The Franklin Graham Crusade

By David Waters In an interview with Newsmax TV, Franklin Graham said the Pentagon’s decision to rescind his invitation to … Continued

By David Waters

In an interview with Newsmax TV, Franklin Graham said the Pentagon’s decision to rescind his invitation to Thursday’s National Prayer Day event was “a slap at all evangelical Christians” and he blamed the Obama administration.

The “slap” is “absolutely part of a pattern of hostility toward Christianity in the federal government,” Graham said. “And I don’t know if it’s exactly from President Obama, but I’m certain that some of the men around him are very much opposed to what we stand for and what we believe.”

Has Franklin Graham decided that if he can’t be the Billy Graham, he can be the next Pat Robertson? Graham’s pattern of hostility toward Islam was the reason the Pentagon disinvited him from a religious event the government shouldn’t even be hosting in the first place.

Graham’s remarks against Islam were “not appropriate,” said Col. Thomas Collins, spokesman for the U.S. Army. “We’re an all-inclusive military. We honor all faiths . . . Our message to our service and civilian work force is about the need for diversity and appreciation of all faiths.”

Graham, who has repeatedly called Islam an “evil and wicked religion,” is president of the Christian humanitarian organization Samaritan’s Purse, a name based on the Parable of the Good Samaritan, a story Jesus told to instruct his followers on how to “love thy neighbor as thyself.”

Samaritan’s Purse has shown a lot of love for its neighbors, including its Muslim neighbors. The ministry has established humanitarian relief efforts in such predominantly Muslim countries as Somalia, Sudan, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq — drawing much praise but also some criticism for requiring people to sit through Christian prayer meetings or talks before receiving aid.

In the interview with Newsmax, Graham continued to express his “love” for his Muslim neighbors while condemning their faith and questioning their patriotism.

“It seems as though Muslims are getting a pass,” Graham told Newsmax. “And you look at the violence that they have portrayed against women. It’s just horrific. If you just take women alone … And I just don’t understand why the president would be giving Islam a pass.

“We certainly love the Muslim people,” Graham went on to say. “But that is not the faith of this country. And that is not the religion that built this nation. The people of the Christian faith and the Jewish faith are the ones who built America, and it is not Islam.”

Graham said the “pattern of hostility toward Christianity . . . goes back into the Clinton years. This whole secularization has come in, creeping in, and it’s getting more and more and more. And of course the Bush administration was very friendly toward evangelicals. And [Bush] certainly, I think if he were president … he would have overturned that (Pentagon) decision.”

Given his father’s Nixon-era anti-Semitic statements (for which he graciously apologized), Franklin Graham’s respect for America’s JUDEO-Christian heritage is some sort of progress, I suppose. Perhaps 30 years from now, Franklin Graham’s son will praise America’s multi-faith heritage.

But isn’t Graham’s anti-Muslim crusade a slap at all evangelical Christians?

What about his Baptist brethren? Their ancestors helped build America with the fundamental Baptist principles of demand for religious liberty and respect for what famed Baptist preacher Roger Williams called “the wall of separation” between church and state.

What about his father? “Billy Graham simply will not engage in the demonizing of Islam,” Harvard University professor Harvey Cox told Fox News in 2005. “(He believes) that the real struggle in the clash of civilizations is in poverty and disease.”

And what about Bush? During his presidency he repeatedly characterized Islam as “a religion of peace” that “brings hope and comfort to millions of people in my country, and to more than a billion people worldwide.” He also repeatedly condemned attempts to demonize Islam.

America rejects bigotry. We reject every act of hatred against people of Arab background or Muslim faith America values and welcomes peaceful people of all faiths — Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu and many others,” Bush said in April 2002.

“Every faith is practiced and protected here, because we are one country. Every immigrant can be fully and equally American because we’re one country.”

Isn’t that what Americans stand for and what we believe?

UPDATE: Graham’s disinvitation has prompted a Republican congressman from Georgia to call for a congressional investigation into possible “clerical censorship” by the Pentagon, Religion News Service is reporting.

In a letter to the House Armed Services Committee, Rep. Jack Kingston cited recent incidents involving Graham as well as Family Research Council President Tony Perkins. “It appears the Pentagon is systematically weeding out preachers and leaders of the clergy who give messages and sermons that might ruffle feathers,” Kingston said in a statement.

If by ruffle he means demonize, and if by feathers he means people of other faiths, then I suppose he has a point.

David Corn of Politics Daily saw this coming:

“Imagine if a leading American imam decried Christianity as an “evil” religion and then was invited to participate at a National Day of Prayer event at the Pentagon. How would conservative pundits, shouting heads, bloggers and politicians react? There would be denunciations, calls for rescinding the invitation, demands for explanations from the Defense Secretary Robert Gates, and questions hurled at the Obama White House,” Corn wrote last week. “But if a prominent Christian evangelist described Islam as an “evil” religion and subsequently received a similar invitation, would the same thing happen?”

Well, as a matter of fact, yes.

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  • haveaheart

    “Franklin Graham said the Pentagon’s decision to rescind his invitation to Thursday’s National Prayer Day event was ‘a slap at all evangelical Christians’ and he blamed the Obama administration…The ‘slap’ is ‘absolutely part of a pattern of hostility toward Christianity in the federal government,’ Graham said.”What mainstream Christians ought to be concerned about right now is evangelists like Graham conflating their brand of Christianity with everyone else’s. It’s the “evangelical” part of “evangelical Christians” that creates the enormous barriers between Christians and all the rest of us.By definition, “evangelical Christians” are people who feel compelled through their belief system to try and make everyone else in the world into a Christian. Non-evangelicals don’t do this; it isn’t a part of their agenda.And for some reason, non-evangelical Christians seem to have forgotten that they, not the evangelicals, are the vast majority of American Christianity.Why have they ceded the talking points to their bigoted and obnoxious evangelical brothers and sisters? That’s something that all mainstream Protestants and Catholics in this country ought to think about. These people are not representing your interests, but they are feverishly misrepresenting your ideologies in an effort to swell their numbers into a faux majority of American citizens.If mainstream Christians don’t start taking aggressive action to distance their churches from the clutches of evangelical Christianity, they’re going to find themselves in the untenable position of supporting social and cultural values that they don’t espouse while propping up the ministries of the little martinets who have them hogtied.

  • areyousaying

    Like the Catholic Church that blames the victims, the press, “liberals, lawyers, muchkins in precious puberty for their scandal, Graham comes of as a petulant, pouting little adolescent neocon Huckabee, who can only blame Obama for his self-inflicted PR problem

  • washpost18

    “Rep. Jack Kingston cited recent incidents involving Graham as well as Family Research Council President Tony Perkins”I’m quite sure that amongst those “recent incidents” mentioned was nothing to do with FRC co-founder George Rekers and his 10 day whirlwind tour of Europe with a rent-boy (aka. male prostitute). With such strong foundations of hypocrisy is it any surprise that FRC continues with it to this day?

  • seasail

    This guy is a ugly hateful clown. Why have you written two columns about this present day Elmer Gantry? What’s he got on you? Do you owe him money? Is he paying you?

  • FarnazMansouri

    On another topic, when will there be a column about xenophobia we see in so many black churches?

  • rbdave

    Franklin Graham is from the dark side.Re. the endless talk about America’s “Judeo-Christian” tradition:

  • tmcproductions2004

    People who declare a group “evil and wicked” are usually the most wicked of all. They look for evil in everyone who does not believe in their hate-filled assertions.Graham has none of his father’s class, and he never will. Too much hate.

  • clintt5

    The Rev. Graham must think he represents all evangelist Christians. He doesn’t speak for me nor my family NOR my church. Franklin Graham is a spoiled rich boy that rides on his Dad’s coat tails. His main interest is flying Palin around in his private jet.

  • DaveHarris

    It’s typical of “holy men” that they equate the entire religion with themselves. If the Pentagon doesn’t want him at an event because he’s said some unpopular things it’s supposed to be some big plot against all of Christianity. Get over yourself, Franklin, you’re just not that important.It’s worth acknowledging, though, that he is one of the few Christian holy men who’s actually read the Muslim holy book, and is appropriately appalled by what he’s found there. Islam really is everything he says.

  • Jihm

    Religious fanatics of all types (Christian, Muslim, etc.) deserve each other. The rest of us deserve better. I wish they would all leave us in peace.

  • djmcfly

    YOU LEFTIES LOVE ISLAM, Bow Down & Cower To It Like The Imposter President.

  • ladyliberty1

    Cadam72,You use the Bible to make a point by picking a text without using it in context. You want to equate the commands of God to the nation of Israel warring for its existence, and at a particular point in time, certainly not for today, with the Koran’s call to kill “all” infidels, wherever they may be found. There is no equivalency. There was the Old Covenant that was a system of symbols, the killing of goats and sheep in temple sacrifice taught the people about their sins, and that only a blood sacrifice of a lamb without blemish could take away their sins. God said, “Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin.”The New Testament was the revelation of the “Lamb of God” “Jesus Christ” “Messiah” “Yeshua” whose blood sacrifice was the perfect sacrifice which put an end to Temple sacrifice under the Judaic system. Yeshua/Jesus’ blood satisfied God’s wrath for man’s sin. In the Old Testament, only a priest could enter the Holy of Holies, once a year. A string was tied around his ankle so that he could be dragged out, if he died while he was there. When Jesus died, the “veil of the temple” was torn from top to bottom, showing it as an act of God. God was declaring that man would now come into the Holy of Holies via the Lord Jesus Christ. We are clothed in His righteousness, and are thus, able to come before a Holy God.

  • jmdyt

    “President of the Christian humanitarian organization Samaritan’s Purse” He doesn’t sound very Christian or humanitarian . . .

  • analyst72

    It is not a slap in the face but a kick in the asset to all right-wing evangelical hypocrites. You s.o.bs do not represent christians but vociferous hypocrites, period!

  • demostheneswashdc

    Too many here have missed the point. It is not Government’s place to anoint any individual religion as being “correct” either directly or indirectly. Several purport to be born again Christians, and that is their right, but they would in all likelihood object to a priest in a governmental event calling upon Mary or the other Saints to intercede with Jesus on behalf of the U.S. Imagine the indignation if the cleric were not Catholic, but from an even more fringe Christian denomination: Pentecostals speaking in tongues; West Virginia snake-handlers; or the pastor from the Westboro Baptist Church (the rabid anti-gay protestors).If people insist upon injecting religion into civil government, then should we allow all-faiths (which would be impossible due to shear numbers), allow all those with a specific number of adherents, or provide a representative sampling that does not virulently attack and/or denigrate other faiths of Americans?Many of us would be fine with leaving religion out of governmental functions, but I, at least, am willing to agree that whatever religion provided an official forum should at least not be one known to spew venom at other faiths.P.S.LadyLiberty – it is not practicable to correct all of the factual errors you have posted or to refute your obfuscating protestations. Just one quick one will have to do, the Hutaree case has not been dismissed as you so smugly stated. These “Christians” remain charged with numerous crimes, the matter at bar is their release on bond.

  • kchses1

    No reasonable person could accept Grahams arguments. They are logically inconsistant even within there own logical constucts. It’s pointles talking to people like Mr. Graham or his followers. They are impervious to reason or facts.

  • Afraid4USA

    Franklin was on MSNBC and was totally impossible, yelling and screaming that the only way to salvation was to accept Christ as your personal savior. The Catholic host (Chris Matthews) wasn’t expecting a lecture and was a bit taken aback. Chris wanted him to address directly his Moslems are Evil speil, but Franklin simply ignored the question and instead took the opportunity to evangelize, though I doubt his angry demeanor accomplished much. I personally got pretty pissed off. I am a Christian, come from generations of Christians, including many Congregational ministers on both sides of the family, and I don’t need someone like Franklin Graham to define Christianity for me. He’s an embarrassment and not a representative of true Christianity, though he obviously thinks he is. Has anyone ever audited Samaritan’s Purse? What did his father do with all the money he got from his tent meetings? Does anyone know? I sincerely believe that most of these so-called Evangelical preachers are in it for the money, a la Jim and Tammy Faye. The Purposeful Life clown Warren (who Obama for some reason embraced, much to my dismay) will not let anyone audit his records to see if his claims about only taking 10% of the proceeds of his book are true. “Pastor” Lon Solomon of the McLean Bible Church will not reveal how much he makes, due to “privacy concerns,” [See the "church's" website.] Meanwhile an angry former parishoner is standing out in front of the Mega church with a sign that claims he’s paid $850K a year. I was raised a Congregationalist and any member of the church could find out exactly how much the minister made, usually not much, as well as how much the church spent on electricity. But then again, in contrast to Mega churches like the McLean Bible Church, we didn’t have plush surroundings, gift shops selling trash and coffee bars. Bathrooms were concrete flooring and metal stalls. Bathrooms at the megaMcLean Bible Church are like a 5 star hotel. To me, these things, as well as people like Graham, are abominations.

  • ladyliberty1

    Mr. Graham is certainly within his rights to spew hatred and bigotry if he likes. posted by DRIHLMr. Graham has fed, clothed, housed, provided medical service through his ministry, than most Muslims leaders provide for their own.One of the first responders to the Tsunami in Indonesia was Samaritan’s Purse. That ministry has gone into cultures dominated by Islam and ministered where the Muslims of the Middle East didn’t offer any assistance to those of like Islamic faith.In all probability, the above poster has done nothing for the Muslim people, but thinks himself righteous for attacking Mr. Graham on their behalf, something which costs him nothing except the time it takes to spew his own hatred. Those who oppose Mr. Graham are deliberately denying the violence that exists because of the Islamic belief system, or they are mentally challenged to understand, or they have no knowledge of the history of Islam.

  • kim4

    Yet another example that organized religion is a wondrous thing until people get involved in it.

  • 44fx290

    POSTED BY: REPUBLICANBLACK stared off his/her post with the phrase “The problem is with religion is….” My only quibble is that it ought be constructed as “My quibbles with religion are….” It would be a very long book in my view.

  • ladyliberty1

    LadyLiberty – it is not practicable to correct all of the factual errors you have posted or to refute your obfuscating protestations. Just one quick one will have to do, the Hutaree case has not been dismissed as you so smugly stated. These “Christians” remain charged with numerous crimes, the matter at bar is their release on bond. Name those “numerous” crimes and the years they face in prison for such crimes. If you I were you, I’d be a little more concerned with the Pakistan-born naturalized American citizen who admitted to the Times Square bomb plot. Faisal Shahzad sounds a little more like a terrorist than does a family, exercising their first admendment rights to speak out against government policies, and their second amendment rights to own guns to defend themselves. The Hutaree case is dead. P.S. Are these Hutaree, “Christians” like Mr. Obama is a “Christian?” He listened to Jeremiah Wright condemn white America, and the Jews, for 20 years. Does listening to such speech by Mr. Obama, put him in the same category as the Hutaree espousing hate for government policies?

  • mascmen7

    Islam is a political movement masquerading as a religion taking the sayings of a false Meccan prophet who was illiterate and making a religion out of it. Violence is incompatable with God yet Islam uses violence to force people into their belief system and threatens death if anyone tries to leave their false religion.

  • MarylandBear

    SpiderMean2 claimed: “Sad for you coz I experienced a miracle myself. Not only that, by God’s grace, Iam able to interpret most of the Biblical prophecies which are mostly written using figures of speech. Those prophecies match exactly to what’s happening now.Okay, you’re nothing more than a crackpot.

  • sanderling5

    LadyLiberty1, you seem to be filled with an incredible amount of anger and intolerance toward anyone who doesn’t share your particular religious point of view.This is why we have had separation of church and state in this country, so that no one group can impose its philosophy on others.

  • demostheneswashdc

    LadyLiberty – Again with the obfuscation? They are charged with seditious conspiracy, attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction, teaching the use of explosives materials, possessing a firearm during a crime of violence.Now that I have replied to your demand to name the charges against the Hutaree, would you have the courtesy of returning to the discussion at hand? Would you want a faith healer, snake-handler, or Mary-devotee “officiating” at a government event, or is your position that only certain brands of Christianity should be permitted? Please articulate the criteria by which such “religious” speakers should be chosen.

  • iamerican

    It is not random that no Muslim signed the Declaration, or that only Roman Catholics on the SCOTUS illegally appointed Hitler’s banker’s draft-dodging, dry drunk, closet-queen grandson as president, to commit 9/11.”Annuit Coeptis” says all that is expected or required, of a true American, of G-d.The rest is sectarian factionalism.Graham certainly gains tax exemption claiming to be a Man of G-d. What statements has he made, in Truth and Justice, to expand awareness of Bush’s and Cheney’s having committed 9/11; or of Bush’s father’s and Nixon’s, with the Roman Catholic Knight of Malta-led CIA’s, having assassinated John Kennedy to send us to die in papal Vietnam, and to restore the Vatican’s correspondent bankers of the Fed to its unconstitutional money franchise ended by President Kennedy’s EO11,110?Revoke his tax exemption for he is neither Man of G-d, nor American man.

  • jamshark70

    Dear Franklin Graham:Please pray more, and flap your gums less.Signed,

  • jfv123

    Christianity and Islam are like Coke and Pepsi.

  • kls1

    Just show me a list of violent acts by people calling themselves Christian and a list of violent acts by people calling themselves Muslims from the past 20 years. Which one could fit on a few sheets of paper and which list would circle the planet?

  • ffoulks

    “Of course the author cannot refute a thing that the Rev. stated about Islam. Islam is a dominating religion/ideology that is the anti-thesis of Western Civilization. It is no better than Nazism.”Islam is not the antithesis of Western civilization. It is another high civilization. Islam has given us most of our musical instruments. It gave us back philosophy, after we had lost it in our period of barbarism during the Christian Middle-Ages. While we were beating ourselves with chains to mortify the flesh, in the Islamic world there flourished trade, the arts, science, mathematics (remember “arabic” numbers?). . . While pograms were ubiquitous in Europe, Jewish people thrived in the Islamic world. Remember the Jewish people in Spain? They were just fine until the Christians expelled them.Most major religions at one point or the other have persecuted women and minorities. In that regard the record of Christianity is despicable. Let us not add yet other ignoble chapter to it.

  • LDTRPT25

    Franklin Graham is a used to be drinker and a republican,it’s no wonder he is blaming president Obama. In Billy and Franklin Graham’s eyes George Bush could do no wrong–enough said?

  • skscottkeyes

    Who exactly is this Leading American Imam of which they speak? Huh? What planet is this? I have yet to hear the leading Imam in America speak out against anything? Who is he, where is he?

  • agapn9

    Islam and Christianity are like water and oil – just ask an historian or anyone who was alive and awake during the Lebanese conflict.The problem with Islam is that the founder – Mohammad began as an idealistic reformer but did some very unethical things along the way. Though he had a successful marriage with an older woman who bore him 6 children, he eventually was married to 13 women and had multiple concubines. Two of the women were Jews and one of those women tried to poison him for killing members of her family.One of his marriages was to a six year old and he consummated the marriage when she was 9. He killed people he didn’t have to, and broke his word over and over again. Sadly, the Koran reflects a disrespect for women, disrespect for life, and disrespect for honesty. And Mohammad made it an obligation for his followers to attack whenever they thought they could overpower their enemies – and force Sharia – Islamic law down everyone’s throats. Christianity has never advocated forced conversion though kings have used christianity to unite their kingdoms. Islam not only advocates forced conversion but also death to anyone who falls away from the faith. The killings of the fallen away are called: honor killings. Canada has 5,000 of them a year. So comparing the two religions as equal is an act of total ignorance.

  • apn3206

    The bigger question I have concerns why the Pentagon or any other part of the Federal government is even involved in something called “National Prayer Day”. Individuals associated with those organizations are, of course, free to participate in such events, but my understanding of the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, and case law involving government’s role in religious practice, that Federal agencies should have any role in organizing this type of event.

  • HookedOnThePost

    …a religious event the government shouldn’t even be hosting in the first place.TOTALLY CORRECT. Quit with the hypocritical praying of men who make and use weapons for human destruction.

  • wwigcrew1

    The Scriptures clearly reveal God’s love for all his creation, however he’s still a God of judgment- that is if you believe the Scriptures. The fact that Mr. Graham points out the shortcomings of religion, only points to the failings of man. To oppose his observations gives insight on how we have come to accept nearly all behavior and hid behind it being acceptable. God will ultimately be the just and righteous arbitrator.

  • apn3206

    Patmatthews,I didn’t see your earlier comment. I agree with what you wrote.

  • readerny

    Many of these religious (so-called) leaders are whiners.

  • Elkay1

    You self-righteous fundamentalist Christians are today’s Pharisees. You go around beating your chest, proclaiming “Lord, Lord,” but those loud proclamations ring hollow.As Jesus said to the Pharisees, you follow the letter of the law and not the spirit. As another poster said, whitened sepulchers, the lot of you.

  • ladyliberty1

    Now that I have replied to your demand to name the charges against the Hutaree, would you have the courtesy of returning to the discussion at hand? Would you want a faith healer, snake-handler, or Mary-devotee “officiating” at a government event, or is your position that only certain brands of Christianity should be permitted? Please articulate the criteria by which such “religious” speakers should be chosen.How about the faith represented with the Continental Congress called for prayer? Or, when President Washington called for prayer, with his message to the nation titled, “The Duty of a Nation is to Obey God.”?Or, how about the faith of John Adams who called the nation to Thanksgiving to the Almighty?Or, how about the call of Lincoln to a “national day of prayer?”In fact, the nation has been called to prayer from our first president on. It is only since Islam has declared war on Christianity and is now fighting to destroy our history by graduating from our universities and quietly filling positions in our government that there has been such vocal opposition to an American tradition. A recent NY Times article described the quiet positioning of Muslims at astonishing rates in this administration.

  • akhan4

    This guy Franklin Graham hate Islam even there no 9/11. All he talks about how Islam treats women and minorities religion. In my opinion he is a complete bigot.

  • akhan4

    This guy Franklin Graham hate Islam even there no 9/11. All he talks about how Islam treats women and minorities religion. In my opinion he is a complete bigot.

  • slim2

    People should never attribute any of this religious craziness to Jesus-he doesn’t know these people either. It should surprise no one that after decades of listening to the Grahams, Falwells, Robertsons, Swaggerts, Hinns and Bakers, we would arrive at this point. The more concerned among us undoubtedly realize another couple of years of Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and 24/7 Fox News and even we will be praying for the Rapture to get these idiots out of here as by then the world will be in full blown crazy.

  • dganderson13

    LadyLiberty WOW. The Hutaree case is not dismissed. Make no other arguments. On this point you lied. We hate liars. Lying like you so rightly said earlier is bearing false witness. The Muslims may have sold slaves which is horrible, however the Christian founders of this nation were the purchasers. They believed God gave them supremacy over slaves. The Bible does not state you must be born again to gain God’s grace and go to heaven. It states if you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and died for your sins. You are therefore given God’s grace and allowed to heaven. I am sure these were mere oversites as you battle the evil in the world. Look at yourself. You act supreme to others because your family has been in the nation 350 years. BTW my mothers side signed the Declaration of Independece and my fathers side are Vikings who where here around 1000 years ago.

  • 2229

    Franklin Graham is obviously too ignorant to notice that the country is not all Christians, and that in the Armed Services, of all places, no prejudice toward any one religion should be held inviolate.What Franklin baby is, is a Christian liar and Overdramatize Queen, trying to force his brand of hating religious fascism on everyone. Blaming Obama shows Graham to be part of the Confederate bigots mostly making up the Republican party.Can’t handle a black man, hey, little boy? Better pray to your god for some guts and brains.

  • ladyliberty1

    Islam is not the antithesis of Western civilization. It is another high civilization. Islam has given us most of our musical instruments. It gave us back philosophy, after we had lost it in our period of barbarism during the Christian Middle-Ages. While we were beating ourselves with chains to mortify the flesh, in the Islamic world there flourished trade, the arts, science, mathematics (remember “arabic” numbers?). . . While pograms were ubiquitous in Europe, Jewish people thrived in the Islamic world. Remember the Jewish people in Spain? They were just fine until the Christians expelled them.Posted by: ffoulks | May 5, 2010 Islam is equivalent to the lie of Satan in the garden of Eden. Islam distorts every event of history as evidenced by the above poster’s comments that disproven by historical records. No one who knows history would believe the poster’s claims. There is ample evidence in even today’s Islamic cultures that they are oppressive, warring, barbaric societies. Consider Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Syria. Lenanon was once a jewel in the Middle East before Islam came in and destroyed it. Every place that Islam has taken over the culture, the people has been destroyed. There was a Christian culture in Turkey for centuries, until Turkey fell to Islam.

  • racerdoc

    Well, RedMillion2 is a Muslim. I appreciate when people tell the truth. RedMillion2 in previous posts says America is a “secular” nation. This is the ploy of the Muslims. Declare America “secular” then move it in the direction of becoming all things “Muslim.” The Muslims do not believe in the Ten Commandments because to do so would deny them the privilege of violating the commandment which says, “Do not bear false witness.” Islam is the only religion that advocates “lying” to accomplish the end goal, which is “all things Islam/Muslim/Sharia.——————————————————And what is the GOAL OF YOU CHRISTIAN FASCISTS?????if you had your way LADYLIBERTY(NOT) and SPIDERMEANY(A REAL LIVE BREATHING LUNATIC AS WELL) anyone who is say a peace loving BUDDHIST or a HINDU or atheist would be sent to BIBLE STUDY. THERE ARE TERRORISTS of all ilks including those of you who insist GOD and JAYSUS is the only way.You slap down the KORAN for the information inside, then INTERPRET your BIBLE. However if you actually READ YOUR BIBLE and place it against the KORAN, both have stories that would make your head spin. You spew that all MUSLIMS this and all MUSLIMS that – generalize away,…. WELL we can generalize as well about all CHRISTIANS. FOR INSTANCe that all CHRISTIANs are for slavery (it is in the bible) and all CHRISTIANS are for the stoning of women (IT IS IN YOUR BIBLE)And many times it is those who choose to QUESTION rather than BLINDLY FOLLOW are the ones that DO NOT LIKE WAR, WHO DO NOT JUDGE (WHICH TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS A SIN) and who are TOLERANT of the many.TOO BAD you choose not to learn tolerance, and understanding and PEACE.For I THINK I WILL FIND MY PLACE BESIDE YOUR GOD when I die because I am a GOOD PERSON rather than a judgemental poser.

  • demostheneswashdc

    LadyLiberty – given your refusal or inability to articulate the criteria by which we should select “religious” participants at governmental events, I will address the random, non-responsive points in your last post.The John Adams you cite is the same man who signed the Barbary Treaty as quoted earlier. Do you honestly believe that Franklin Graham and his anti-Islam vitriol in any way line up with the language of that treaty which stated that “the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen?”The Founding Fathers were not devotees of tent-revivalists, faith-healers, or other itinerant, offering-accepting ministers. Using those you cited as examples, history would judge that the Pentagon was entirely correct in dis-inviting Graham (take a look at President Washington’s words from 1790: “It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.”)Is it possible that through all of your ranting tangents, you have unwittingly been in agreement with the Pentagon’s decision of sponsoring an ecumenical event without firebrands from any religion? Do you have more specific and/or different criteria by which we should articulate a standard for such events? Rather than throwing stones, why don’t you try to put together a cogent basis for which government should chose its religious leaders? If you insist upon limiting yourself to Founding Fathers, please indicate which ones are acceptable models for us today. Jefferson has widely believed to have been a Deist, would he make your list of acceptable models?

  • Alex511

    fr the article:>…The “slap” is “absolutely part of a pattern of hostility toward Christianity in the federal government,” Graham said. “And I don’t know if it’s exactly from President Obama, but I’m certain that some of the men around him are very much opposed to what we stand for and what we believe.”…Once again graham spouts off about something that he knows absolutely NOTHING about. His daddy must be sooo proud of little frankie.

  • Woodstocknative

    Looks like mans plan to create religions to keep us arguing amongst ourselves is working! bless all of you!

  • prossers7

    By David Waters – You sir are an A$$

  • spidermean2

    For a change, Franklin Graham should praise Islam when one of its adherents follow the Koran by the book and crash a plane in New York the second time around.Let’s see what would be the reaction of those who criticise him now.What is so wrong when he criticise Islam for teaching that it is righteous to kill a fornicating daughter?I think what America needs is a year of preaching and not just a day of prayer. The stupidity has grown intense.If one can’t criticise stupidity, why are you guys in America in the first place? This is suppose to be the land of liberty. The liberty to expose stupidity, primarily.The First Ammendment made sure of that.Doomsday is coming. How come? Because stupidity is self destructive and a lot of idiots have filled the earth and the liberal parts of America.I think Franklin would do a better job if he sets his sights on the stupidity within America like those who believe that their great great grandpa are relatives of chimps.If there is one thing more dangerous than false religions like extreme Islam and pure Catholicism, this is it – the monkey theory.Man’s brain has turned into a monkey brain.Was it an Islamic Imam who disinvited him? Naah. Surely it’s a MONKEY THEORIST. These monkeys hold greater stupid power.

  • prossers7

    Col. Thomas Collins is an A$$

  • Phil5

    Graham is another dummy brainwashed by ignorant feeble minded parents. As are all people who practice any religion/superstition.

  • cadam72

    Christian Bible, Deuteronomy 13:6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again. For Bigots who are hate and do not understnad Islam, realize Both the Bible and Koran have violence and peace. It is all about the person and how they want to use it. Stop using the violence of a few to disparage the entire religion. Where is your anger towards Christians wanting to kills gays in Africa, David Koresh, the Hutaree Christian militia who advocated killing cops, etc? You can not look at Deuteronomy and claim that our/your own religion does not advocate violence and had not been violent. Stop being a bigot and work for peace. Get to know honorable, tax paying, middle class, Muslim parents in your neighborhood and learn they are a lot like you.

  • garoth

    Aww, c’mon, “Ladyliberty” – You’re really Sarah Palin, aren’t you? How else to account for the disturbing mixture of fact and fantasy?

  • gwcross

    simple test of fairness:Franklin Graham can come and speak about the evil of Islam. Right after they invite Louis Farakhan or his successor to speak about how Judaism is a gutter religion, and right before they invite Christopher Hitchens to speak about how all forms of prayer are delusional.THAT, and nothing less, would be fair.

  • ladyliberty1

    The Muslims may have sold slaves which is horrible, however the Christian founders of this nation were the purchasers. DGandersonThe above poster says that the founders were purchasers of slaves. That is a LIE. Slaves were not purchased after the founding of the nation. Slavery that already existed at the founding had to be dealt with. Slaves which came from Africa via Arab/Muslim – remember the Treaty of Tripoli with the Muslim pirates that America signed? Slave traders brought Africans to the West long before America became a nation. It was a problem that the founders had to contend with. Washington inherited slaves through his wife’s family. Neither Samuel not John Adams owned slaves, although Samuel was given slaves which he immediately freed.I always find it interesting on these boards, that people who claim to be Americans, descended from the founding fathers, arriving on the Mayflower, are always discrediting our history, their (supposed) forefathers, and do not speak English well.

  • mockymock

    Islam isn’t whipping women for wearing pants to work, men are… And men sit silently around the world and condone the violence by their silence. In the world of popular opinion, Islamic leaders in the US could do themselves a hell of a lot better service if they were more vocal protesting the violence against women in the name of religion. And Graham would be better served to differentiate between the two as well. No religion is more good or evil than we make it… Christians used to burn women at the stake for being witches. Is Christianity evil? not according to Graham as it apparently built this great country. Funny – I thought it was freedom, but maybe I’m being brain washed by the liberal media!! My God is better than our God – I don’t expect that argument to be resolved in anyone’s lifetime :-)

  • quent

    I went to boarding school with Franklin and he was openly a racist back then. He told me at the time that ‘his ancestors kept people like me as slaves.’ Obviously I’ve never forgotten that comment from over 40 years ago. I don’t think he has changed much, only cloaking himself with the veneer of religion.

  • Chaotician

    What a joke! Altho I suppose it is appropriate for a nation with the biggest and baddest military in the world; one that is killing, maiming, and destroying worldwide; to honor its philosophy that supports these inhumane acts in the name of defense, honor, and revenge … with a Prayer Day to invoke the divine support for its behavior! And from that viewpoint, goood ole Graham represents his religion, his cult, and its people very well!

  • ffoulks

    “Islam distorts every event of history as evidenced by the above poster’s comments that disproven by historical records. No one who knows history would believe the poster’s claims.”Please cite a European philosopher or mathematician of any significance who lived between the 6th and 10th century.

  • michaelbindner

    They should have gotten his sister to speak instead. She is a much better “preacher” even though her faith won’t ordain her.

  • spidermean2

    The monkey theory has just existed for 150 years and yet it already exceeded the death toll caused by all false religions. Hitler thought he came from a superior race and so did the Japanese. The idiots believe that the rest of humanity has some chimp genes. Give it more time and it will wipe out almost half of the world’s population — themselves.

  • dganderson13

    Lady LibertyYou LIE yet again. Last slave ship to America 1859. They were sold at that point. I am sorry you are wrong on this issue. You make it sound as though no slaves were bought or sold in America after say 1800? This is incorrect. I am not fighting just correcting. My English is quite proper thank you. You mentioned Washington and the Adams brothers, but none of the other founders that did own slaves. Selective viewing?

  • iamerican

    Crucifixion was the unique and specific punishment for only one, single “crime” under codified Roman law: the second conviction for sedition. Sedition was to deny that Pontifex Maximus/Caesar was God Almighty. Tens of thousands were crucified. Palastinians/Maronite Roman Catholics are DNA Jews who “switched” teams, from worship of the Creator, G-d of the universe, to whatever their conqueror told them.Rome’s “Pontifex Maximus” is now a gay, Hitler Youth alum whose “usher” is found to be procuring homosexual prostitutes in the Vatican.Easy enough to see Whose Invisible Hand reveals their evil for all to see.Islam is the culture of Sodom and Gomorrah, “theocratized.” America’s Creed’s three mottoes, by which G-d, History, and Science can be understood, entails obedience only to “divine Providence:” “Annuit Coeptis.”To avoid sectarian factionalism we established “Novus Ordo Seclorem,” The New Secular Order.We know divine Providence, by grace, and by the establishment of righteousness through Truth and Justice.That which is not True is not of G-d. That which is not Just is not of G-d.Bush and Cheney committed 9/11.Thomas Jefferson was a prophet of G-d and identified Rome as “the real Anti-Christ.”Graham is scum, like his father. There is no truth in them.The People, to restore citizen sovereignty, must return to G-d’s righteousness. President Obama can’t do it for us.Bush and Cheney must hang…Rome’s fascist plutocracy, “Fifth Column,” expropriated and extirpated, that divine Providence once more bless our endeavors.

  • loulor

    The U.S. Army got this one right. Franklin Graham and his hatred have no place at a national prayer day.The disinvitation was not a slap at Evangelicals, it was a slap at hatred, pure and simple.And if there are Evangelicals out there who also hate (and I swear to Pat Robertson there certainly are)…too bad.

  • demostheneswashdc

    LadyLiberty – the import/export of slaves to/from the U.S. was banned in 1808 (well after the founding of the nation). Furthermore, the internal slave trade continued (that means that they continued to be bought and sold) until slavery itself was abolished.Please address the point of the criteria you would like for the selection of religious speakers at governmental events and actually focus on the topic of this discussion string.

  • JamesK1

    “LadyLiberty” (“take your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free and SHOVE IT”) lost me when she dropped the stunning revelation that “Allah” is not the Arabic word for “God” and Christians in Arabic-speaking countries don’t use it.She doesn’t speak for all Christians, not by a long shot, and not even for a majority of evangelical Christians. I disagree theologically with my evangelical brothers and sisters, but I can usually get along with them. The exception are the hardcore types who think that anyone who doesn’t believe exactly as they do is “pseudo-Christian”. I can poke holes in her misquoting the Bible all day long, but I’m not going to stoop to her level and insist she’s not REALLY a Christian. However, it makes me mad that such attitudes have made me have to resort to specifying that I am Presbyterian early on in the conversation, since merely saying “Christian” tends to evoke stereotypes that Brother Graham tends to perpetuate.And yes, I belong to the Presbyterian Church (USA), the mainstream denomination, not one of the small, conservative splinter groups. I do believe that women called to the ministry should be ordained. Radical, I know.There is actually a history of Christians, Muslims and Jews living in relative peace and harmony.We can argue all day long about which of the Founders were Christian and how devout they were. However, we cannot escape the fact that they definitely founded this nation on the principle of religious LIBERTY. Part of the reason Americans are such a religious people is that we have such an ingrained tradition of freedom of worship. If any nation on Earth should have the capacity to demonstrate how peoples of all faiths (or no faith) can live and work together, it’s the United States of America.At least one would think…….

  • pgibson1

    Say, Graham – how ’bout you follow your hero’s advice this time, and instead of seeking glory and headlines for you and your cult, just turn the other cheek, and be meek, and evetually – EGO ASIDE – you actually may (or may not) inherit the earth.But that would be living your faith, which you don’t seem to know how to do.And you’re an actual leader of sheep? lol.Seem to me you need to go back to divinity school, and figure out just what you’re trying to do on this earth.As it is, you look like a fool, and out of step with your own ideology.

  • BlueTwo1

    Odd how the Muslim God is different from the Christian God. Onward Christian Soldiers!

  • bloodytruth

    Lady liberty your mind has be currupted by your racist and evil patriarch Franklin Graham whose mind is wicked and evil like those of the nazis and evil likud party member.Your imbecile president and his wormongering hoodlums like cheney and rumsfeld killed 3 million Iraqis,if this world last another 5000 years not one particular muslim ruler will kill 3 million christians and jews combined.you and all your cohorts including that racist evil man franklin Graham are downright liars when you say that forefathers of the country was founded with judeo-christian belief.forefathers of this country did not like jews at all.ladyliberty you are a born liars.it is an insult to the word lady and liberty associated with your kind.A misguided and corrupt gene in your brain

  • Born_of_Fire

    I pray for every one of you who condemn Franklin Graham, we must realize as the body of Jesus Christ that Islam is evil and must never be tolerated, we are at war for the souls of America and the world and I stand firm with Franklin, President Bush was completely ignorant of praising Muslims and saying they were peace loving, it is quite obvious Mr. Bush has not experienced the Holy Ghost Baptism as I would say is the same for about 80 percent of the modern Christian church. I am a Christian scholar and in a way I am glad peole are down on Franklin, because just as the prophets, the church condemened but great is his reward, I pray for our nation and ignorant people including the President, Mr. Bush and most citizens of this nation

  • cadam72

    AWATTS1, Here is the Christian Bible, Duet 13:6. Both religions have passages of violence and the best among both religions defer to the peaceful, not the violent but DO NOT beleive that Christianity is more righteous. If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.As I said before, find a nice middle class muslim family near you and lern abou themand their religion. They are just like you and me and follow the best tenets of their chosen faith. Don’t cherry pick the Koran because it could be very easy to do tht to the Christian Bible as well. Lean the greater story.

  • ladyliberty1

    1)Muslims may have sold slaves which is horrible, however the Christian founders of this nation were the purchasers. They believed God gave them supremacy over slaves. 2)The Bible does not state you must be born again to gain God’s grace and go to heaven. posted by DGanderson13________________Wrong on both points.1) Only Islam thinks itself superior to others, and Arab/Muslims are still in the slave trade to this day. Christians believe in truth. Truth reigns. It does not claim one person is superior to another. It condemns all men, and it is the grace and mercy of God that saves all men (those who believe). This produces gratitude in the one who has been saved. It is accompanied by humility that recognizes one’s own inability to do anything to merit the favor of God and certainly understands that there is nothing worthy in one’s self to gain acceptance into heaven. Christianity is the exact opposite of Islam that exhorts people to a system of works, prayer 5 times a day, footwashing, headscarf wearing, food eating, and all the other rules to make one’s self worthy. Islam promotes pride based on the faithfulness to manmade rules. Christians worship a person, the Lord Jesus Christ. Muslims work for their their own righteousness.Of course, the greatest work a Muslim can do to show his obedience to the Koran/Allah/Mohammed is to kill the infidels. This is considered a righteous act in Islam. It is, in fact, an act of Satan. Has everyone on this board forgotten the threats against the creators of the cartoon South Park? That car bomb over the weekend in Times Square was at the site of the South Park address. 2) There was a man of the pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him,”Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter th kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” John 3:1-6

  • Clarkpark

    Alan Jay Lerner got this issue right forty-two years ago “I don’t bloody care how a man prays. Lord knows there’s room in hell for all of us.”

  • Clarkpark

    That ain’t liberty, and you ain’t no lady.

  • youcancallmeroy

    Why did CNN just pull the Campbell Brown interview last night with Franklin Graham about Islam? UPDATE: I just noticed that CNN is saying the video is “no longer available.” Don’t know if this is temporary of if they have pulled it for good. If they have pulled it, it only serves to illustrate the bias going on here that Graham was talking about. UPDATE 2: I found video of the interview at YouTube uploaded by MoxNews. It is actually a more extensive clip. I’m leaving the CNN clip that is “no longer available” as a reminder that it has disappeared or been pulled. Comments

  • garoth

    Some interesting comments – as well as the normal diatribes. One that is interesting is the note about the mind-set of Graham and many of the evangelicals. I’ve been reading a dairy of the wife of a Southern General during the Civil War, and it strikes me that her mind-set was much like that of Mr. Graham (as well as some of the posters here, like Ladyliberty). They have constructed (or fabricated) a world in which they are the righteous, a closed system that allows no challenge. They cannot truly understand the opposition – it baffles them. Because theirs is a closed world-view, the only explanation for opposition is that the other must be unrighteous.In Mr. Graham’s case, it is his evangelical faith which is the closed world-view. If Jesus is “the way, the truth and the life,” then any other way must be false and, therefore, evil. To open his mind to other possibilities would be to deny his world-view and, thus, his “faith.” Those who challenge him to do this, he regards as “persecutors.”Ladyliberty, similarly, chooses her facts carefully to support her theses. In so doing, she severely distorts the truth, but a limited choosing of facts, along with some “non-factual” embellishment enables her to do precisely that, and maintain her world-view. Of course, Spidermean is another story altogether – he’s a wack-job that would be best ignored.

  • bloodytruth

    To all evil ignorants of this miserable world”There is but one God,Dios,Elohim,Yahweh,Allah,Bhagwan,Khuda all this means creator of this world and everything in it.Draw your own conclusion anybody tells you otherwise and you swallow it,it is your own twisted conclusion,which also means that your brain is not mature enough or capable of seperating lies from the truth and in this case I will pray for you.Remember ignorance is very,very expensive.

  • pgould1

    Please count me as being just shocked at Rev. Graham’s anti-Islamic rhetoric. One might mistakenly conclude we were actually at war with the religion of peace and love that stones its women to death and beheads apostates and anyone else brave enough to criticize its 11th century cultural barbarisms. That would never do.Shocked, just shocked.

  • dganderson13

    Lady Liberty according to your born again doctrine Jesus is not in heaven. Jesus was Jewish. Jesus was not and will never be a Christian. But if you want to pull one line of the bible that uses the term born again. In Leviticus it states if you do not like whom your daughter is with you must stone her. Are you for that line too? I was born Christian. Belive Jesus is my savior. Through his death I have life. So why do I have to be a horrible screw up and then say start over to get into heaven.

  • cadam72

    YouCancallmeroy, great question! Here is the answer to mostly muslim countries who do not have relgious violences: Alabania (79%),Algeria (98%), Bahrain (82%), Bosnia-Herzegovina (40%), Brunei (67%), Burkina Faso (59%), Comoros (98%), Djibouti (97%), Gambia (95%), Guinea (85%). shall I continue? As far as countries with Chritian violence, Ireland, Nigeria, Zambia, etc. How about David Koresh in America? How about Christian churches in Africa wanting to stone gays? So stop saying Islam is evil and talk about people in general who fall into the trap of religious fundamentalism fueled by ignorance, lack of knowledge of others, poverty and charismatic leaders who are in it for power across all religions.

  • papafritz571

    Graham speaks the truth while everyone else, sans Obama, is trying to be politically correct. In Obama’s case he actually believes that Islam is just fine and dandy.Posted by: POPS1 | May 5, 2010 5:26 AM *********

  • P4Potomac

    President Obama is president of all the people, not just evangelicals, Catholics, Jews, Hindus, Moslems or Mormons. We celebrate our diversity of beliefs and religious practices. We are stronger for that freedom of worship and mutual respect and tolerance.Reverend Graham can use his freedom as a bully pulpit, but he should think carefully about his castigation of the President. President Obama serves us all and has the diplomatic, security, and constitutionally mandated religious liberties of the people to safeguard. I recall a time in this country when Catholics were viewed as non Christians and discriminated against and when Jews were villified. Reverend Graham positions himself outside the mainstream of American tolerance, a tolerance that has been espoused from Jefferson, Lincoln, Bush, Obama, and young Graham’s much loved father.

  • EnemyOfTheState

    Billy Graham is on record for making some pretty vicious anti-Semitic comments, so I guess bigotry runs in the family.

  • ladyliberty1

    That ain’t liberty, and you ain’t no lady.Ah, if only you had been the first to be so clever, but, alas, it’s been said, time and time again on these boards, though, never in person. The clever saying has lost any hint of originality.

  • FarnazMansouri

    David, would like to see a column on homophobia in black churches. The harm that this has done to people close to me is not uncharacteristic.I’ve mentioned this before, as have others. Why can’t it be addressed? There are three or four black clergymen who would surely take up the issue if you feel you cannot.

  • morphex

    Respect is for persons and other living beings. But should a Presbyterian, for example, be expected to respect the belief about wine-into-blood or wafer-into-flesh? Why should a Catholic be expected to respect the belief that the Bible is both literal and inerrant? Religions, with their many absurd beliefs, systematic or otherwise, cannot all be true. They might all be false.

  • abrahamhab1

    When the younger Graham criticized Islam it is for what harm its ideology does to Muslims in particular and the world in general. Yet Muslims demonizing non-Muslims in general and Christians and Jews in particular is an article of their faith directed against the other for no other reason than who he is. Therein lies the big difference.

  • tinyjab40

    Don’t you love these people who claim to talk for God? Whether it is Franklin Graham or radical extremists on any side, they give religion a bad name.I’m with Jesus on this–Love God and love your neighbor, then leave it at that.

  • haveaheart

    “What do you even do with a mind this crippled?I don’t know, Ted. That’s a good question.What’s really scary is the number of posters on this topic who sound just like him.

  • POPS1

    Graham speaks the truth while everyone else, sans Obama, is trying to be politically correct. In Obama’s case he actually believes that Islam is just fine and dandy.

  • bushidollar

    Man, people are really getting hammered by the trolls. Judging by the demented comments of Spidermean2, Ladyliberty1, and buttraper200, they are clearly in it for the lulz. Please folks don’t feed the trolls.

  • honorswar26

    It is a shame that so many so-called Christians want to condemn Franklin Graham for being ‘intolerant’ of Islam. He is simply speaking the truth on so many levels. Islam is the truly intolerant religion as evidenced by how brutally it treats women and people of other faiths. That sounds very much like the definition of evil. If you don’t believe that, try watching one of those videos where Muslims are cutting off a person’s head while cheerfully calling out Allah Akhbar (God is great). Christianity got away from that stupidity many centuries ago.In addition, Christians need to remember their Scriptures because Jesus clearly stated “I am the way, the truth and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father except by me.” When the Son of God (which is what anyone claiming to be a Christian must accept as the truth, otherwise they are not much of a Christian) says that, then it doesn’t leave any room for a Mohammed to later on show up and say otherwise. Let’s get away from the political correctness and be more willing to accept the truth that Franklin Graham spoke. You can bet that Islamic terrorists are reading the words of criticism directed towards him and laughing at the victory that the politically-correct aka ‘cowards of the West’ are giving them in the Islamists’ quest for worldwide Islamic supremacy.

  • cadam72

    LadyLiberty, you said, “You use the Bible to make a point by picking a text without using it in context. You want to equate the commands of God to the nation of Israel warring for its existence, and at a particular point in time, certainly not for today, with the Koran’s call to kill “all” infidels, wherever they may be found. There is no equivalency. YEs, Muslim revolutionary war heroes that helped settle this great country.

  • patmatthews

    the Pentagon disinvited him from a religious event the government shouldn’t even be hosting in the first place.If the government stayed out of religious activities as they admit they should, Graham would be a non-issue. Period.Religion and government should not be involved with each other whatsoever.graham should save his hate speech for his believers. Period.The government/Pentagon should do what they do, work for the people. Period.America take your religion to church or to your neighbor and stop arguing about religion online.Life is precious, do not waste it complaining about others faith, Faith itself is an expedient, and personal. Faith is meant to improve one’s life, not denigrate another life.I am a practicing American Nichiren Buddhist for almost fifty years now, and one thing I have learned is to respect others, not in spite of their religious beliefs, but including their religious beliefs, a part of their whole.Accepting someone with their personal beliefs, is what lies at the core of RESPECT for self and others, just like they are. No change necessary. Individual Human Revolution; a change from within; is what will change the world, not accepting or changing someone else’s belief system.Patrick

  • oypay

    Franklin Graham is a control freak just like all of the other “Christian” talking heads. I say ban all religious “ceremonies” held in gov’t. offices. Most of this crap probably started in the 1950s when the gov’t. was afraid of Communists.

  • don1one

    Graham also believes all Jews are going to Hell. He couldn’t get the same positive publicity over that proclamation.Like most evangelists, the only person he really worships is himself.

  • topwriter

    the biggest boon to any evangelical would be to have a devil incarnate against which to fight and conjuring up another crusade is exactly what graham is about.the pentagon was right.graham is wrong.

  • RedCherokee

    God does not love evil. Respect evil? No.

  • ffolkes

    I shook hands with Graham back when I was a christian minister. He’s got NO presence and NO God but himself – just an empty suit. Don’t martyr him.

  • ladyliberty1

    The history of the National Day of Prayer can be traced back to 1775 as the Continental Congress “designated a time for prayer in forming a new nation.” George Washington proclaimed a day of thanksgiving and prayer in 1795. Lincoln called the nation to prayer at the height of the Civil War, as did Franklin Roosevelt on the eve of D-Day in 1944. The official National Day of Prayer is a rich American tradition and has enjoyed bipartisan support since it was signed into law by President Harry Truman.

  • Lilycat11

    Political correctness will seal our fate. By the time the nay sayers realize he’s right, it will be too late. Make no mistake, radical Islam is our enemy and no amount of coddling them will change their intent, which is to destroy the west and Israel. It’s to our detriment that our leaders and our society have become so afraid of offending anyone that they cannot see wrong in anything. I do not condone radicalism and violence that infects some who call themselves Christian either, but if you want to be honest about it, you have to admit that Islam is not a religion of peace and love. Where I see Christians standing up to decry those in their ranks whosse actions are violent and hateful, I don’t see the same coming from the Islamic world towards the murderous minions of their faith. Franklin Graham certainly is not as diplomatic as his father and I admit I’m not a big fan, but as far as rescinding his invitation for the National Day of Prayer, well that’s just typical of the stand for nothing, embrace everything world in which we live. Some of the hateful comments reflect poorly on the commenter, not on Graham. He deserves respect for all the good he does for others, but those determined to hate him will not bother to learn about it.

  • steveboyington

    The best thing of Graham’s attack of Islam’s treatment of women is that the more ardent followers of his brand of Christianity would do the exact same thing. Got any women leaders in that church, Franklin? What do YOU mean by “traditional family values”, Franklin? My guess is the same that Islam does.

  • ladyliberty1

    What a lying sack of doo-doo you are. “Filled with Muslims”. Crawl out of your rusted trailer one day soonThe above poster is clearly a Christian hater.Know this that in the day of judgment, “every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord.” Every word and deed and intent will be judged by Him and His righteousness will be the standard. One will be judged based on how he/she treated Jesus Christ. Jesus said, “As you do it unto one of these, you have done it unto Me.” The above poster’s attacks are at the children of God. It is the same as if he/she were doing it to God Himself, the same as was done to Jesus on the Cross – the abuses were hurled, the invectives were mixed with spit, and the same mockery that these posters are hurling at those who are in Christ, are their very own persecutions of Christ on the cross. Their words will be used to condemn them on judgment day.

  • Lilycat11

    Political correctness will seal our fate. By the time the nay sayers realize he’s right, it will be too late. Make no mistake, radical Islam is our enemy and no amount of coddling them will change their intent, which is to destroy the west and Israel. It’s to our detriment that our leaders and our society have become so afraid of offending anyone that they cannot see wrong in anything. I do not condone radicalism and violence that infects some who call themselves Christian either, but if you want to be honest about it, you have to admit that Islam is not a religion of peace and love. Where I see Christians standing up to decry those in their ranks whosse actions are violent and hateful, I don’t see the same coming from the Islamic world towards the murderous minions of their faith. Franklin Graham certainly is not as diplomatic as his father and I admit I’m not a big fan, but as far as rescinding his invitation for the National Day of Prayer, well that’s just typical of the stand for nothing, embrace everything world in which we live. Some of the hateful comments reflect poorly on the commenter, not on Graham. He deserves respect for all the good he does for others, but those determined to hate him will not bother to find out about it.

  • ladyliberty1

    The words of Abraham Lincoln when he called the nation to prayer are applicable today: “But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand, which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us.”

  • ArchieAndrews

    Ladyliberty, I appreciate your posts today. Thanks for taking so much time to speak the truth to a lost and dying world. They know not what they do (or say) but thankfully the Holy Spirit is the one can change hearts and minds.

  • ladyliberty1

    The “National Day of Prayer” was recently ruled unconstitutional. If the ruling of U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb had been the law of the land throughout our nation’s history, the long list of law-breakers would include the framers of our Constitution, signers of the Declaration of Independence and the president who held our Union together. Those who would have been guilty of crimes against the Constitution would have included Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman, Reagan and now, Obama.

  • demostheneswashdc

    Poor LadyLiberty. Why do you continue to spout random thoughts like one of those people screaming the “end is nigh” in a public park?The point of this discussion was the appropriateness of dis-inviting a divisive religious figure to speak at an event by a government free of religious affiliation and representative of people with a multitude of faiths, including those without a belief in the supernatural.Under what criteria would you have the government select such religious speakers? Are we simply to run the name past you for your mis-informed and mal-educated opinion?

  • ladyliberty1

    Ladyliberty, I appreciate your posts today. Thanks for taking so much time to speak the truth to a lost and dying world. They know not what they do (or say) but thankfully the Holy Spirit is the one can change hearts and minds.Thank you, Mr. Andrews. Yours is the only kind post I have ever had on one of these boards where a faith article has been written. A kind word does so much for a weary heart. Blessings to you and your family, and God have mercy on our nation. “In wrath, may He remember mercy.” Habakkuk 3:2Actually, let me quote that verse in its entirety, as it is applicable today.”O LORD, I have heard Your speech

  • acpress

    In all major religions there have been wicked people exploiting their religion for their own interests. Surely Mr. Graham knows about Martin Luther’s movement against them. Hitler wrote ” I am doing God’s work”; so was the work of Milosevic in the massacre of Bosnian Muslims and in the massacre of Sabra and Shattila. Does it take less than a wicked man to abuse choir boys? We can all pick our bones of hatred from the morass of humanity. I suggest Graham read Carlyle and Sarton. Not a single oppressive Muslim country exists on its own without the sponsorship of the Western Christians and not a single Western bank including those of Switzerland and Cayman Island exist without Muslim money. The chaos in Muslim lands is mostly because of the economic strife the West creates everyday.

  • unityman

    First, I am a Christian pastor and I resent Graham’s assertion that his narrow, literalist version of Christianity represents “the” Christian view. It doesn’t, and it doesn’t offend me in the slightest hat Graham didn’t get invited to any government event. Second, it’s interesting to me that conservative Christians who generally bristle at the idea of government interfering with individual liberties think it’s great for the government to insert itself into events like National Prayer Day. When government gets involved in religion, issues like who gets invited to events can’t help but arise. Better to keep government out of activities like prayer and leave those activities to people of faith and their institutions.

  • spidermean2

    “How terrible, how terrible it is for the great city, where all who had ships at sea became rich from her wealth, because has it been destroyed in a single hour!” (Rev. 18:19)Do the ignorant posters here know the major causes why this disastrous event will happen?Nope, not even the Pentagon.

  • bushidollar

    Posted by: demostheneswashdc | May 5, 2010 “Poor LadyLiberty. Why do you continue to spout random thoughts like one of those people screaming the “end is nigh” in a public park?The point of this discussion was the appropriateness of dis-inviting a divisive religious figure to speak at an event by a government free of religious affiliation and representative of people with a multitude of faiths, including those without a belief in the supernatural.”The answer is clear, LadyLiberty1 is a troll. From Wikipedia:In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. In addition to the offending poster, the noun “troll” can also refer to the provocative message itself, as in that was an excellent troll you posted. While the term troll and its associated action, trolling, are primarily associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels highly subjective, with trolling being used to describe many intentionally provocative actions outside of an online context.

  • demostheneswashdc

    Thank you Bush|Dollar for the vocabulary lesson. Isn’t it a pity that we need to have a word to describe this kind of person?Regardless of the label, it is lamentable that someone who purports to be a Christian chooses to state falsehoods and obfuscate rather than having the courage of their convictions and obeying the prohibition on bearing false witness.

  • lexcathedra

    Graham calls Islam “evil and wicked” for good reason. It had an evil and wicked beginning. See:

  • spidermean2

    It’s ironic that those who defend Islam whose lifestyle and perspective (liberal, atheistic, evolutionist, gay-marrying, abortionist, pornographic, licentious, etc) is the major cause why Islamists want to burn the whole of America. In a way, Franklin may be right in pointing out the dirt in Islam, but missed the bigger point why the attack happened.

  • dcdoug

    Talk about “Judging others lest ye be judged”, sheesh…

  • allknowingguy

    Well, I certainly hope there is a “pattern of hostility” toward Christianity, and all other religions, in the Federal government. This country needs it.

  • iamweaver

    Publius76 writes:You forgot to mention that Obama made a special trip to Billy Graham’s remote mountain home to get some of the evangelical ambiance on him. Political liberals take the prize for hypocrisy everytime.I defy you to explain why a person cannot hold a differing opinion about a father and their son, or one pastor and their successor, or one political leader and their successor, or any other combination of two different people performing the same job.

  • spidermean2

    Suicide bombers think they will be rewarded by God coz they assume they are fighting the “GREAT SATAN”.

  • wireman65

    “But that is not the faith of this country. And that is not the religion that built this nation. The people of the Christian faith and the Jewish faith are the ones who built America, and it is not Islam.” What utter horse sh…..

  • laboo

    “Some of the hateful comments reflect poorly on the commenter, not on Graham. He deserves respect for all the good he does for others, but those determined to hate him will not bother to find out about it.”I don’t hate Graham, and I do respect the good work he does (though it should come with NO strings attached). But I do hate the bigotry he espouses in this instance. Demonizing Islam serves no good end — it only inflames the extremists of BOTH religions.

  • spidermean2

    The Islamists might be scratching their heads why of all people, those who represent the “great Satan” in America are the ones defending them in this discussion board.Or could they be laughing?

  • spidermean2

    Bin Ladin admitted that the last straw was the Bill Clinton affair with Lewinsky. He can’t accept that a satanic world leader is pulling the strings in world affairs especially in the Muslim world.

  • demostheneswashdc

    SPIDERMEAN2 misses the mark just as badly as LadyLiberty.The theological merits of the three religions of Abraham (i.e., Judiasm, Islam, and Christianity) is not the point of this discussion any more than it is really at the bottom of the terrorist activities of a relatively small group of radical Muslims.SPIDERMEAN – would you endorse a theocracy based on the fundamentalist evangelism of a relatively small group of Christians?As James Madison wrote in 1785, governmental support of religion: “will destroy that moderation and harmony which the forbearance of our laws to intermeddle with Religion has produced among its several sects. Torrents of blood have been split in the old world, by vain attempts of the secular arm, to extinguish Religious disscord, by proscribing all difference in Religious opinion. Time has at length revealed the true remedy. Every relaxation of narrow and rigorous policy, wherever it has been tried, has been found to assauge the disease.”As Americans of any faith or of no faith, we must guard against the arrogance of any religious sect, regardless of its number of adherents, prevailing in its effort to destroy one of the fundamental principles of this country, one that predates even our own Constitution. Governmental sanction of the divisive and vitriolic “Christianity” as represented by Mr. Graham would most assuredly undermine our uniquely American tradition.

  • GaryD3

    There’s a very pungent Bob Dylan song “With God on Our Side” that touches the heart of this. If God is truly on our side, who is the one who made that decision? I find Dr. Graham and others like him to be a little too anxious to make that call. The arrogance of putting words in God’s mouth is. . . is. . . well, maybe that’s what the commandment regarding taking the Lord’s name in vain is all about. I’m told there is a Facebook group praying for Barack Obama’s death. Does this action of a few merit calling lumping all of Christianity as “an evil and wicked religion”?Dr. Graham, no one has the right to be smug about their faith and their salvation: or have you also forgotten the Biblical passage, “Judge not, that ye not be judged”?

  • lindy226

    Finally someone with courage!

  • iamweaver

    Publius76 writes:You forgot to mention that Obama made a special trip to Billy Graham’s remote mountain home to get some of the evangelical ambiance on him. Political liberals take the prize for hypocrisy everytime.I defy you to explain why a person cannot hold a differing opinion about a father and their son, or one pastor and their successor, or one political leader and their successor, or any other combination of two different people performing the same job.

  • ProudAmerican1

    No matter how you cut it, Christianity is being slammed and is not being given the rights of other religions anymore. This is a fine example. And it’s frightening for our nation.

  • mono1

    the bigst and greatest favor obama can do to the the nation (the people by the people and for the people )is to encourage people to read a good honest book about not only religion but world culture in general and contribution to humanity.so far world religion and world culture were looked upon by ignorant delusional bigoted heads.so please be culture alert.obama signed a proclamtion for praying day(gratitude and humility),i,l vote for book day or knowldge day,if you think knowldge is expensive or *unconstituional * try the price of ignorance that the nation(people by the people and for the people ) pay as well as the rest of the world .knowldge never died for your sin!!!!

  • dcdoug

    Proudamerican1- , the sportsworld calls it parity and no one says that’s a bad thing.

  • hofbrauhausde

    Alex, I’ll take “Terrorists Named Brad” for 500.

  • James10

    On another topic, when will there be a column about xenophobia we see in so many black churches?Posted by: FarnazMansouri | May 4, 2010 11:53 PM I’ve seen a bit on that and I have no doubt we’ll see more long before we see a column on the xenophobia in synagogues.

  • Matthew_DC

    Mr. Graham’s version of Christianity seems like an evil and wicked heresy to some other Christians. If traditional Christians have to tolerate it, so be it, but his casting stones at Islam is rich. It’s not as if he occupies an widely-recognized, undisputed moral high ground. Far from it, actually.

  • ladyliberty1

    First of all, the article is full of inaccuracies, twistings of truth, conjectures, and possibly, out and out lying.The “faith” section of the Washington Post, would be more appropriately termed “evangelical christianity slammed.” Everyone other religion gets a pass, but evangelicals are mischaracterized and demonized. One poster had it right when he/she said something to the effect, “the majority of “christians” do not buy into the “evangelical” christianity.” That’s one of the truer statements on this board. They want to distance themselves from Franklin Graham, and by doing so reveal themselves to be “christian” in name only. The majority of religious people going to a liberal or mainstream church in America is just that, a churchgoer, but not a “born again believer.” In that day, Jesus will say to them, “I never knew you. Depart from me.”I have stopped reading the “faith” section of WaPo because the writers don’t have clue about genuine Christianity. They are like someone writing a cookbook who has never cooked. Or, someone teaching golf, who has never played. They should give it up. They fail miserably. The only reason that I read this article was because of the subject. I know Franklin Graham, and the Graham family, and have known them all of my life. And, I know what it is to be a Christian, to have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. And, I know what the Bible says. I’ve read it for more than 40 years. And, when I say that Franklin Graham is truthful, and loving, and kind, and honest, and a man of integrity, with no hatred in his heart, but only compassion, I am speaking the truth, and Mr. Waters has twisted his presentation of who Mr. Graham is.And, Mr. Waters out and out fabricated Rev. Billy Graham’s comment about the problem of the world being disease and poverty. Rev. Graham KNOWS that the problem with mankind is that he is sinful, desperately wicked, and in need of a Saviour. His whole life’s message has been based on that – telling the world that “Jesus Christ came into the world to save SINNERS.” It is the message that those on this board, hate. They want to make Islam and Christianity equal, and they are not.The silly paragraph that finished with a “what if?” shows the absolute lack of discernment of the writer. Does he not know that 5 times a day, every Muslim prays for the death of all who are not Muslims. These people who go out of their way to protect all things Muslim are fools.

  • GoomyGommy

    What is it about this ‘RELIGION’ that you don’t understand. They MURDER THEIR DAUGHTERS if they refuse to Marry the guy they SELL HER TO. They dance in the streets, and hand out pastries, when the BOMB that they strapped on their KID goes off. Hopefully MURDERING a JEW or a CHRISTIAN, or anyone else who doesn’t worship their Blood Soaked Prophet.

  • sthoffmann1

    To assert “a history of anti-Semitic statements” based on private comments, the meaning of which in relation to Jews is not so clear, is a tendentious judgment of Billy Graham. I wonder what remark David Waters has made in the last 5 years in private that would “prove” something about his prejudices.

  • ladyliberty1

    Those in media, and those on these boards who slam Christianity while embracing Islam are fools.Judith Miller at Fox is out and out stupid. She refused to call the Ft. Hood killer a terrorist. This morning, she stuttered and called the NY attempt by the Pakistani naturalized American the “t” word. Then she followed it by, “at least he isn’t Muslim.” How stupid is that, and why the avoidance of using the correct term? and, why be thankful that Shazdad isn’t Muslim. The media are Muslim lovers, and it comes through with all their biased reporting. They were jubuliant to report on the Christian Terrorist group in Michigan, the Hutaree. They drooled at the mouth while trying to make a non-story a story. The case has been dismissed. Did anyone hear?

  • jimfilyaw

    it is taken for granted by most people that the leaders of large and long established american denominations possess certain attributes such as tolerance. that’s an inexcusable mistake. the southern baptist convention, although it claims to be creed-free, shares an deep adherence among the great majority of its members to one cardinal principle, that being that religious tolerance is an absolute sin. they could no more respect the beliefs of a muslim or hindu or (for many) a roman catholic than they could take flight.

  • ghp60

    Few people, it seems, remember Franklin Graham’s comment about “nuking” Afghanistan after 9-11-2001. That sentiment was somewhat understandable after the 9-11 atrocity, but never from a Christian leader. He realized there were millions of innocents that would be killed had such advice been followed, and said it anyway. Perhaps he has, but I have never heard him apologize and repent from such an un-Christian position. Put away your sword, Franklin, you do not know what spirit ye are of.

  • Hhah72

    Like father like son. The father had a dark views on Jews and the son has dark views on Muslims and they have more than billion dollars, I wish to see their Swiss bank account?

  • ladyliberty1

    Mr. Waters, I challenge you to give the anti-semitic quotes of Rev. Graham! Go ahead, give us the dates and the exact quotes. In 91 years, you should be able to produce a reasonable number which would substantiate your ridiculous claim. The fact is that you are lying. Out and out LYING. KNOWingly LYING. There is one setting where Rev. Graham agreed with a statement of insult to the Jewish people by Richard Nixon. That’s it. Mr. Graham DOES NOT have a history of hating the Jewish people and displaying that hatred through comments and/or actions. Mr. Waters, you are a liar when you say that Rev. Graham has a HISTORY of ANTI-Semitism.

  • MarylandBear

    “What is so wrong when he criticise Islam for teaching that it is righteous to kill a fornicating daughter?”Well, Graham’s own holy book teaches that its okay to stone a rebellious child (Deuteronomy 21:18-22). But I guess its okay because that’s Christianity and not Islam, right?

  • politbureau

    Franklin Graham is a whited sepulchre.

  • ladyliberty1

    Like father like son. The father had a dark views on Jews and the son has dark views on Muslims and they have more than billion dollars, I wish to see their Swiss bank account?There is an adage that applies to the above poster, “Better to keep one’s mouth closed, and be thought a fool, than to open it, and reveal one’s self a fool.”

  • CharlesADavidson1

    “You forgot to mention that Obama made a special trip to Billy Graham’s remote mountain home to get some of the evangelical ambiance on him. Political liberals take the prize for hypocrisy everytime.”To the poster, about 8 years ago Billy Graham published his memoir. Ina Today show interview with Matt Lauer, he was asked what one thing do you think about you would people be most surprised by? his answer “that I am a democrat”. That aside President Obama has visited with many religious leaders of many sects. If the Graham visit (to paraphrase) was intended only to raise his christian street cred. then puts him along such rabid anti-christian leaders as GW Bush, Clinton, GHW Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy and Eisenhower.On an unrelated note, does anyone know if their are any representatives from other than the ‘big three’ i.e. Hindu, Buddhist, Unitarian Universalist, etc? Should WE consider this a “slap in the face”?

  • ladyliberty1

    I went to boarding school with Franklin and he was openly a racist back then. He told me at the time that ‘his ancestors kept people like me as slaves.’ Obviously I’ve never forgotten that comment from over 40 years ago. I don’t think he has changed much, only cloaking himself with the veneer of religion. The lake of fire and eternal damnation has been reserved for all liars.

  • thornegp2626

    UPDATE: Graham’s disinvitation has prompted a Republican congressman from Georgia to call for a congressional investigation into possible “clerical censorship” by the Pentagon, Religion News Service is reporting.

  • robertmerry

    Because religion is in the belief is truth business, it breeds extremism as a simple matter of course. If you, as a religious person, believe that you have received revealed, true wisdom from God the source of all truth, then you may move to an ideological position that cannot stand or tolerate even the mere presence of any other views be they atheistic or those of other faiths. If there should ever come a day when the religious actually understand that it is simply belief and perhaps may not be truth, then perhaps the world will be on the road towards peace on earth. Otherwise not and so it goes and has gone for the entire length of our historic era and perhaps back into prehistory.

  • greeenmtns

    Evangelical christianity deserves to be slapped by the government. So does any religion seeking to create a theocracy. The US is a secular nation and it’s going to stay that way, regardless of the efforts by racist homophobic religious extremists, whether they be taliban or evangelical christians.

  • cadam72

    2001-NOV-16: According to MSNBC, Franklin Graham appeared on the NBC Nightly News, commenting on Islam. He said: “We’re not attacking Islam but Islam has attacked us. The God of Islam is not the same God. He’s not the son of God of the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It’s a different God, and I believe it [Islam] is a very evil and wicked religion.” This statement is confusing because he seems to imply that Jews believe that Jesus is the son of God — a belief that is contrary to historical Jewish belief. He continued: “I don’t believe this is a wonderful, peaceful religion. When you read the Koran and you read the verses from the Koran, it instructs the killing of the infidel, for those that are non-Muslim.” When asked by NBC News to clarify his statement, Graham repeated his charge that Islam, as a whole, is an evil. “It wasn’t Methodists flying into those buildings, it wasn’t Lutherans. It was an attack on this country by people of the Islamic faith.” Bigot,plain and simple.

  • ladyliberty1

    Ironically enough, the rise of modern-day evangelical Christianity is directly traceable to a reaction against school integration in the South. People who were previously sent to a public school were instead sent to religious schools- the equivalent of Christian madrassas. Ironically, by riding ourselves of the evil of legal school segregation, we now have the evil of three generations raised without having any significant level of historical or scientific knowledge. The above poster thinks America started with public schools, sadly the result of a liberal/public education.All Americans, prior to the establishment of the public schools in the 20th century were schooled in the communities, usually in the Churches, with daily Bible readings, and using the McGuffey reader which was written by a theologian. The higher levels of education at the Universities of Princeton, Harvard and Yale were established to train young men in the ministry. Furthermore, 29 of the 56 signers of America’s Declaration were seminary graduates. In the establishing of America, the educated were those who were also the clergy – Christians, not Imams. Rewriting American history by the liberals is being challenged by those whose whose ancestors shaped this land, and who left documentation of what America was like during the Revolution. For those who want to rewrite history, many of our great grandparents left records of the Civil War. It is always the method of Islam to come into a country and destroy the history and rewrite it.

  • simonbm

    Graham faith stands for hatred, him and his father just ribbing people and collecting money. He appeals to the white trash, trailer park crowd.

  • truthhurts

    Ironic that Crusades have been used to spread the Gospel by Franklin family. My grandmother would simply not miss a Billy Graham event broadcast in prime time. Unfortunately the propagandists of Extremist Islam use the example of Christian Crusades on Arab soil to discredit the West and our imperialistic tendencies ?Labeling all Islam evil because of the actions of a few, like the 25 programmed extremists that pulled of 09/11 maybe, shows a certain irrationality to me in that there are over one-billion Muslims in the world ? WAPO is unique in that there is interfaith dialogue published here. I have become somewhat obsessed with Sufism and the writings of a Persian, Rumi. Seems these Purists of Faith in the Muslim world practice real piety void of a brand of Capitalism which has been intertwined with Christian Church/State empires back to the Romans. Seems that in America those purveyors of God, Guns and Country need an enemy for Crusading to include Communism back to the 1950s. Being raised Baptist myself, I experienced equality firsthand through the Church. That to me, was a good thing. Imagine being the only White Couple at an all Black Congregation in Houston, Texas. We were made to feel welcome, asked to return and told, “Don’t worry about tithing, we know everyone is havin rough times now”.

  • ladyliberty1

    But that is not the faith of this country. And that is not the religion that built this nation. The people of the Christian faith and the Jewish faith are the ones who built America, and it is not Islam.”Yeah, wireman65, show us those Mosques from 1776. How about the Muslim cemetaries from the 1800′s. How about Mosques from the 19th century? No, the Mosque in every state and the 1200 Mosques in American are all recent constructions.

  • rlj1

    He’s a jerk and not man enough to step up to the plate and accept responsibility for his own words. You made statements and you have to live with them but that doesn’t mean others have to listen to your hate and the decision was made to not. Free speech.

  • ladyliberty1

    In 1797, our government, which still included many of the Founding Fathers, signed and ratified the Barbary Treaty with the Muslim government at Tripoli. Article XII of that treaty provided: “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”Treaty of TripoliEvery Muslim sympathizer, who is also probably a law student at a University, uses this on every forum to support their claim that America was not founded as a Christian nation.No, America was founded by men who believed in the God of the Bible. They were Godly men. They were not Allah’s men.The Treaty of Tripoli was to make peace with the Muslims who were pirating our ships. The Arab/Muslims were known for that. They were also the slave traders providing slaves to the West. They still practice slave trade and they are still pirating ships, as was just recently in the news.

  • Alislam1

    Obviously bigoted people see darkness all around. Closed mind and tunnel vision. Most of the commentators are right. If you follow the example of the Holy Prophet ( peace be upon him) you would realize what true Islam is about. In time decadence sets in and people create their own faith or their version of faith. Mr. Graham has done the same. See true Islam at http://www.alislam.org

  • smynola06

    When is this blind apeasement going to end? When will people open their eyes? How many people need to die before the islam’s nature is clear to anyone? All the horrible crimes commited in the name of Christianity are due to fanaticism and misunderstanding of the God’s word. All the acts commited by Muslims are because of following exactly what Koran teaches. Acceptance of other religions is admirable virtue as long as they are peaceful. There is nothing peaceful about Islam.

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  • ladyliberty1

    Evangelical christianity deserves to be slapped by the government. So does any religion seeking to create a theocracy. The US is a secular nation and it’s going to stay that way, regardless of the efforts by racist homophobic religious extremists, whether they be taliban or evangelical christians.You might want to tell the Obama administration which is filled with Muslims working to bring in more Muslims. Turn around and this “secular” nation that you ascribe to will be “Islamic.”

  • spidermean2

    MarylandBear wrote “Well, Graham’s own holy book teaches that its okay to stone a rebellious child (Deuteronomy 21:18-22). But I guess its okay because that’s Christianity and not Islam, right? “What an idiot. Did you hear any evangelical preacher taught it? The Bible is not for idiots, otherwise , people like you would follow it to the letter.

  • tossnokia

    Their young men are marched forward as cannon fodder. That’s when they aren’t being squareheads. A brave world full of religion, knavery and change. We shall shortly see better days. Roundheads, 1682. Keep your cannons ready. Sea communications are still secure. Time marches on and on.

  • ladyliberty1

    People who declare a group “evil and wicked” are usually the most wicked of all. They look for evil in everyone who does not believe in their hate-filled assertions.The above poster fails to see that he has declared himself/herself “evil, hate-filled, and wicked.” I guess he/she has judged him/herself. How funny.

  • burlough

    Everything these jokers say is vetted to gauge how much it’ll bring in from the True Believers. Betcha $10 Graham has a direct mail piece going out today, I need your Huge Gift to fight the WH’s muzzling a man who speaks the Truth about these sons of Ishmael. Won’t you join me for standing up for what’s Right?Bet on it. He’ll bring in a mil, easy.For fun, send him $10, get on his mailing list forever.

  • spidermean2

    greeenmtns wrote “The US is a secular nation and it’s going to stay that way,”The Bible prophesies that it’s not gonna stay that way for too long. So who do you think will fade away?Doomsday is coming to confirm the Bible prophecies.

  • fresno500

    Whites have been getting a pass on their racist statements.He is being held accountable. Despite the hyperpole, this is as it should be.When Obama is out of office, I’m sure the passes will resume.

  • red2million

    djmcfly, could you explain to me what an imposter president is? I was alive during the last presidential election, and guess what? Obama your MASTER recieved more votes than the grandpappy/vacuous airhead quitter ticket, and more electoral votes. is an imposter more like someone who received less votes than their opponent, and was then installed by the supreme court? I don’t recall any hanging chads or recounts in the last election. Our man won fair and square unlike yours. Personally I wish Obama would outlaw guns and the bible just to drive you people over the edge where you belong.

  • ladyliberty1

    graham should save his hate speech for his believers. Period. Posted by PatMatthewsSo, Mr. Graham says that Islam is vile and wicked.When that message is countered with the same only directed at Christianity, is that hate speech? IOW, when those who denounce Mr. Graham say that Christianity is a hateful, bigoted religion, is that hate speech?

  • slim2

    Common sense and sense of history would dictate that any US military intervention in the Mideast be devoid of any religious overtones. Franklin Graham seems to be a man devoid of common sense.

  • ladyliberty1

    Personally I wish Obama would outlaw guns and the bible just to drive you people over the edge where you belong.So, your choice for a leader would be a tyranical dictator? Are you a naturalized citizen who could have children who could grow up to the president? Or, are you native born, and want a dictator?

  • ladyliberty1

    Because religion is in the belief is truth business, it breeds extremism as a simple matter of course. Posted by RobertMerryHere’s the extremism:Christians tell you that when you die, having rejected the gift of eternal life in Christ Jesus, you will be eternally separated from God and be eternally damned.Muslims tell you that if you do not bow down to Allah, live with Sharia law which dictates every action, you must die. Which one is more extreme? Off with head now? Or, an eternity of damnation?In case you miss it:Christianity gives you a choice: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved from your sins, and live eternally in God’s Kingdom or righteousness, or live eternally in the lake of fire.Islam gives you a choice: bow down to Allah and live by his laws, or die.

  • eatinglowonthefoodchain

    From wikipedia in regards to the US Supreme Court building, and please note the inclusiveness of the actual building, which also states over the entrance: “Equal Justice Under Law”Note these Courtroom friezes – “The South Wall Frieze includes figures of lawgivers from the time before Jesus and includes Menes, Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius, and Augustus. The North Wall Frieze shows lawgivers from the time after Jesus and includes representations of Justinian, Muhammad, Charlemagne, John of England, Louis IX of France, Hugo Grotius, Sir William Blackstone, John Marshall, and Napoleon.”This building was built in 1932. Apparently, the US was not a “Christian Nation” at that time as it was quite inclusive religiously, but please note the gender discrimination! Pretty obvious.

  • red2million

    Although I can’t believe what a huge horde of mindless sheep conservatives are, all I have to do is read these posts, and watch and listen to your “leaders” to understand why so many join the fold. Others think for you, and if you don’t like something you just make things up. Ladyliberty could we have a list of the many muslims in the Obama administration? Can you explain to us why they attend “christian” churches instead of going to the muslim temple? Can you produce one tiny shred of evidence to support your ludicrous and absurd statements? Must be nice to live in a world where you just make up outrageous lies. But what’s really astounding is how many of you mindless, koolaid guzzling moronatards believe it. Obama’s really not a citizen, and he’s a muslim, but he’s fooled everyone in the world but the lunatic teabaggers. yeah, sure, spin another one. Guess when the facts aren’t on your side you’ve got nothing left but desperation that leads to outrageous lies and fantasies. I would love it myself if Obama came out today and said Islam will now be the official religion of the US. I hope he spends his entire presidency doing things to push you unstable people over the egdge. Of course he hasn’t done half of what you people accuse him of. You believe in a fairy tale and you make up fairy tales. sick.

  • red2million

    no ladyliberty, the tyrannical dictators were in the WH for eight years before Obama. We’ve already tried that. my comments were tongue in cheek, Obama doesn’t have the authority to outlaw much without the consent of Congress, and obviously any fifth grader knows outlawing a religion or all firearms would never hold up against judicial challenge. My apologies, I should have known my comment would be over your head. I’ll dumb them down in the future. i must have forgotten I was addressing some who are “conservative” which means unable to formulate indpendent rational thoughts, and that you believe the most outrageous and preposeterous fantasies.

  • spidermean2

    Here is just one of the many prophecies :”You know that the saints (true Christians) will rule the world, don’t you?” (1 Cor. 6:2)When Apostle Paul prophesied this, they were just a few and oftentimes persecuted. Give it a few years more and you’ll see the fulfillment of it.Doomsday will prove who is the ultimate bearer of the truth.

  • spidermean2

    Fairy tales? Yup, it’s a fairy tale to think that soil and water will turn into a brain if you’re just willing to wait a million years. These idiots never will learn.

  • tygseflrpdme

    As a group you do not find Christians blowing themselves up amongst a crowd of the innocents. It is partly religion and partly Bedouin culture. The Arab tribes have warred with someone since before ever. They are a violent people, a people more concerned with pride than justice, easily insulted, always vengeful. Franklin has a point, which doesn’t excuse history, but fore warns us of what we must deal with.

  • MarylandBear

    “As a group you do not find Christians blowing themselves up amongst a crowd of the innocents.”No, you just find them going into churches, shooting doctors, then pointing their guns at the ushers who tried to stop them from fleeing.

  • spidermean2

    “How terrible, how terrible it is for the great city, where all who had ships at sea became rich from her wealth, because has it been destroyed in a single hour!” (Rev. 18:19)Who would have thought 2000 years ago that a great city can possibly be destroyed in a single hour? What seems to be a fairy tale before is very realistic now.If it seems that burning in eternity is fairy tale today, think again. Speechless was how the Bible described those

  • juke2

    Evangelical christian kahunas have lost tolerance, temperance and humbleness in their quest of dominating the political sway.

  • spidermean2

    If it seems that burning in eternity is fairy tale today, think again. Speechless was how the Bible described those who missed the train.

  • ladyliberty1

    Common sense and sense of history would dictate that any US military intervention in the Mideast be devoid of any religious overtones. Franklin Graham seems to be a man devoid of common sense.The above poster seems devoid of knowledge.All the recorded battles of America’s past who men who were full faith in the Living God. Their letters to family members are recorded for all to read and to marvel at. Look at the letters of those in the Civil War. It is our faith in God that has been the impetus for the unselfish acts of valor in our country’s past. Men committed to God, were also committed to country, and will to sacrifice their lives for both. Love, honor and duty were their virtues which came from a strong faith. This produced a strong military. Not Muslim, but Christian as their unifying bond. To introduce Muslims, Pagans, Wiccans, and Animists, as well as Atheists, just weakens the cohesiveness they once had. It is the plan of those, even in our military to destroy the mighthy force. Even Mr. Obama’s recent comment revealed his disdain for the might of our military. “Like it or not….” was a a strange way to speak or our military’s strength by the Commander in Chief. I guess he would rather be the Commander in Chief of a peacekeeping force. Now that is one who lacks common sense.

  • dataflunky

    His father never met a dictator he didn’t like. Franklin Graham never met a Moslem he did.

  • spidermean2

    I think it is more worrisome to think that the American government spearheaded by the Pentagon will choose to disinvite a preacher for stating what is supposed to be the truth. The real issue here is an atheist’s petition to disinvite the preacher and like a headless chicken, the Pentagon complied.Imagine, a very powerful military entity heeding to the voice of a scientifically proven idiocy. For the sake of separation of Church and State, the state should disregard all petitions coming from atheists. Not only it is a religion, it is a very crazy one.

  • red2million

    spiderman2 if you’re an American than I’m not sure why you take issue with people who don’t believe what some men wrote down in a book, esecially when no one knows how what is in that book today compares to what they actually wrote. In America we get to decide if we want to believe in that book or not, and many choose not to. some even believe in another completely different book. Also, as to prophecies, I don’t put any stock in them. It’s like when I hear Nostradamus said this and that and it means this or that. It’s open to interpretation. You have the right to believe the book, and the rest of us have the right not to. And we ain’t scurred. everyone dies in the end. No one gets out alive. If it’s comforting for people to believe they’ll awake to the land of milk and honey, that’s fine by me. but i’m not buying it. there is no waking. when you’re dead, it’s over. That’s why a bug with a brain the size of an atom naturally runs from death.

  • Saveus2

    Jews founded this nation? Huh? If so I want nothing to do with it. Graham – like his father – is a nobody who loves to proselytize for a shill religion. And Americans buy it all, no questions asked. He is not unlike his Israeli brothers. Build a fence against your perceived enemy. Prevent them from working, traveling, providing for themselves. Not only should he be disinvited from the party he should be banned from speaking. Period.

  • ladyliberty1

    As a group you do not find Christians blowing themselves up amongst a crowd of the innocents.”MarylandBear, Name the people who have gone into churches and shot doctors in the past 20 years.Would that be one? or, two?Now, name the number of Muslims who have attempted attacks on NYC subways in the past year. ELEVEN have failed.Now, name the number of people killed in churches over the past 20 years.One? Two? Three?Now, name the number of people kill on 9/11 by Muslim Terrorists.THREE THOUSANDNow, name the number of threats by christians to non-christians over the past year.ZERONow, consider the failed attempt to kill many people in the theatre district of NYC this past weekend. The above poster is severely and mentally challenged when presented with facts and the equivalency of numbers. The above poster thinks one equals a thousand. The public school system is terribly flawed in teaching math and equivalency and logic.

  • maggots

    Graham said:That’s the same kind of “love” that the Spanish Inquisition showed to Muslims and Jews. Their mentality was “We love you so much that we will torture you in this life to convert to Christianity so that you won’t face the tortures of Hell in the next life.

  • spidermean2

    MarylandBear wrote “No, you just find them going into churches, shooting doctors,”Although I don’t subscribe to the idea of shooting abortionists, the shooters were not shooting those people for being doctors but for being murderers of a forming child.Also, it’s not a Christian doctrine to shoot abortionist in the first place. Another idiotic comment of yours.

  • JamesK1

    @LadyLiberty (and what an ironic title), please don’t tell other Christians what they must believe.The Bible does not say that a person must make a choice to believe (interesting concept) “on” Jesus or “live eternally in the lake of fire”. It actually says that those who fail to feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, welcome the stranger, care for the sick, and visit those in prison are the ones destined for said fiery lake (see Matt 25).However, I will not presume to judge the depth of your faith based on your interpretation of the Bible, so I respectfully ask you do the same for other Christians.Christianity has a very rich diversity of opinion based on the common confession that “Jesus is Lord”. As a Presbyterian, I don’t belive that I have to make a conscious choice to believe in Christ in order to avoid sulphurous ponds. God is sovereign over all Creation, and only God can choose what to do with me in the afterlife. Meanwhile, I have my instructions: Love the Lord my God with all my heart, soul, and mind; and Love my neighbor as myself. Now I suppose some would accuse John Calvin of being a “Christian in Name Only”, but Christians (including Calvin himself) have a rich history of attacking each other as heretics.I am equally horrified by the violent murder of Dr. George Tiller in his church DURING WORSHIP by someone who doubtless considers the late Dr. Tiller a “Christian in name only” as I am by an honor killing in Saudi Arabia as I am by a woman dying in the practice of Sati in India. However, only the first involves my religion, and only the first involves my nation. I am commanded by my Lord to remove the plank from my own eye before I point out the speck in another’s. I can’t ignore atrocious acts done in the name of another religion, but I must acknowledge the presence of fundamentalist zealots in my own, else I am rightly targeted for hypocrisy.And by the way, Christians who speak Arabic refer to God as “Allah”. Jesus himself never used the word “God”, which is Germanic. He likely used “Elohim”, which is the root of “Allah”.I don’t have to agree with Muslims on theology (I trust that God has a plan or them just as He does for me), nor should I expect to be an apologist for their fundamentalist extremists any more than they should be apologists for those who identify as Christian. However, if there is an opportunity for my church to join forces with a synagogue and a mosque to help homeless children (as mine does), by all means we are called to do so. Brother Graham’s comments hurt that cause by sowing mutual distrust, and in my opinion that’s what makes them so dangerous and sinful.

  • ladyliberty1

    I would love it myself if Obama came out today and said Islam will now be the official religion of the US. Posted by RedMillion2Well, RedMillion2 is a Muslim. I appreciate when people tell the truth. RedMillion2 in previous posts says America is a “secular” nation. This is the ploy of the Muslims. Declare America “secular” then move it in the direction of becoming all things “Muslim.” The Muslims do not believe in the Ten Commandments because to do so would deny them the privilege of violating the commandment which says, “Do not bear false witness.” Islam is the only religion that advocates “lying” to accomplish the end goal, which is “all things Islam/Muslim/Sharia.RedMillion2, you have the special envoy to the Muslim world, Rashaid Hassan, Yale law graduate, and you have Dalia Mogahed as director for the faith based outreach to spread Islam in the prison and inner cities. Then there are at least 30 infiltrators within the upper echelon of the military who are advocates of “all things Islam/Muslim” according to Brigette Gabriel, a survivor of Islam in Lebanon, now a U.S. citizen, and best selling writer of the book, “Because they Hate.” Of course, there are all the Muslims who are advising Obama on healthcare and stimulus and military operations.Wipe that egg off your face, RedMillion2 and Muslim lover.

  • davidmswyahoocom

    Franklin Graham, Sarah Palin, and others who proclaim themselves as [Evangelical Christians] are of more danger to this country – the United States – than Muslim extremists ever will be. It is the Evangelical Christians who are trying their best to tear down what the ‘founding fathers’ and those who suffered and endured so much death, hardship and pain during this countries battles to establish herself as free of the control of England and it’s religion for that matter. The Evangelicals want to lump all Christians – be they Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Amish, etc into their ultra structured and controlled religion – really nothing more than an oligarchy itself. Thus they with the mindset of their biblical interpretations, will rewrite the laws, rules, governing principles, etc as they see fit within their narrow framework. I don’t condone Any religious abuse esp of women and children for that matter. One other issue re the above comment of ‘men (now also women) at war proclaiming their faith in god. There is the adage of when in a firefight please God let me survive’ mentality, etc., but following my two tours in VN my greatest anger was with God for allowing such abuse of a people and country to suffer so greatly at our hands as did the Vietnamese; until a Priest (I am Catholic) strongly informed me that it was mankind who create wars, generally for their own greed and needs and not God. I truly wonder if the individual above has ever served in combat to appreciate the battlefield combat that comes and go’s just as quickly.

  • haveaheart

    “On another topic, when will there be a column about xenophobia we see in so many black churches? Posted by: FarnazMansouri | May 4, 2010 11:53 PM”Farnaz,Trying to stir up dissension again?

  • MarylandBear

    “Although I don’t subscribe to the idea of shooting abortionists, the shooters were not shooting those people for being doctors but for being murderers of a forming child.”You don’t subscribe to it, you just defend it. One more example of the threat Christofascism poses.

  • spidermean2

    red2million wrote “You have the right to believe the book, and the rest of us have the right not to.”I don’t think reminding people to use their brains wisely is taking away the right of people to think for themselves. This is another idiotic comment.

  • red2million

    ladylibery you can’t produce one shred of evidence to support any of your absurd claims, and I will pay you $500 if you can show where I ever said America is a secular nation. No, I’m not a muslim, I believe in evolution, not fantasies and fairy tales. I believe in science, not wishful thinking. However, I have no beef with muslims, jews, christians. See there’s a difference between you and I. I’m an American. As such I believe the Constitution and not the bible is the law of the land. The constitution says muslims can be muslims in America. If you don’t like America you should get out. there’s no room for you narrow minded, intolerant racists in modern society. obama is in charge miscreant, unlike his predecessor he was acutally elected by the people, another old, American tradition you seem to have an issue with. You don’t know what you’re talking about, and you lie and make up preposterous stories. In short, you’re a teabagger. I’ve got your muslim hanging, how’s that sound?

  • ladyliberty1

    And by the way, Christians who speak Arabic refer to God as “Allah”. Jesus himself never used the word “God”, which is Germanic. He likely used “Elohim”, which is the root of “Allah”.The God of the Bible is a God of mercy and justice. He sent His Son to die as the atonement for our sins. “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved,” is the Gospel message. He NEVER calls us to “KILL those who do not believe.” The Christian’s eternity will not consist of enjoying every lustful desire denied on earth, as it is promised in Islam. Eternity for the Christian is the absense of sin – eternal righteousness, holiness, no more wickedness. Eternity for the Muslim who kills is fleshly sexual indulgence. Does that sound the same to you?If you are a Presbyterian, you must be U.S.A., not P.C.A. Constrast the Bible with the Koran and you will see your mistake.

  • spidermean2

    MarylandBear,You used the word “doctors”. They were not killed for being doctors. They were killed for being murderers themselves. There are many ways to tell a story so make it accurate.

  • red2million

    spiderman disagreeing with you doesn’t make anyone an idiot, just an American who gets to decide and think for themselves. I’ll tell you like i tell the rest of these fanatics. If you can produce one shred of evidence to support the claims of the bible apart from the book bring it. Show me a miracle spidey. What happened to the miracles? According to the bible, the apostles all performed miracles in Jesus’s name. it also says those who believe and follow him will do the same. I’m reading the newspaper every day, and guess what? No miracles! And you can keep that “miracles happen every day b.s.” I’ve heard it a million times. yet, no miracles on 60 minutes or the nonstop news, no miracles in the paper. If there were miracles, it would be reported. Where are they spidey? and i’m not talking about that laying on of hands of people I don’t know. Here’s what we’ll do. You and I will go to a hospice where there are many terminally ill people waiting to die. bring in one of your jesus people and let them lay hands on every single one of them. thousands if you want. If one of those people is cured, I’ll immediately become the biggest advocate for Jesus alive. And you can save the doubting thomas spiel too. I’ve read the new testament fifty times, and alghough I haven’t opened a bible in over 20 years, I can still quote as much of it as you can. Sorry, not buying it. Show me a miracle, or other evidence apart from the book to validate it and i’ll agree with you. short of that, i think you’re living in a fantasy world, you believe a fairy tale, and if you want to call names, you’re the one whose idiotic.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    Thank you Mr. Graham.where was the media on the subject of obama requesting the name of JESUS be removed from a room at which he was about to speak in at Georgetown?”NEW YORK (Catholic League) – When President Barack Obama spoke at Georgetown University on April 14,[2009] the White House requested that all religious symbols and signage that might appear as a backdrop to where the president was to speak be covered up.”

  • ladyliberty1

    1)Franklin Graham, Sarah Palin, and others who proclaim themselves as [Evangelical Christians] are of more danger to this country – the United States – than Muslim extremists ever will be. 2)I truly wonder if the individual above has ever served in combat to appreciate the battlefield combat that comes and go’s just as quickly. 1) The most foolish statement ever made, or that will ever be made, since there is danger to those who think likewise. Fools – Jesus said, “Blind, leaders of the blind.”2) His son is currently serving his 4th tour of duty in Afghanistan.

  • spidermean2

    Red2million wrote ” I believe in evolution, not fantasies and fairy tales. I believe in science, not wishful thinking. “First of all , evolution is quack science. How is it possible that a mound of dirt and water can form into a brain without a more intelligent mind behind it. It’s as simple as 1+1 =2 and yet you don’t seem to get it. You are daydreaming and it’s sad coz the dream will turn into a nightmare when it’s all over.Evolution is the biggest fantasy in modern history. In North Korea, almost all people think the same as you are. You are one lucky guy that your’re not lumped with them but with Christians instead.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    “NEW YORK (Catholic League) – When President Barack Obama spoke at Georgetown University on April 14,[2009] the White House requested that all religious symbols and signage that might appear as a backdrop to where the president was to speak be covered up.”

  • mtstewart1

    the Jews were #1

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    Red2million wrote ” I believe in evolution, not fantasies and fairy tales. I believe in science, not wishful thinking. “You beleive in Alexander the Great and in Caesar but not in Christ. well how do you separate the lives of Caesar and A-Great without Christ?

  • red2million

    choosebestcandidate, they asked that ALL religious symbols be removed, not just those having to do with Jesus. That’s because we live in America. And in America we have this thing we call the Constitution, and in it there’s a requirement to separate church and state. any of this sound familiar to you?

  • ladyliberty1

    Evangelical christian kahunas have lost tolerance, temperance and humbleness in their quest of dominating the political sway.Some people, including Christians, think that being “nice” is the answer to unbelievers, much like Obama wants to make nice with our enemies.Jesus was much more direct when he said to the Pharisees, “You are of your father Satan, for if you were of My Father, you would have known Me, but you do not know me. Therefore, you are of your father, the devil for he was a liar from the beginning.”

  • red2million

    no choosethebest, I believe in America, in separation of church and state, and the Constitution. I believe in allowing all the right to pursue life, liberty and happiness in the manner in which they choose. I’m not a republican, so I don’t think I’m morally superior to the rest of the nation where I have some right to tell everyone else what to think and live. it’s hilarious how conservatives wrap themselves in the flag when they can’t grasp the most basic concepts of what it means, and just about every thing that comes out of their mouths is un-American.

  • djmolter

    As long as Christians believe theirs is the only way to eternal life, you’ll have people like Graham. But the real problem is that nearly all religions think theirs is the only one with God’s Secret Sauce for Salvation. And even within sects of the same religions, they’re arguing about the sauce ingredients: Methodist or Lutheran? Sunni or Shiite? If God is indeed the Great Iron Chef, I think he stopped tending the pot long ago.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    the Jews were #1Who is my brother? who is my Mother? whomever beleives in Christ is a Christ-ian, a Christ follower whether yu are from Judia or the WestSide of Chicago.

  • kkrimmer

    Franklin Graham is a racist and bigot… a hatemonger and a fake Christian. Many fake Christians have money as their G-d… they cite the old testament when it supports their arrogant lifestyle of avarice… they make me sick… no different to me than the extremists in other religions.Extremism is dangerous no matter who or where.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    in the overall scheme of things Jews and Christians are the same. Muslims is a faith created by man. “if you do not beleive me, beleive me for my works.”what miracles has the Muslim god-head done?

  • spidermean2

    red2million,Sad for you coz I experienced a miracle myself. Not only that, by God’s grace, Iam able to interpret most of the Biblical prophecies which are mostly written using figures of speech. Those prophecies match exactly to what’s happening now.In fact I know the more than 15 countries that America will soon face during WW3. How the liberal part of America be destroyed as well as it’s enemies.You guys are instruments in fulfilling doomsday. That worries me.

  • ladyliberty1

    DemonstenesWashDC, I had a long reply post to your above post, but it was confiscated. By whom? I don’t know, but on occasion some moderator or who knows whom confiscates my posts. 1) FYI – Muslims and Jews and Christians do not have the same God. Allah is not the God of the Bible. The message of Christianity is that there is one way to God, and that is through Jesus Christ. Muslims do not believe that Jesus is God. We do not have the same God. Period. Definitive. 2) Ramadan and Muslims have had prayer services at the Pentagon per an interview with Franklin Graham with Greta Van Susteran on Fox, this evening. The discrimination toward the Christian religion is blatant when the honorary chairman of the “National Day of Prayer” is disinvited.

  • Sutter

    I’m going to guess that most of the people who lump all of the billions of Muslims in the world together have not been to many Muslim countries, including the many countries where Islam is a minority religion and lives with other faiths. There are many extremists, and they get the headlines, but there are Muslims around the world. Christianity also has a very violent past, including the forcible subjugation and “conversion” (or just elimination) of non-Christians around the world. Maybe we need more people demonstrating that their religion is “best” by living the faith, and not just spouting “my wide is best!” Too many people spouting hatred with little or no knowledge of what they’re talking about.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    Franklin Graham is a racist and bigot…Posted by: kkrimmer | May 5, 2010 11:49 AM

  • red2million

    choosethebest send me a link from any reputable, non-religous news outlet that reports a miracle occuring within the last decade and I’ll sign up today. so to answer your question, the muslim “god-head” is even with your God. Zero is the answer for both. I’ve been alive for a long time and seen many things, and I’ve read and seen all kinds of news. No miracles reported yet. Still waiting.

  • ladyliberty1

    Correction to the above post:2) Muslims have celebrated Ramadan and held prayer services at the Pentagon per Franklin Graham on Greta Van Susteran’s Fox program this evening.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    “choosebestcandidate, they asked that ALL religious symbols be removed, not just those having to do with Jesus.”the wording was phrased to remove JESUS. THERE WERE NO OTHER RELIGIONS REPRESENTED EXCEPTED JEWISH.

  • spidermean2

    red2million,You are missing the point. Freedom to criticise a certain religion is the main reason why America is free. Try visit Saudi Arabia, or North Korea and see where it will get you.THe First Ammendment was pushed thru by Evangelical Christians for your info. You need a lot of learning to do.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    choosethebest send me a link from any reputable, non-religous news outlet that reports a miracle occuring within the last decade and —————–

  • ellislawoffice

    The statements made by Franklin Graham about Islam are racist,hateful and blasphemous. In comparison, Graham’s statements about Islam pale in comparison to the statement made by the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan in 1984 wherein he said in context: “…Now that nation called Israel never has had any peace in 40 years and she will never have any peace because there can be no peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your gutter religion under His holy and righteous name.” Minister Farrakhan has been castigated by the Jews for more than 25 years because he made a remark essentially criticizing the Zionists using Judaism to further their domination of and war against the Palestinians. Minister Farrakhan has stated repeatedly that he was not talking about the entire Jewish faith,only the Zionist in Israel. Nevertheless the statement has been repeatedly cited as an example of anti-semitism. The Graham family’s historical animosity toward racial and religious diversity is well documented. Franklin Graham has just brought it into modern focus. Franklin Graham should be condemned and ostracized by all Americans who believe in the freedom and respect of all religions !

  • Commentor5000

    Nothing but bigotried nonsense.

  • ladyliberty1

    If you don’t like America you should get out. there’s no room for you narrow minded, intolerant racists in modern society. Posted by RedMillion2Does the comment from the poster above show narrow minded, intolerance when he tells others who do not believe as he believes to leave the country? I find that most of these posters telling others (some with 350 years of family in this country, such as myself) have only recently come to this country, or may not live here at all. Others who are newcomers tend to use words like “our” forefathers for inclusion, but they always give themselves away because they do not believe recorded history. They are always twisting the history of our country, and that is what we hate. Lies. We can accept that most/many of Americans are not Christians. What we cannot accept are LIES about our history. A particular mark of Islam is to go into a country and rewrite the history, and destroy any reminders of that history. They are known for destroying great treasures of the world, most recently the Budda statues of Afghanistan, and the Alexandrian Library of the past.

  • spidermean2

    red2million,Sad for you coz I experienced a miracle myself. Not only that, by God’s grace, Iam able to interpret most of the Biblical prophecies which are mostly written using figures of speech. Those prophecies match exactly to what’s happening now.In fact I know the more than 15 countries that America will soon face during WW3. How the liberal part of America be destroyed as well as it’s enemies.You guys are instruments in fulfilling doomsday. That worries me.

  • hofbrauhausde

    It’s interesting that Islam teaches about a forgiving God, but its followers want to slaughter anyone who disagrees with them.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    “the works that i do bear witness of me that the Father sent me.” John 6:36

  • kevinrardin

    It is very difficult to consider Islam “an evil and wicked religion” when you have worked with Muslims, faced danger with Muslims, eaten with Muslims and joked and laughed with Muslims, as I have. Muslims are just people, for better and for worse. A few are evil,many are average, and a few live saintly lives.

  • awatts1

    Islam teaches their followers to kill the infidels. This is what they are doing by by blowing themselves up and taking innocent lives with them. What is so peaceful about that? Somehow, if you are ANYTHING but a white person that believes the Bible, believes illegal activity needs to be punished and that if you don’t work (if you are able bodied) then you don’t eat; then you are a hateful bigot and anything you believe and stand for should be stomped into the ground. The media hates anyone that stands for what the Bible stands for. It doesn’t matter what’s true anymore. The liberals in the media hate anything conservitive and will be against whatever they are for, no matter how right or true it is. They won’t even call for illegal aliens to be called illegal. Not because they care about them personally, just so they will vote for them. This is crazy!

  • Publius76

    You forgot to mention that Obama made a special trip to Billy Graham’s remote mountain home to get some of the evangelical ambiance on him. Political liberals take the prize for hypocrisy everytime.

  • isguy

    People like to make comparisons between religious faiths. However, with Christianity, there is no comparison. It is the only one that a person can be forgiven for their sins and saved from Hell through their saving faith in Jesus.The bottom line is this. A truly devout Christian is a peaceful loving person. But a “pseudo Christian” can be violent – it’s not common but it does occur.A truly devout Muslim who follows the Koran, is violent. The Koran actually says you can make converts via the sword. Muslim terrorists are not extreme but follow the Koran. Peaceful loving Muslims exist but they don’t truly follow the Koran – they probably don’t read it much because it does encourage violence.

  • spidermean2

    It is very difficult to consider Islam “an evil and wicked religion” when you have worked with Muslims, faced danger with Muslims, eaten with Muslims and joked and laughed with Muslims, as I have. Muslims are just people, for better and for worse. A few are evil,many are average, and a few live saintly lives. Posted by: kevinrardin——I know so many good Catholics including best friends. But it doesn’t mean that Catholicism is not one of the Devil’s religion. Even in some Evangelical Christianity, there are evil doctrines you can find.

  • castleb

    How unfortunate that someone who takes upon himself the role of preaching Christ does not appear to understand the Lord’s message. Mr. Graham should know that the God he claims to serve loves all of us, no matter what our religious or political affiliation, not because we deserve it or are what we should be, but as we are — saint or sinner or somewhere in between. Bigotry is simply wrong. None are so blind as those who refuse to see. Disinviting this man to the White House was not a sign of “secularization”, but in keeping with the precepts of the gospel and perfectly appropriate. Religion should not dehumanize us. Let’s hope the son of the inestimable Billy Graham has a change of heart.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    Christianity is also the only faith with Christ who SAID He IS the Truth. No one else made that claim. Christ is the only one whose appearance fulfilled the prophecy of the Old Testament. No scholar has been able to discredit the Bible – - and they have been tring for centuries.Christianity is the only religion with a track record of things prophesied and fulfilled. No other religion has ever been able to do that.being a christian is simply saying you are a CHRIST-ist. you are a follower of Him.

  • cadam72

    AWATTS1, Be clear that Islam does NOT teach followers to kill infidels. We cannot attribute the behavior of individuals to an entire group. Militant, misguided, Muslims use a perverse idea of THEIR religion for hatred, just as David Koresh was a twited CHRISTIAN and just as other CHRISTIANS in Africa are calling for stoning (and killing) gays. Ignorance is the issue, and just because there are horrible people wo practice Islam does not mean you should be a bigot and turn away from equally appalling acts by Christians. Have you heard of the very recent religious wars in Ireland in the name of christianity or Christian mitilias in friac or even the Hutaree Christian militia that was just arrested. The Bible certainly advocates violence in the following 1) In Leviticus 25:44-46, the Lord tells the Israelites it’s OK to own slaves, provided they are strangers or heathens.2) In Samuel 15:2-3, the Lord orders Saul to kill all the Amalekite men, women and infants.3) In Exodus 15:3, the Bible tells us the Lord is a man of war.4) In Numbers 31, the Lord tells Moses to kill all the Midianites, sparing only the virgins.5) In Deuteronomy 13:6-16, the Lord instructs Israel to kill anyone who worships a different god or who worships the Lord differently.

  • TedFrier

    We’ve all see this behavior before. But you have to begin to wonder: are religious right Christian fundamentalists like Graham really blind to the connection between their own actions and comments and the reactions they provoke? Or do they really think the hostility they engender from other people is entirely unprovoked, completely the product of some scurrilous religious bigotry of some kind?I’ve always assumed that when Christian fundamentalists call liberals who are offended by their antics “anti-Christian,” that this was just a pose, a cynical ploy for more membership or just another attempt to rile up the base for political reasons by enflaming cultural resentments.But now I’m beginning to think that this hypersensitivity might just be real, that folks like Graham really are so obtuse and demented that they’re genuinely shocked when people take push back against them when they call some other religion “evil.”What do you even do with a mind this crippled?

  • thamlett

    I participate in no religions which include a divine ‘boss’ as too often the boss ends up being someone like Franklin Graham, an odious toad and all too human. Bah!

  • jaynashvil

    The story got it exactly right when asking if Franklin Graham is trying to become the next Pat Robertson. He seems intent on promoting both a political agenda AND a message of intolerance. Graham clearly has learned from “the master” of rabble-rousing and intends to follow the same path. What a waste of a great family name.

  • acpress

    Every violent act from a Muslim land has a Western hand behind it. Osama bin laden is an example.

  • ladyliberty1

    The Graham family’s historical animosity toward racial and religious diversity is well documented. Franklin Graham has just brought it into modern focus. Franklin Graham should be condemned and ostracized by all Americans who believe in the freedom and respect of all religions ! The real war is Islam’s declared war on Christianity and Judaism, specifically. American Ivy League Universities are cranking out as many Muslim Law graduates as is possible and they are targeted to go into government positions. Yale Law graduate, Rashaid Hassan, was named by Obama as the special envoy to the Muslim world. Another Ivy Leaguer is Dalia Mogahed who believes Sharia is superior to our American Constitution, and she is responsible for spreading Islam to the prisons and inner cities of America. She is an Obama appointee. Muslims are determined to use every means available to convince those unaware of America’s history that this country was established by heathens, godless men, who used no moral code, to establish a secular nation. Once they convince everyone that America is secular, they will then introduce Sharia Law, bit by bit, and eventually their goal of Islamic control will prevail. Islam knows no national boundaries. Islam is all encompassing with the world as its goal. The Muslim dreams of a day when the whole world will worship Allah, bow down to only him, and live only according to Sharia.They have a good start in the Obama administration, and the recruitment of Muslims in the military. Remember General Casey bemoaning the effect of that recruitment being thwarted when he was interviewed about Ft. Hood? He cared more about Muslims in the military than he did about the loss of 13 lives.

  • stillaliberal

    Modern day evangelicals have formed a kind of cult. Many real evangelicals from history- like John Wesley- would not have interpreted religious scripture as being literally true in the face of historical and/or scientific factual contraditions. Many Christians from mainstream churches interpret something like the book of Revelations as a vision of one man, probably being reflections on the evils of the Roman Empire of his day and how it might eventually collapse. Never would it have been considered as literally true by pastors of an earlier age.Ironically enough, the rise of modern-day evangelical Christianity is directly traceable to a reaction against school integration in the South. People who were previously sent to a public school were instead sent to religious schools- the equivalent of Christian madrassas. Ironically, by riding ourselves of the evil of legal school segregation, we now have the evil of three generations raised without having any significant level of historical or scientific knowledge. Thus, they are receptive to the Glenn Becks of the world because they never learned any critical thinking skills gained through evaluation of history, literature and other elements of culture which were at odds with the kind of rote memorization in these Christian madrassas.

  • imaginemore

    Hi David Waters.Why don’t you contact Reverend Franklin Graham and interview him instead of using an interview which was done with another news organization.You might shed some of your hatred toward Reverand Graham and actually understand there is a real distinction between the muslim people and the islam clerics who preach hatred and intolerance to all infidals… David according to the islam cleric that infidal is me and you or anyone who is not a muslim. I am not certain why you would take exception to Reverend Graham’s respect for women and be upset with the manner in which muslim nations treat women as the manner in which they treat women is demeaning and despicable. I would trust you would not want your mother, your wife, your sister nor you daughter treated in such a demeaning manner. So before you form your negative bias, contact Reverend Graham and learn first hand of his message which is one of ‘God loves us and has a plan for our life.’Take care … and God speed.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    according to the Bible, the end will not come at a time of war but at a time of PEACE.the antiChrist will show up doing all kinds of fantastic things and the uninformed will say “this must be Him.” to the ones whose Bible is a part of their daily lives we will know that as long as we are flesh humans Christ has not yet arrived. WHY? He said the instant He arrives we are all changed into Celestial bodies, but you have to know this to know when you are being taken for a hike. Satan has powers too and he will impress many. but he wont reign for long.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    AWATTS1, Be clear that Islam does NOT teach followers to kill infidels. We cannot attribute the behavior of individuals to an entire group

  • rbdave

    My brother is a Pentecostal missionary. Last year I met a friend of his downtown. When she recognized my last name, she said, “Are you Chuck’s brother?” I said Yes and we continued to talk. A few minutes later she asked, “Are you a Christian?”"No Ma’am. I’m Lutheran.”I don’t want to be associated with people like Franklin Graham.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    no ladyliberty, the tyrannical dictators were in the WH for eight years before Obamamuch they havent told you. MSM HAS DONE A DIS-SERVICE TO MANY OF YOU, imo

  • cadam72

    As a follow up before there is a single more post about the violence of the Koran and the love within the Bible, please look at this passage. Radicalism is fueld by fear, ignorance and poverty no matter what religious background people are from. Some in every religion see the best while others fuel the fire of violence in the name of religion. How is this Biblical verse any less violent than what you have chosen to highlight in the Koran? Have you even read the Koran?Deuteronomy 13:6-16 (New International Version) 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

  • slenon

    If Mr. Graham’s ministries need to provide food and shelter to coerce people to sit through the “Christian” part of the charity, it must be time to check the content of the message and the sincerity of the messenger. There is no charity, no kindness, and no love to be found in any church that requires hungry people to sit through indoctrination in order to receive the food that is the only reason they showed up at all.Those “numbers of people brought to Jesus” are just as inflated today as they were during the Inquisition.

  • ChooseBestCandidate

    denominations, imo are not very significant. what’s in a name as long as you beleive in Christ and His teachings and live the way He has instructed us to live? According to Christ, we are to be obedient to God. somehow, i think that’s enough. if you are a CHRIST-ist is all that really matters, imo.

  • GaryD3

    A little math might be in order for a little reality therapy. According to Wikipedia, there are 1.57 billion followers of Islam in the world. Let’s say for the sake of argument that one percent of them are potential suicide terrorists. No, let’s change that–let’s say that ONE PERCENT OF ONE PERCENT are potential suicide terrorists. That is about 150,000. If a couple dozen could raise the havoc they did on September 11, 150,000 would end civilization as we know it.GUESS WHAT, FOLKS! IT HASN’T HAPPENED AND IT WON’T. The majority of Muslims live peaceful lives and try to follow their religious teachings (many of which are the same that Christians and Jews follow). Painting them with same brush is as ignorant as saying all Christians think like the man who walked into a church and murdered an abortion doctor, or those fools praying for Obama’s death, or any one of dozens of atrocities committed by “Christians”. If you dig deeply into all scriptures, you will probably find some pretty embarrassing statements (check out Deuteronomy and Leviticus if you don’t believe me). Maybe Christianity has had a 600 year head start on getting past its awkward stage. On the other hand, reading some of the posts here, I may have just said something pretty stupid.There is a common denominator here–fundamentalism. In the end it will be fundamentalism–of all flavors–that brings down the house of civilization. If you’re prone to paint people with the same brush, start there.

  • demostheneswashdc

    If the positions were reversed and someone in Government had invited a Muslim cleric who said that Christianity represented an evil faith, based on the Crusades and the ongoing killings in the name of Christianity in India and other countries, would there be any question as to the need to disinvite the Muslim?With regard to the evangelicals/fundamentalists notion that they are entitled to special treatment under our Nation’s laws even though there is no such special status granted in the Constitution, we have multiple sources to refute their inflated ego. Article VI of the Constitution explicitly provides that treaties made within the constitutional process are the “supreme law of the land.” In 1797, our government, which still included many of the Founding Fathers, signed and ratified the Barbary Treaty with the Muslim government at Tripoli. Article XII of that treaty provided: “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”Did President John Adams agree to this treaty even though it was a lie? It is disappointing that this far into our Nation’s history we have regressed so far that some in our government and close to those in government have so very little respect for the truth of our past and the wisdom of those who founded this country.

  • drihl

    If I were say that all evangelical Christians are ignorant, narrow-minded, self serving bigots, I’m sure that the outcry from that community would be huge. Although such a statement might apply to some, it certainly doesn’t apply to all evangelical Christians. Why then is it alright with some of you if someone like Franklin Graham makes a similar broad statement about another religion? Is it more acceptable to you because he is an evangelical, or is it just OK to bash the Muslim faith because they are this decade’s boogie man? 20 years ago no one cared one iota about Muslims, their beliefs, how they treated their women, or what they thought about the US. We could bash the communists then, but back then oil was cheap, no one had needed to go to the Middle East to secure the flow of oil, and I think we might have even been a little more open minded as a nation.Mr. Graham is certainly within his rights to spew hatred and bigotry if he likes. It is a free county as we will all agree. But what many of you seem to forget is that with freedom you have responsibility. With responsibility you have consequences. We can act and speak as we see fit, but we have to accept the consequences good or bad. The consequences for his statement was that he was no longer welcome at an event that, in part, promoted inclusiveness not hate. It was not a slap at all Evangelicals; it was a slap at him. I doubt that all evangelicals accept him as their sole representative and mouthpiece.For those evangelicals who do see him as their representative, why don’t you just organize your own prayer service? In that way, you can call people names and hate all you want. Just don’t be surprised, though, if you are labeled as ignorant, narrow-minded, self serving, and bigoted. Don’t whine; it’s simply a consequence of your actions.

  • Sonny53

    It is people like you Christopher3 who are the problem. No religion, in and of itself, is evil. In point of fact, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are more similar than not. Christianity and Islam hold many of the same principles of Judaism. Furthrmore, rather than always saying Judeo-Christian, the term Judeo – Christian – Islamic is more accurate. The problem is not Judaism or Christianity or Islam. The problem is that people remain people no matter what religion they are. Evil and wrong-doing are not simply with one religion, they are very much evident in people of all races and faiths. I would go as far as saying that anyone who advocates hatred in any form, is not a true Jew, or Christian or Muslim.

  • ladyliberty1

    I have to say “thank you, Washington Post” for allowing posting with very little censoring. Although the faith section misrepresents true Christianity, and commenters viciously attack those Christians, at least Christians are allowed to post. Fox censors speech if it is critical of Islam. So, thank you, again, Washington Post for not censoring our first amendment rights to speak freely. Everyone loses when speech is censored.

  • ladyliberty1

    As for your second point, the fact that there have been and will continue to be Muslim observances at the Pentagon is yet another “true, but irrelevant” factoid. Your argument would be valid ONLY if you were able to cite first-hand, third-hand, or even urban-legendesque reports that the Pentagon had provided a forum for a Muslim cleric known to have said even once that another faith was “evil” or something similarly divisive and insulting. posted by DemostenesWashDCInteresting that the Muslim celebration of Ramadan at the Pentagon is “irrelevant” to you, but a Christian prayer by Franklin Graham is of the utmost “relevance” to the above poster. Not necessary for a soft spoken, scholarly, cleric to state what is in the “Holy Qur`an” – Those who study it and memorize it have its commands in their hearts. The commands to “kill the infidels” “take not as friends Christians or Jews” – “slay them, wherever you find them hiding behind rocks” are the ones that the terrorists take to heart. You do know that Major Hasan was only exercising his faith at Ft. Hood? No, no, no, not necessary for scholarly clerics to come into the Pentagon and say anything like “Christianity is a violent religion. They treat their women horribly. Christianity is a vile religion.” This is entirely unnecessary. Of course, Christians probably wouldn’t say anything to dispute the obvious lie. The claim is so preposterous that it wouldn’t need to be defended.But, not so, with Islam. History is replete with carnages of the advancement of Islam at the edge of the sword. Beheadings are mercy killings. Did you not know? The religion itself is an offense against any other religion, but, specifically, Christians and Jews are singled out to be killed. It’s been happening for 14 centuries. Did you not know? Have you not heard? A little research would clue you in.Ah, but surely you know of the two attempts on our own soil within the past 5 months? The Christmas day bomber arriving by flight from Nigeria to Detroit? The bomb failed to take down the plane, thus, sparing all the passengers and others who may have been on the ground.And, then, there was the Times Square bomber just this past weekend. You heard? The bomb failed to go off. A Koran was left behind in Faisal Shazhad’s apartment. He must have read those passages given by Allah. He was trying to be a faithful and obedient servant to Allah. That’s all.So, no need for scholarly, peaceable clerics holding prayer services at the Pentagon to say anything offensive. The true believers are the ones who take action, and follow the commands of Allah, given in the “Holy Qur`an.”

  • demostheneswashdc

    Well, how very convenient it must be for LadyLiberty to claim that someone “confiscated” her post, a statement that reminds one of the proverbial “my dog ate my homework.” In light of the vitriolic comments posted here, I find it difficult to imagine that the Post or anyone else decided to “censor” anything that you have to say, but the notion that you actually responded substantively and on point is one that I find hard to believe in light of the rambling you have engaged in thus far.Once again, however, LadyLiberty insists upon obfuscating rather than articulating any kind of standard for how government should select religious participants for events like the National Day of Prayer.With regard to your latest bullet point number one. Referring to the Abrahamic religions is a common method of referring to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. This does not in any way equate the three faiths and your attempt to contort that term is intellectual dishonesty at best (Google the term if you have not come upon it in your scholarly research).As for your second point, the fact that there have been and will continue to be Muslim observances at the Pentagon is yet another “true, but irrelevant” factoid. Your argument would be valid ONLY if you were able to cite first-hand, third-hand, or even urban-legendesque reports that the Pentagon had provided a forum for a Muslim cleric known to have said even once that another faith was “evil” or something similarly divisive and insulting. So, ONCE AGAIN, what are the criteria for selecting religious speakers at governmental events? Perhaps your inability to articulate any such standard should stand as evidence of the appropriateness of keeping government and religion separate.

  • spidermean2

    For the rest of the Obama administration’s tenure, I think it would serve the Evangelical Christian church well if the NAE make a pact among themselves not to attend any religious services sponsored by the Obama administration.Let the Muslims have their services on all Obama religious occations. They can take all of it. No problem.

  • spidermean2

    Evangelical Christian churches should have no relationship with this administration at all. It’s becoming a fool’s game.

  • Alex511

    fr ladyliberty1:>…And, when I say that Franklin Graham is truthful, and loving, and kind, and honest, and a man of integrity, with no hatred in his heart, but only compassion, I am speaking the truth…You might “speaking the truth” from what YOU see as “truth”, but when frankie spouts off anything that he obviously does NOT know reality about, it’s not THE truth.

  • Believer40

    I don’t know about you but it seems common sense to not invite a person from a religion that has tried to murder you and thinks it is glory, to come and pray for you. If a Baptist or any other religion that uses the Bible as their guide, murders, it is a serious wrong. Many Muslims really don’t know the Koran, just like many believers really don’t know the Bible. People are busy working and trying to make a good life for their family. It is not these people that we are against. We are not against people period. We are against ANY RELIGION that –at the core– is violent against any. The simple definition of EVIL: trying to hurt someone. If a Christian (I’m using this term loosely.) hurts someone it is a sin. Jesus never killed anyone; He healed people. Muslims follow Mohammad….now what did he do? huh. I think it is common sense to stick with the Bible. Who out there reading this is against people doing right? not stealing? not cheating? not commiting adultery? not commiting murders? If we Americans would follow the Bible we wouldn’t be in such a mess now. We would love God and our neighbors as ourselves. What is so bad about that non-believers? Don’t you want to be loved? Don’t you want people to be good to you? That is what Christianity teaches.

  • bd64kcmo

    Someone named “stillaliberal” used the term, “real evangelicals”. Well, what does “evangelist” mean? It means, “Bearer of the Good News”. And what is that news? It is, that if one believes in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, for the sins of all “…who believe in Him, that they will not perish, but be brought to life everlasting…” (John 3:16). Now, how did the “bad news” get into this conflagration of opinions about whose religious beliefs are the only beliefs that should be allowed, or declared the one official one, or otherwise the only one acknowledged by the government? When Graham talks about “Christianity”, does he exclude any one Protestant, Catholic, Greek Orthodox, or Russian Orthodox variant? I do believe some had, and I see a lot of fire leveled at some some, especially Catholics, who are often accused of “worshiping statues” and other aberrant behaviors, by some so-called “evangelicals”. Starting with Fred Phelps, the Topekan obsessed with gays. Shall we call him an “evangelical”? If Christians are to “fishers of men”, will it be like Fred Phelps, or Frank’s dad, Billy Graham? That is, how can ANYONE expect to catch anything with poison? Yeah I pray for Muslims, and others too, churched or un-churched. That is what Christians are supposed to do, and to NOT play God.

  • demostheneswashdc

    POSTED BY: LADYLIBERTY1Interesting that the Muslim celebration of Ramadan at the Pentagon is “irrelevant” to you, but a Christian prayer by Franklin Graham is of the utmost “relevance” to the above poster.———Well, it took a long time, but LadyLiberty has almost made a point, although she, of course, remains unable to answer a very simple question – namely, what would be the criteria that the government should use in inviting religious speakers to public events. Instead, the point she attempts to make is to dismiss all things Muslim as evil. Were any of the participants at the Ramadan event ever accused of holding violent and/or anti-American views? If they had been, I am certain there would have been a great uproar from the dim-witted LadyLiberty and others of similar bigots who are very un-Christ-like in their purported Christianity.So, the logical conclusion to her random rants is that only those who she deems to be of the correct Christian denomination should be allowed to speak. Too bad we don’t have an official religion or at least some kind of theocratic body to make such decisions for us, but that would be like Iran and not the United States as formed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution which explicitly gave us the freedom of and from religion.If the history of bloodshed and other iniquities is to be the standard by which religions are deemed “worthy,” then Christianity would no fare any better than Islam. The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the church’s support for the fascist takeover of Spain, the church’s support for the abominable practice of human slavery in our own country, the ongoing violence attributable to Christians in places such as India, etc. Even within the Bible itself, certain sects can take individual passages and use them to justify terrible acts. Doesn’t the Old Testament call for the death penalty for bestiality, kidnapping, homosexuality, etc.? (N.B. for LadyLiberty’s benefit, I recommend Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years by Diarmaid MacCulloch to improve what is obviously a very poor education).The point of the National Day of Prayer (which the law specifically makes non-denominational regardless of whatever special status the rabid fundamentalists and others claim) and to bring together Americans of all faiths. Including a divisive and anti-Islam figure such as Mr. Graham goes directly against that concept.

  • Churchlady1

    The current administration had nothing to do with rescinding the invitation. Public interest groups did. Mr. Graham cannot speak for all Americans or even all Christians. He represents a sect, not a faith tradition, and he is not a Christian but a Dominionist. We cannot have our government EVER expressing support for any religion, but especially not for one so marginal. It’s an insult to the openness of America to have someone like that pretend to be inclusive.

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