Debunking Kirk Cameron’s Christianity

Since, I was too old to obsess over Mike Seaver, I never got caught up in the whole Kirk Cameron … Continued

Since, I was too old to obsess over Mike Seaver, I never got caught up in the whole Kirk Cameron switcheroo from teen idol to Christian activist. My first encounter with him occurred in 2007 when I caught a live taping of the first ever “Nightline Face Off.” During this episode, Cameron and evangelist Ray Comfort debated the existence of God with an atheist group called the Rational Response Squad (RSS). Very quickly this creationism v. evolution debate devolved to the point where I felt I was viewing a second rate sketch comedy group instead of an actual news program. 

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Actor Kirk Cameron, best known for his role as Mike Seaver in the television series ‘Growing Pains’, poses in Beverly Hills, California March 15, 2006. REUTERS/Fred Prouser

Hence, I find myself mystified that Piers Morgan would not treat Cameron as though he were a  credible and newsworthy guest but also feign surprise when Cameron proclaimed that “homosexuality” is “unnatural, detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization .” One would think that a news professional such as  Morgan would arrive on set equipped with the necessary background research needed to conduct an interview that will be seen by CNN’s international audience.  A quick Google search would have unearthed videos  like Comfort & Cameron’s Way of the Master series that contains a section on “How to Witness to Gays.” Their view of “homosexuality” proves to be more abrasive than the “love the sinner, not the sin” mantra espoused by Joel Osteen.

While former actor and born again Christian Stephen Baldwin thinks Cameron did “a great job,” other celebrities including his former Growing Pains’ co-stars Tracey Gold and Alan Thicke disagree. For those consider television celebrities to be a viable news source, most ‘80s era child stars favor LGBT equality.

As expected, religious right “pro family” groups quickly came to Cameron’s defense. For example, Tony Perkins from the Family Research Council, a group designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, cited a survey by the Alliance Defense Fund. in his quest to prove the majority of Americans believed that “marriage should be defined ONLY as a union between one man and one woman.” This data produced by an group that describes itself as “a servant organization that provides the resources that will keep the door open for the spread of the Gospel through the legal defense of religious freedom, the sanctity of life, marriage and the family” runs counter to the data produced by Gallup, a professional polling organization, that indicates the majority of Americans (53 percent) now support marriage equality.

When I survey the ensuring buzz generated by Cameron’s appearance, I wonder if Piers Morgan Tonight chose to troll for media attention and ratings by booking a guest with a propensity for sound and fury that really signifies nothing. Herndon Graddick, Senior Director of Programs at the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation) aptly notes how “Cameron seems even more dated than his 1980s TV character.” So no Morgan, your guest was not “brave” when he made his anti-gay remarks. Rather Cameron was simply repeating a well worn mantra that has as much relevance today as Pac-Man, parachute pants and pop rocks. 

As a counter to Cameron’s bigotry, why not check out the voices speaking out on sites like Believe Out Loud? Here one will find a rising tide of Christians speaking out in support of fulfilling the baptismal covenant whereby those who profess to follow Jesus Christ are to welcome all as full members of the body of Christ. This radical welcome includes granting  LGBT folks equal access to the same rights and rites granted to everyone else. 

  • dehar

    I notice that the author desires that Kirk Cameron would be tolerant, yet I notice no such tolerance from the author regarding the views of Kirk Cameron.

  • Julie361974

    This is ridiculous. I personally am on the fence on this issue anyway. I am a new Christian and I do not know enough about the Bible to really know what it is I believe. But, Kirk Cameron and anyone else in the United States has a right to their opinion. I think that far too many people are acting as if he has no right to say what he did. Of course he does, he has the freedom of speech, just like the rest of you have to make the comments you would like to make and say the things you believe or don’t believe in. It’s silly to argue whether or not he should or should not have said it. That is not the issue. He can say whatever he wants and you can agree or disagree with him all you want. That’s what our country and freedom is about.

  • Julie361974

    and may I add, I’m not really referring to this article in particular but to many of the comments made in response to this article and to others out there like it.

  • dwightmlee

    This article is such a blasted waste of space – who is this author anyway, and who does she think she is? You know nothing woman! Leave religious people alone to do their own thing and stay focused on debunking Hollywood, or the patriotism of politicians, or the neutrality of the media; and, as I said, leave people’s religion alone!

  • dwightmlee

    This article is such a blasted waste of space – who is this author anyway, and who does she think she is? You know nothing woman! Leave religious people alone to do their own thing and stay focused on debunking Hollywood, or the patriotism of politicians, or the neutrality of the media; and, as I said, leave people’s religion alone!

  • Secular1

    We will leave you religious people alone if you all crawl under a rock and stay there. If you do not force feed us your fairy tale fed filthy ethics and morality.

  • richarddrake

    IT is a small wonder why gays are driven out of Jesus’ love for them. Shame of self-righteous moralists in the name of religion, void of love and compassion .

  • rielle4

    @Secular1 – You’re not being forcefed anything. You just can’t stand that WE WON’T crawl under a rock and keep quiet. You never have to listen, you never have to believe, your problem is that you can’t get us to agree with you or shut up. I’m not surprised you have a problem with ethics and morality either.

  • rielle4

    This article is dishonest in its implication that Christianity has banned the lgbt community from following Christ or is now supportive of homosexuality. The Christian stance, from the overwhelming majority (not the ‘rising tide’ extreme minority) is that you can worship Christ and he loves you even if you sin and continue to sin. Homosexuality is a sin. What is nonsensical about this argument that Christians are hateful and bigotted, is that it ignores what is said, taught, and done, that you love the sinner.

  • rielle4

    Your comment is stupid. Your relationship with Christ has nothing to do with anyone else’s comments. Further, the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, and it says that Jesus loves you despite your sins. So why should the “self-righteous moralists” be ashamed of pointing out the rules of their religion that the ‘gays driven out…’ follow also? Why imply that they’re changing the rules to hurt them? Why do you ignore the part of the religion where it clearly says Jesus and his followers love you regardless of your sins?

    I don’t understand how smart and rational people, can be so dishonest in their arguments against the views of the devout as related to homosexuality. You clamour when they say homosexuality is a sin, but go deaf when they say they love homosexuals and Jesus loves homosexuals regardless.

  • Chip_M

    Love the bigot, hate the bigotry.

  • Chip_M

    Ever been to Red Lobster, rielle? The Bible also says that eating shellfish is an abomination. I’m going to guess you choose to ignore that part as outdated and absurd. Pity you can bring yourself to do the same with the equally outdated and absurd anti-gay bigotry.

  • Chip_M

    *pity you can’t

  • GCV1

    It is a shame when bigots use Christianity as a shield. It tarnishes the religion. Kirk Cameron is entitled to his opinion just as I am entitled to mine. But he is a bigot first, and a Christian second.

  • Counterww

    The point of the post is not bigotry. The point that rielle is making is that Christians cannot ignore sin or call what the world says is good , good.

    God’s plan is plain in the scriptures, and it homosexual unions is not in HIs plan.

  • Counterww

    Another stupid comment by Chip.

    In the New Testament, Paul talks about what to eat or not eat, and that some things should not be eaten in the company of others if they cause that person to sin. The shellfish comment is a red herring, pardon the pun. Homosexuality is called out in BOTH testaments as NOT in the plan of God. One woman and one man is THE plan. Under God , in a triune relationship.

  • edg16

    He is entitled to express his opinion, and I am entitled to say why I think it’s dumb.

  • jjlc125

    Becky Garrison’s column is nothing more than an attempted imposition of “political correctness” on Christianity.

  • jjlc125

    Condemning Kirk Cameron’s beliefs as “bigotry” contributes nothing to civilized debate of the issues.

  • juneannette

    Sadly, many professing Christians believe the lie advanced by some that embraced in Christ’s commandment to love thy neighbour, we are also obliged to condone sin? ? Nothing could be further from the truth! The command our Lord gave us to Love our Neighbour does not negate the plain texts throughout Scripture that relegate homosexual relations as both “unlawful” (2 Peter 2:8) and “unnatural” (Rom. 1:26-27) Such relations cannot be sanctioned, condoned, practiced and / or promoted by professing Christians. To attempt to argue for and legitimize such relationships as loving and therefore agreeable to God is to contradict God Himself! The Scriptures unequivocally define homosexuality / sodomy, along with all other forms of sexual immorality, as sin, and thus a transgression of God’s holy law! (See 1 Cor. 6:9-11; 1 John 3:4) Contrary to what some have wrongly been taught, the moral law has not been set aside. As Christ Himself said . . “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” (Matt. 4:4) Additionally, the command Christ gave his disciples to Love thy Neighbour must be understood in the context of the whole body of divinely revealed truth contained in the Scriptures. As the Apostle Paul has declared:
    “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” (II Tim. 3:16-17)
    The truth is not to be sacrificed under the guise of love, but rather we are exhorted to “speak the truth in love.” (Eph. 4:15, 25)
    In his 1st epistle, John, the beloved disciple of the Lord wrote these inspired words:
    “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” (1 John 5:3)

  • Chip_M

    If by “political correctness” you mean an aversion to narrow mindedness and bigotry I’d hardly call it an imposition. I’d call it justice.

  • Chip_M

    When people used to Bible to justify racism, slavery, and the subjugation of women, I suppose that wasn’t bigotry either? Society finally stood up en masse and said enough is enough, as it is again now. Kirk Cameron is a bigot.

  • LoyalReader

    “For example, Tony Perkins from the Family Research Council, a group designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, …”

    When a writer quotes an opinion by a left wing hate group like the Southern Poverty Law Center headed by the radical Morris Dees concerning a conservative organization you know that the balance of the article will be consideralby less than objective.

  • JustAthoughtt

    Agreed, this article was anything but objective

  • JustAthoughtt

    @June
    You make some good points here.

    The Bible is very clear that our number one priority should be to love and honor God.

    And how do we love and honor God? By following His words.

    Yes we are all sinners, but if we chose to love our sin more than we love God then how can we be His?

    If I eat meat every day… then how can I call myself a vegetarian… it just doesn’t make sense.

    When I lust after a person, I am sinning.

    Even though it is NATURAL and the WAY I WAS BORN, it is still a sin.
    Why? Because I am a Christian, and as a Christian, I believe the Bible to be the Word of God. And the Bible clearly states that lusting is a sin, it also clearly states that homosexuality is a sin.

    Struggling with sin (lust/homosexuality) is one thing, but embracing sin is something completely different!

  • TopTurtle

    LoyalReader,

    What exactly is your problem with the Southern Poverty Law Center? What have they done that you don’t like?

  • TopTurtle

    jjlc125,

    Many southern Christians in the 50′s and 60′s probably said the same thing about the imposition of racial integration on them. Is that the kind of company you want to keep?

  • juneannette

    By way of a postscript JustAthought . . . in that regard, Henry Morris, Scientist and Biblical Scholar had this to say:
    :
    “Christ clearly stated, “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17). He further warns against others annulling even the least of the commandments and inducing others to follow suit (Matthew 5:19). In fulfilling the Law, Christ actually intensified it by commanding that observance be from the heart, and not external ritual only.
    Christ, in His Sermon on the Mount, named specific Old Testament laws that He intensified by internalizing. For instance, it is not enough not to commit murder; it is equally imperative not to hate (Matthew 5:21-22). In similar fashion, He authenticated laws about adultery (5:27-28), divorce (5:31-32), taking oaths (5:33-37), giving alms (6:1-4), praying, (6:5-8), and fasting (6:16-18). Christ did not abrogate the Law; He showed that true observance must include internal as well as external obedience.
    Therefore, love of God and love of neighbors are the two greatest commandments, not because God has no other expectations from man, but because these other expectations cannot be fulfilled while man’s heart is rebelling against his Maker.”
    The situationist is prepared to suspend, ignore, or violate any principle if he feels he can show more love by its violation than by its observance. Such ethical absurdity clearly violates the Biblical representation of love: “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome” (I John 5:3).”

  • MikeBratton

    Becky, you might want to have a talk with your headline-writer. Your article debunked precisely nothing, and would more accurately have been titled “Pitching A Fit About Kirk Cameron’s Christianity.”

    Merely professing, ma’am, is not what the Bible says defines a Christian, but rather a profession of faith evidenced by obedience; since the Bible identifies homosexuality as one of a number of sexual sins, embracing any of them as a lifestyle while claiming to “profess[ing] to follow Jesus Christ” is disobedient, and cognitively dissonant. If you don’t believe me, read Matthew 7 and Luke 6.

    Obedience is the evidence of a genuine profession of faith in Jesus Christ. And that, Becky, appears to be a problem for you. I’m not one to judge, as you are, but it appears as if your own article has “debunked” any alleged profession of faith you might have made in the past. You might want to look into that.

    –Mike

  • TopTurtle

    Glad there are people like you around, Mike, to refute the idea the Christianity is harmless.

  • richarddrake

    His remarks on homosexuality has created spiritual and emotional holocaust among LGBT.

  • richarddrake

    Gays and lesbians do love and honor God but your comment has driven them out. You destroy their love and honor to God through rejection. Christians with holier-than-thou attitude has contributed
    emotional and spiritual holocaust among gays and lesbians (LGBT).

    Do not judge or you shall be judged. Think about it

  • richarddrake

    Scottin: You are naive. Homosexuality are not equated to justify as adultery and fornication. I know two women who loved and lived together for 56 years. They still are denied their right to marriage. To justify as adultery and fornication? Yes, I am so sick of seeing
    self-righteous christians prancing around with holier-than-thou attitude.

  • richarddrake

    Christians cannot ignore sin? Oh my gosh, they spew out of their orifice on others and they didn’t spew at their sins. Do not judge or you shall be judged. Centuries of translation and mistranslation, the bible often marginalizes and creates spiritual holocaust among women, LGBT and others. The bible is not entirely the word of God but a mere history. So, Jesus strongly emphasized all of us that we should not judge others or we shall be judged.

  • richarddrake

    rielle4: Whoa! Quit assuming that you know more about homosexuality. Let’s face that you know nothing about homosexuality. I know far more than you do on this issue because I am gay. Amen — Oh I kneel down and thank God and Jesus every morning, every noon and every night that I am gay. Must I live in a lie for your sake? Don’t live up to your expectations on others who think and live differently from yo in the name of bible (small letter “b”) Amen

  • richarddrake

    You asked us to shut up. WOW! You are just a pitiful Pharisee. What a pity!

  • richarddrake

    Kirk Cameron has the right to express his opinion but he has created emotional and spiritual rejection and holocaust to others who want to live a honest life. He merely wanted us to live in a lie in the name of religion. Do not judge or he shall be judged.

  • richarddrake

    Kirk Cameron has the right to express his opinion but he has created emotional and spiritual rejection and holocaust to others who want to live a honest life. He merely wanted us to live in a lie in the name of religion. Do not judge or he shall be judged.

  • juneannette

    Many professing Christians find the attitude within the homosexual community expressed toward those with whom they strenuously disagree both offensive and intolerant. Kirk Cameron has the same right to free speech as those who disagree with him. Christians are not obliged to sanction and/or approve conduct which is unarguably inconsistent with one who professes Christ. There are many within the Christian community, who stand in solidarity with Mr. Cameron and wholeheartedly support his bold and courageous stand for the truth . . myself included!
    Without question the Bible defines the practice of homosexuality as sin and upon it pronounces an unqualified censure.
    I refer you to Romans 1:18, 24, 26-27
    Christians are obliged to submit to the rule and authority of God’s Word in their lives.
    Quoting / citing God’s Word as the standard and ultimate authority in matters of faith and morals is agreeable to those who profess themselves to be Christians. Some homosexual activists will not be content until they succeed in relegating God’s Word to hate speech. And while those in the “gay community” are offended by God’s Word, we are yet at liberty to express our personal beliefs, as are you!

    The Homosexual Agenda has made tremendous strides in our day. Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity. The open hostility and animosity directed toward Christianity is captured in the following quote taken from the ‘Advocate’, which according to Google is ‘The World’s Leading Source for LGBT News’:

    EXCERPT:
    “The teaching that only male-female sexual activity within the bounds and constraints of marriage is the only acceptable form should be reason enough for any homosexual to denounce the Christian religion” (1).

    (1)Advocate, 1985.
    ********
    The voices of dissent expressed by those who have legitimate concerns in these matters must not be muted to acquiesce to those who are driving the agenda to normalize homosexuality.

    I am a Christian and for that I make no apol

  • TopTurtle

    Scott,

    I’m pointing out two things. First, Christian teaching on a variety of topics from slavery to women’s rights has changed over time. The Bible hasn’t changed for 2,000 years, so its silly to me to argue that the Bible’s teachings are absolute and change is just bowing to society.,

    Second, look at the company you keep when you oppose extending civil rights to other groups.

  • TopTurtle

    Tolerance for his views? What does that mean? She can’t say he’s wrong?

  • juneannette

    richarddrake . . No one is judging anyone. The ultimate expression of Christian love toward our neighbour is demonstrated when the Gospel is proclaimed truthfully.
    Repentance of sin is not an option and was the very command Christ began his ministry with. (Matt. 4:17)
    The purpose and intent of the Gospel is to convict us of our sin and show us our need for a Saviour. This is the work of the Holy Spirit. This is something of which I can speak experimentally. When Christ saves a man . . a woman . . from their sins, he becomes “a new creature in Christ” (II Cor. 5:17) and in His strength and by His grace they are enabled to turn from their sin (s), follow the Lord and live unto His praise and glory.
    There has been much in my life of which I have had to repent and many sinful practices which I have abandoned after my conversion. The tenour of my life has been completely transformed. Praise God . . such is the power of the Gospel! (Rom. 1:16) Thanks be to God . . the Lord Jesus Christ came to save “his people” from their sins, (Matt. 1:21) not leave them in them!
    The rite of passage for all mankind into the Christian religion is repentance of sins and faith in Jesus Christ. To do this we must know what constitutes sin. This God has revealed in His Word, along with the remedy as it is found in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
    You can choose to ignore the Scripture passages I have shared with you from God’s Word that speak directly to the sin of homosexuality, but that does not render them any less truthful. I can assure you I have sought only to share with you the “truth as it is in Jesus.”
    Those who have fallen prey to a flawed theology cloaked under a mantle of love that ultimately seeks to eliminate any distinction between good or evil, right or wrong, have embraced a lie and have been horribly deceived.
    Such things deserve your most thoughtful and prayerful consideration! May God be pleased to grant you both wisdom and discernment!
    I have endeavored by God’s g

  • ThomasBaum

    I suppose you are speaking of satan and his cohorts, aren’t you?

    Doesn’t it say something about the battle not being against flesh and blood but against…?

    Either Jesus is the Saviour of the world or He isn’t, which do you believe?

  • ThomasBaum

    Have you ever heard it said that Jesus took ALL of the sins of ALL of humanity upon Himself and that is what He took upon Himself at Calvary?

  • ThomasBaum

    If you believe that Jesus died for your sins and saved you and also extended the invitation to “Come follow Me” then being a Christian is to die for others, just as Jesus died for you.

    If the GOOD NEWS, which is what the word Gospel means, is not, ultimately, for ALL than it is not Good News at all but is horrific news.

    As it is written: My Ways are not your ways and My Thoughts are not your thoughts.

    It is sad that so many think that God is a loser, however, it is much sadder that many seem to want and hope for God to be a loser.

    Mighty Christian of people to want to go to heaven so bad that they don’t care if some or most or all of their brothers and sisters go to hell forever and ever and ever and ever… .

    Seems to be a pretty impotent and/or cruel and heartless god that so many think has created people that can get so “dirty” that god can not or will not clean them up.

  • ThomasBaum

    ScottinVA

    You wrote, “The primary sin of any person is that he rejects the lordship of Jesus Christ, which is in evidence by his refusal to obey His teachings and commandments.”

    Ever heard of or read what are referred to as The Beatitudes?

    Seems as if these are some of the teachings of Jesus and He sure “Blessed” many for quite a few things and said nothing about these “Blessings” being contingent on recognizing His Lordship, does He?

    God is NOT the egotistical maniac that so many seem to think God to be.

    See you ALL in the Kingdom, as it is written, “When I am lifted up, I will draw EVERYONE to Myself”, not big on details but very simple and direct on meaning.

  • ThomasBaum

    Many seem to put the bible above God.

    “Father forgive them, they know not what they do”, some seem to think that Jesus was merely speaking about and to those that were physically present at the time He said it and yet it is just as true today.

  • juneannette

    ScottinVA,

    Thanks for bringing this to my intention . . you are correct . . I meant “experientially”

    I appreciate your thoughtful contributions to this discussion and agree wholeheartedly with them.

  • ThomasBaum

    I have met God the Father and it seems as if you are in for quite a surprise when you meet God the Father.

    Jesus said, “Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world be cast out; and I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.”

    Doesn’t give all of the details but sounds like Jesus is letting us know that He will accomplish something on the cross and Jesus has been to the cross.

    Paul also said or wrote, “This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, the testimony to which was borne at the proper time. For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.”

    Granted, it is not overloaded with details but is very simple and to the point.

    Jesus did ask us to pray for: “Thy Will be done on earth as it is in heaven”, did He not?

  • ThomasBaum

    You seem to be saying that God “can clean” but “won’t clean”, is that correct?

    I am not saying that some will not take one of the detours but what I am saying is that God’s Plan, ultimately, is for ALL of God’s creation.

    As Jesus said, “When I am lifted up, I will draw EVERYONE to Myself”, He didn’t say that He would draw everyone to Himself while they were still breathers but He did say that He would draw everyone to Himself.

    God-Incarnate, in going to the cross, won the “keys” to the detours and will use them in due time, God’s Time.

  • ThomasBaum

    Don’t you think of God the Father as Dad, just as Jesus told us to?

    I have met God the Father and guess what, just as I was taught in second grade, God really is a Being of Love, Love is not an attribute of God but is God’s Very Being.

    I, personally, can not conceive of Love as being a Being, it is only thru actually meeting God the Father that I “know” it is true.

    Don’t you think of Jesus as your Brother?

    By becoming One of us, Jesus became the Brother of ALL of us.

    By the way “Fear of the Lord” means reverence and awe, it has absolutely nothing to do with being afraid.

    You wrote, “Do you really think you can approach Him so cavalierly and be accepted of Him?”

    You do not have a clue about how I “approached” God but ultimately, it was God’s Doing in our very “personal meeting”.

    Jesus was God but He was also Human, is it your opinion that Jesus spoke of the Father “cavalierly”?

    Seems to me that Jesus spoke of the Father in what some may construe as “cavalier” but wasn’t it Jesus, Himself, Who said we should think of God the Father as ABBA which translates as Dad or Daddy?

  • ThomasBaum

    And that “word” is LOVE, seeing as God Is a Being of LOVE, Pure Love.

  • ThomasBaum

    God’s Mercy and God’s Justice are so intertwined as to be One.

    As far as “What I clearly stated is that God will not violate our free will in cleaning up those who refuse the service”.

    Ever thought that our “free will” just might end at death, physical death that is?

    As far as “Your great error is in your view of a holy, separate, perfect, God, who gave up the splendor of heaven to become a man capable of taking the punishment for mankind’s violations of His holiness. He allowed Himself to be cruelly tortured and abused by His own creatures, and to have the sins of all humanity throughout all of history placed upon his innocent soul. Worst of all, He was separated from the Father for the first time in eternity.”

    God created the “splendor of heaven”, as you put it and the splendor of the new heavens and the new earth could just be what “eye has not seen, ear has not heard”, and as it is written, “My Ways are not your ways and My Thoughts are not your thoughts”.

    Since you said, “He allowed Himself to be cruelly tortured and abused by His own creatures, and to have the sins of all humanity throughout all of history placed upon his innocent soul”, do you think that He did all of this in vain?

    You also said, “He was separated from the Father for the first time in eternity”, think maybe that God cared for all this much for no reason that to have “justification” for someone to be in torment for ever and ever and ever and ever… ?

    Simple question: we are suppose to forgive everyone, do you think that God asked us to be more forgiving than God?

    Could be the “lake of fire” is God’s ultimate cleaning apparatus.

    I look past heaven to the new heavens and the new earth which is clearly mentioned in the bible and this “new heavens and new earth” will arrive with the dawning of the seventh day, Jesus did say that “My Father has been busy even until now” and it is written “On the seventh day God Rested…. .”

    See you in the Kingdom, the new heavens and the new earth.

  • jeemarenshaw

    What is worse, voluntary homosexual acts or abusing children (sexually or otherwise)? If these “preachers” of morals want to be outraged about something, be outraged about something that is truly detrimental and ultimately destructive – child abuse, neglect, and abondonment! “Detrimental,” and “ultimately destructive” – I read and hear this statement, but why do I not hear or read anything immediately following this statement, or why does not the interviewer ask “how is homosexuality detrimental and ultimately destructive?”. AIDS? Avoidable and controllable just as diseases caused by heterasexual sex. Michelle Bachmann famously said that homosexuality is bondage. More bondage-like than child rape? Me thinks people “protest too much” about things for which they do not, or cannot, backup with facts. Could it be that the objection is simply a personal abhorrence? I find it compelling that Mr. Cameron is desperately eager (almost imperative-like) to throw in, indeed publicly repeat at every opportunity, the fact that he has six children (and a wife). Interesting, but give us some reasons for your “thesis”. Mr.Cameron, me thinks you protest too much!

  • Pastor_Bob7

    Becky Garrison’s article is about the most pro-gay and pro-LGBT article I have read. It contains very little objective input and mostly her opinion of Mr. Cameron. It gets even more extreme when it labels the Family Research Council as a hate group! That is the complete opposite of what that organization is all about.
    Like KIrk Cameron, I love all people through Christ, even Becky Garrison.

    May God bless you and keep you,

    Pastor Bob
    North Carolina

  • Pastor_Bob7

    Becky Garrison’s article is about the most pro-gay and pro-LGBT article I have read. It contains very little objective input and mostly her opinion of Mr. Cameron. It gets even more extreme when it labels the Family Research Council as a hate group! That is the complete opposite of what that organization is all about.
    Like KIrk Cameron, I love all people through Christ, even Becky Garrison.

    May God bless you and keep you,

    Pastor Bob
    North Carolina

  • Pastor_Bob7

    Jesus is indeed the Prince of Peace. You either can “condemn Him as a liar and a lunatic or proclaim Him as the Son of God.” (C.S. Lewis) Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one come unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6) Accept Jesus as your Savior and repent of your sins now. Tomorrow may be too late. “You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.”

  • Pastor_Bob7

    @richarddrake, We love all people but we cannot condone sinful behavior as an alternative lifestyle. The scripture say, “Jude not that you be not judged for by the same manner you judge, you will be judged.” We will all be judged and I am not judging my brother when I simply stand on the Word of God and what it clearly articulates in Romans 1.
    I do love all people in Christ but I love them enough to tell them the truth.
    “Speak the truth in love, my friend.”

    In Christ Alone,
    Pastor Bob
    NC

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