Ron Paul: Birth control pill doesn’t cause immorality

“But sort of along the line of the [contraception] pills creating immorality, I don’t see it that way. I think … Continued

“But sort of along the line of the [contraception] pills creating immorality, I don’t see it that way. I think the immorality creates the problem of wanting to use the pills. So you don’t blame the pills.”

Ethan Miller

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Republican presidential candidate, U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) appears on stage during the national anthem at a debate sponsored by CNN and the Republican Party of Arizona at the Mesa Arts Center February 22, 2012 in Mesa, Arizona.

-Ron Paul, addressing questions about the morality of contraception at CNN’s Arizona debate, Feb 22, 2012.

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  • WeatheredAmerican

    I think Dr. Paul’s right, I for one believe birth control is like a vasectomy, And I feel way better knowing I wont be bringing anymore Children into this f’ed up world As far as morals go…

  • rrrhornsby

    Ron Paul is right. Contraception does not cause immorality. That’s like saying trees cause fires. Trees don’t cause fires, but they can burn.

  • namaste4

    Guns kill people, pens/pencils write by them selves and birth control pills CAUSE immorality…….2+2=5…..ahhhhhh it is all so clear now…..thanks to my Soma!!!!! Go NWO!!! GO Goldman Sachs!!!!!! MItt Obmney for President!!!

  • info4

    As much as the Democrats and the moderate Republicans hate to think of it, Ron Paul is the comprimise candidate. He wants to cut domestic and military spending. He fights against big spending Republicans as much as big spending Democrats. He understands birth control pills don’t cause the problems in society just as guns don’t cause the problems in society. It is society that causes problems and both birth control pills & guns are a biproduct of socety’s ills. Santorum blames birth control pills just like Clinton blamed guns. Ron Paul is the smartest man in the race. The status quo hate him because he speaks the truth and that really does scare them.

  • Rynosaur

    I probably wouldn’t say guns are a bi-product of society’s immorality. They are just products from a company. The bi-product of society’s immorality would be a person wanting to do something bad with the gun. But otherwise concur fully with your comment.

  • persiflage

    I say vote for Ron Paul – keep republicans out of the Whitehouse. And yes, we all know that humans are the problem……..such wisdom!

  • tomasmart1

    What’s so hard to understand about this?

    First… Dr. Paul was an Ob/Gyn. He should know something about this issue.

    Second… He was basically saying to the other candidates that you can’t regulate morality.

    Third … Anyone he does any research on Dr. Paul knows that he is for the legalization of marijuana and alternative medicine. As a doctor and libertarian he would not impose a restriction on an individual’s rights to use pills for contraception.

    Fourth… It is fairly obvious that he was using “morality” to make a point to his audience (mostly Republicans) that people are the ones who make choices. Anyone who has ever listened to what Dr. Paul says, would know that he is strongly opinionated that the government should allow people to make their own choices within the confines of the law.

    Fifth (and final)… Ron Paul is absolutely right in his assessment that some people use these pills to live a life that many would call “immoral.” Of course, those “many” are mostly Republicans (and Christians). Democrats and atheists would be inclined to believe that any kind of sex (whether it is same sex or with animals) is not immoral, so they could take offense to the remark about morality. Oh well, you can’t please everyone. But, take heart. Ron Paul will not regulate morality like Santorum (and others) would.

  • persiflage

    ‘ Democrats and atheists would be inclined to believe that any kind of sex (whether it is same sex or with animals) is not immoral, so they could take offense to the remark about morality.’

    Now that is an exceedingly stupid and spiteful comment – but I suppose you imagine yourself to be a Christian………what a pompous fool.

  • evrythin1

    ah, I just read two very intelligent posts.

  • ccnl1

    The real issue:

    FIRST-YEAR CON-TRACEPTIVE FAILURE RATES

    Percentage of women (men?) experiencing an unintended pregnancy (a few examples)

    Method……………..Typical

    Pill (combined)……… 8.7
    Tubal sterilization ……0.7
    Male condom ……….17.4
    Vasectomy…………… 0.2

    Periodic abstinence.. 25.3 (RCC approved)
    Calendar 9.0 (RCC approved)
    Ovulation Method 3.0 (RCC approved)
    Sympto-thermal 2.0 (RCC approved)
    Post-ovulation 1.0 (RCC approved)

    No method 85.0″ (RCC approved and important to women and men wanting to get pregnant)

    (Abstinence) 0 (RCC approved)

    (Masturbation) 0

    Followed by:

    Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country “ain’t” going to help a “pro-life” presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, Newton Leroy Gingrich, Ron Paul or Rick Santorum, in 2012 as the “Immoral Majority” rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The “Immoral Majority” you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million “Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers” of aborted womb-babies” whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million “IM” voters in 2012.

    2008 Presidential popular vote results:

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for “pro-life” JM.

    And the irony:

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the “Stupid Majority”?)

    The failures of the widely used birth “control” methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and STDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and STDs.

  • josephle2k

    We must recapture what it means to be free. By this we need not all become policy wonks, waste our time studying the details of this or that political initiative or sector of life. We need to form a new approach to thinking about society and government, one that imagines that we can get along without such central management…

    We need to become more tolerant of the imperfections that come with freedom and we need to give up the illusion that somehow putting government in charge of anything is going to improve its workings, much less bring on utopia…

    We need to come to see government as it is, not as we wish it to be and not as the civics books describe it. And we need to surrender our attachments to government in every aspect of life. This goes for the right and the left. We need to give up our dependencies on the state, materially and spiritually. We should not look to the state to provide for us financially or psychologically…

    Let us give up our longing for welfares, our love of wars and our desire to see the government control and shape our fellow citizens. Let us understand that; it’s far better to live in an imperfect world than it is to live in a despotic world ruled by people who lord it over us through force and intimidation…

    We need a new understanding of what it means to be a great nation; it should mean, as George Washington said that our nation is a beacon unto the world not that we conquer the world militarily impose our will on everyone or even remain number one in the GDP rankings…

    Our sense of what it means to be great Must First be Defined by Morality…

    We must come to imagine Liberty again and believe that it can be a reality. In order to do this, we don’t need songs, slogans, rallies, programs or even a political party. All we need is access to good ideas, some degree of idealism and the courage to embrace the Liberty so many great people of the past have embraced…

    Liberty built civilization. It can rebuild civilization. And when the tides turn and t

  • amie_2

    Sexual immorality/morality is not the most important issue today people. The US economy and the threat of our national security NEED to be dealt with foremost.

    http://www.bluerepublican.com The last time I checked elephants and donkeys get along just fine (thanks national geographic). Don’t let the parties divide us with these nonpriority issues like abortion. You know —thats what the establishment wants. Keep us divided because if we were to come together they would be out of a job. Ha!

    IMHO Ron Paul, a constitutionalist, brings us together which is not surprising since the Constitution itself brings us together. I encourage people to take a step back and re-evaluate yourselves. Be your own sluth for truth— vote accordingly then we wouldn’t be a poor, weak, divided nation that no one recognizes as United anymore.

  • persiflage

    You’re already free – you apparently don’t know it. The minute you do away with ideology and belief systems, you’re a free human.

    Day to day is all anyone has – and all they have ever had.

  • candle1

    Attitudes like Ron Paul’s about reproductive rights are a byproduct of the rightwing’s ills. No, they’re the cause of the rightwing’s ills.

  • candle1

    What does being an Ob have to do with becoming an arbiter of what reflects or creates morality?

  • Fivel

    All that counts is RP supports your right to use birth control pills in a free society, and is against forcing someone to dispense it if they choose not to.
    Freedom! It’s beautiful. It’s the constitution.

  • Fivel

    All that counts is RP supports your right to use birth control pills in a free society, and is against forcing someone to dispense it if they choose not to.
    Freedom! It’s beautiful. It’s the constitution. We don’t choose kings to enforce ideas onn people, we choose a leader to protect our freedom to have ideas

  • Fivel

    All that counts is RP supports your right to use birth control pills in a free society, and is against forcing someone to dispense it if they choose not to.
    Freedom! It’s beautiful. It’s the constitution.

  • tomasmart1

    Is it really a stupid comment? Check it out. Most Democrats support same-sex marriage. So, my point was that they would be “inclined” to not think it is immoral.

    Why do you think I was being pompous? I was just stating a fact.

    And atheists don’t normally adhere to the same moral standards as Christians, so my comment stands as written. My apologies if I offended you. I based my comment on all of the Democrats and atheists who I know (family and friends) who may draw the line at animals, but definitely have no qualms about same sex marriage and do not deem it immoral.

  • Scrammy

    candle1 “Attitudes like Ron Paul’s about reproductive rights are a byproduct of the rightwing’s ills. No, they’re the cause of the rightwing’s ills. ”

    Ron Paul’s attitude about reproductive rights might have something to do with the fact that he’s an obstetrician who delivered thousands of babies.

    He understands that a society that doesn’t just condone, but at times seems to encourage ending lives is a society that might be slightly ill.

    Legally speaking, reproductive rights are one thing. The attitude that abortions are good things is something altogether different.

    Once again, I think people spend too much time arguing the symptoms of a greater condition.

    The condition is the extreme polarization of approaches to sexual education.

    Parents should be more involved in their children’s lives, and they should teach them about waiting until they’re mature enough for sex. When they’re ready, wrap it up!

  • persiflage

    ‘And atheists don’t normally adhere to the same moral standards as Christians’………………

    That is a mightly peculiar observation and entirely without grounds – please do produce some evidence for this statement. Do you think that morality is dictated by religious beliefs? On the contrary, it’s dicated by membership in a particular culture – and by virtue of being raised as a human. Moral behavior and offenses against behavioral codes are a fundamental part of the legal, law-driven structure in any society.

    I suspect you’ve never met an atheist, and yet the majority of scientists and a host of diverse intellectuals and subject matter experts the world over are atheists…..many in this highly select group are democrats in the USA.

    Same sex marriage is only a ‘moral’ issue if you subjectively are offended by it – it’s a personal value judgement often supported by one’s religious beliefs.

    Sex with animals is considered to be disordered, deviant behavior the world over, and is usually not considered an essential part of one’s political preferences.

  • jessebunny

    How is that Ron Paul was the only one of the four that answered this idiotic question. Santorum was the creator of this issue yet he managed to dodge this issue as well as did Romney and Gingrich. Amazing!

  • jessebunny

    Santorum was the one who started this atack on womens health and he couldn’t even finish it! Shame on him!

  • jessebunny

    I think asprin makes us immoral! Can we get on with our lives now. You have the real answer to immortality. Don’t take asprin. How about we worry about how we’re going to create jobs, or make it so the poor in this country don’t get poorer, or see that our seniors have medicare, or GOD FORBID HOW ABOUT WE ADDRESS OUR IMMORTALITY REGARDING OUR MURDEROUS WARS!

  • amelia45

    No, we choose the modern substitute for kings, business owners, and that includes religious institutions. What the Catholic Church wants and what the GOP will create is a work place in which the bosses can coerce or require employees to live by the boss’ faith. Oh, the employees don’t have the change faiths, they just have to live by the tenets of a faith that is not their own.

    There is a role for government in setting minimum standards of coverage in health insurance. That is the best kind of consumer protection. Individual religious freedom is in the individual choosing to make use of a legal prescription drug if that individual, in consultation with her doctor, determines that is what is best for her health.

    Now, whether that should be a no cost is certainly debatable. Whether if should be in – or if there should even be – a national health care plan is also debatable. But what we ought not to try to debate is coverage under health insurance of contraceptives that are used by over 90% of women at some time during their child bearing years.

  • amelia45

    I agree. Ron Paul looked like a sane and intelligent person. Not the first time. There are other ideas he has with which I don’t agree, but he is, at least, not one of the crazy ones.

  • amelia45

    My choice of whether or not and when to have children and how many to have. My choice in how to manage that and how to assure my own health in the mean time.

    The decision is one made by the married couple. If not married or if there is disagreement with a spouse, the decision is made by the woman whose womb is involved.

  • egadsno1

    He also supports retroactive contraception like the morning after protocol.

  • egadsno1

    @persiflage You severely lack understanding of the extent of implications of true freedom. When the govt inflates the currency and destroys the value of the money you earn and saved for a rainy day- that is not free, and it certainly is not freedom. You can ignore reality and live in a bubble all you like- that does not mean you are free.

  • ccnl1

    Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:
    (in case you did not click on See More)

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country “ain’t” going to help a “pro-life” presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, Newton Leroy Gingrich, Ron Paul or Rick Santorum, in 2012 as the “Immoral Majority” rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The “Immoral Majority” you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million “Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers” of aborted womb-babies” whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million “IM” voters in 2012.

    2008 Presidential popular vote results:

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for “pro-life” JM.

    And the irony:

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the “Stupid Majority”?)

    The failures of the widely used birth “control” methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and STDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and STDs.

  • ccnl1

    Only for the newbies:

    Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country “ain’t” going to help a “pro-life” presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, Newton Leroy Gingrich, Ron Paul or Rick Santorum, in 2012 as the “Immoral Majority” rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The “Immoral Majority” you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million “Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers” of aborted womb-babies” whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million “IM” voters in 2012.

    2008 Presidential popular vote results:

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for “pro-life” JM.

    And the irony:

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the “Stupid Majority”?)

    The failures of the widely used birth “control” methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and STDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and STDs.

  • persiflage

    eg – I don’t severely lack anything. Freedom is a state of mind and a condition of your perception. It is not a set of political or economic circumstances. As an individual you can’t change anything but yourself. The best politician is the one that does the least amount of harm…….unfunded, preemptive wars and a run-away ‘free market’ economy driven by greed and lacking in crucial government oversight is the culprit that you speak of.

    Alan Greenspan, the previous Fed Chief and alleged devotee of Ayn Rand, is one of the major offenders.

  • persiflage

    ‘Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:’

    There are many reasons, but mainly because the nation was set up as a secular democracy rather than a theocracy – that’s why religion shouldn’t matter at all when it comes to holding high political office. Those that say it should are not fit to govern in this country, because they fail to understand founding principles.

    A good initial test of a potential candidate’s qualification for POTUS would be to ask this question:

    Would they make a good Secretary of State? Can they adequately represent the needs, goals, values, and general philosophy of this country to the rest of the world, and in particular our allies? Anyone pushing religion should be immediately disqualified on that basis alone.

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