are bigoted. Can you point to one sentence of my which is a misrepresenting the facts, or making up stuff? mwp, it is not enough to say my words are bigoted. Generally when I am disagreeing with you I quote your sentences and ary on them taking give my comments and take your sentences apart. I invite you to do the same. I can easily write a sentence saying you are a racists. Without me giving reasons for my claim, I am engaging in ad hominem. I am a scientist so feel compelled provide compelling evidence. Oh! well you guys are believers and people of faith, so you do not have any compunctions to support your claims with evidence. I understand that is your modus operandi, you cannot help it.

  • peaceman2

    Secular, I’m really not sure what you are saying, except that you hate Mormons and Mitt Romney, call him a liar, label my scriptures as vile, pass judgement on just about everyone, and then justify it with something like “I’m not a bigot, I hate others, too, not just Mormons…”
    I don’t think there is any science to hatred, it mainly consists of refusing to understand others.
    So, since you don’t really seem to have any questions, and you don’t really seem to have any beliefs to stand by, I guess there is no point in anything for you….right? If you want a question answered, you should be more specific, if you want to accuse me of something, or someone else of something, you should at least let us know where you stand (besides on a mountain of hate for everyone, except Obama I presume, who is much more of a dishonest flip-flopper than Mitt or anyone else (and, if you have proof that Mitt lied about something you might give a reference….for my claim, search “U-turn president” : ), hope you have a good day sometime, but you will have to let go of your hatred first… Mormons, Jews, etc are wonderful people, and there is no need for the kind of hatred you display.

  • Secular1

    Whoa, Peaceman You accusing em of hatred come on!!! Please do not try to put words into my mouth. I am quite capable of that. So stop prevaricating about me. I said all scripture is vile and filthy, I did not say that LDS scripture alone is. That statement you turned it into ” “I’m not a bigot, I hate others, too, not just Mormons…” “. Not only that but you put quotation marks around it to pass it on as my words. Shame on you!!! Anyone on this blog will be able to see how easily you have tried misrepresent me. Yes I did call your buddy Romney a liar, not because he is a mormon. I gave two clear examples of his lying not to speak about his lies where he asserted the Massachusetts health care law should be the template for national health care, he asserted that on three sunday shows, then he goes around now disowing those statements. My examples were his feigning his sincerity about his pro-choice stance back in 1994, and his feigning the story about his weeping in 1978. You could not counter those examples, even with simple perfunctory statements. Instead you chose to call me a bigot, so on and so forth.

    Let me ask you, do you believe in any of the stories in Koran, especially the one about birth of Jesus? If you do so, does it not mean that birth of Jesus in NT is wrong? Can you possibly believe in both? If you believe in the NT narration, why do you do so, over the Koranic version? I on the other hand do not believe either of them, because both of them are boat load of horse manure. These are books of fiction written by ignorant ancients. They venture to write about stuff they had no knowledge of, not only that they try to pass it off as the divine truth, to keep people from challenging them. So is all scripture including yours for that you accuse me of bigotry. You are eager to drink the kool aid about your tomes and not others, when both are pure fiction.

    Please in the future do not accuse people of bigotry, without citing examples. You accu

  • jimsteinberg1

    The great irony about arch-conservative Orin Hatch and his nonsense lies in the far-right evangelical wing — the now dominant wing — of his party looking on him as a soft moderate.
    To the wackos, moderates are “obviously” unreliable and probably unpatriotic.