Israeli despair for peace

By Abraham Cooper and Harold BrackmanSimon Wiesenthal Center It may not be fashionable, but just for a moment look through … Continued

By Abraham Cooper and Harold Brackman
Simon Wiesenthal Center

It may not be fashionable, but just for a moment look through the eyes of ordinary Israelis to understand their deep skepticism over demands they make sweeping new concessions for “peace”–on top of those they have already made by turning over administrative control of much of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority and unilaterally withdrawing from Hamas-run Gaza. After 3,300 rockets were fired from Hamas into Israeli communities during 2008 alone, the IDF belatedly responded with a military operation last winter targeting Hamas’ terrorist infrastructure. Confronted by an enemy that dressed its fighters in street clothes while deploying “human shields” on rooftops to protect terrorist assets, Israel’s soldiers tried but sometimes failed to prevent civilians from being caught in the crossfire. Every innocent death is a tragedy, but compared to the thousands of French killed during the Allied breakout from Normandy or the hundreds upon hundreds of civilians killed as “collateral damage” during current U.S. predator drone attacks in the Af-Pak region, the IDF clearly succeeded in minimizing civilian deaths in terrorist-controlled Gaza.

Yet what has been the reaction to Israel’s defense of itself against Hamas whose founding Charter cites the genocidal Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a blueprint for wiping the Jewish state from the map? Not sympathy for Israeli families living in hamlets and towns rendered unlivable by incessant bombardment. Not understanding for the survival imperative of defeating terrorism. Not praise for a military operation that, among other things, freed Fatah prisoners from probable execution in Hamas’ torture chambers. Instead, Israel suffers the fast-tracking by the United Nations of the so-called Goldstone Commission Report whose precooked conclusions condemn the Jewish state for “crimes against humanity” and “war crimes” while intentionally turning a blind eye to Hamas’ genocidal intent against Israel and its You Tube boasts of deploying women and children civilians as “human shields.” To add injury to insult, the UN and the anti-Israel chorus of NGOs remain mum as Hamas–with Iran’s help–sets the stage for the next conflict by rearming with missiles that can now easily reach Tel Aviv.

Israelis listen carefully to their designated “peace partner” President Mahmoud Abbas’ pronouncements in Arabic as he bids up Palestinian extremists to see who can scream loudest demanding Israel’s leaders be tried as “war criminals” by the International Criminal Court in the Hague. Meanwhile, they tune in to Palestinian Television as it abets a culture of denial against their Jewish neighbors. Elite Palestinian intellectuals like PLO Executive Council Member Saleh Rafat take to the airwaves and publications to serially deny that Jews have any historic link with Jerusalem and accuse them of stealing Palestinian “cuisine, clothing, and architecture” while allegedly plotting to destroy the Al Aqsa Mosque by tunneling under the Temple Mount–a sacred piece of real estate currently controlled by the Muslim Religious Authority, the Wakf. These phony accusations climax with stone throwing, Mololtov cocktails, and threats of a new Intifada to thwart a non-existent plot by Jews to defile Islam’s third holiest site.

It wasn’t always like this. In 1165, Judaism’s greatest philosopher, physician Moses Maimonides, managed to pay a visit to the Temple Mount and pray at the Western Wall–an event commemorated by Jews and remembered till this day. But it would be another twenty years , until Sultan Saladin could promise that he would end for all time the policy of the Christian Crusaders to exclude Jews from the Holy City. Rooted in the Koran, Moslem recognition of the Jews’ sacred connection to Jerusalem and its holy sites dates back to the Caliph Omar in the seventh century and extends all the way up to 1924 when the Supreme Muslim Council’s guide to Al-Haram Al- Sharif (The Temple Mount) declared: “It’s identity with the site of Solomon’s Temple is beyond dispute.” This declaration would be repeated annually until 1953! Israelis can only hope that–someday soon–Palestinians will accept and absorb the real history of Jerusalem: not the new fabricated fantasy.

A few days ago, Israelis– Left, Right, and Center–could only shake their heads at the firestorm that greeted U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for the unforgivable sin of rejecting the conventional wisdom that Israel, and Israel alone, is responsible for obstructing Mideast peace. She instead publicly praised Prime Minister Netanyahu’s unprecedented decision to issue a moratorium of building permits as a good will gesture meant to restart Israeli-Palestinian negotiations leading to implementation of “the two state solution.”

Having none of it was Palestinian President Abbas whose spokesman indignantly declared that both President Obama and Secretary Clinton had been “unmasked” as puppets of Israel.

Jerusalem may yet re-emerge as the venue for the three great Abrahamic religions to discover common ground. But this won’t happen until Christians, Jews, and decent Muslims stand up to the current politicizing and perversion of its history. Current Palestinian falsifications of the past–including fantasies about a Judenrein Jerusalem–are no foundation to renew David’s–and Saladin’s–vision of the Holy City as a beacon of peace and tolerance.

Until Palestinians teach their children to respect the permanent and legitimate presence of their Jewish neighbors, no bullying from UN-approved kangaroo courts or arm twisting from “friends of peace” can create the facts on the ground for Israel’s (not so) silent majority to make any more of those one-sided “painful concessions for peace.”

Rabbi Abraham Cooper is the associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center; Dr. Harold Brackman, a historian, is a consultant to the Center.

  • ccnl1

    A good start to the road for peace would be to give up the silly notion that Jews are god’s chosen people and that the OT is mostly fiction and Israel has no historic claims on the land. (ditto for the Islamic claims for the same land). The following should help:Abraham founder/father of three major religions was either the embellishment of the lives of three different men or a

  • whistling

    Does this idiot rabbi REALLY thinkthe truly stupid story the Israelis have put out for years? The Poor Jews want soooo much not to take over thethey were SOOOO kind in Gaza, none of this phorphrous bombs for childn…and the stories of cluster bombs for the children of Lebanon were just stuff, too.And it runs under the headline of Israeli Despair.”They REALLY do think the world is dumb.PS. The Jews started taking oover hte west bank before they’d eally movedin. The Stern Gana, Irgun, the whole bit.And to this day. And we’re supposed to swallow this stuff.The World Is Fed Up. It Has to Stop, and it will. History affirms.

  • ripvanwinkleincollege

    In 1967, there were zero Israelis living on the West Bank and today there are over 200,000. Another hundred thousand live around land permanently annexed by Israel in or adjacent to Jerusalem.

  • kjohnson3

    “But this won’t happen until Christians, Jews, and decent Muslims stand up to the current politicizing and perversion of its history.”It also won’t happen until all parties stop making the little jibes that show their real feelings about where blame lies.The suggestion here that all Christians and Jews are “decent” but only some Muslims are reflects precisely the kind of attitude that repeatedly undercuts the possibility of peace in the Middle East.It’s a small thing, but it speaks volumes. For shame, Rabbi Cooper and Dr. Brackman.

  • michael_ah_oleary

    Israel complains about the outcome of the Goldstone report. That complaint is based on the fact and the reality that Israel made a political decision not to participate in the Goldstone report process. It is a bit like being charged with an offence in court and not turning up to defend yourself. Crying afterwards about the process is highlighting the fact that Israel made the wrong choice.Also relying on 5,000 year old books and God’s word to take over someone else’s land – please in this day and age, it makes no rational sense to sput such “logic2 or fairy tales.

  • deanschaff

    Of course the Jews are God’s chosen people, just ask ‘em! Oh, and they put it in writing,too! Too bad literacy isn’t as impressive as it was in ancient times.

  • utopico24

    After 3,300 rockets were fired from Hamas into Israeli communities during 2008 alone, the IDF belatedly responded with a military operation last winter targeting Hamas’ terrorist infrastructure. It looks that the writers of this article are biased. They forgot that Israel is ocupping Palestina by military force. So attacks by paletinians are legitimate. It is like partisans in occupied Italy blow a Nazi convoy. The case is similar.

  • codexjust1

    I find it more than a little shocking that the authors would engage in such moral equivalency as to compare “operation cast lead at everyone” to the Allied efforts to liberate Europe from the Nazi yoke. Reading drek like this, I too despair of all peace efforts. But as Yeats wrote, “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are filled with passionate intensity…”

  • patrick3

    The pogrom against the Palestinian people and the lies used to justify it are blights on Israel and saying so is just an echo of that ancient, oft-repeated plea for the people of Israel to return to the path of righteousness. When (Ahab, the leader of Israel) saw Elijah, he said to him, “Is that you, you troubler of Israel?””I have not made trouble for Israel,” Elijah replied. “But you and your father’s family have. You have abandoned the LORD’s commands and have followed the Baals.”

  • Farnaz1Mansouri1

    Gentlemen:I have always greatly respected the Wiesenthal Center’s work to combat racism against all peoples. I continue to wonder at the fact that Simon Weisenthal and a few other Jews were alone among those seeking justice for the genocided Roma (“Gypsies”), who, by the way, were Roman Catholic.That said, I strongly believe that future “negotiations” would be pointless and that it is high time for the US to do what the Israeli people want, viz, get out of Israel’s face. I’m speaking of the people, not the government.Had the Palestinians not attacked Sharon on the Temple Mount/Dome of the Rock, not begun another intifada, Palestine would, by now, have been a state for years. Israel had negotiatied with the US supported Chairman Arrafat in the midst of terrorist attacks, occasionally several times per week, which he was obviously orchestrating. Yet somehow the Israeli government, perhaps, because the people so longed for peace, managed to deceive them. The people are much less naive now; efforts to keep information from them have been less successful. This very left-leaning country swung sharply to the right. Netanyahu won over the enormously popular Livni. Although the left remains, it cannot swing the moderates. Every day there is another development that saps hope, whether it be shiploads of arms, more rocket attacks, or something else.Moreover, in addition to the Abbas problems you name, there is corruption, the inability of Abbas to prevent Hamas soldiers from firing on his troops. There is no one with whom to negotiate; there never was, and Israelis now know this.At present, we “give” Israel 2.7 billion per annum, which, as you know, is a fraction of their GNP. In exchange for this “gift,” we force them to sell weapons to dangerous nations, among them, Egypt, which then sells them to Palestinians to use against Israeli Jews, Protestants, Muslims, Catholics, Buddhists, et al. Israel, as you know, is a very diverse society.Continues

  • esthermiriam

    It is important for all sides to imagine the truth of the other, but this essay is a disgrace to the notion of dialogue about faith here, just as is Wiesenthal Center’s ctd effort to build its museum in East Jerusalem in a location that will cause anger and conflict for years to come:

  • mansour112

    It is a shame that these people of a center against the brutal racism of the nazi become themselfes advocates of the brutal racism against the palestinians.Remember that all people have equal rights and no one should claim that he has more rights than the others because God gave him these rights

  • stephenrhymer

    Soemtimes you just don’t know where to begin.The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was proven to be a bogus document years ago.It’s time for Jews to stop playing the “everybody hates us” card.They are not the only victims of genocide -just the ones with the best PR.They use thier faith like so many others, to justify their demands, their manipulations, their actions.This is not to say the Palestinians are not equally complicit in this Middle Eastern mess. They must assuredly are.Both sides are like two children in a sandbox fighting over the same pile of sand.Neither will concede to the other. The fight, like so many other regional disputes around the world will not end because we want it to. It will take generations to work hard to undo the sins and crimes of their collective fathers.Shame on both of their houses.Neither acts within the tenants of their faith.Israel is wrong – Palestine is wrong.

  • Farnaz1Mansouri1

    Gentlemen:Assuming you have read my memo, please read this thread. I am hopeful that no comments will be deleted, certain, given past experience, that more of this kind will be posted here.If you have any doubts about the value of those for whom Israelis have died gathering intelligence, further compromising itself in the region, scrutinize these posts.Again, it is time for the US to leave Israel alone. The Israeli people, whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or other, do NOT WANT the US in its face, do not need US “blood money” as one Sudanese Israeli put it to me.If you want to help anyone, start with the three million exiled Jews from Middle Eastern nations. You cannot undo the harm done to us. You cannot change the fact that, in my case, when a child, I witnessed our family friend, Ismael, dragged from our home by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and murdered in front of me. His blood spattered on my clothes.Get us exiled three million our property, get us security, get us the right to return to Iran, Tunesia, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Syria, etc.LET ISRAEL ALONE. The Israelis don’t want the US, are beginning to hate us. We pay taxes. We have a highly developed security apparatus. The US government can protect Americans from terrorism, gather intelligence All By Itself.

  • redant

    Given the history of the Jews, why can Israel never bring itself to say to the Palestinians: “We understand how you feel. We’ve been there ourselves. We were desperate. We were almost wiped out because we had no land of our own. We understand that you were displaced, and we recognized that you too need and deserve a land of your own. Will you let us help you achieve that? What compromises, what sharing, what can we do to bring you some justice too?”

  • i_go_pogo

    What I don’t understand is why the Netanyahu government is quibbling over the difference between 99% of a freeze and 100% of a freeze. They should just agree to the freeze, complete and total, but contingent on some reciprocation, such as recognition of Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state with a certain period of time. If the quid pro quo doesn’t materialize, then go back to building. It seems to me they are willing to lose the war in order to avoid losing a meaningless battle.

  • playa_brotha

    As far as i remember, Israel is the only nation in the 21st century to be accused of committing war crimes. These two fools need to shut up. Israel is not the innocent victim here.

  • Farnaz1Mansouri1

    playa_brotha:As far as i remember, Israel is the only nation in the 21st century to be accused of committing war crimes.But one does have to wonder why the US which has genocided nearly two million people has not been accused of war crimes. Kind of frightening, really.

  • ccnl1

    A good start to the road for peace would be realize that the Jews are not god’s chosen people and that the OT is mostly fiction and that Judaism has no historic claims on the land. (ditto for the Muslim claims for the same land).

  • Farnaz1Mansouri1

    ccnl1 wrote:A good start to the road for peace would be realize that the Jews are not god’s chosen people and that the OT is mostly fiction and that Judaism has no historic claims on the land. (ditto for the Muslim claims for the same land).From the countless Jews I’ve known from all over the world, from rabbis, academics, I have never heard anything like this.I, therefore, leave it to CCNL, one of the Catholics’ God’s people to explain the last two thousand years following the barbarous activities of his Roman ancestors.As for us, the US can gather intelligence in the region All by Itself.

  • crmla2fromIsrael

    Allah is our goal, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution, the Jihad our path and death for the sake of Allah the loftiest of our wishes.” In a leading article entitled “Industry of Death,” which was to become famous, Hassan al-Banna explained to a wider public his concept of jihad-a concept in which the term Industry of Death denotes not something horrible but an ideal. He wrote: “to a nation that perfects the industry of death and which knows how to die nobly, God gives proud life in this world and eternal grace in the life to come.” Hamas it is a movement that advocates Jihad as al Qaeda.

  • crmla2fromIsrael

    95% of contemporary Muslims are exposed to anti-Semitic teachings. every Muslim learns chapters from the Quran that those who have incurred divine wrath are the Jews, and those who are astray are Christians. What is more problematic is that the average person learns this chapter and its interpretation between the ages of 5-8. And we know that things learned at this stage of life become ingrained, almost to the point of being in one’s DNA.

  • crmla2fromIsrael

    Samuel Huntington writes it so aptly: Islam has bloody borders. Israel is located precisely on that border. This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam’s territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia. Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War. The war against Israel is not a war against Israel. It is a war against the West.. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of the west. If there would have been no Israel, Islam-ic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.If Israel were, God for-bid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West. It would not mean that Muslims would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept the values of the West. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of the problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel, they can get everything. There-fore, it is not that the West has a stake in Israel. It is Israel.

  • crmla2fromIsrael

    When the shahid meets his Maker, all his sins are forgiven from the first gush of blood. He is exempted from the torments of the grave; he sees his place in Paradise, he is shielded from the great shock, and marries 72 Dark Eyed. He is a heavenly advocate for 70 members of his family, on his head is placed a crown of honor, one stone of which is worth more than all there is in this world.”Palestinian Authority leaders and media have repeatedly encouraged young Palestinians to seek shahada – death for Allah, using a variety of persuasive tactics. In sermons, discussions and music videos still broadcast on PA TV, young people are indoctrinated to pursue ‘martyrdom’ for its “sweetness” and the rewards it brings. This latest example is another reinforcement of the repeated message; romantic and utopic portrayals of the heavenly rewards of martyrdom.It is an indication of how the PA uses these traditions to promote its war against Israel.It does so by reinforcing the lesson for Palestinian youth that death is not to be feared; rather, they should actively seek shahada as a duty and for its many rewards.

  • crmla2fromIsrael

    As part of its promotion of suicide terrorism, the PA has repeatedly taught its population the Islamic tradition that shahids (people who dies for Allah) will receive numerous heavenly rewards, including 72 (or 70 according to other sources) “Dark Eyed” Maidens of Paradise.These teachings have been seen in numerous televised religious sermons, as well as in a music video broadcast hundreds of times on PA TV during the last three years, which shows a shahid arriving in Paradise and being greeted by the MaidensThere is even evidence that Palestinian men have seen this goal of marrying the 72 Maidens as reason to aspire death as a shahid. In a TV broadcast, a Palestinian mother of a man named Abdallah, who died in clashes with Israel, explains her personal acceptance of her son’s death as a shahid, because it was his wish to marry the “Dark Eyed” Maidens of Paradise rather than an earthly woman.One of the early sources for this Islamic tradition of the 72 Maidens, according to the official PA daily, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, is cited in an a literary analysis of Muhammad’s language. A Hadith [prophetic tradition] describes the rewards of the “prophets, the righteous and the Sshahids”: “[Muhammad said in the Hadith explaining the words of the Koran promising 'comfortable dwellings in the Garden of Eden,' There is] a palace of pearls in the Garden of Eden and in it seventy courts of ruby… And in each court [there are] seventy houses of green emerald stone. In every house, seventy beds. On every bed, seventy mattresses of every color and on every mattress a woman.””The style of the Prophet [in this Hadith] … is intended to fill Muslims with desire for the Garden of Eden … to be worthy of it, because… only three dwell there: prophets, righteous and shahids.”

  • crmla2fromIsrael

    On the second anniversary of the Hamas military takeover of Gaza, PA (Fatah) TV broadcast a public Fatah event held in the presence of senior Fatah leaders, which focused on intense vilification of Hamas,Warning – the video contains graphic material. Whoever has a weak heart it is not recommended to see this video,This included the showing of a graphic video of Hamas members brutally beating a Fatah member in Gaza. The screams of the victim can be heard in the video, along with others calling “Allahu Akbar” (Allah is Great). The Fatah moderator introduced the video with the following words:

  • crmla2fromIsrael

    70% of Jordan’s residents are Palestinians, so the Palestinians in Judea and Samaria must return to their homeland whichi is Jordan . Egypt should take over Gaza and take responsibility for the terrorists and barbarians there, as it was before the Six Day War. I’m sure within a few days there will not be a singel terrorist, because when the Arabs slaughter Arabs, there is no any human rights organization to interfere and write reports. This is the best solution for the Middle East.

  • coloradodog

    As long as Arabs hate Jews and vice versa, this is all mandible masturbation. One can only hope, through education and vacating the uncompromising nature of their fore-bearers, future generations will overcome their Abrahamic religious agenda to exterminate the other.

  • motherof3

    “In 1967, there were zero Israelis living on the West Bank and today there are over 200,000.”And why do you suppose that is? Hint: It’s called ethnic cleansing. In 1948 there were thousands of Jews living in “the West Bank”, and had been for 3000 years. When Jordan conquered “the West Bank” it expelled all Jews. That area has been devoid of Jews for only 19 years of 3000.Isn’t it odd that all the grave markers that Jordan dug up and used to build latrines and to pave roads had Hebrew writing on them? I didn’t know Arabs used to speak and read and write Hebrew, before they adopted Arabic in 1948.Oh, but I keep forgetting: ethnic cleansing, when practiced against Jews, is right and just.Another funny thing: What kind of name for an area is “the West Bank”? It was meant as a temporary name till a lasting one could be dreamed up. For centuries it was called Judea and Samaria, but Jordan couldn’t keep calling land it had illegally invaded, conquered, and annexed by a name that clearly shows the Jewish people’s claim to it. (Hint: Why are Jews called Jews? Because we come from Judea. Why is Judea called Judea? Because it is the land of Judah, one of Jacob’s sons.)The fact is that Arabs want a vast and unbroken Arab land across the Middle East. They can’t stand it that there is one tiny non-Arab spot smack dab in the middle of it. Israel is the size of New Jersey, but that’s too much for the Arabs. And it’s too much for other Israel bashers too. There is no spot on the earth small enough to which to exile us, for those who choose to hate Jews.

  • coloradodog

    How can Palestine continue to lob missiles into Israel and expect the rest of the world to believe their agenda is peace?More delusional, uncompromising stupidity representative of religious fanatics of all flavors.

  • Minka

    Read Palestineremembered.org, start at the very beginning of this outrageous land grab and consider who started it.

  • paultaylor1

    A simple message to Israel:Don’t use Hamas’ rockets to justify your despair. Not when you’re bringing it upon yourself. You refuse to come to terms with the Palestinians, because you will not end your expansion into the disputed territory, or bargain with what you have taken.If you want to stop the rockets; if you want to live in peace with the Palestinians, and the region; if you want respect from the world of nations; if you want a moral rationale; you can have it all. A treaty, an accord, won’t be perfect–there will continue to be challenges–but it will be better, much better, than what you have now. And you can stop feeling sorry for yourself, at last.

  • brendan_holleran

    I watched the coverage of the so-called War on Gaza everyday on Al Jazeera. The Israelis warned the civilian population to leave their homes on many accasions during those days of their merciless assault but the Gazans had nowhere to flee to. The writers of this article must be heartless individuals to say that the IDF (which is a misnomer if ever there was one) “clearly succeeded in minimising civilian deaths” when so many little children were killed. Richard Goldstone is a man of integrity who has chosen justice over partisanship and if he accuses Israeli armed forces of deliberately targeting civilians as he has, then there needs to be an independent enquiry.

  • RealityCheck28

    It is amazing how one little article can bring out so many anti semites. The postings here belong on a neo nazi site. The attacks on Israel as being greedy and stealing land are just more of the same old anti semitic diatribes we are used to hearing. So here’s a thought, why don’t one of you anti Israeli posters open the bible or the koran and read about Israel as a country 2000 years ago. Get real, its our land that was stolen not some made up bunch of arabs that in the 20th cetury want to call themselves palestinians whatever that is. But aside from the historical inaccurancies, the bottom line is that it is arab rejectionism that prevents peace in the middle east not Israel. In fact, Israel made offers to Arafat and Abbas to return 99% of the west bank and a portion of East Jerusalem and that wasn’t good neough. After 60 years of a stalemate the arabs refuse to budge one inch. Their demand for the right of return is so insane that it defies any response other than get theraphy. As for the Goldstone Report, I read it and it is a disgrace as Goldstone is. it devotes 5 paragraphs to the 8,000 rockets fired by hamas into Israel. It relies on heresay reports that were given with Hamas reprsentitives present, not one report would be admissable in a court of law. The suggestion that it is anything more than a tool of the Muslim UN to harass Israel is deranged. I am quite confident his post will bring some nifty anti semitic comments so bring them on. We are used to it, we hear everyday on arabic TV and radio. But before you do, get the history part correct. Your opinions are yours even if they are biased, anti semeitcc and build on lies. I guess ignorance is bliss for you guys

  • onestring

    Israel’s population is controlled by radical fundamentalists. The Hasidic community is just as anti-social, anti-progress, and just as stone-age-minded as Hamas and Islamic Jihaad are. Probably just as hate motivated as all other fundamentalist groups are, too.When Israel’s population rejects their leadership’s fundamentalist/tribalist modus operendi in favor of moderation and political solutions that allow peace and progress in society there can be peace in the middle east.Not before then.I’m Jewish and stating the obvious. Don’t call me a nazi.

  • onestring

    …And furthermore the COMMUNISTS who invented Zionism can be blamed for the entire mess today because they HAVE INDEED APPROPRIATED PALESTINIAN HOMES, WEST BANK LAND, AND PLACED SETTLEMENTS IN ARABF NEIGHBORHIIDS IN ORDER TO DOMINATE THE LANDSCAPE.Golda Mier famously (and in disgusting un-jewish fashion) said “There are no Palestinians”. She also insultingly claimed that Palestinian mothers favored death for their children when she stated that war would end when Palestinian mothers preferred the lives of their children over war.Anyone who says otherwise is simply not facing the truth, facts, and recorded history…or is an outright liar for personal gain, or out of hatred.I’m Jewish – I just refuse the cool-aid because I’m AMERICAN. Israel is behaving in very UN-Jewish ways.Keep your hate to yourself.

  • RealityCheck28

    One string, so you are a self hating Jew; we have many of you to laugh at. You are so progressive that you progressed right past the truth. What Golda Meir said was that when palestinian mothers learn to love their children more than they hate isrelis, there will be peace. Whats wrong with that. its true. The Palestinians and arabs as a whole support suicide bombers, they thrive on a culture of death. Radical Islamists time and time again extol the virtues of death over life. Those are the nut jobs you defend. They also fire rockets into schoolyards and hospitals but do you care, no. Its ok to you because Israeal is always there to blame. You live in a fantasy land where if Israel defends itself it is an act of provocation. Hezbollah and Hamas have ammased huge asernals of rockets and are ready to fire away and to you israel is the problem. What koolaid are you drinking?As for Hasidic Jews being a danger, show me one act of terror from a hasidic jew, so to compare them to the fanatical arabs blowing up men, women and children with no regard to who they are is disgusting. You are a nazi if you equate the two because arab fanantics kill without regard to who they are killing and hasidic jews harm no one. Just admit the truth, you are a self hating jew who is ashamed to be jewish. You want acceptance and you will never get it because you won’t stand up for it. I am proud to be Jewish and I marvel at the contribution we have made to make the world a better place. And G-d bless the IDF who is the most moral army in the world. It is scum like Goldstone that seeks to say otherwise but the world knows the real truth. The Europeans pay lip service to muslim UN demands to keep their own muslim populations under control not because they support arab causes. They are just sick of seeing their people blown up by sucicde bombers for no reason. It is 60 year since Israel was established in the modern era and not one atab leader has made a real offer for Peace. Go watch arab tv and listen to the speechs they make in arabic and everyday is another day of incitement where they teach their children, using micky mouse, to hate jews. Those are the people you are defending. In reality, you are worse than a nazi.

  • forrest3

    The key fact is that, in the areas encompassing Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza, there are approximately 12 million people – 6 million Jews and 6 million Muslims. Everyone seems to ignore this basic fact.Muslims insist on arguments that the Jews move away. Jews insist on arguments that the Muslims move away. Neither will happen.At the same time, the current situation, in which 6 million Jews essential rule over themselves and also over 6 million Muslims is highly unstable and fraught with peril. The truth is that Israel’s ruling over the entire area for the last half-century has not proved productive of peace. To the contrary, extremist Jewish religious and nationalistic groups in Israel have caused Israel to adopt policies harmful to the interest to the Muslim population in Israel and in the territories. Most of these policies are blatantly intended to marginalize the Muslims and also, in many cases, to push them off the land. The worst examples are the Israeli settlers, but there are many other Israeli policies that also serve this purpose. These policies have only served to radicalize the Muslims, who have moved from airline hijackings to suicide bombers.There are many factors suggesting that this entire area be placed under one state: the natural border (which obviously extends from the sea to the Jordan river) and the natural resources, particularly water, are two vital indicators of such a solution. However a state with 6 million Jews and 6 million Muslims obviously could not be a “Jewish” state. Because having a Jewish state is absolutely essential to one of the sides, the solution of a single country will not work.Still, it is not productive to insist that the Muslims agree to a Jewish state until the Muslims are allowed to see an overall solution that also addresses their legitimate concerns as well. The 6 million Jews are not going away. And neither are the 6 million Muslims.

  • ShalomFreedman

    I would add one further source of disquietude if not despair felt by many Israelis. It is the outpouring of anti- Semitic hatred from around the world against Israel. This is manifest even on ‘talkback’ sites like this one. The sheer ignorance and stupidity combined with the absolute viciousness of many of these haters is sad and difficult to rationally make sense of.

  • anidjart

    I believe we should leave the comments to the people that live in Israel. I surely would not like to live my life with a neighbor that it is always trying to kill me and destroy my family.Throughout the history of Israel and the Arabs living in the nation of Israel, we have heard about peace. There has been no peace. All I have seen is Israel always have to give something for nothing.

  • rick22407

    Bibi will not freeze settlements and Abu Mazen will not enter peace talks until settlements are frozen. The most important thing to discuss in any Israeli/Palestinian peace talks is the rate at which Israel will dismantle all existing settlements outside the Green Line and return to inside its pre-1967 Green Line borders. This is absolutely impossible as long as settlements continue to expand. The most important thing to discuss in any proposed international peace talks is the sanctions to impose on the Israelis until they are 100% back inside the Green Line. An airtight oil and natural gas embargo being the most effective.

  • ThomasBaum

    Solange1You wrote, “I have already submitted my response.If you wait for “approval”, you will probably wait forever.What you probably need to do is break it up into pieces and send it. There is a limit on the length of any one sent piece, exactly what, I don’t know. Whenever one of my postings has been “held for approval”, I divide it up and it goes thru fine.Take care, be ready.Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

  • rick22407

    Say Hey AKA K Kelley…I’m still here…looks like its just us chickens…