Conservative Christian reaction to Norway killings

 Two threads seem to be emerging from conservative Christians writing about the Norway killings: Anders Behring Breivi wasn’t really a … Continued

 Two threads seem to be emerging from conservative Christians writing about the Norway killings: Anders Behring Breivi wasn’t really a Christian, and he has a point about the danger of Muslim immigration. 

Those two points are being made everywhere from The New York Times’ OpEd page to the American Family Association (AFA)

 

As usual at The Washington Post, we’re interested foremost in the political implications, and in what seems to be a pattern, GOP presidential players are speaking sparingly about Islam. That was true for the Muslim center near Ground Zero, Congressman Peter King’s hearings on Muslim radicalization, the relationship between mosque and state in post-revolution North Africa, and now, on the musings of Norwegian mass-murderer Anders Breivik. 

This time it’s Texas Gov. Rick Perry, reportedly a likely presidential candidate, who declined today to engage on comments by AFA leader Bryan Fischer, who writes that while Breivik’s use of violence was wrong, much of his “analysis of cultural trends in Europe and the danger created by Islamic immigration and inflitration is accurate … Breivik’s angst was caused by the presence of so many Muslims in Norway and Europe, which he correctly observes is leading to ‘cultural annihilation.’”

Perry is partnering with the AFA Aug. 6 to put on a prayer rally that the governor says is about the need during this trying era for Americans to “come together and call upon Jesus.”  

Asked today whether he agrees with Fischer’s warning about the dangers of Islam, Perry didn’t directly address the question, saying only in a statement e-mailed to the Post that he “believes there is no justification for such a horrendous act of violence.” 

A few days ago I asked Mark DeMoss, evangelical strategist and advisor to Mitt Romney, how prominent he thinks the subject of Islam would be during the campaign, and he said he doubted it will make the “short list” of top issues.

Yet some experts on radicals like Breivik are warning anew this week about what they see as the dangers of leaving anti-Islam rhetoric unaddressed in the political mainstream. Heidi Beirich of the Southern Poverty Law Center today said that chatter going on on far-right Web sites paints Breivik as either a hero or a victim of a set-up (or both).

Perhaps by nature of his office, President Obama has much more of a track record of speaking in real-time about hot-button issues regarding Islam.

Do you think that GOP contenders need to be a lot clearer on all this?

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  • tag3

    oh yes. I think all Republicans should be a lot clearer on their intent to be Crusaders or not. We should know if we are electing hidden members of Breivik’s Knight’s Templar. Exactly how widespread is this form of Christian extremism?

  • WmarkW

    Like the dog-biting analogy, “Black man wanted in robbery” and “Muslim commits terrorism,” aren’t news.

  • shanti2

    If it was and is legitimate to ask Muslims to speak out against terrorists who claim to be Muslim, it is equally legitimate to ask Christians, and those who claim to be Christians, to speak out against Christian terrorists. To give half hearted condemnation to the abominable acts of a misguided Norwegian who claims to be defending Christian culture, and at the same time legitimize his motives is pure hypocrisy.

  • Kickthemnout

    ‘Senatum deliberatur, Segundum espugnatur” One of the most famous of ancient Rome quips about ignoring real danger while engaging in unproductive discussions. Demographics are in favor of islam, the socialist goverment in Europe have for decades denigrates nationalism as fascist in nature, thereby allowing foreign and non integrating cultures to seep in like choking weeds in their proud and civilized cultures. Like the RED BRigades used to say about themselves in Italy’Not all Italians drink Chianti while eating pasta”. This tragedy should remind those pseudo left intellactuals in Scandinavia, that the closer people are to their roots the more violently will rebel against this “Laissez faire’ imbedded in the minds of today’s “Progressive(?)” Goverments around the West. Their current policies of fearful indiffferece to the real menace are a failsure recipe for more of the same to come in the future.

  • kentuckywoman2

    The REDS will never be clear on anything – their role is to obfuscate the truth, period. As far as this guy being a real Christian, well, that’s all relative, isn’t it? We have fundamentalists in our country, too, and I don’t consider them to be “real” Christians. These people would probably crucify Christ today if He were to walk among us, saying he was a “liberal” and bent on destroying our country!

    But, I do agree with this guy that Muslims are a huge problem. They do not assimilate; they demand concessions from any society in which they live. I do think they are a real danger to any country to which they emigrate because they will never be part of that country. If one buys into the Armageddon bit, you know it will be between Muslims and Christians, in particular, but other religions too, I suspect.

    I personally think that all countries should just adopt a law that says that if Muslims emigrate to their land, they must abandon their Sharia ways, jihads, and their archaic dress and barbaric customs (like stoning to death women who compete in beauty pageants). That means no veils, no long robes, etc. I think France has some similar laws to that.

    I’d go even farther. I would ban Muslims from congregating in large numbers in public places, and require permits for large gatherings like weddings, etc., complete with security guards which they must pay for. I don’t trust any of them anymore.

  • hcyrus2

    I very much agree. Now, let’s have the same rules for our Mexican and Guatamalan illegal alien unwanted “guests”. In fact, lets go a step further. Load them in sealed trains and ship them to southern Mexico. Let them off and then blow up the trains. These “people” overstayed their welcome decades ago.

  • cornbread_r2

    kentuckywoman2:

    So, the best way to encourage people to assimilate is to treat them like dangerous second-class citizens? Brilliant!

  • YEAL9

    For posting on all refrigerator doors:

    SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:
    THERE NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR.

    SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
    THERE WAS AND NEVER WILL BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY AND HOPEFULLY NO MORE CRAZIES LIKE BRIEVIK.

    SAVING 15.5 MILLION ORTHODOX FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:
    ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.

    Added details upon request.

  • vickie105

    I wonder if Christ would tell them to go home and steal no more.

  • vickie105

    We’ve got the same problem here with money buying our politicians to turn on the citizens of the USA. Mexican Cartel money speaks in this country all the way to the White House.

  • jhimmi

    Another thread that is emerging: Which anti-Islam blogger inspired him to murder scores of native, white, Norwegians?

  • TopTurtle

    I believe we do have laws forbidding the stoning of female beauty pageant contestants.

  • TopTurtle

    Kick,

    I think Norway is doing pretty well without your advice. They’re consistently at the top of standard of living rankings.

    You’re making Breivi out to be some sort of hero. That’s disgusting and should give you ample reason to reconsider your thinking.

  • peterhuff

    Hi Kentuckywoman2,

    What do you considerer a real Christian to be and are you one? If not a Christian or you have no belief in an absolute authority then what constitutes right in your opinion, those in power or each to his own? Either of the last two options cannot be justified, for they have nothing but ‘might makes right’ to stand on.

    Unless there is an absolute, objective, ultimate, unchanging authority, that your ideal of ‘right’ matches, why should what you believe (or anyone for that matter) be what others ‘should’ believe?

    This is a major problem with humanity, each person, each fringe group, each culture wants to impose their ideas/ideals on others without being able to justify why they are actually right.

    That is why the God of Christianity is necessary for morality to be made sense of as anything more than might makes right.

  • SODDI

    Can we do the same for Baptists?

  • GoldenGlider

    In 1978, when my wife and I returned from the Middle East after two years, I realized that Islamic culture was largely incompatible with the USA and that to allow Muslims into the USA would be a bad idea. My conclusion did not rest on “Muslims are bad people” but on Cultural Differences. My wife did have some experiences in Saudi Arabia and the Emirates which may count as “muslims are bad people.” But those are her stories. I was in Norway for about 35 days a few years ago visiting our son and my great grand parents birthplace. The Norwegian politicians who brought Muslims into Norway in spite of the wishes of the citizenry were foolish but of course the Norwegian politicians will not admit to their profound idiocy.

  • TMforThinkingman

    If Ms Kentucky would actually get to know a Muslim family she would be replete to find that Muslims are generally more attuned to the “American ideal” of being truly representative citizens of this democracy. For what you categorize as a “demand” is quite simply the opposite of what you claim as a “right” Examples abound such as modesty in dress vs scantily clad and nearly nude. Up front and honest marital relationships that give the less desirable excess females the hopes and rights to be married vs affairs, prostitution adultery and fornication. Shunning and not endorsing homosexuality vs gay rights.

    It never ceases to amaze me how non-Muslims get a hold of a word and/or concept and totally obfuscate the meaning. Jihad and sharia immediately come to mind; and the process of totally ignoring what explains the current greater good vs the historical record of an event. Jihad means struggle, and not holy war as NO war is holy. The jihad of ones’ self is the greatest jihad of them all! Sharia is a set of rules which westerners attribute the Hudud ( hood-dude) that is the law set down by the Qur-an (not Koran as there is no vowel “o” in Arabic, thus Moslem, Mohammad, Mosque [actually a word conjured up by Spain meaning pesky mosquitoes] are incorrect. These Quranic injunctions of stoning the adulterer (as opposed to lashing the fornicator) the cutting off of the hand of a thief for serious theft. (No cutting of the hand of a man who steals food as this sin falls on the community for not providing) are not even practiced in Muslim countries so pray tell how this would usurp the Constitution here? Most of the heinous acts are misguided customs not part of Islam.

    Whatever happened to the Quranic injunction of whoever saves a life is as if he saved all of humanity. You see dear lady when the Prophet asked God for an question, the answer would often start with a verse of the Quran e.g. “they ask you about the warriors who are battling you?” the next verse would an

  • thomasmc1957

    I’m still waiting for Christian leaders to apologize for this horrendous terrorist attack.

    After all, that’s what they demanded from Muslim leaders, after 9/11.