An Ashura for all Muslims

When the Prophet Muhammad and his people moved to Madinah, they found the Jewish tribes there fasted in remembrance of … Continued

When the Prophet Muhammad and his people moved to Madinah, they found the Jewish tribes there fasted in remembrance of their ancestors being succored from Egypt and Pharaoh — Yom Kippur, or the Day of Atonement. Muhammad said that Muslims too remember and are grateful for God’s blessing on Moses and his people, and so Muslim began fasting on the day of Ashura as well.

A second occasion of remembrance for Muslim is the slaughter of the Prophet’s grandson, Hussein, when he challenged the legitimacy of Muawwiya as the fifth caliph of the Muslim world. This is a major holiday for Shi’a Muslims – a day of remembrance and mourning.

Both of these reasons for commemorating Ashura offer us opportunities for reconciliation. Celebrating the blessings of God on Moses and his people brings Jews and Muslims together. Remembering and mourning the murder of the Prophet’s grandson, and the tragic devolution of our community into political infighting so very soon after the Prophet’s death, can serve as an occasion to bring Sunnis and Shiis together as well.

The common history that Muslims and Jews share can act as a catalyst to discussions on how our two peoples can build a future together — exploring how we can work together to combat the twin threats of Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia and how we can build bridges in Israel/Palestine to resolve the conflict in that part of the world.

Similarly, all Muslims should mourn the death of the Prophet’s grandson in such a horrific manner. By expressing that we too are hurt and outraged at the way he was killed, Sunni Muslims could go a long way to smoothing relations with our Shi’a brethren.

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  • AKafir

    What Rubbish. It is a political fight for power in the ruling arab family who were winning an empire that was to destroy many ancient civilisations and kill millions. Why don’t you talk about the horrific deaths and torture of the Kafirs caused by the barbaric butchers you mourn?

  • Secular

    Oh! So Yazid was a tyrant? The Sunni/Shia schism is just another blood feud between Ali’s family and the one time nemesis of MO Abu Sufiyan. It is the whiner Ali had never gotten along with MO’s other followers, including his dear & favorite child bride Ayesha. The whiney that Ali was tried to over throw Muwaiya from Syria when he eventually begged to become one after Uthman. In any case the Abu Sufiyan family had not forgiven nor forgotten Ali’s good deeds towards them and then when the cards wer in their hands got rid of the Ali clan ones and for all. There are no heroes here just a bunch of power hungry thugs, killing each other.

  • abrahamhab1

    The Muslim prophet used religion as a tool to build a dictatorial state headed by him and later by his two most faithful followers Abu Taleb and Omar. The relatives of the prophet looked at this endeavor as a family business and wished to pass on its leadership to their children just like any monarchy. The problem was that the family members could not agree on who is” more eligible” to be the king. Here was the beginning of an intra family feud that led to the Shia- Sunni schism. It is in short a squabble for power to rule the believers based on kinship to the founder of the dynasty. Even to this day many Muslim rulers derive their “legitimacy” by their alleged blood relation to the Arabian prophet.

  • yasseryousufi

    Can’t the Arabs and the Persians just get along?*************************************Its funny how people just want to broadcast their ignorance on these forums on issues they know nothing of. Their are Shia Arabs, Pakistanis, Indians, Egyptians, Central Asians just as their are Sunni Iranians, Iraqis, Lebanese and Syrians. Shia and Sunni aren’t races! Its like these morons (all three below) will latch upon any opportunity to exhibit their hatred of muslims.

  • halozcel2

    Muawiyah,Son of Liver Eater(his mother had eaten her rival’s liver at battlefield) is the Real Murderer.Yazid was a Trigger Man who was tasked by Son of Liver Eater.Let me remind you one thing.

  • abrahamhab1

    Yasser says:”Its like these morons (all three below) will latch upon any opportunity to exhibit their hatred of muslims.”

  • Secular

    Testing

  • Secular

    Its funny how people just want to broadcast their ignorance on these forums on issues they know nothing of. Their are Shia Arabs, Pakistanis, Indians, Egyptians, Central Asians just as their are Sunni Iranians, Iraqis, Lebanese and Syrians. Shia and Sunni aren’t races! Its like these morons (all three below) will latch upon any opportunity to exhibit their hatred of muslims.

    Come on Yasser, please tell all the ignorant folk on this blog what is the Sunni/Shia split in Arab countries. Actually in all the Dar-ul-Islams sans Iran, Iraq & Bahrain? And can you also please inform the ignorants here the Shia/Sunni Splits in these excepted countries? Now that we know it is about 85/15 Sunni/Shia split in all the Dar-ul-Islam and the opposite in those other three countries don’t you think you now look stupid. Actually you don’t just look stupid, you are damn straight stupid and arrogant skunk with a head full of pig manure.

  • yasseryousufi1

    Secular, did you have your platefull of Cow Manure, watered down by the holy water of cow piss, food of your Hindu Gods? I’ll have to admit, I hand over the business of determining manures to you since you’ve probably been dealing them since you were a kid.Coming back to my post, what is it there you want me to educate you about? I said Shia and Sunni isn’t an Arab Persian divide. There are Arabic speaking shias all over arabia, Karachi where I live is one of the biggest Shia cities in the world (a third of its 16 million people are Shias). You’d probably be aware of Shia’s in India. Do they look Persian to you in any way? Similarly there are lots of Sunni’s in Shia dominated countries like Iraq, Iran, Syria and Lebanon. One has to admire your shameless perseverence, after being called out so many times for your ignorance on subjects you know nothing of, you still wont budge. Perhaps its down to all the $ hit you consumed which has now found a permanent abode in your brains.

  • Secular

    Yasser, don’t pretend that there is a unified Ummah of Islamists. There has been none sinec the moment desert tyrant died blowing his own breath on himself. The old goat believed in his own rubbish that when a muslim blows on a sick person after the namaz the sick get cured, utter pig manure.The moment Abu Bakr became the caliph, the whinie Ali felt cheated from is natural inheritance. So there has never been any united ummah. only thing common is teh hatred for teh infidels among the ummah. There is no denying the fact that good 85 -90 % of the Iranian Islamists are Shia, likewise 90 – 95% of the Arabs are Sunni. So your claims that there are plenty of Shia Arabs, & Sunni persian is unadulterated pig manure. It is as genuine as to say that Jews recognize jesus because there are many Jew for Jesus folks. You are master of obfuscation. You are practicing the famous taqiyah. You are the charlatan here. You have always been a charlatan, as long as I have known you on this blog.

  • yasseryousufi

    Secu-loray,I was quite sure you will once again attempt to shift goal posts and scurry from one point to another when your bigoted falsehoods are pointed out. I will admit I didn’t read your post beyond the first line. Your foul upbringing and uneducated self is transparent to everyone who’s had the misfortune of debating you. So I know that post would be filled with usual expletives and non-sequiturs. With your silly arguments you will be kicked out of any real debate the moment you open your filthy feces filled mouth. So I dont need to waste anymore time indulging in a needless mudslinging match. After all what would anyone gain by throwing stones in a swamp??

  • Secular

    Tasser, you are the one man who is the bigot and totally incapable of objective thinking at least when it comes to your favorite religion Islam. So stop your whining, I have known you the first post I read.

  • hitman2

    Helcelz, Secular , AkafirWhat you believe in? – is anybody’s guess.

  • AKafir

    Hitman2 writes: “Helcelz, Secular , AkafirWhat you believe in? – is anybody’s guess.Why do you have problems answering simple questions about Islam? What difference does it make who is asking those questions? Does a Physics teacher talking about physics want to know what the faith of his student is before he answers his questions? I am an ex-Muslim. I do not know much about other religions, but I have studied Islam in my life. I am no longer religious. I do not subscribe to any religion. I do not have any problem with people who want religion as long as they keep it as their private belief. I am even fine with “secular muslims”. However, I do understand the lies and the double talk that most muslims use to lie and fool the Kafirs very well. Islam refuses to accept the separation of religion and state, and wants to dominate the world, as enunciated by many many Muslims around the world. As long as that is the case, every Kafir (non-muslim) should be made aware that Islam hates non-Muslims and has treated them, is treating them, and will treat them as less than human.

  • yasseryousufi

    I am an ex-Muslim. I do not know much about other religions, but I have studied Islam in my life. Still spewing the same lies you shameless, lousy Hindu?? You say you grew up in Karachi and studied at an Islamic seminary, why dont you tell everyone that you cant name a single street in Karachi let alone the name of your Madrassa or the Science book they taught you there that you claim said the world was a few thousand years old? You write atleast a 100 anti-islami posts a day on this blog everyday? Do you think we’re all that stupid that your evil self wont be transparent to us by now? None of your childish questions ever make sense. What makes you think an Islamophobe who hides behind his evil cloak gets to ask all the questions without revealing his true self or his motivation for this 24/7 baseless hatemongering?

  • yasseryousufi

    Go f yourself Kafir! You have no credibility. You are just ashamed of your religion of monkey and snake gods and drinking cow piss for religous cleansing. Once again,I dont ask much name me a single street in Karachi you walked by? After all you lived a considerable part of your life there. Unless you dont answer that question do not ever call yourself a former muslim again.

  • PSolus

    hitman2,”You maggets have spoiled this blog hence no decent person remains here for long.”Does that explain why you have been here for so long?

  • AKafir

    Yasser writes: “Once again,I dont ask much name me a single street in Karachi you walked by? After all you lived a considerable part of your life there. Unless you dont answer that question do not ever call yourself a former muslim again.”Just one of the maps of Karachi:There are many many others available. Take as many names of streets of Karachi as you like. A hundred or a thousand. Do you understand that no matter what I say, I can never convince you of anything. You will hate because I tell people about your Islam. As I told you before, feel free to think what ever you like about me.

  • yasseryousufi

    Give it up Kafir! You threw around an off the cuff lie, thinking no one will challenge you on the claim of being a Madrassa student from a far away country. Its just your bad luck that I happen to be around who is a life long Karachiite. Your farcical position is transparent to me. I will have nothing to do with your useless rants if you dont go around spreading this Madrassa educated, Karachi born former muslim lies. So consider this a friendly advice, if you do not want me to shred your cloak and expose you for who you are stop repeating this lie.

  • AKafir

    YasserYousufi:Read your posts. You make absolutely no bones about that you hate Hindus. You hate Jews. You hate Christians. Do you think I care what you think of me? One of these days, maybe, just maybe, you will be able to see yourself first as a human and then as the full of hate Muslim. As I keep telling you, feel free to say or write what you will about me. Fortunately, the laws and the technology allows me to keep exposing the hate and the evil that is Islam. You help with your posts. And for that, I do thank you.

  • Arif2

    “Give it up Kafir! You threw around an off the cuff lie, thinking no one will challenge you on the claim of being a Madrassa student from a far away country. Its just your bad luck that I happen to be around who is a life long Karachiite”Does it matter where he’s from? What Kafir says is much more important. Does it matter if he’s Jewish or Hindu?As a child your parents feed you your religion. As a youth you defend your religion, as an adult you have to think for yourself. Why die a drone?

  • yasseryousufi

    Mr. Arif,Nothing that Kafir says ever matters. He’s a windbag who posts snippets from quack sites of people of his own creed. There is never an original piece of information in his posts. The fact that hie hides behind the false cloak of former muslim to gain credibility whereas its obvious to anyone on this blog who has been around long enough that he is indeed a Hindu. By the whats with his name Arif?? Dont tell me you’re also one of those Madrassa educated former muslims?Oh and Kafir, you still havent told me the name of that science book you bragged about being taught at the Madrassa. That should settle it. Prove it to everyone you aren’t a quack who makes up stories as he goes along. Your google earth lame excuses wont work here.

  • AKafir

    YasserYousufi writes: “By the whats with his name Arif?? Dont tell me you’re also one of those Madrassa educated former muslims?”Arif2 has been posting for a long time, and yes he is an ex-muslim although Arif has never claimed to be Madrassa educated as far as I know. YasserYousufi writes: “Oh and Kafir, you still havent told me the name of that science book you bragged about being taught at the Madrassa. That should settle it. Prove it to everyone you aren’t a quack who makes up stories as he goes along. Your google earth lame excuses wont work here.”You sound like you were educated in the English Medium Private Schools and so I am not sure you would be familiar with the poor education level I received. However, if you are then you should know that science text books are published by the provinces text book board. Officially I covered the Sindh Textbook Board books for Class XI and XII. However, the library had an old book published in the 1940′s or 50′s by an American Publisher and the author was Campbell and I do not remember his first name or initials. I was the first one to check that book out and it was really the reason why I ended up in USA. They ended up giving me the book because they did not see any use for it and the librarian Mullah wanted to be my ‘special friend’ as I found out later. Yasser, this will of course not satisfy you, and you will want to know more. I will not pursue this any further because it really is of no interest to anyone else. There are more ex-muslims around than what you imagine. Get used to it. Islam is dying, and there is nothing you can do to save it. There is no way the muslims can silence the knowledge about the evil in Islam. Gone are the days when muslims could kill the critics. Although they are still trying. Todays news:Five suspected Islamist militants have been arrested for planning a gun attack at the Copenhagen offices of a Danish newspaper that printed cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in 2005, police say.Six years later and they are still trying to commit mass murder over some silly cartoons. I love my freedom to speak about the crap in Islam and the web provides that freedom just nicely. I do not have to be stupid like Molly Norris or worry about some Mullah ringing my door bell and blowing himself up to meet his lovely houris.

  • mono1

    significance of AS SHURA.1-there is no *Ancestorism* in the religion of islam ,moses is a messenger of islam ,jesus son of marry is a messenger of islam ,mohamed is a messenger of islam ,a long solid eternal chain of monotheism ,every one glorify and honor and obey one god the creator of this universe.2-its about monotheism not tribalism.3-as shura is about the fall of falsehood aganist monotheism ,moses honored it and mohamed honored it ,muslims honor what their monotheist muslim father IBRAHIM honored.4-as shura is not about the mourning of al hussain ,al hussain is no more significant than his father ALY or HAMZA or the great companions of the prophet ,abou baker ,omar and othman ,again its about what the prophets and messengers of ALLAH honored and command.4-tribalism and ancestorism is part and parcel of polytheism and juchristian/shirkism and those who follow their delusional theological and ideological heirs .5-nothing fail mankind and nations like not following the command of the honorable messengers of ALLAH ,all honor what ALLAH command them to honor.

  • Arif2

    Mr. Yasser,

  • Jihadist

    Much of the world believes woman (I hate blaming man so much) is the cause of global warming, I on the other hand believe that Islam/Mohammed will destroy the world much before the globe warms.Kafir is a kool, never mind what he is you loose your temper too soon and it shows.*******************************************And the above is the sort of hot air and emanating from men causing mental degradation, rising temperatures and ensuing global warming of tempers? Never mind. Happy New Year to you.

  • yasseryousufi

    Arif2 has been posting for a long time, and yes he is an ex-muslim although Arif has never claimed to be Madrassa educated as far as I know. Well I never asked for an explanation from you. But I see how this “I scratch your back you scratch my back” relationship works between you “former” muslims. Dont know much about about him but I kinda figured he was one of your ilk.”Officially I covered the Sindh Textbook Board books for Class XI and XII. However, the library had an old book published in the 1940′s or 50′s by an American Publisher and the author was Campbell and I do not remember his first name or initials. I was the first one to check that book out and it was really the reason why I ended up in USA.”Seems like you have spoken so many lies with regards to your fake identity that you have lost the plot totally. Do you want me to dig out that post of yours where you said you were taught a science book in your Madrassa that said World was just a few thousand years old and were roughed up by your teacher for asking too many questions. Thats why you decided to change your religion. I only asked you the name of that book. You come up with a new story regarding some old book in the library. Again, a word of advice……give it up. Stop embarrassing yourself in front of everyone. Because I wont let you get away with your lies. As I said rant all you want about your hatred for muslims and Islam. I wont bother with you. Just stop this I am a former muslim crap.

  • yasseryousufi

    Mr. Arif,I’ll take you for your word regarding being a former muslim for now since I am not in a position to pass on a judgment.I am curious to know why you believe Islam will destroy the world? Do you associate yourself with any other religion or are you an Athiest now?

  • Jihadist

    I have never seen so many “ex-Muslims” and “former Muslims” who claimed they were former terrorists, or former madrassa school graduates or Muslim scholars.Their self-declared rabid fanaticism as pre-former Muslims alledgedly “taught” to hate non-Muslims seems not to be lost as current rabid ex-Muslims who hates, this time Muslims. So much for being ex-Muslims because, among other reasons, Muslims are all alledgedly “taught” to hate in their “manual” and in madrassas, and being ex-Muslims would free them from hatred etc.

  • AKafir

    YasserYousufi writes: “Seems like you have spoken so many lies with regards to your fake identity that you have lost the plot totally. Do you want me to dig out that post of yours where you said you were taught a science book in your Madrassa that said World was just a few thousand years old and were roughed up by your teacher for asking too many questions. Thats why you decided to change your religion. I only asked you the name of that book. You come up with a new story regarding some old book in the library.”And how is what I said inconsistent with I said earlier? You are so filled with hate that you are unable to think at all. As I said, no matter what I will say you will find it unacceptable. You as a Muslim and Pakistani hate the hindus with a blind passion. You have expressed that hate multiple times. Pakistani Muslims have committed genocide against the hindus. They killed nearly 3 million in Bangladesh to satiate the blood lust of Allah, and it is not enough. They have killed tens of millions in their history and it is not enough. You merely reflect that hate. You are taught that hate. You grew up with that hate. I told you a long time ago, if you had been an Arab you would have called me a Jew (as Asizk does) and an Israeli agent. It really does not matter to me, what you think of me. If you want to think of me as a Hindu so you can justify your feelings of hate for me, then go ahead think of me as a Hindu. Do you understand that you cannot stop me, or anyone else, from exposing the evil of Islam? Pakistan’s best friend is China. Have you ever really heard what the Chinese think of your Islam? Have you ever read how they are handling the Muslim Uighurs in China? Talk to some Chinese and ask them what they think of Islam. You know what the Russians, the Japanese, the Europeans, the Latin Americans think of Islam. You of course know what the Indians think of your Islam.

  • AKafir

    Jihadist writes: “I have never seen so many “ex-Muslims” and “former Muslims” who claimed they were former terrorists, or former madrassa school graduates or Muslim scholars.Their self-declared rabid fanaticism as pre-former Muslims alledgedly “taught” to hate non-Muslims seems not to be lost as current rabid ex-Muslims who hates, this time Muslims.”Jihadist is a Malaya. Malayas are deeply racist and have institutionalised the hate of non-Muslims in the laws of their land. Now Jihadist complains that the ex-muslims expose the evils of Islam and calls it “hate”. Only a Muslim would confuse exposing the evil of something with the evil itself. Only the hate that is embedded in a Muslim like Jihadist would allow the absolute disgusting equivalence between the ex-Muslim exposing the evil of Islam (because they know Islam very well) for the Kafirs who are unfamiliar with Islam, and the actual murder of apostates that takes place across the world in Muslim countries.

  • yasseryousufi

    Jihadist,Isn’t this funny, all these Ayyan Hirsi Ali wannabe’s on this forum with their fake Ayyan Hirsi Ali stories. I remember how Ayyan Hirsi Ali who was member of Dutch Parliament was thrown out of not just the Parliament but the country itself for lying about her past to get immigration. Turned out she never was never going to have an arranged marriage she supposedly ran away from. She made it all up. Call yourself a former muslim, hatch up a familiar story of atrocities and thats a sure shot formula for fame fortune and glory these days. Kafir is a perfect example. This crook says he left Islam because he was taught a science book that said world was just a few thousand years old. I challenged him on that and asked him the name of the book that changed his life. Till this day he squirms and scurries from one position to another without ever giving the name of that book. These Islamophobes wearing the cloak of “former muslims” think they’ll earn more credibility without us ever noticing them. If a master liar like Ayyan Hirsi couldnt hide the truth from coming out despite her influential position, what makes these people think they’ll get away with their lies.

  • Jihadist

    “Isn’t this funny, all these Ayyan Hirsi Ali wannabe’s on this forum with their fake Ayyan Hirsi Ali stories.”- Yasseryousufi*******************************************Ayaan Hirsi Ali? The same one who claimed she is an atheist and yet suggested Muslims should be Christians. Oh, there are also some ex-Muslims also become Christian missionaries and proselyisers in North America too – some who claimed to be former muftis’ or imams’ or mullahs’ sons. As for the Ayaan clones here, i.e. ex or former Muslims as claimed, what is striking is that, their “talking points” on Islam and Muslims are the same as those espoused by Christian missionaries and proselytisers who studied in universities such as Liberty U. I’ve seen it in evangelical websites and blogs as well as Indonesian and Malaysian Christians saying the same in Indo-Mal blogs on religion. Indonesian and Malaysian atheists, like American atheists, thrash ALL religions and not just Islam and Muslims in such blogs. The Ayaan clones here are just that – they posited themself as ex-Muslims, are self-characterised as or called by non-Muslim as “Muslim reformers” and in their, er, “reform” of Islam and Muslims, they spew out everything from the banning of the Qur’an to banning Muslims immigrating in the west to outright “destruction” of Islam and Muslims – whatever “destruction” means for them.

  • AKafir

    The American Kafirs should read the post by the Malaysian Muslim Jihadist and the Pakistani Muslim YasserYousufi. They commiserate to justify the criticism being levelled against Islam. Their Justification is that Hirsi Ali is a liar because she had lied to stay in Denmark, not because she has said any lies about Islam. The Danes dealt with her and she still is a citizen of Denmark. Their justification is that the Christians are liars, the Missionaries are liars, the ex-Muslims are liars. What is the origin of such hate across the middle east, Pakistan, all the way to Malaysia and Indonesia? Why is it so difficult for even the educated and “moderate” Muslims like Yasser and Jihadist to even give a passing nod to the problem? Keep that in mind when reading Eboo Patel. See if you can find a single column of Eboo where he remotely discusses the deeply imbedded hate for the non-Muslim in Islam. Instead the whine is always always of how they are being victimised. Please read the posting of Yasser and Jihadist and see the psychology of Islam being played out.