What Glenn Beck meant about social justice

By Stu Burguiereexecutive producer, The Glenn Beck Program> Like everyone else in America, Glenn Beck thinks “social justice” —if its … Continued

By Stu Burguiere
executive producer, The Glenn Beck Program>

Like everyone else in America, Glenn Beck thinks “social justice” —if its defined as charitable outreach to the poor—-is a good idea. He supports it, he believes in it, he does it.

So, what’s the problem? I mean, “social justice” seems like such an innocuous phrase, right? It paints a picture of fairness. I guess that’s why Father Charles Coughlin used it when naming his National Union for Social Justice and his publication Social Justice Weekly. Coughlin was an anti-Semitic religious broadcaster in the 1930s, and he used the banner of social justice to attack capitalism, warn of Jewish plots against “Christian civilization”, and to promote his adoration for Italian Fascist Benito Mussolini.

This is part of the information Glenn revealed in a special TV show about American extremism of the 20th century. In the context of promoting that special, he began talking about how the far left was once again using this terminology to politicize churches. The specific example he named was Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

He told his listeners that if they were in a church that preaches Jeremiah Wright-style social justice, they should leave–or at least get educated on what exactly that means. It took him all of eight seconds to clarify the type of church he was speaking of, but that was long enough for most in the media to end the transcript.

Suddenly, Glenn was accused of attacking the central tenets of the bible, because he supposedly believed that any church that wants to help the poor should be immediately evacuated. This absurd narrative is mainly the product of Rev. Jim Wallis.

To restate the obvious, some simply use the term “social justice” as a substitute for “outreach to the poor.” This is not the kind of “social justice” Glenn was talking about. The fact that this term has been utilized for purposes other than good Christian charity is well documented. One scholar explained it quite clearly: “it is true that term [has] been used by the right and the left for all kinds of ideological purposes that aren’t necessarily the purposes of Christ.” That scholar was Jim Wallis.

But for Wallis to continue getting attention, he must act as if he believes Glenn is against churches helping the poor. Any honest observer would realize that isn’t the case. Is anyone on earth against charitable outreach to the poor?

Certainly not Glenn.

In his book Arguing With Idiots, Glenn describes helping those less fortunate as an “obligation.” He wrote that capitalism “will inevitably fail if individuals stop caring about the welfare of others.” He just believes the bulk of the help should come from people like you and me, not government bureaucracy. When is the last time you felt charitable on April 15?

Of course, these attacks are just opportunistic politics. Jim Wallis – and his politically motivated faux anger – are now doing interviews about Glenn at the pace of a fame seeking Tiger Woods mistress. The left is taking a break from calling Glenn too religious, to call him not religious enough.

But Wallis’ repeated attempts at becoming the victim are laughable. He wrote to Glenn: “I have no reason to attack you.” Some would find that sentence questionable, considering he’s a spiritual adviser to President Obama. The New York Times reported Wallis was one of five pastors meeting with the Obamas for private prayer sessions and “discussions on the role of religion in politics.” The Times noted “In contrast to the other four, his contact with the president has been focused more on policy than prayer.” Time magazine notes “he has the ear of the man in the Oval Office.” (During their reporting of Wallis’ attacks on Glenn, both Time and the New York Times mysteriously forgot their own reporting on this topic.) A report by Religious News Service says Wallis is one of a small group helping to “shape decisions about the Iraq war, health care reform and the economy.”

It’s up to Americans to decide whether this–or any–level of presidential access is appropriate for someone like Wallis. Just 13 days after 9-11 he was already blaming the attacks on the “sins” of U.S. foreign policy including “global domination” and “militarism.” He hoped 9-11 would become a “teachable moment” in which we could all learn our role in creating “desperation” among the terrorists. “Desperate people do desperate things,” he explained. He later described our foreign policy as “dangerously messianic” “arrogant” and “bordering on the idolatrous and blasphemous.”

Wallis is just as revealing when speaking of his current economic views: “I’m not a liberal, I’m a radical.” Asked if he was calling for the redistribution of wealth across society, he responded: “Absolutely. Without any hesitation. That’s what the gospel is all about.” This is a man that believes an affluent church is no less than “an affront to the gospel” and he’s talking about Glenn being divisive?

But, on the bright side, he has illuminated some common ground between Glenn and the President. While Wallis describes Rev. Wright as “mainstream”, both the President and Glenn believe that leaving churches like Rev. Wright’s is a good idea. The difference is that Glenn just advised it. The president actually did it.

Stu Burguiere is executive producer of The Glenn Beck Program.

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  • bot1

    Glenn Beck knows more about charity than Jim Wallis. True Christian charity requires volition on the part of the giver and gratitude on the part of the receiver. Glenn’s church understood this when the LDS welfare program was established.When the government extracts taxes from us unwillingly to provide largesse to their voting base, that is not charity. It is extortion. Just look at Barack Obama and Joe Biden’s gifts to charity 0.0013 percent of their income in the years prior to their election. Compare that with Glenn Beck’s gifts to charity (about 13 percent). Glenn contributes more than 10,000 times to charity of his OWN VOLITION than his detractors. It is always easier for politicians to reach into someone else’s pocket to display their “social justice”. That’s the problem with using “other people’s money” (OPM). It shows “progressives'” misplaced moral priorities

  • bot1

    Jesus commanded compassion toward the poor and suffering. But he also told his disciples, “ye have the poor always with you” (Matthew 26:11), and in the parable of the talents (Matthew 25:24-30) he condemned the failure to productively use one’s God-given talents—whether many or few, exceptional or ordinary—by having a lord take money from the one who had shown the least initiative and give it to him who had developed his talents the most, thereby increasing economic inequality.The parable of the talents supports Glenn Beck’s view of true Christian charity, and would dis-avow Jim Wallis’ view of “charity”. It is no wonder than Glenn urges Christians to shun churches such as Jeremiah Wright’s and Jim Wallis’ that foster income re-distribution and Marxism.

  • blarsen1

    I’ve watched Glenn Beck. HE’S CRAZY!! He spouts off about events in history where he just makes up his own facts. The other night he called Herbert Hoover a progressive democrat. He’s a moron. He only caters to crazy, suggestible white people who are looking for simple solutions to complex problems.

  • Alderene

    He has the ear of the President and is helping shape policy? Where are all the cries of “Separation of Church and State”?

  • bmourges

    “I’ve watched Glenn Beck. HE’S CRAZY!! He spouts off about events in history where he just makes up his own facts. The other night he called Herbert Hoover a progressive democrat. He’s a moron. He only caters to crazy, suggestible white people who are looking for simple solutions to complex problems.””You, sir, are a horse’s petootie. Glenn Beck is a raging idiot. Period. Full stop. End of sentence.”Whether you like him or hate him, why resort to name calling and demonization rather than actually commenting on the issue being debated? While Glenn is guilty of oversimplifying some issues and misconstruing the truth of others, it is not meaningful or helpful for the other side to merely attack him personally, rather than combat him with substantive fact.And, on a side note, Herbert Hoover was a self-espoused progressive, pro-regulation President; however, he was a Republican.

  • astevens-OH

    The only thing Glenn has done is rightly call out those that are deftly weaving progressive politics into religion.Wallis is truly a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He, and others in his flock, are radical liberal ideologues (aka “agents of change”) who are feverishly working to promote the gospel of social justice at the expense of the American ideal of “…life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” This whole business smacks of anti-Americanism and has nothing to do with the gospel as taught by Jesus but everything to do with socialist/progressive redistribution of individual prosperity and class warfare. The bottom line: The type of “social justice” Beck is talking about has nothing to do with helping the poor but helping individuals like Wallis, et al. distributing OPM to cronies of the progressive elite.

  • Lamentations

    Umm, that should be “central tenets of the Bible,” not “tenants.” I don’t think the Bible rents out any space.

  • [email protected]

    Uh, I think I’ll cut y’all some slack here on this one.I PASS!

  • kiler616

    my father is a very smart man,,,,gifted in math and is a licensed masters electrician…he has a fault,he is a racist,and hates any a form of liberalism in society…..Glenn Beck comes nowhere near my father in intelligence…but knows the propaganda neccessary to motivate people like my father…that is Glenn Beck’s only talent…motivating hate tyhrough fear of change…not exactly an admirable trait.

  • StewartIII

    Michelle Malkin: When “social justice” is a code phrase

  • info58

    Taking from one group forcibly and giving to another = stealing/socialism. Even if it alleviates a condition, it may or may not be kosher with G_d. The Bible tells us G_D gives freely to us by His Grace. G_D wants us to be more like Him. Ergo, only a gift given by someone freely choosing to do so is worthy of being called Godly. “Gifts” imparted to one ethnic group levied (not given) by another is not consistent with God’s character.The article author hit the nail on the head stating that the left has reinvented its version of biblical authority to not resemble the Bible at all, and call themselves Holy. That is what is so un-holy about the left: that they are so out of lockstep with biblical principles that they have the audacity to invent their own religion, call it statism, and try to destroy a real religion shaped by G_d himself. This “self-reliance” and “ends-justify-the-means” mentality shared by all really is an anathema to G_d. God wants to break our self reliance, not encourage “salvation” by us “answering” our own prayers – through “good works” humanism or atheism.The Episcopal church leadership is especially fraught with this sort of distortion lately.

  • info58

    >>my father is a very smart man,,,,gifted in math and is a licensed masters electrician…he has a fault,he is a racist,and hates any a form of liberalism in society…..How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

  • Godfather_of_Goals

    Call me crazy, but I’ll take the word of John XXIII over Glenn I.

  • alecsandertheg8

    Beck is Everyman! His powers of scrutiny are unparalleled by the “liberal intelligensia” which chooses to emote then think.

  • nateums

    I was charitable once. Then I ninja kicked a laser armed fight monkey through a concrete wall with my bionic foot for taking handouts. Point of interest, maybe some people haven’t noticed that insulting the guy makes him more popular. Venomous Progressives are his biggest promoters whether they realize it or not. Gotta go, my bun cake is burning… down my house.

  • ebproducer

    beck is a fraud. unfortunately, i don’t have any hope of those followers that hang on his every fraudulent word to realize it anytime soon. and he won’t stop – it’s all about the money. i picture him leaving his house each day, stopping, checks his pockets, his bag – what’s missing? oh, right, integrity. that pesky thing? who needs it?

  • GOODCHEER

    Isn’t it interesting that Liberals are wealthier than Conservatives, but Liberals are more stingy.Conservatives give more money and more of their time to charity than Liberals by a wide margin.

  • skeegan

    I regularly watch Glen Beck for a good laugh. I watch him to remind myself what functional paranoia looks like. This is a man who is in love with the sound of his own voice. He markets fear, suspicion, and outrage to a national audience. Beck is incredibly facile at taking a kernel of truth and distorting it to such an extent that it becomes unrecognizable. The deductive fallacy is something that Beck has perfected and practices many times per day. After all, he has 3+ hours of daily on-air time to kill. He has elevated idiocy to an art form.It makes me nauseous that people like Beck position themselves as the defenders of truth, whose sole motivation is to “educate” and “present the facts.” That’s as transparent as it is laughable.

  • jenn3

    Glad to see that others are pointing out Wallis’ hypocrisy. The man is a fraud. Wallis also advocates for the displacement of poor US citizens from their jobs, reducing them to homelessness and privation, by cheap, illegal alien foreign labor, that also requires the US taxpayer to subsidize, it’s just another form of corporate welfare.I’ve contacted Wallis on numerous occasions, spoken with his staff. Not one of them dares to answer me just as to where in the Gospels, Christ advocates the wealthy or anyone to displace their poor neighbor, and to then feign compassion for poor foreigners, so as to more easily profit from them. Nor are they willing to explain why Wallis hasn’t given away his immense wealth, his home and comforts. All sarcasm aside, it’s a valid question to demand Wallis answer, because if redistribution of wealth is something Wallis truly believes in, why isn’t he stepping up and walking the walk? Why isn’t he castigating Obama for his never ending demand of bailouts for his banking friends, especially his foreign banking friends? Why isn’t he demanding that Obama take a stand against the poverty and corruption in India, China and Africa? Instead, Wallis demands that the poor in the US be made poorer, to line the pockets of Obama’s already very wealthy contributers and corrupt foreign governments he allies him self with.Christ truly would identify Wallis as a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a false prophet, another one of those money changers in the temple who needs to be cast out.

  • GOODCHEER

    Isn’t it interesting that Liberals are wealthier than Conservatives, but Liberals are more stingy.Conservatives give more money and more of their time to charity than Liberals by a wide margin.

  • joebanks

    Newt Gingrich, Charles Krauthammer, Pat Caddell and Glen Beck. Why tune in Fox News at all…we can read it here in the Post.

  • bpittman2

    Beck continues to do what the left used to be soooo proud of: speaking “Truth to Power” as they say. The truth hurts and thats why so many libs and “progressives” continue to try and silence him. Wallis is just another of B.O.’s minions, doing his bidding and distorting Christianity at the same time.

  • The-Capitalist

    Wallis says that “redistributing wealth is what the gospel is all about”, and Obama has also cited a moral/religious duty to acquiesce to his socialist plans. Nothing could be a more insidious distortion of what Christianity teaches, and the message given to us in the Bible and by Jesus Himself. We are taught to be giving, to help the poor, to love our neighbor as ourself. We are told to “give willingly out of a cheerful heart.” This corresponds directly to our charitable donations, which liberals consistently attack the tax deductibility of. It is NOT charitable or benevolent to steal from one person to give to another. The liberal says “look at that poor person’s plight! Stop being so selfish and give me some of your money so that I can pass some of it along to him, after covering my fee and administrative costs, of course.” The Bible says that if you don’t work you don’t eat. Plain and simple. It’s not “giving” to feed those who won’t feed themselves. The Bible says that “you shall not become surety for your neighbor”…i.e., refrain from co-signing for him (like on a loan). In other words, you can help and assist someone, but do not be so foolish as to tie up your own fate with this person. Do not become a guarantee for someone else’s debts. Obama socialism espouses that “we’re all in this together”. Bailouts, taxing one group to support another… those who choose to support themselves are backed in to a corner to guarantee the welfare of those who do not work to support themselves. Jesus also told the story of the women waiting for the bridegroom, who were supposed to have maintained their lamps full of oil. Jesus said that if some women failed to handle their responsibility of having oil in their lamps, that they should not expect the other women to bail them out and give them of their oil. Those women that were unprepared were denied the opportunity to particpate in the ceremony. “Give a man a fish, feed him for a day… teach a man how to fish, feed him for a lifetime.” The Democrats are way too interested in handing out fish by taking from those who fish for themselves. And it hurts both those who can fish for themselves, as well as those who don’t/can’t, since the only way they can continue to receive their ration of fish is if they refrain from learning how to do so for themselves, keeping them in perpetual subservience. Wallis, Obama, others like them. They are NOT benevolent, kind, giving, charitable, or anything of the sort. They’re power-hungry, and they’ll say whatever they have to in order to acquire it. I don’t know what “gospel” Wallis is referring to with its redistributive teachings, but it’s not our gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • fresno500

    Who the hell is still talking about Jeremiah Wright?

  • dougd1

    Why in the world does the Washington Post see fit to publish this kind of a biased defense of Glenn Beck?As a psychologist interested in political propaganda, I’ve watched Beck’s show many times. He is extremely dishonest, paranoid, grandiose, and hateful. He pushes fear as well as hate, and is without a doubt extremely dangerous to the intellectual discourse of our country. Keep in mind that 3-6 million people watch his show each day, a figure that is truly scary.

  • m11davis

    Next you be telling us the value of comparing the apple the the orange…peace-out

  • wardfamily1234

    Ironically, Glenn’s getting all this grief about not being charitable when he gives over 10% of his income to charity and is always organizing help for one charity or another. Then we have Obama stepping up his giving to 6% now that he’s president–it was less before, and we have Joe Biden who gave just 1 1/2% of his income to charity. Overall, conservatives give way more of money and time to both religious and secular charities. I guess some people don’t have to be forced to do the right thing.

  • DavidH3

    There was a forum on WaPo yesterday on faith. There seems to be a wealth of evidence that the early Christians were strongly socialist if not communist, and there are many quotes in the Bible about helping others, and doing even more than one is asked to do, or “forced” to do. I think one who is knowledgeable in the Bible can find just about anything in it and make an argument for that. For me, I look at who takes what away from the Bible, and what they do with it. Beck takes hatred and intolerance away from the Bible, and that is exactly how his followers undertand him. I reject that as wrong and immoral. About the government that conservatives are so afraid of, this is your government, too. It is not a foreign government of occupation, it was elected by you and your fellow citizens. If you don’t want to abide by the rules, this is not a totalitarian system; you may leave (only if you wish to, I am not suggesting you do). For myself, I want a strong central government. I know there will be waste, but I pay all of my taxes every year even if a Republican is president. And I believe in a certain amount of redistribution of wealth. Of all the modern states, we do far and away the least amount of wealth redistribution, and the gap between our wealthiest and our poorest is by far the greatest. This isn’t just about laziness, people. There’s nobody who works 1000 times harder than I do (70-80 hours per week) and therefore “deserves” to be paid 1000 times what I get paid. It’s not going to hurt the economy to bring that ratio to something more reasonable, like maybe 50 times.

  • Moon714

    @DAVIDH3 “There was a forum on WaPo yesterday on faith. There seems to be a wealth of evidence that the early Christians were strongly socialist if not communist…”Wow. That’s a complete distortion of facts and reality. Sharing and community among early Christians was voluntary and a matter of spiritual choice and conviction, not government mandate and dictate for all – including nonbelievers. That’s not communism – it’s indicative of a commune. Look up the definitions of both and become educated and informed. As far as socialism goes, there’s no example of anything the early Christians did that is related to or demonstrates socialism in any sense of the word.

  • Moon714

    @GOODCHEER Very true, studies have shown that charitable contributions and the number of contributors are far greater with those who identify as conservative vs liberal or progressive. Of course, many liberals and progressives make a public spectacle of their charity or aid.

  • sabata2

    @DavidH3You can put ALL your effort into making a beautiful sculpture, put in 100 hours a week trying to make it perfect. And then someone else comes by and makes a complete and flawless recreation of David in half the time.And you’re going to ACTUALLY stand up and say “HEY! I WORKED HARDER! I DESERVE WHAT HE JUST GOT!”?Regardless of if you WANT there to be, there ARE ability differences. If you want some of that “rich pie” then go WORK UNDER A RICH GUY.Effort is only admirable, it gets you nowhere in the real world.

  • Josephddn

    There is a big difference between theft and charity. Charity comes from the heart of people not by force.Glenn only points out the difference between the two.

  • DYOUNG227

    @JAMESCHIRICO, before you go patting BO on the back for his generosity, reminder that $1million of the $1.7million that he donated was from the Nobel Prize. His donations before the election show very meager numbers, before he was subject to scrutiny. BO .0013 percent

  • PINEAPPLECAKE

    I listen to Glenn so I do not understand why people like DougD1 claim he is “dishonest and spreads hate”. Would any of you please tell me something he has stated that was not true or that was hateful? He is one of the few in the media that looks up facts, has several independent research teams and asks the administration to call him if what he is saying is untrue. Everything he has said about Andy Stern, the health care bill, the administration, etc. can and has been proven to be true.

  • ajguru

    @jameschiricoWell of course Obama definitely had to give away $1M which he received from the Nobel Prize committee. He should’ve actually returned it back to the Nobel committee but I commend him to giving the money to charity since he knows deep inside it’s an embarrassment.

  • unculturedswine

    @JAMESCHIRICO Dude, get your facts straight. Obama made $5.5M and paid $1.7M to TAXES, not to charities. He paid $330K (thousand) to charity. NOW, if you take his taxes from earnings that leaves $3.8M, and his charitable donations is just below 10%, which is respectable enough. I pay my 10% tithing on my take home (after taxes) money, so while $330K doesn’t seem like a lot when you bring home $3.8M, percentage wise it’s not too bad. THAT SAID, when you’re the president and you have everything in your life paid for by the taxpayers, you probably have more room to give, but that’s just me personally.

  • Puddin1

    JAMESCHIRICO Wrote:James, you are misstating the facts. Obama paid 1.7 million in Federal Taxes for last year, he made over 5 million and he gave close to 400k to charity. Are you saying the 1.7 million he paid in taxes counts toward charity? Let’s be sure to state the proper facts on this post.

  • unculturedswine

    Now Joe Biden on the other hand has a PATHETIC charity claim, after taxes he took home $250K and paid a measly $4820. THAT is absolutely pathetic, and it shows in his character.

  • unculturedswine

    @JAMESCHIRICO My math is still straight, the Nobel money isn’t reported (nor was it deserved). I was honestly impressed that he did pay the $330K though.

  • Puddin1

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  • TomfromNJ1

    Sorry — all I see here is a bunch of rationalizations. First, I personally watched the Beck show in question. He did NOT make these distinctions which are being made up after the fact. He did not say “if your church means …” He specifically said that if you even see the words “social justice” in your church to leave it. And, he spoke of your “priests” and “bishops” — notably not referring to “clergy” for example. And clearly the religion which is most associated with these titles is the one he turned his back on — Catholicism. Indeed, social justice IS a big part of the Catholic faith (as it is of his Mormon faith) and has been a big part in many of its documents. Interestingly enough Beck rants and raves about how evil unions are and the Catholic Church is known for 2 famous labor encycles (which, as a fallen away Catholic, Beck would know). So please, spare me the excuses for Beck. He is an uneducated bigot who tries to pass himself off as if he knows something.In addition, I have to disagree with those who do not think the Christian religion backs redistribution of wealth. Not only has the Catholic Church spoken eloquently on this topic, but the very Acts of the Apostles makes it abundently clear in the story of Ananias and Saphira. Again some will try to rationalize that story to protect their own greed, but it is quite clear that in those verses we have the origin of “To each according to his needs..” That came not from Marx but from the Bible long before Marx ever existed. But to people like Beck ever say this? No, as soon as someone suggests it, they pull a McCarthy and start yelling “Communist.” As John Howard Griffin said so well — “I am sick and tired of the Communists getting credit for all the decent things men do.”Indeed, if a person says that he is personally opposed to abortion, but does not think the state needs to conform to his views, the right jumps all over him. Yet they seem to be saying they favor charity on a personal level, but that that does not carry over to the state. Sorry, they cannot have it both ways.I am quite sure Beck’s show is very scripted (see how poorly he did when he tried to go without a script against Massa). There is probably not a sylable that was not put there for a reason. Beck’s motivation here has a lot more to do with the eye of a needle than with any real concern for the country.

  • Puddin1

    DOUGD1 Said:Can you site some specific times that Glenn wast hateful and pushes fear? Please put it in the proper context. What has Glenn said that isn’t true? I am sure he has made a few mistakes, I know when he has he promptly admits it on his show.

  • billvmagnifico

    Glenn Beck’s goals do not involve enhancing religion as part of the public exchange of ideas. He might not even care to promote any particular ideas as opposed to others. Glenn Beck wants to make money and his vehicle of choice is conservative talk radio and anything that can enhance his efforts therein. To think that he truly believes in anything other than self-aggrandizement (at least Limbaugh aspires ti public power without having to go through the inconvenience of being elected to it) is foolishness if a higher order

  • Puddin1

    TOMFROMNJ1 Said:

  • Alex_H

    Mr. Burguiere,I’d also ask Mr. Beck whether he thinks people should leave churches which advocate the denial of civil rights to some citizens.As an example: the Catholic Church (as represented by the bishops of the California Catholic Conference) and Mr. Beck’s own denomination, the LDS Church, were vocal proponents of California’s recent Proposition 8 referendum. The LDS President of the LDS Church actively urged the faithful to give time and money to the Prop 8 effort. Should Catholics and Saints who believe in equal rights for all citizens leave their churches, too?Other religious groups which took stands on Prop 8 are listed at Wikipedia:

  • cabana_boy

    “Not only has the Catholic Church spoken eloquently on this topic, but the very Acts of the Apostles makes it abundently clear in the story of Ananias and Saphira. Again some will try to rationalize that story to protect their own greed, but it is quite clear that in those verses we have the origin of ‘To each according to his needs..'”I think you need to go back and reread the story of Ananias and Saphira. Peter says to Ananias before he falls dead, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God.” In other words, Ananias’ sin wasn’t that he held back some of the money, it was that he lied to God. Furthermore, if you read the whole passage, which includes part of Acts 4 and Acts 5, you’ll see that it centers around church members who owned property and WILLINGLY sold it in order to give to the church. The church did not forcefully require its members to sell the land and in turn give all that money directly to the church.You, sir, need to read your Bible before making such gross misinterpretations to the public.

  • ice_nine

    I’d just like to point out to all those bandying about how conservatives give more: the vast majority of that is in the form of tithings. Tithings may be deductible as charity but they are not charity. There is no quid pro quo in true charity.

  • Hispana

    When are people in America going to wake up and realize that since Obama and his followers took office they are planning and plotting insiduously to transform our whole nation into a SOCIALIST society? And don’t get all offended if I say that Obama is a socialist-marxist! It is my opinion. When are people going to wake up and realize that right under our noses we have a group that is trying to do a coup of all of our values?Glenn Beck is totally correct in his assertions of the term, invented by socialists of social justice. This is now infiltrating many of our churches and religion and many are failing to understand that this is nothing more than a subversive way of introducing socialistic ideas into our society. It reaches a halt when these false prophets such as Wallis and Pfleger try to make it a must on our religious principles. So much misinterpretation of our Bible and of Jesus teachings. The Bible is full of passages with Jesus teachings on the need to be charitable, but it all comes with the principle of everyone helping themselves first and I clearly see that all of this is encouraged out of your willingness. So, Rev. Wright and Wallis and many other alike are totally perverting a concept in their quest to introduce their socialist agenda of redistribution of wealth using our good nature as an excuse to confuse us while they try their political agenda.Don’t be confused and open your eyes because Obama and followers have a clear agenda in mind and if we are asleep we will find ourselves losing every freedom that was given to us by our fathers and our Constitution.Let’s be vigilant and wary of the false Prophets swarming us and like the disease they are, we must eliminate it!!!Wake up America!!!!

  • Puddin1

    BILLVMAGNIFICO Said:

  • onemore

    The term “social justice” has become a euphamism for liberal thinking,a redistribution of wealth, and a marginalization of the individual citizen. In an attempt to destroy Christianity, which is the biggest threat to this Obama agenda, so-called political liberation theology “Christians” are distorting the truth of the scripture and using well meaning people to further the agenda now on parade with Obama and his posturing.I am reminded of a bumper sticker I saw in the 70’s and 80’s on a number of “churchy” vehicles…. “Peace through Social Justice”. No, justice can never bring peace, maybe at its best fairness-But at its worst it is being used to socially re-engineer America. All it brings is the lack of dignity to the individual person. Obama is no respecter of persons since he believes that the END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS. The way he says it is and I quote: “No one cares about the process”, but we do care, we care a lot. Truly,the only thing that can bring true peace is the love that Jesus taught. This can only be found in truth with faith and hope and charity to, with, and for one another. Did you ever think that if someone believes in the “end justifying the means” then there are no values or principles that cannot be breached. So if someone doesn’t care how he gets there, just that he does….how can you believe him when he says “trust me”?

  • cabana_boy

    “Should Catholics and Saints who believe in equal rights for all citizens leave their churches, too?”Seeing as how the Bible is abundantly clear that marriage is between a man and woman (please reference Genesis 2 if this isn’t clear) and that the Bible is also abundantly clear that any sexual relationship outside the marriage covenant is sinful (which not only includes homosexual, but also heterosexual relationships); yes, I would say if your church advocates “equal rights” in the form of gay marriage then you should run like a bat out of Hades.

  • Puddin1

    ICE_NINE Said:

  • CaroleG5

    There are only a few differences between Glenn Beck and Reverend Wallis but they are noteworthy. Beck does his homework, is armed with facts, has been correct about most of what he asserts, and is willing to be accountable for what he posits. The Reverend Wallis, on the other hand, seems to be all about personal attack, founded in innuendo and unsubstantiated allegations, and most disappointingly, a designated and condoned attack dog for the President of the United States… who appears to personally lack the courage of his convictions sufficient to pick up and call “the red phone” number. I’d say truth versus fiction pretty much sums it all up. A distinction worth noting.

  • cabana_boy

    “I’d just like to point out to all those bandying about how conservatives give more: the vast majority of that is in the form of tithings. Tithings may be deductible as charity but they are not charity. There is no quid pro quo in true charity.”Your point makes no sense. Whether it’s “tithes” or “charity”, both are given willfully without the force of the government. In addition, whether it’s “tithes” or “charity”, both are deductible on your taxes. Furthermore, tithes are to be used in the operation of the church; which, if the church is operating as it should be, is a charity (and if your church isn’t then you need to find a new one).In addition, I am deeply involved in the finances of my church, and if the rest of the churches in America are like mine (and there’s no reason to believe they aren’t based on numerous reports I’ve heard from others), there is only a small minority of church goers who pay anything remotely close to their 10% in tithes.

  • Hispana

    For those naysayers and Glenn Beck haters here and in the MSN I ask you to list all issues where Glenn Beck has been wrong. You will find that there are very few, and when he has been incorrect, he comes forward and corrects it quite humbly. Now tell me if any other reporter here in WAPO and CNN, MSNBC, etc. do that. Glenn Beck has a big audience and followers because what he talks about is quite factual and he doesn’t hesitate to expose the corruption that is in our society. And please, I don’t accept your marginalizing of him nor his audience as many of you have done through out this year. That strategy is totally backfiring as well as assuming that all Fox followers, Tea Party followers etc, are unintelligent individuals, or crazies.The great thing about this country is that the majority of people are pragmatic and appreciate this country and this President and his minority of now followers will not succeed with their socialist agenda. America has woken up and many who voted for Obama have a great case of voting remorse. Obama in his narcissistic ways, has failed to see what the true american spirit is and he touched a raw nerve and now he will have to reckon with all of us.

  • TomfromNJ1

    To PuddinJesus let us know what he thought about taxes when the Grover Northquists of his day tried to trap him. He made a beautiful answer “Render unto Caesar…” Taxes are not evil. The Boston Tea Party complained not about taxes, but “Taxation without representation.” The modern tea people are just against taxes despite the fact that they get to vote for representatives. They are NOT following the founders. But to get more to your point, I have a small amount of money to give to charity. But, while I may contribute to my church, even they cannot get to the biggest picture. I believe in Lincoln’s words that the government is of, by, and for the people. What little I can afford to give to help (very little in the big picture) can be much more efficiently distributed by the government. For example, people I do not know exist may need food stamps so they can eat a decent meal. I am happy if my little share of taxes might go to help such folks. I would not know who they were and so I could never help them on my own.Your mentioning Social Security is a great example. That coupled with Medicare are two of the greatest success stories in history. If you do not believe that, you need only to look at the life expectancy before and after. If you are old enough, you will no doubt remember the plight of the elderly before the enactments.And your complaint about them being in the red (actually, they are not yet) is a tribute to their success. When SS was inaugurated, the life expectancy was at least 10 years less than now. So the fact that it needs more funds shows it was a success [and I shutter to think of what would have happened had the right wingers been able to push their privatizing it on us — notice how few of them ever spoke of it when the Stock Market tanked? — so much for principles].Further, using those same scriptures of the obligation of the rich giving to the poor (and please notice everywhere Jesus speaks of charity it is “giving.” Justice demands paying people for work, but charity comes with no strings). I often hear the right wingers cry for a “fair tax” by which they mean a flat tax. Well, I might give some credence to them if they first proposed it for the FICA. Right now, a person making $10,000 pays about 7.8% into the social security fund while the kid who comes out of high school with a $10,000,000 basketball contract pays less than 0.08% I won’t even start with the billionaires. Just have them pay the same as everyone else and have their employer match it and we would have no trouble with funding this most popular of government programs. And, if our representatives had the guts (and were not afraid of not getting donations from these folks) to make it retroactive, we could pay for Medicare to boot. No, the problem is not the government running the program, it is too many people not paying their fair share. The government should tax according to the principle “to whom much has been given, much will be expected.”

  • OpenMindedbutNotGullible

    The previous posts lead me to some conclusions. 1. Liberals prefer name calling and hate-speech to providing facts to back up their statements. 2. Either they have not watched Glenn Beck or if they have they either have selective hearing or they choose to lie about what they saw and heard. 3. Stating facts and history is considered hate speech. 4. A liberals most effective rebuttal to facts are name calling, lies and histrionics.

  • Puddin1

    ALEX_H Said:

  • floridamom1

    Social Justice is not in the bible and anyone who thinks so hasn’t read the bible, or perhaps they are reading one of the many different translations which cater to specific religions so that they can prove what they think is correct. Social Justice in this instance is about taking away a person’s right to give freely and forcing them to do so. By doing this you take away their agency and deny them the blessings of giving freely of their substance. Christ would never have denied someone the opportunity to give freely. He never would have forced anyone to do anything. Social justice is an attack on the plan of salvation that has been put in place by God. Social justice is also a counterfeit of what the Lord would do which makes it one of those things you should definitely turn away from. Anyone who thinks that Jesus would force you to help your fellow man is grossly mistaken and maybe needs to repent.

  • Puddin1

    TOMFROMNJ1 Said:I am all for charities and charitable contributions. I disagree that the government is efficient enough to redistribute this money. Your quote regarding Jesus when he said to pay taxes.. you would be insane back then not to, he was agreeing that you had to pay taxes. Do you understand what happened back then if you didn’t? What happens today if you don’t? You go go jail. Do you really think Christ was going to tell them not to pay taxes? Give me a break. You and I simply disagree how charity should be distributed.

  • cabana_boy

    “Your mentioning Social Security is a great example. That coupled with Medicare are two of the greatest success stories in history.”Yes, between these two programs we have a $107 TRILLION unfunded liability. Now THAT’S a great success story…Furthermore, you draw illogical conclusions regarding life expectancy and Social Security. The average life expectancy in 1900 was 49.2. It had increased to 59.2 by 1930 (Social Security wasn’t enacted until 1935). Jumping another 30 years into the future (1960), life expectancy had again jumped by about 10 years to 69.9. So, equating Social Security with longer life expectancies is fraught with fallacies, as are most of the rest of your arguments.

  • brytek

    This sounds like the War of the Roses. What is the argument really about, someone watches the show and sees what they expect to see, hears what they expect to hear. Those who point to Glen as a dangerous person because he reaches 5 to 6 million people daily are really saying the right to speech is predicated upon the rightness of their speech, we have truely reached the end of dialouge. This discussion is more about attempted dialouge between two peoples who use the same language with entirely different meanings, sad really, because it portends the end of one nation. As Lincolon said, “a nation divided against itself cannot stand…” and as we see the entrenchment of the opposite poles we cannot survive as one nation any longer; for we are two peoples with the divide widening daily. To survive and live in peace with our neighbors we need to consider what being more then one nation would mean before we tear ourselves apart and leave our inheritance for the scavengers.

  • butch248

    While it’s funny to hear you all go back and forth about the salary vs. charity war, I would advise you to take a look at OpenSecrets.org and look at Special Interest income. I guess you have to report that, also. I’m not sure, Anyway, between: Lawyers/Lobyists,Finance/Insurance,Misc.

  • pfLibertarian

    I applaud the President for his generosity regarding his giving – he did not claim the Nobel money, so he did not claim the deduction. Regardless, this is money he “earned” and generously gave away, so let’s stop being silly about his generosity.Now Biden, they have traditionally been pretty stingy. But honestly, that should be none of our business – this character assassination is getting really old.I don’t know Beck’s giving habits, and as a Christian we are taught to not talk about it, but to do it as our heart leads us, not out of a sense of guilt and certainly not publicly, as if we publicize our giving, we lose the blessing.The stooges that call Beck ridiculous names with zero foundation are just that – stooges. The guy has built a very successful business. Sometimes he needs to re-think what he says, and he is one of the few who apologizes when he gets something wrong. I admire his accomplishments and from what I know if it, his character. If you don’t like what he says, disagree, challenge him, but enough with the insults – it is beyond childish.

  • TomfromNJ1

    People claiming social justice is not in the Bible must be focusing in the phrase (an English phrase after all) and not the idea. Good heavens, it is as old as the story of Joseph. Would that our government had the wisdom God gave Joseph. He had his government save up during the 7 good years so that they would be able to take care of the people during the 7 lean years. God worked through the government via Joseph so that people would not go hungry (I do not see Him leaving things to the private sector). Unfortunately we have too many on the right who, when the government had a surplus, would cry for tax cuts. When this current fiscal crisis passes (and, thank God, it seems to be showing signs of doing so), I hope the politicians see things the way God showed Joseph and we put excess away so that the government can take care of us when we are in need just as he had Joseph do for the Eqyptians. But, at any rate, I am tired of people picking and choosing from the Bible in such a way that their interpretation always seems to favor their greed.

  • cabana_boy

    What an eloquent statement, Brytek

  • Puddin1

    Okay, I must admit that I was wrong on the SS debt.The US government owes the Social Security Administration 2.5 Trillion dollars, the number I quoted earlier was incorrect. That number included much more entitlements that are above and beyond SS.So I was wrong, wow, I can admit it!

  • MoonDoggie

    Looks as if the reverend Jim Wallis is into personal aggrandizement more than Christian charity. He is an interesting study – a man professing to be a religionist…while at the same time acting like a politician. Is this man’s ministry ethical and moral, or is it a front for political action ala MoveOn? Makes me wonder!

  • Hispana

    Social justice is an attack on the plan of salvation that has been put in place by God.You expressed quite to the point what this radical liberal term is. Points very well made.

  • mnicholas1

    Everyone who has done any reading and research understand that the left has hijacked the “social justice” agenda. Who can be against social justice? No one left, right, atheist, christian, jewish or muslim.The problem as Beck pointed out are the “social justice” lobbies. When you see the totally disingenuous group ACORN–charged with criminal complaints fighting for “social justice,” that’s when we know we are not speaking the same language.

  • rksinc

    After reading all of the comments, I must conclude that there is probably no hope for America. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant about a topic. But, choosing to be ignorant, and forming opinions based upon purposeful ignorance, and then when the truth is revealed to still choose to be ignorant, is just too much to fathom. Anyone who has watched and read Glenn Beck, and who has taken the time to study the history and the issues he presents, knows that he has nothing but the best interests of America at heart. I find him to be correct in his facts a high percentage of the time. There is no question that he is an alarmist, but his concerns are genuine and based upon real facts. If many of these posts represent just how ignorant, immoral, foolhardy and out of touch Americans are, then we as a nation have truly turned our back on God and the moral principles that this country was founded on, and only God’s mercy can save us…..

  • UpNorth21

    What liberals do is use the guise of “social justice” to advance their personal agenda(s) to redistribute wealth and seize power. They could care less what the Bible has to say. In fact, liberals don’t READ the Bible. Evidence? The National Day of Prayer in Wisconsin is deemed “unconstitutional”. All liberals need to 1. Read, understand, and apply the teachings of the Bible. 2. Re-read the U.S. Constitution. Problems solved.

  • cabana_boy

    “People claiming social justice is not in the Bible must be focusing in the phrase (an English phrase after all) and not the idea. Good heavens, it is as old as the story of Joseph. Would that our government had the wisdom God gave Joseph. He had his government save up during the 7 good years so that they would be able to take care of the people during the 7 lean years.”What you speak of is not social justice, but fiscal conservatism (that the government would wisely consume its resources in order to prepare for the inevitable “rainy day”), something that is woefully lacking from both parties in Washington today.What Joseph did was not “social justice” because he did not take from the rich in an effort to equalize the wealth among the poor. The passage says he took a fifth of the harvest of ALL of Egypt, which would include both rich and poor. In addition, Joseph did not exclusively take from the rich in order to give to the poor, but he stored up the grain in order to distribute to all in the ensuing famine….But, at any rate, I am tired of people picking and choosing from the Bible in such a way that their interpretation always seems to favor their political idealogy.

  • svenole

    Please get it right. Is the Gospel about social needs-Yes!Was and is Jesus about social needs-Yes!Please Rev. Wallis you who state boldly the above, show us where Jesus center, creator and one who the Gospel is all about,Ever petitioned the roman govt.for anything for the poor or to help the people? Jesus watched the women put her offering, one little “mite”, into the plate. He stated that “this poor widow put in more than all the contributions to the treasury” Mark 12;43. There is no justice here But that is the social gospel! People helping people, which is what Glen beck advocates every day. Why, Rev Wallis,a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, a evangelical christian. Why are you sitting alongside the “Roman Governor”, a place where Jesus Never sought to be? Come back down here with the people and strengthen us with the Gospel truth not fiction.

  • abcurtiss

    The American PioneerTwo hundred years ago you walked across this landby A. B. Curtiss

  • dennymerrel

    The term “social justice” is not in the Bible. It was not an Ancient Near Eastern concept, and it would not have been welcomed. It is a 20th century concept. My first exposure to so-called “social justice” was in seminary in 1992. Ron Sider, a left leaning evangelical coined the phrase “God is on the side of the poor'” like it was right out of the biblical text. It is not! Liberation theology is a conflation of text that makes evangelical liberals feel at home with proactive state action. One of my professors, an author, expressed that “we need to share the benefits and burdens of living in society together.” I confronted my professor and asked her if this was socialism. She stated that it was an eclectic aproach. So much for openness and honesty!! I could not get an answer about who the “we” are. And they put much more emphasis on sharing the benefits than the burdens.

  • Ingenity

    Kudos to the Post for putting up both sides of the story!I find it ironic & hypocritical that those pushing the social re-engineering of America don’t lead by example.Biden, Obama, et al, have dismal records of demonstrating wealth redistribution in their personal lives. Their past 1040’s show almost nothing done in charitable giving; that it up until this year.A CBS news story ran last night highlighting an increase of income as well as an uncharacteristic amount given to charity in 2009.The story also underscored BHO’s surrender of the Nobel prize to charity. It is easier to give something given to you than something that cost you.What about those un-named who have consistently given sacrificially out of their lack as well as their earned wages?

  • dennymerrel

    Liberation theology is not just a concept. The World Council of Churches and National Council of Churches were taking offerings from American churches for many years and supporting left wing causes in Latin American countries – even militant, revolutionary missions, in order to support socialism in South America. Read: From Mainline to Sideline.

  • dennymerrel

    I am in full agreement with Glenn Beck when he says “when you hear the term “liberation theology” run for your life. It is not supported by the Bible, the bible’s history, and if they are openly admitting to being supporters of social justice … they are likely to be funneling your offerings to leftist political causes. The message tends to sideline the true mission of the church which is: he who believes is made righteous or just, the just one, by his/her faith, shall live. A belief that Christ is the one sent by God to bring salvation to all – a moral redemption and eventual restoration or redemption of creation.

  • dennymerrel

    The response of the left is very telling: they believe there is no compassion, but government compassion. to the contrary, there is no personal divine benefit or reward for surrendering your responsibility to give to the government in Scripture. Again, this concept is foreign to the ancient Near East.

  • BarbInFL

    Oh, dear! Cabana Boy – you have apparently never read the whole story of Joseph in Egypt. His purpose there was to protect his father Jacob and 11 brothers, not redistribute the wealth of Egypt. In fact, he did not distribute the grain that had been stored up at all – he SOLD it. First for money, then crops, then animals and finally land and freedom. A cursory reading of Genesis 47:11-26 will show that ALL the Egyptians except the priests became slaves like tenant farmers of Pharoah. And I fear that history is repeating itself here in the USA as we sell ourselves into slavery for a chance at the public trough!

  • Confederate-Exile

    An old joke I heard from the famous Paul Harvey: Two communists are having a political discussion: Ivan: Comrade, if you had 2 pigs would you give one to me? Igor: Of course! And, if you had 2 cows would you give one to me? Ivan: Certainly, comrade! And, I know that, if you had 2 overcoats you would share. Igor: Don’t be stupid, Ivan! You know I have two overcoats!!Not all Christians “tithe” (the Israelite religion’s 10% rule). But many give much more in time & treasure to many who need help, regardless of tax benefits.The EXAMPLE of the church was generosity & sharing. Jesus & the Apostles applauded & encouraged this. There is certainly a commandment to “give” or “share.” But none to “sell it all and give it to ?????.” Outside the Bible, that model has not worked well, historically. Coerced “generosity” ends up in the forests of Guyana or the outskirts of Waco. (Jim Jones did “good” things; but what sane person would call Jones, “good?”)Finally, even Satan offered Jesus food when in the desert. Jesus turned it down. People who DO good things aren’t always good people. Nor should we honor or even tolerate their “good” deeds when those deeds are underwritten by evil.Wallis’ job is to disrupt anything that challenges Obama’s overall program of doing good things regardless of motive. His theology – and I choke as I type that – has nothing to do with preaching the Gospel; or he’d be convincing Muslims that Jesus is Lord and Mohammed is not the prophet of God. Oddly, he is not.

  • robertajackson1

    For all those who do not like Glenn Beck and feel that he is a fraud, please tell me anyone else in the public media that encourages folks to do a fact check and to correct them if they are wrong. Glenn has stated on several occasions that if he is found to be wrong, he would lead with the story. He has done that very thing on one or two occasions. It’s fun to be critical, but it’s more fun to be informed and have some integrity when you speak.

  • DavidH3

    Hmm, my polite and tasteful reply to Moon714 seems to have been blocked. Darn, I didn’t save a copy.Someone else asked to see where Beck has distorted the facts and that his followers are hateful. I’ve listened to him talk, and I recognize pseudo-rationality when I see it. I recognize how he plays on emotions and encourages responses based on anger that brings out the worse in people. Look at the posts from his supporters. People who call Obama a socialist (by which they do not mean the honorable, Christian kind) and a radical. For more specific examples, you can also google Glenn Beck debunk or try the mediamatters-dot-org website and search for a few choice tidbits under his name.

  • Gina15

    Funny thing is, no one here really understands tithing. It was based on agriculture, not money. If you weren’t able to haul your produce to the temple (during Passover) you were to sell it and use the money to purchase things in the town square, not give it to the temple. The Temple Priests used the agriculture for their and the needs of the poor. It was the storehouse. Joseph shows this, the bible teaches this. Monetary gain for the temple was shunned because it could cause the priest to become corrupt. People don’t read their bibles and they don’t connect the dots. Jim Wallace, that man a false God, sits in the most ungodly house in this country and expects people to take him seriously.

  • DavidH3

    Maybe it was my clever use of asterisks for quotes that caused my response to be blocked. Though sometimes the use of quotes seem to cause comments to be blocked. Anyway, I mainly quoted from the WaPo column by Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite yesterday, on the faith forum. You can search for that. I also liked what Rabbi Susan Brous had to say.I am not saying that Thistlethwaite and Brous’s interpretations of the Bible are the only ones possible, but the spirit of what the early Christians did was most clearly aligned with the spirit of socialism. Followers were supposed to bring everything they had to the apostles, and these were then distributed according to need. Not a tithing, but everything.Of course one cannot compare the early Christian communities to modern democratic states, but the point is the spirit of what is done. You were supposed to bring everything. If you do this now, you would not be taxed by the federal government, of course, because you would have nothing left.My other point that I wanted to make is that the US government still is a democratically elected government. If you guys on the right vote out my guys this November, I will be sad but I will still pay my taxes next April. I do not regard the government as foreign to me, but a reflection of what my fellow citizens think and want. I will vote my conscience, and these days it is a Democratic conscience.

  • Gina15

    Double post: I didn’t preview the last one.Funny thing is, no one here really understands tithing. It was based on agriculture, not money. If you weren’t able to haul your produce to the temple (during Passover) you were to sell it and use the money to purchase things in the town square, not give it to the temple. The Temple Priests used the agriculture for their and the needs of the poor. It was the storehouse. Joseph shows this, the bible teaches this. Monetary gain for the temple was shunned because it could cause the priests to become corrupt. People don’t read their bibles and they don’t connect the dots. Jim Wallace, that man a false prophet, sits in the most ungodly house in this country and expects people to take him serious.

  • robertajackson1

    It’s fun to be critical, I suppose, but it’s more fun to be informed and and speak with some credibility. For those who believe Glenn Beck is a fraud, he states frequently that he’s just a guy. He states frequently that he wants people to send him factual information if they find that he has erred. He states frequently that if he is wrong, he will lead with that on his program. And he has done that on one or two occasions.I would encourage anyone who believes that Glenn is an idiot who doesn’t really know what he is talking about, to offer him some fact-based opposition.

  • eric6161

    Christ was arguably the greatest carpenter to ever live and while the Bible doesn’t tell us if He were rich I would suspect He had enough to keep him very comfortable. As He was about to begin His ministry He gave all that He had away.

  • jameschirico

    Fact is Obama gave the Nobel prize money he could have kept himself, that is charity. My math is still correct he gave 1.7 million to charity and paid taxes on reported income of 5.6 million. Beck pushes the buttons of nuts that shoot Pittsburgh policeman. He pushes racism, hatred of tyrants, religion (Farrakan)ying, spending, equates national health care with Hitler, puts a disowned Rev. Wright’s word into the presidents mouth. Beck preys on some of the worst instincts of man, Obama on the best. Beck, Palin, Bachmann and Foxx are Tea Party speakers and they are supposed to represent most of America putting gunsight targets on people telling others to take them out.

  • cabana_boy

    BarbInFL, I think you misread my post. I was responding to TomfromNJ1 who claimed that the story of Joseph was one of social justice. I totally disagree with that interpretation. I am in agreement with what you say.

  • cabana_boy

    “I am not saying that Thistlethwaite and Brous’s interpretations of the Bible are the only ones possible, but the spirit of what the early Christians did was most clearly aligned with the spirit of socialism. Followers were supposed to bring everything they had to the apostles, and these were then distributed according to need. Not a tithing, but everything.”Early Christians did give freely of themselves to help each other, but nowhere in Acts does it say they were *forced* to sell all their possessions and give everything to the Church. It was voluntary. Forced giving is not charity. Giving in the Bible is a matter of the heart. It’s not so much about how much you give, but the heart behind the giving (for example, look at the story of the widow’s mite). I know it’s cliche, but I really never have met anyone with a cheerful heart on April 15.

  • commonsense459

    If Beck is such an uneducated, ignorant hate monger and a racist, then why does he have so many smart supporters ? Supporters from every religous, social and political persuasion.

  • edjb50

    I just don’t get all the anger we are suppose to love one another, that’s Jesus message.render onto Cesar what is caesar’s, so give it to them my kingdom is in heaven with our lord how about you ?, are you right with God?????? peace be with you…….

  • RBurton2112

    TomNJ,Beck ,his family, studied Religious Science .

  • mibrooks27

    Both Obama and Beck seem to thoughtful men who genuinely believe in what they say. That stands in stark contrast to the assorted hucksters, lemmings, unthinking clodhoppers, and brain dead cheerleaders for them that blather they brains out here. If I were either man, I would be embarrassed those claiming to be their followers.

  • dennymerrel

    In reality, Beck and Obama are irrelevant to the debate. The issues are significant in the absence of both men. They have merely brought it to the attention of the public. For that you must give them credit. It has taken this long to come to light because the days of frivolent spending are numbered.

  • nada85484

    since when did YOU have to clarify what glen beck believes ???are you clairvoyant ???it seems to me that glen beck should be able to state what he believes all by himselfhe is a paid professional talker, isn’t he ???so why would a “so called journalist” like you waste an entire article telling me what glen beck believes ???I think you protest too muchlet beck speak and report what he saysstop telling us what beck really meanswe can figure that out for ourselves

  • trashcup

    Beck has found the goose that lays the golden eggs just like Limbaugh, Coulter, O’Reilly, et al. Say enough controversial things and people will listen. Once he started his “entertainment” show, he had to keep it going by being more controversial to keep his listeners. Listeners=money for Beck.If he didn’t say anything controversial, no one would listen to him and he wouldn’t have any money.Beck’s been proven wrong over and over. For example – his tirade about the 10 poorest cities in America having Democrats as mayors. So I guess Beck discovered the secret to poverty – just hire a Republican mayor. Nah, what Beck DIDN’T tell you is that the ten RICHEST cities in America ALSO have Deomcratic mayors.Beck, you can twist the info any way you wish, but it doesn’t mean you speak the truth.If everything is so bad in America, why not move to Costa Rica with Limbaugh – he promised to move there if the Health Care Law passed and I am positive Limbaugh is an honorable man who always does what he says he is going to do – NOT.

  • Rich62

    Judge a man or woman by the company they keep! This is just as true for the President as anyone. We naturally affiliate with like-minded folks. Compare Pres Obama’s circle of advisors/friends with Beck’s. Which group makes you feel more at ease? It’s any easy exercise. You either end up choosing a group of socialists or a group of conservatives. And the big difference between the two groups? Ultimately, this is it. A socialist will kill to further his cause. A conservative will die to further his! Which do you relate to more? I go with the conservative group. I have the blood of my founding fathers still in my body. They were devoutly conservative as were the documents they wrote to establish this great country. To be true to my American heritage and call myself a patriot, I honor these men and uphold the ideals in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

  • elkieswedie

    I think it is time to put away childish taunts from both sides. As many good people say the truth will set you free…….Does the media intend to decieve or are they just really bad at what they do? The truth it is out there…..I advise all of you to read what Fraud really is (definition below) and apply the acid test to the facts. Example: Mr. Obama indicated that my taxes would not go up…..did they go up? Yes, they did….by definition how does that fair? Was it deliberate??? Forget about a silly D or R or L or C for a minute.fraud[ frawd ]frauds Plural NOUN

  • johnmcragin

    Posted by John Cragin 04/17/10What a list! We see a lot of religious opinions above. I like to keep things simple. There is a recognized creation (the big bang, BB)– when time began. The essential element of most religions is to have the grace to be grateful to “the agent” that caused the BB AKA the Creator.There are many satisfying scripture supported religions. BUT there is no “one size fits all.” Personally, I reject thatHaving said this, I believe that Charity is

  • ThomasBaum

    Rich62You wrote, ” I have the blood of my founding fathers still in my body. They were devoutly conservative as were the documents they wrote to establish this great country.”I thought that they were known as revolutionaries, even the war that they started against the “established government” was called the Revolutionary War, was it not?The “documents” of the “founding fathers”, at least it seems to me, were not exactly in tune with the “status quo” of the day, were they?Actually, these “documents” were considered not only revolutionary but quite incendiary, were they not?You also wrote, “To be true to my American heritage and call myself a patriot, I honor these men and uphold the ideals in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.”Maybe it would have been better if the “founding fathers” would have actually upheld the “ideals”, of what they wrote, in reality rather than just on paper.This country has never lived up to the “ideals” contained in the “founding documents” and never will but that does not mean that it should not try.Take care, be ready.Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

  • jrcallaway

    to: nada85484 Uh, this isn’t a journalist writing this, it was a producer of the Glenn Beck program that was setting it straight what had been misreported about what Glenn said.

  • Faithrest

    I’ve seen so many spout a pick and chose “religious buffet” approach to their beliefs…like there is actually no other realm of existence other than materialism. This is one side of the clashing worldviews which is at the heart of the philosophical conflict that we sense going on today.Are we humans our own “god” as the atheists in essence believe? Do we contribute to their “heaven on earth” attempt through collect/distributive socialism which ultimately empowers the distributing center figure to play “god”? Is “human good” the same as Divine good? Didn’t Hitler build hospitals, etc., and appeal to the “goodness” in German voters initially? What lessons can we learn from Biblical word picture accounts of the Tower of Babel and mankind’s attempt to attain heaven through is OWN power and abilities…which was under the power of a human despot, Nimrod? What does that tell us about all the European socialist attempts that have been made to absorb all the global communities into their utopias, especially since Napoleon rose to power from the socialist French Revolutionary chaos? How is that atheistic philosophy incrementally now waging war against the American Revolutionary experiment which has the opposing mindset of the early American persecuted Christians escaping European oppression of faith in the independently free spirit of the North American frontier and free enterprise? Isn’t this looking more like the global attempt by the Anti-Christ described in predicted concluding events of the Church Age before the return of Christ? As on the Titanic, many naive Christians have contributed to the wrong methods of rescuing the death bound passengers of time and space in the “sinking ship” of sin cursed human society. Their attempts only made them more comfortable in their eternal destruction.The diametrically opposed worldview asks isn’t there an “unmovable Mover” that set all things in motion that is outside the realm of His own Creation, whose “ways or not our way”, and “Whose thoughts are not our thoughts”, His thoughts being “higher than our thoughts and ways as the heavens are higher than the earth”?(Isaiah 55:8)(and since the placement of the Hubble telescope, we can’t comprehend that height!)The atheistic worldview, in essence is attempting to counterfeit through human government what the organism of humans (not a human organization) called the universal Church (His designated representatives on the earth) are suppose to be responsible for and interacting like…as a family that wants to take care of each other and bring others into the family fold so that we will be prepared for the Father’s arrival. Just remember, godless capitalism is not much better than godless socialism…but at least capitalism is just an economic tool, not a basic doctrine for creating “heaven on earth” as is atheistic socialism! The danger is when godless capitalism is blended with socialism to overcome its incentive stagnation.

  • lmcclemons

    Interesting. Mr. Beck has hours and hours of time to expound his theories. But he is apparently such a poor communicator that his producer must explain what Mr. Beck “really” meant. Perhaps Mr. Beck should take some of the millions of dollars he has earned to take a course in logic 101.

  • TimHays

    Chistian principle #1: John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son. That who so ever beleaves in Him should not perish but have ever lasting life.Make NOTE that human free will is so important to God that He will allow us to choose NOT to have ever lasting life. Along with lots of other FREE WILL actions. Such as to be charitible or NOT. The truth does not matter UNLESS we choose Christ and we become His disciple then we will know the truth and then the truth will set us free.

  • canuckster1127

    The benevolance of Glenn Beck must have been missed about the time that he said of Jim Wallis, “And when the hammer comes, it’s going to be hammering hard and all through the night, over and over. There are years of video and audio, things I bet that you didn’t even know were recorded. It’s weird how people all over the world have been sending me stuff.”Nice Guy! How could we miss the kindness and care in that?

  • parkerjbp

    canuckster1127 made an interesting comment about Glen’s statements. He said ““And when the hammer comes, it’s going to be hammering hard and all through the night, over and over. There are years of video and audio, things I bet that you didn’t even know were recorded. It’s weird how people all over the world have been sending me stuff.”Pretty bad yes? Well not really. Glen has been using a quote over and over on his show and if you were a listener instead of someone who gets his news from radical political sites you would know that. The quote is “Use truth as your anvil, nonviolence as your hammer and anything that does not stand the test when it is brought to the anvil of truth and hammered with nonviolence, reject it.” The author of that quote? M.K. GANDHIAnd this is what Glen B means by arguing with idiots.

  • DavidH3

    Cabana boy wrote: Early Christians did give freely of themselves to help each other, but nowhere in Acts does it say they were *forced* to sell all their possessions and give everything to the Church. It was voluntary. Forced giving is not charity. Giving in the Bible is a matter of the heart. It’s not so much about how much you give, but the heart behind the giving (for example, look at the story of the widow’s mite). I know it’s cliche, but I really never have met anyone with a cheerful heart on April 15. My response:Others have commented and so have I that it is difficult to compare early Christian communities to modern democratic states. In a community, you could always leave if you did not accept its rules and habits. A modern state is much more formalized, both in its rules and style of punishment. You can leave the United States, too, but it’s much harder to do if you were born here. But the spirit of helping those who need help, redistributing wealth to those who don’t have it, these are shared ideals between the early Christians and socialism. It is certainly consistent wit the teachings of Christ to care for the poor, and to express this not only through one’s church but in other ways, even through secular government by voting for representatives who will write laws to protect the poor.As for being “forced” to give and not wanting to because then it is not “charity”: this depends on your level of maturity. If you think the money is wisely spent, then a mature person would give gladly whether he/she is forced to do it or not. It is still a matter of the heart. The state cannot compel you to give gladly; only you can. If you think the money is not wisely spent, of course that is a different story. Then it is your obligation to object.For myself, I am one of the 5% who did not get a tax break this year. I paid it, and, as usual, with mixed feelings. I support Obama, what he is trying to do. I have some quibbles about how he is doing it, but I believe in him and in his general approach. Next year, if you guys vote out my guys, I may be less happy about paying taxes, but I still will. It is part of the social contract of living here, and being a citizen. I give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s. But even when I give to Caesar, I give praise to God.

  • nobody18

    I’m sorry but after reading all these posts and the comments on other sites- it’s quite clear that rather than this country banding together and respecting each others opinions, it seems all about blaming each other- just because you’re on the other side. I pray that the predictions of 2012 are right, because if there was ever a world in dire need of a start over it’s ours. Like a line from the old classic: “God is gonna shake His mighty head

  • karch33

    Quote from lmcclemons | April 17, 2010 3:21 PM:**”Interesting. Mr. Beck has hours and hours of time to expound his theories. But he is apparently such a poor communicator that his producer must explain what Mr. Beck “really” meant. Hello? McFly? Mr. Beck DID explain what he meant. Stu’s point is that the lamestream media passed over his point of clarification that it’s about the type of church that’s singing the praises of “social justice”.Stu has to clarify here, because the state-run media is unwilling to do its job to report ALL of the story objectively. To do so would encumber this administration w/ accountability…God forbid.

  • areyousaying

    Part IIBeck on The President: “The President has exposed himself as a guy … over and over and over again … who has a deep-seated hatred for white people … or the white culture… This guy is, I believe, a racist.” Beck on global warming: — He accused Al Gore of creating a new “Hitler youth” by promoting environmental awareness among young peopleBeck on Guantanamo: He proposed that we simply dispose of our terrorism detainees at Guantanamo by shooting them in the head.On Katrina: “The only [Katrina victims] we’re seeing on television are the scumbags.”On Michael Moore: “I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. … No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus — band — Do, and I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, ‘Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,’ and then I’d see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, ‘Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.’ And you know, well, I’m not sure.” –responding to the question “What would people do for $50 million?”Certainly not Elder Beck.

  • PeaceLanese

    Is it really that hard to understand- having something taken from you as opposed to giving it freely is vastly different? No matter how you slice it. You have something taken from you, you are bitter and resentful. You can have the intellects intellectualize it to death and tell you how you should feel and how you are “immature” and greedy if you don’t like it. And how it’s the basis of ‘Christianity’ and you should be willing. Give me a break. I’m sure slave owners made the same argument in their day. Do you really think this is what God meant? I think not.

  • patriot001776

    Wallis, Wright and their ilk personify what is wrong with Christianity today. The early church grew organically without the benefit of church buildings, pastors (the type that bury the dead, marry the young, and deliver a wordy rhetorical sermon every Sunday), and even Bibles (most people were illiterate and couldn’t have read them if they had them) and by some estimates, 85% of the known world was evangelized by the end of the first century.

  • MaryscottOConnor

    I’m sorry… did you really SAY this… without ANY irony whasoever…?”It’s up to Americans to decide whether this–or any–level of presidential access is appropriate for someone like Wallis. “Did we or did we not just come out of eight full years a of George W. Bush regime? Or perhaps you meant to emphasize the “someone like Wallis” part of that sentence. Maybe it’s JIM WALLIS you have a problem with, rather than the LEVEL OF ACCESS… because I have a REALLY good memory, Mr. Burguiere, and I recall FULLY the UNBELIEVABLE access “men of god” had to the President of the United States of America during the tenure of George W. Bush…And yeah, it REALLY bothered me, too. Funny how I never read your feelings of disturbance THEN. Should I comb the archives for any articles by you, expressing your displeasure? No? Got a feeling I’d come up empty. Methinks it’s the politics, Mr. Burguiere.Hypocrisy. It’s a bugger.

  • dbhonig

    Are you kidding me? I listed to that “special show” about extremism in America, and I was completely dumbfounded. First, this “editorial” is completely dishonest, for Beck wrapped his entire “report” around nothing more than the phrase “social justice.” But more important, Glenn Beck IS Father Coughlin! He is a dishonest, fear-mongering, hate-mongering divisive cartoon of a person, yet e seems to think that by simply not using the phrase “social justice’ he is different.

  • WatchingMedia

    Per the Bible, as individuals we are obliged to help the poor.Jesus NEVER said that any GOVERNMENT should take away from some people and give to others.He never said the GOVERNMENT should be in a position to make life and death health care decisions (coming with rationing due to costs).Socialism by any name is still socialism.What ever happend to helping only those who can not help themselves ?Why don’t public schools teach the Constitution and Bill of Rights anymore? Hmmmm ?

  • WatchingMedia

    Per the Bible, as individuals we are obliged to help the poor.Jesus NEVER said that any GOVERNMENT should take away from some people and give to others.He never said the GOVERNMENT should be in a position to make life and death health care decisions (coming with rationing due to costs).Socialism by any name is still socialism.What ever happend to helping only those who can not help themselves ?Why don’t public schools teach the Constitution and Bill of Rights anymore? Hmmmm ?

  • benj4peace

    Good ending salvo, Mr. Burgiere. Those last three sentences were poetic, and you found yourself a bright side. Too bad the rest of the column is a nakedly slanderous attempt to draw flimsy guilt-by-associations. You are expending your own energy to discredit a true Christian man who has worked tirelessly for spiritual and charity efforts since way before Glenn Beck was a millionaire… Stu, you have stepped into the very center of sin. A man’s Christian faith is a covenant in his heart, between himself and Jesus Christ, and no one else. For you to PUBLICLY CAST ASPERSION on a man’s committed Christian faith and intent is to defile the very face of Christ. How DARE YOU disparage a brother in such a manner? Your own Christianity is nowhere to be seen in your hate-filled invective, supported by nothing but STRAW MAN arguments. I would love to have the time to go over point by point where your narrative loses all logical connectivity. All the while, neither you nor Beck ever address a *single* point of Mr. Wallis’ actual communication to you. Disingenuous at best. You know what you are doing. You are allowing your own tongue and pen to murder someone’s character. AND you get paid for it. Whoring your soul. That is some heavy karma, man, and you won’t be man enough when it bites you back. And it’s all. of. your. own. making. Save your own soul and allow your tongue and pen to be guided by a Higher Principle, before your time on earth has passed.

  • cabana_boy

    “Others have commented and so have I that it is difficult to compare early Christian communities to modern democratic states. In a community, you could always leave if you did not accept its rules and habits. A modern state is much more formalized, both in its rules and style of punishment.”What? Your comment makes no sense, because the early Christian communities existed under Roman rule. They still had to pay Roman taxes. There is no difference between their plight and ours, except that we’ve not seen the persecution they did (yet). You can still “leave” the Christian community if you want to today, just as they could during Roman times, but it was just as hard then as it is now to leave the rule of formalized government.”But the spirit of helping those who need help, redistributing wealth to those who don’t have it, these are shared ideals between the early Christians and socialism.”Ummm…have you not read your Bible? Where was the wealth forcibly taken from individuals and redistributed to the poor? Every example we have of giving to the poor in the Bible, or “redistributing the wealth,” was accomplished by individuals who willingly shared of what they had, and not forcing them to give all or even part of their belongings. As Christians we are commanded to help the poor, but nowhere are we commanded to be Robin Hood and steal from the rich to give to the poor. In fact, as I recall, stealing is something that’s pretty clearly defined as wrong in the Bible. “As for being “forced” to give and not wanting to because then it is not “charity”: this depends on your level of maturity. If you think the money is wisely spent, then a mature person would give gladly whether he/she is forced to do it or not. It is still a matter of the heart. The state cannot compel you to give gladly; only you can. If you think the money is not wisely spent, of course that is a different story. Then it is your obligation to object.”So am I not “mature” if I don’t “give” gladly from the wrong end of the proverbial gun held by the government? Furthermore, no matter how you spin it, whether you have a “cheerful” heart or not, compelled giving is not charity. When you are compelled to give you’re not giving from the heart, you’re giving from the piece of paper that tells you how much you owe. And the state cannot compel you to give? That’s an interesting take on the definition of “compel” when the consequences of not giving are fines, wage garnishments, and possible jail time. In addition, I’m not sure what your definition of “wisely spent” is, but if you believe the government wisely spends your tax money then I’ve got a piece of ocean front property to sell you in Nebraska.

  • jgrant2

    DavidH3 said:”If you think the money is wisely spent, then a mature person would give gladly whether he/she is forced to do it or not. It is still a matter of the heart. The state cannot compel you to give gladly; only you can.”The level of ingnorance in this statement is beyond compare. No explanation is needed as to why, I’m sure it’s obvious to those of us with more than 2 brain cells. LOL! DavidH3, you really made my day with that comment, thanks!

  • Mortal

    “When is the last time you felt charitable on April 15?”Actually, it was 4 days ago. As an American, I am proud of my contribution to the general good. I celebrate every April 15th by spending a few moments thinking about all the wonderful things my tax money provides for society. I can’t remember who said this, but it’s a great quote: “I love paying taxes. they buy me civilization” (or words to that effect).

  • barferio

    Consider the idea that Beck and Wallis agreed to this noise long before Beck ever said anything about it.They both benefit from the self-righteous posers who support them, and hate each other.Look at all the smug flatulence emitted by these people. It’s a win-win for the two of them, and you suckers are paying for it.

  • OldMan9

    The comment about up to the fortunate people to help the less fortunate.This has been in the Talmud for over 5000 years. It is one of the basics of true Judaism.

  • ArgumentumPatriot1776

    Jim Wallis is another one of those charlatan who is so narcissistic the outline of his image in his minds eye amkes it undetectable because of the brillance of his so-called religious after glow. Some of the comments here from certain individuals mirror itellectual enlightenment on the level of a “Jim Jones” style of religious and political oratory which captured the weak minded into a full scale kool-aid drinking contest while throwing tax money at the governmenmt as if this is a patriotic duty. Complete and utter hogwash. This kind of thinking is why we are about to exceed 20 trillion dollars in national debt.Eventually when the money does run out, you can slip into your dressing room pull on your neat little uniform with the Red China star on the breast lapel and eplets, all the while admiring your choices in the outline of the same mirror shadow of Wallis’s reflection only to see what you had is gone forever.If you had paid just a little attention when your history professor outlined this section in class you would have a grasp of the founding principles and motivations of our founders and why it was so important to believe in something greater than yourself.This country was founded on the principles of indidvidual freedoms guaranteed so as a collective of states we would stand with each other and defend our Constitution aainst those who would try to change and infect our liberties and freedoms. Glenn Beck is trying to calrify for those who are blinded by the selfish socilaist ideology of total destruction of the individual and the rights protected by the Constitution, Try reading the Declaration of Independence for some helpful insight as to why we became the United States of America.