Michael Vick’s Contrition

Rarely does the arena of sports provide a test for moral thinking, but the signing of disgraced football quarterback Michael … Continued

Rarely does the arena of sports provide a test for moral thinking, but the signing of disgraced football quarterback Michael Vick to a contract with the Philadelphia Eagles has provoked more discussion about morality than about the Wildcat offense. Yes, on the sports show DNL for Philadelphia fans (I am one), some say “Never!” and some salivate about new options for the Eagles in the red zone. But the ever-wise St. James of Chester grad, Ray Didinger, reflected a Catholic take on the issue: defining the meaning and the application of forgiveness.

The memorized answer of the old Baltimore Catechism of pre-Vatican Catholicism is somehow front and center. It says forgiveness should be given when one repents, confesses to the evil and makes restitution. In certain of the Evangelical and Pentecostal churches that I have visited each of those steps is performed before the faith community. (This is close to the practice of the early Church.) But we Catholics add that the penitent must also: 1) have a firm purpose of amendment; and 2) avoid the near occasions of sin. These are steps that take place after the expression of contrition. Etymology is some help here: the Latin verb from which the English word ‘contrition’ is derived means “grinding down.”

Let’s be clear: we Catholics have an obligation to forgive. That’s because of the Golden Rule principle contained in the Our Father: “Forgive us our trespasses and we forgive those who trespass against us.” It is hard in the case of Michael Vick. He organized a dog-fighting kennel and ran a ring of this outlawed “sport.” Animals were tortured to make them viciously aggressive; injured beasts were cruelly killed. Vick’s offense was not something “red hot,” like a crime of passion committed in a moment of fury or desire. This was a cold and calculating abuse of innocent creatures of God. I would classify Vick as one “depraved.”

While there are different technical definitions of depravity, I like to use the comparison to losing feeling in one’s arm and hand. Just as in a physical sense the person is “sick” because there is no normal feeling in a part of the body, moral depravity is to lose feeling in one’s conscience about the suffering of other creatures. The absence of a moral sense about the animals that were so abused under his eye and his desire to profit from their suffering falls under my understanding of depravity.

Yet he should be forgiven: that is, if he measures up to the post-confessional, post-prison stage of admitting his guilt and goes onto the Catholic provisions of “firm purpose of amendment” and “avoiding the near occasions of sin.” I think that will be the harder task for Vick. Now that the quarterback is free from prison, the entourage of fortune-seekers and hangers-on are waiting to resume their blood-sucking of Vick’s time and treasure. Will his effort to change his ways overcome this temptation to fall back into old patterns? Of course, as Hall of Fame sportswriter Ray Didinger has insisted, “it’s too early to know.”

Eagles’ owner Jeffery Laurie went to so far as to insist that the primary purpose of the signing was to signal the team’s commitment to social change. He said that the positive value of a repentant Michael Vick doing community work and campaigning against the abuse of animals was the ultimate persuasion to his approval of the signing. The emphasis on the social dimension, it might be said, reflects a long-standing Jewish tradition of looking at “the bigger picture.” For Laurie, the Eagles already have a solid reputation for relying on character as a trait for their athletes; now they move into a stage where that righteousness can be transferred to a sinner, badly in need of better role models.

But ultimately – if you pardon the allusion — the ball is in the hands of Michael Vick. He must evidence what contrition is all about: the “grinding down” of his rough edges so as to become a new and different person. The “act” of contrition is really the “acting out” of contrition.

About

Anthony M. Stevens-Arroyo Anthony M. Stevens-Arroyo is Professor Emeritus of Puerto Rican and Latino Studies at Brooklyn College and Distinguished Scholar of the City University of New York.
  • j3161usa

    There are no exception, regardless of you religious denomination, we are to forgive as Christ forgives. There’s no, I forgive if…… or I forgive provided that….. Michael vick doesn’t have to do headstands or cartwheels to show his repent, all he has to do is pray and ask God for forgiveness. It doesn’t have to be done in front of people (who are sinners themselves) because God knows all and if he is truly repentant, then that all that matters. The question then becomes,if you truly are a christian, then you should forgive micheal vick, no exceptions!

  • laysertag

    I understand the sporting worlds need to have Vick returned to throwing a ball. I do not agree with it. When has any star, or athlete ever put money in your pocket or food on your table?Not me.

  • ORiley

    The question isn’t whether or not Michael should receive forgiveness, or a second chance in life, but should he be allowed back on stage with the NFL (or any other professional sport)?Professional sports are becoming a joke in this country. We now allow felons and drug users to stand alongside the legends and hero’s of the past, sending a message to our youth that it’s OK to be a bum, as long as you can draw a paying crowd.

  • laysertag

    The amount of money spent on one pro footbal team, in one year, would pay for all the people who do not have healthcare. How amazing is that?The money spent on making a single movie, at 400 million dollars, would be better used to by immunizations for the millions of illegals so we don’t all die from diseases they bring into the country.Why do actors and athletes get millions for doing something they profess to love? If they loved it so much then just do it.Try keeping an honest running total of the money you spend for entertainment or sports. Everything, from clothes and stickers, to tickets, and downloads. It might equal enough to have paid for your health insurance the entire season.

  • rainbird

    I DON’T FORGIVE M.Vick, he is a lying scum-bag who didn’t spend nearly enough time in jail.

  • regentrifydc

    “Rarely does the arena of sports provide a test for moral thinking…”Are you kidding?!?!?! Professional sports in our culture is nearly totally corrupting. Sports figures routinely flaunt even the most elementary, minimal standards of behavior we expect from any other humans. The greed of team owners and overwhelming desire of fans to win at any and all cost are a corrosive and repugnant mix.As for Vick – do any of his horribly tortured dogs get a “second chance?”

  • Utahreb

    “Words without deeds” – I am so tired of hearing that Vick served 24 months in jail and has paid for his crimes – yes, crimes – not just one, but torture, drowning, electrocuting the dogs, lying when first questioned – and he only served 18 months of his sentence.Sure – let him play and maybe, just maybe, the defensive line will get to him and put him in a world of hurt and he will understand what pain really is.

  • gbui

    In this country, we’re allowed to shoot and kill deers, to kill bulls as sports and when a person decided to use bulldogs to entertain himself, we came down on him extremely hard. Sure he’s guilty as charged and the man had admitted his crime, but I can see a lot of you here use Big words as torture, killing…but never use them in the same sentence as killing bulls. For me personally, I don’t see the difference, I only think MAYBE b/c dogs are considered smarter that no one can prove perfectly.

  • drzimmern1

    I think a better employment for Vick would be to help animals in some way. It is clear that in the case of Michael Vick and O J Simpson (and others I won’t list)they are “forgiven” by those who were never injured by them. Interesting. Playing pro sports glorifies and holds the stars up as models and symbols. I question whether or not any excuse can be made to justify, and saying 18 months is enough is ludicrous.

  • ggreenbaum

    There’s an expression in sports that you can only play the teams on your schedule. Well, Vick can only serve the time he was given. He’s done that. Debt to society paid. Time to move on, people, without putting yourself in God’s place and hoping he gets hurt.

  • mslady332004

    First, let me just say the discussions on Micheal Vick has definitely been an heated topic since he was released and how this country has ‘changed’ in the last 100 years. If it had been Tom Brady,Peyton Manning, Tony Romo or Kurt Warner who committed the same crimes, would there be so much heated discussion about this or allowing them to play again in the NFL? Please…..I haven’t ran across any human being yet who can walk on water, so who can ANYONE judge or persecute?

  • ecglotfelty

    As a Christian, the issue for me is not forgiveness. Michael Vick is someone who is worthy of forgiveness, no matter how egregious his crimes. When rainbird says, “Who would Jesus electrocute?” he doesn’t understand that forgiveness is as much a commandment for us as “Thou shalt not murder.” I believe Judas Iscariot, if he had thrown himself before Jesus at the cross, would have been forgiven.My only concern is for Mr. Vick to fall back into old habits. The NFL has too many pressures for uncontrollable behavior and with many people vying for his time and money may undoubtedly bring him back into old habits. While I could forgive a repentant child molester, I wouldn’t put him in a situation that would make it difficult for him by putting him in a classroom of children. Nor would I accept a recovering alcoholic to hang out with his old drinking buddies. As long as Mr. Vick will allow himself to be held accountable, he can survive and ultimately the NFL could be given credit for that. But if he relapses, the NFL/Eagles could be held liable for enabling him.The “Our Father” asks God to “forgive us our sins as we forgive others their sins”, but it also asks to “lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.”

  • maclaura1

    A pig feels pain and suffering equally as a dog. A pig is sentient, social, and like dogs, was taken from their natural wild state, and turned into an economic product, like dogs. A pig screams when frightened, screams when beaten, screams on the way to the kill floor, and screams as brutality is forced upon them by the millions every day in animal auschwitz’s called slaughterhouses.A nation that has no consistant justice system for protecting animals from harm and abuse, can never have a consistant justice system for humans….Vick is a grain of sand on a beach of systems and people who make their livings harming animals. It’s what this empire was built upon.

  • laysertag

    Lets see how repentent Vick is when he has millions of dollars in his bank again. He will be right back to gambling, and thuggery only this time he will be more cautious and his team will do more to keep it hidden. As long as the citizens of this country buy tickets to the coliseum, the games will go on.Modern Football is like the gladiator games of Rome, except now the killing and maiming is done off the field. We are a weak society.

  • tony1964

    I love animals too, BUT what do you think a Football is made of!???

  • forgetthis

    I don’t have anything to forgive Michael Vick for. He didn’t cut my head off.

  • jromaniello

    I’ll believe it, when I see it. If he is so remorseful for his actions, I would like to see him work with the Humane Society. I would be glad to see him donate a portion of his salary to PETA, or the ASPCA, or the Humane Society, who receive little funding as it is.He has a golden opportunity here to prove that he has truly turned over a new leaf. When I see him pay it forward for the second chance he has so generously been granted by the Eagles, then I will reconsider my stance on him and his despicable deeds.

  • tony1964

    Defense, Defense,arf arf arf !!!

  • ccnl1

    Dog lovers/owners/”kenneleers” cross-breed and inbreed dogs to the point that they range anywhere from one of the most vicious animals on planet earth to hairless wimps you can hardly seeAnd these same dog “lovers” imprison their “pets” in small pens, and/or And a big “Bravo” for Tony164 for noting how many pigs are slaughtered to make not only skins for footballs but also those hot dogs that most dog “lovers” consume at football games. And the waste from these pigs goes where?? Dog food!!!!

  • askgees

    He’s paid his price move on.

  • kbenston

    First, sports–given its mixture of labor, commodification, marketing, race, gender, and sexuality–ALWAYS presents opportunity for moral reflection and action.Second, while I would suggest that Vick’s case is complicated by (a) contradictory mixtures of law and mores regarding animals, and (b) the hovering of “handlers” around Vick that shrouds any hint of “remorse” in an aura of bad faith, I’d suggest a simple touchstone for anyone wishing to weigh-in on the question of morality and Vick:do you eat meat?If so, you look to yourself: what sanctions your right to judge when you are complicit in the torture and slaughter of over 55 billion animals per year?

  • kbenston

    First, sports–given its mixture of labor, commodification, marketing, race, gender, and sexuality–ALWAYS presents opportunity for moral reflection and action.Second, while I would suggest that Vick’s case is complicated by (a) contradictory mixtures of law and mores regarding animals, and (b) the hovering of “handlers” around Vick that shrouds any hint of “remorse” in an aura of bad faith, I’d suggest a simple touchstone for anyone wishing to weigh-in on the question of morality and Vick:Do you eat meat?If so, you look to yourself: what sanctions your right to judge when you are complicit in the torture and slaughter of over 55 billion animals per year?

  • curtb

    Since Michael Vick has a second chance to be a millionaire after seriously abusing that privilege for the first time, how about spending a big chunk of that money on groups who train dogs to assist the blind, disabled or elderly. The irony of this entire situation is that dogs would be the first to forgive him if he showed them any kindness, no questions asked, no moral judgments made. Dogs are just like that. Sometimes I wonder how superior we humans really are.

  • teehee1

    I agree wholeheartedly with j3161usa. Its not for us to decide if/ how contrite Vick is and therefore whether he’s worthy of our forgiveness or not. Forget what the churches teach – be they Catholic or Evangelica. What does God say? Vick has been convicted and punished by our human legal system. From here on out, God is the only one who knows what’s truly in his heart. Our part is to do as God asks, which is to forgive all.

  • TheDiplomat

    Who cares? He could kill a million dogs, as long as he can still entertain on the football field. That is all that matters. He is not reverend Vick.

  • pofinpa

    put ur whining dogma where the sun does not shine.this guy is a disgrace

  • adolphemenjou

    I think we’re missing the point here:

  • kare1

    Let him play and play often.I hope some defensive back blows through the Phillie line and sacks his behind, oh say 20 or 30 times. I also hope Andy Reid rolls up a newspaper (perferably soiled with dog doodoo) and slaps Vick on the nose every time he throws an interception or screws up a play.I see no contrition in the pre-written statements and no remorse. The only thing better would be so see someone set some dogs on Vick – That I would pay to see.

  • twilson66

    In response to jromaniello who posted at August 17, 2009 12:58 PM:Who the hell are you to suggest such terms upon which Michael Vick should fulfill before “you” grant him forgiveness.I trust you’ve never done anything for which you should ask forgiveness. And by the way, Vick IS working with the Humane Society.The self-righteous pompessness of people like you is sickening and pathetic.

  • askgees

    The question isn’t whether or not Michael should receive forgiveness, or a second chance in life, but should he be allowed back on stage with the NFL (or any other professional sport)?Well maybe it because simplt0ns like you think the sports hero’s from the past we’re perfect. My suggestion is you do a little research. The info’s at you’re finger tips. Quit being stip1d and lazy. Anyone that allows their child to look at these people as role models are simply poor boring people that should have never been allowed to have kids. Be a f%^king parent.

  • tony1964

    Defense,Defense,arf arf arf!!!

  • TheDiplomat

    You don’t put a defrocked molester priest back with children, you don’t put a thief back in a bank and, … you don’t put Michael Vick back in pro ball.

  • What7

    I’m not Catholic,b but I agree with the sentiment expressed in this article.After watching Michael Vick on 60 Minutes last night, I’m not convinced I was watching a contrite man. I saw a man ‘mouthing’ the words he felt he was supposed to say to protect his ability to make millions playing football. His attempt to blame this on the neighborhood he grew up in and the police in that area was pathetic.Then we can start talking about making millions from the fans of football and dogs.We’re watching, MICHAEL!!!!!”

  • NotNowMooky

    If Vick is to be forgiven it must come from the dogs he tortured and butchered. Those dogs are dead so they cannot forgive him. He is unforgivable. His crime, to me, is as bad as child abuse. If he had swung his children against a rock we would not be talking about “forgiveness” we would be talking about death row. That would be OK with me.

  • tonya2800

    We just forgive him, they way the Lord forgives us. Who do we think we are? He confessed his mistake, now let us move forward. He served his time in jail. As far as I am concerened, he owes PETA nothing. We have no right to hold him hostage. Forgive and move on.

  • CalP

    Why should he not be forgiven? As believers, we are asked not to judge; and we believe that Christ’s crucifixion, his one oblation, was and is a full and sufficient sacrifice for the sins of all mankind (past, present and future). We should ask whether Christ would have forgiven him, and if we answer honestly, I believe the answer would be YES; therefore I would suggest that we follow Christ’s example. We do not excuse his actions by forgiving him.

  • jromaniello

    twilson66,I hope your little veneration towards me made you feel better. So, why did you decide to zoom in on me? I was not the only one to say what I said. Many said they would like to see him donate to the Humane society or a program that trains service animals. You really have some pent up anger… may want to see a therapist for that :)

  • norriehoyt

    “How We Can Forgive Michael Vick?”How can we forgive Torquemada and John Paul II?

  • adolphemenjou

    To THEDIPLOMATYour comment:Let’s go with your thinking then: How low is the bar and is there even a bar at all? Suppose Michael Vick, while high on drugs and alcohol and transporting a truckload of dead pitbulls to an Osama Bin Laden appreciation day dogfighting barbeque, runs a stoplight and hits a busload of church group special needs children, killing 40. With good lawyering he gets 6-months and CS. Allow him back in the league? Yes I realize the extremes of the argument, but what crime or level of crime would need to be committed to exclude one from pro ball?Your LOL–don’t toss insults when you haven’t been insulted. Let’s have an adult discussion. I never cared for the Diplomat, one of Chrysler’s more inferior offerings.

  • froggy57

    The hypocrisy of people knows no bounds.

  • TheGreeneyedFury

    I do not believe forgiveness has anything to do with allowing this man to play football and giving him another million dollar salary. Felons, criminals in general, have a difficult time assimilating back into society because 1.) if you have a criminal record you have a difficult time finding a job in the real world and, 2.) Communities shun most criminals. The exception seems to be if you are a professional sports figure…you could do THE most depraved things but you will be forgiven because you can catch a ball, throw a ball, and run fast. The only thing that has ever been unforgivable in pro sports is if you are caught betting against your own team. It is the almighty dollar at work here. Character should be more important but instead we prop up criminals because they are exciting to watch play a game. Disgusting.Vick isn’t sorry for his crimes…he’s sorry he got caught. All of these things he’s been doing for the cameras is feigned…there is nothing genuine about it. He was told if he danced for the cameras, if he played by the rules they would sign him which means he would go on making millions. He’s doing what he has to and there is no contrition in that…it is an act of ATTRITION! His motivation is so that he doesn’t lose more money and his fame…it is greed and narcissism at it’s finest.

  • EdgewoodVA

    GBUI: I think I get your point, but I’d like to share some of what I’ve learned. You state that “In this country, we’re allowed to shoot and kill deers, to kill bulls as sports and when a person decided to use bulldogs to entertain himself, we came down on him extremely hard.” First off, a good hunter (and I do not support hunting, personally) will supposedly make a quick, clean shot and not torture the animal. Second: most animal lovers don’t approve of bull-fighting any more than they approve of dog-fighting–both are cruel, calculated and extended torture, both physically and emotionally, for the sake of “entertainment.” Third: the reptilian brain knows how to survive, the limbic brain (usually associated with warm-blooded animals) deals with survival and emotions, and the neo-cortical brain relates to survival, emotions, and some degree of meta-cognition–analysis and reasoning. So many people have argued about the “value” of a creature based on what the animal might/might not know or feel. I’m sick and tired of them dismissing animal cruelty based on a hierarchy of species that ignores the fact that ALL living beings can experience distress on some level. The hard-asses who feel so superior to other species should take a few biology lessons, right? GBUI, I applaud your efforts.

  • lufrank1

    While you are at it, forgive Hitler, Himmler, Tojo, etc.Madness!

  • dscobie77

    I hope God will forgive Michael Vick.

  • TheGreeneyedFury

    To all of you calling people concerned about the dogs’ welfare in these fights hypocrites because they wouldn’t be concerned about a human who was fighting…the difference is the human made a choice; the animal’s choice was made for them. So give it a rest. The only thing you are worried about is losing the tiniest bit of entertainment value in football and you use your religion to find ways to justify your support of him which makes you even more despicable than Vick. His dogs had no choice…he forced them into those situations and if they didn’t comply he set them on fire while they were still alive, hooked their ears up to jumper cables and started the car the cables were connected to, drowned them, and any other manner of torture. Guess what…torturing animals is how almost 100% of serial killers start. In the mental health community, animal torture is on a check list to diagnose Psychopathy. But, hey, if we don’t analyze what is wrong with Vick then we can keep living in denial…ignorance is bliss isn’t it? That way we won’t miss a minute of excitement and we don’t have to think about what kind of people it makes us that we are able to prop up a criminal, Psychopath, football star.The money that was used to sign Vick should have gone to a rising talent…someone who wasn’t morally depraved, someone not so greedy, someone who didn’t consciously spit all over their God given talent and God given chances.What does it say that Vick was THE HIGHEST PAID FOOTBALL player IN HISTORY, he had at least SIX ENDORSEMENT CONTRACTS but he felt that wasn’t enough…he had to run a business that profits from cruelty, torture, and pain. How greedy one must be in order to do that??!!! All his millions weren’t enough…he had to make more in this depraved way. This man made more in one year than 100 regular people see in a lifetime and he chose to run a business of this nature. But we don’t think about any that because it might ruin the game for us.

  • SCtoDC

    Couldn’t have said it better J3161USA. So sick of all these self righteous, bible thumping, Blow Hards on here talking all reckless like Mike Vick owes them an apology. Grow up! If you don’t want to see Vick on TV, Change you channel, turn it off, or maybe you should just READ and UNDERSTAND your Bible, instead of spouting vague verses that fit your jaded point of view. We didn’t see all this outrage when the story broke about all the Priests who were MOLESTING the KIDS!

  • EdgewoodVA

    Forgiveness is one thing, but like several others here have said, allowing the man to play football again (and pull down an obscenely huge salary) is another. A second chance? Sure: let Vick start from the beginning–in the real world, not the NFL. As for leaving judgement up to God, it’s impossible for rational human beings to NOT judge–differentiating between any two things is crucial to survival. How we ACT based on those judgements is what matters, though, and we are obliged to take action sometimes. How do I judge Vick? I don’t think he’s sorry for what he did–he’s just sorry he got caught. I hope his work for the Humane Society does make a positive difference, but again, he’s only doing it because the judge told him to. It makes me sick. I believe that unfathomable wealth and celebrity really does screw up a lot of people–their perceptions and priorities get all out of kilter, and since Goodell is letting him back in, I know this whacked-out culture won’t change any time soon.For my own well-being, I’m trying to let my outrage towards Vick go, so maybe that’s a form of forgiveness. Even so, I don’t care to hear about him or see him ever again, which sucks, because I’m not giving up my football games!

  • SCtoDC

    Couldn’t have said it better J3161USA. So sick of all these self righteous, bible thumping, Blow Hards on here talking all reckless like Mike Vick owes them an apology. Grow up! If you don’t want to see Vick on TV, Change you channel, turn it off, or maybe you should just READ and UNDERSTAND your Bible, instead of spouting vague verses that fit your jaded point of view. We didn’t see all this outrage when the story broke about all the Priests who were MOLESTING the KIDS!

  • abby0802

    I oppose his return to football primarily because I really don’t think he’s as sorry as he claims to be:#1 It was on the ABC evening news that he hired a “PR” person to handle his “rehabilitation” — to talk the talk, to show “remorse,” to appear humbled, etc. It’s been going on for months. It also seems more show than substance.#2 There is a MAJOR personality flaw in a person who would kill dogs (or any animal) the way he did — does anyone forget what Jeffrey Dahlmer did before moving onto people? Vick tortured those animals. (And no, I’m not some PETA person. I just think it’s unconscionable to torture and kill animals just as it is unconscionable to have dog fights, bull fights, etc.)#3 If he wants to restart his life it should not be playing football for $100 million. He wants to work? Fine — he should be working picking up animal messes for minimum wage. That would be a sign of real remorse. Community service and writing checks are not enough.#4 It sends the wrong signal to young people — he’s allowed to go back to making millions after unspeakable cruelty to animals. The message is: Be an athlete — commit a crime — get a slap on the wrist — and back to the big money!Shameful.As for forgiveness, it’s up to God to judge, but I bet St. Francis has a thing or two to say about it….

  • hyjanks

    It’s easy to forgive Michael Vick for his crimes, as sordid as they were. All you have to do is consider the status of the criminals who were part and parcel of the Bush Administration. War criminality, trashing of the Constitution, starting wars without cause, taxing the middle class to take the burden off of the rich . . . the crimes are endless, yet the likes of Bush and Cheney are living on easy street, as free as Vick was a prisoner for his crimes.

  • Chaotician

    Get real! If we can forget the crimes of the GW Bush crime family, the millions murdered, the millions more displaced, the millions more at risk; I think the killing of dogs can be forgiven! As to the forgiving Christians, well their Jewish God, the Father, is not big on foregiveness! We are to believe that he required his Son, a co-equal God, to incarnate as a mere human, get tortured and murdered by those humans, to prove to God the Father, that those murderous humans were really worth having in his eternal kingdom of eternal servitude! Not the kind of folks I would expect to be forgiving!!

  • Davidd1

    Michael Vick needs no forgiveness from anyone who doesn’t know him personally and was let down thereby. If a truck driver from St. Louis kills a few dogs and pays the price the way Vick did, why does he need my forgiveness to deliver my shipment?”I would classify Vick as one depraved,” says Mr. Stevens-Arroyo.

  • qqbDEyZW

    Michael Vick will never be forgiven for abusing animals but President Bush was forgiven for killing a million Iraq families during the illegal invasion. We forgive Bush for robbing the US Economy, kidnapping innocent men/woman/children while torturing, rape and murdering them. The Christian Religious groups show that an animal life means much more then a human being in the United States of America. As Americans saw the photos of those tortured our Govenment and Law Makers justified the action while condemning other countries doing the same thing. As we see the church allowes children to be molested without any priest going to jail for the crime, but the same priest condemn a woman’s right to abortion even when it’s rape or it could cost her life and her child.

  • MGT2

    Forgiveness is the responsibility of the Christian. Jesus tells us that if we cannot forgive others, then God will not forgive us (Matthew 6:14-15). This forgiveness cannot be merely intellectual, it has to be sincere and it has to come from the heart. The person who cannot forgive Vick, or anyone else, for that matter, regardless of the offense, is NOT a Christian. Even if a person holds the highest office within the Church; even if that person is revered as a saint, if genuine forgiveness cannot be found in the heart for the vilest of humanity, then that person is not, under any circumstance, a Christian. Forgiveness does not mean acceptance of the offender’s wrong deeds. It means that we have allowed God to exact the appropriate punishment for those deeds (Romans 12:19).If Michael Vick says he has changed, we ought to forgive him without malice and let him play. It is the Christian thing to do.

  • MillPond2

    The “Golden Rule” cited in this article is irrelevant to Michael Vick’s transgressions. That rule of forgiving “those who “trespass against us” would only apply to someone who was directly affected by the cruelty that Mr. Vick inflicted on those innocent and unfortunate animals.I detect a sense of arrogance in the attitude expressed in this column, in the sense that Mr. Vick must have religious forgiveness in order to move on with his life and career. In the public and secular sense, he will regain acceptance only by his deportment on and off the football field. Remember that he has also served prison time for his conviction and has forfeited a great deal of money and prestige as a football player and as a person as a result of his actions.I am not defending Michael Vick, but at the same time, I do not feel that a religious imperative to consider an offer of “forgiveness” is appropriate. Personally, I think that would be presumptuous.

  • whocares666

    This has nothing to do with religion or “christian” anything. He committed a crime, he served his time, end of issue. Hey fundamentalists you’re not judges.

  • bobjones123

    Wow, lot of non-Eagle fans out there.You know that if Vick was picked up by your team you would be celebrating just like the entire city of Philly.There is not on person on earth that I would rather have on my team then Vick.Who cares what he did, we gots him.

  • dlkimura

    The guy is just a street hood. Smirking grin and the rest. He knows where to go…

  • westcan

    So going to prison didn’t matter and losing the 135 million didn’t matter!

  • infantry11b4faus

    granted they were dogs – BUT THEY WERE ONLY DOGS!worry about the chicome murdering millions and the russians, africians, indians, and then cry about a few darn dogs.perspective people.

  • wbgood

    MORAL DEPRAVITY —– COME ON GUYS & GALS — VICK IS NO MORE MORALLY DEPRAVED THAN THE AMERICAN SOCIETY, INCLUDING LEADING POLITICIANS. THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE KILLING OF CHILDREN VIA THE FREE REIGN OF ABORTION MILLS THROUGHOUT THE LAND WILL HAVE A LOT MORE TO REPENT OF THAN MICHAEL VICK WILL EVER HAVE OVER A FEW ANIMALS. BABIES VERSUS DOGS. YOU CAN GET ELECTED TO PUBLIC OFFICE IF YOU PROMOTE THE KILLING OF HUMAN BABIES, BUT YOU GO TO JAIL IF YOU ENGAGE IN ACTIVITIES THAT RESULT IN THE KILLING OF DOGS.

  • Delongl

    Would the Washington Post please quit trying to make religion into a social debate on the story of the week? This whole column/webpage is just trying to stir up religious animosity. Why can’t the Washington Post host a serious discussion of religion?

  • misssymoto

    BOYCOTT all sponsors of the Eagles!!!! If you are as DISGUSTED and heartsick as many are about the NFL re-signing Michael Vick, here is your chance to do something. Post it as far and wide as you can—- The Eagles Sponsors are getting major HEAT from the fans as they should be. Let’s turn it up and speak with our pocketbooks to let these Corporations know what sponsoring the Eagles organization will cost them. I just can’t look my son in the eye and explain why this sadistic and cruel person, Michael Vick is representing a professional team, so I have to do something. The names of the corporate sponsors can be found on the Eagles’ website: http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com. Everyone I spoke with was helpful and very interested in the public’s reactions to the Vick hire, and they will pass your comments forward to management. Pepsi – 800-433-2652

  • homeland1

    3-Things:1)2)3)Vicks is not O.J. S. either! PS: His Club-FED time experience, i’m sure, was also like MOSES going to the Mountain to get some solace etc..!

  • 6thsense79

    1. Michael Vick is in the NFL and nothing anyone on this board says or does will change that. 2. Wether Michael Vick is genuinely sorry or remorseful doesn’t matter. What matters is he got caught, served his time, lost a fortune, and would be an idiot if he commited the same crime again. Save the show genuine remorse bs please. There are killers who show remorse for their actions yet will still go on and kill and killers who show little remorse for their action and never kill again. If you had no choice to choose between the 2 which would it be the one who ‘showed remorse’ but continued killing or the one who showed little/no remorse and never killed again. The point I’m trying to make is the important thing is to ensure the offensive activity is not commited again not having the offender ‘show remorse’3. Vick will get a multi-million dollar contract because he has a talent that a substantial number of the population pay a premium to watch. Don’t like it? Don’t watch it. Oh you can try your boycotts I guess however a substantiall amount of the population will only care about watching football or have already made up their mind that 2 years of a man’s life, the lost of over $100 million, and the repeated pilling on from the self rightous organizations and individuals is punishment enough for Vick. The sponsors will run their numbers to determine if your boycotts will effect their bottom line and make their decision accordingly. Good luck going against the juggernutt NFL.4. Speaking of boycotts and bold statements I remember when G.W. Bush won his first terms and bunch of folks cried I’m moving to Canada. I also remember when Obama beat Hillary in the primaries and a bunch of her supporters loudly proclaimed I’m voting for McCain. My response? Shut up and do it already! Don’t sit around talking about it. But at the end of the day it was all talk. Same situation with the boycotts of Eagles games. Just shut up and do it. Talk is cheap. Of course as we all know most people are just talk.5. If I’m Vick and I know a segment of the population will never forgive me, wish me injured or dead, etc. why do I even care what they think? I would just concentrate on working with the folks willing to give me a chance and really not worry about the rest because if you’ve already stated there is nothing I can do to change your feelings towards me than really what is the point in even engaging in dialouge with you?

  • alfisher1

    NFL = National Felons League

  • ccnl1

    One Thing!!Has “Homeland1) seen the light of intelligence or will he/she again slip into the world of “planned and infectuous” gibberish???

  • praxitas

    depraved? i would rather leave my dog with vic today than my child with some random catholic priest.

  • crossingubadly

    If you even have to ask the question “should we forgive?” then there is a serious problem with self righteousness in this equation. It is not our place to judge the level of morality for our fellow men. You think you have M. Vick beat in every moral capacity just because you couldnt kill dogs? The lack of biblical understanding in your column is astounding, and for your own sake you should be wiser than to classify any man as anything, much less deprave. All the works of man will come out into light. And in God’s eyes, our social order of severity does not apply. Read your Bible, and put down your edicts.

  • fabricmaven1

    Leave him alone. He did the crime he paid the time. I hope all of the judgemental people on this post continue to live perfect lives with a guaranteed place in heaven. He did a horrible thing, following the tenets of the religious he is experiencing a chance at redemption. Not being religious even I can see he deserves the right to show he has grown and learned from his mistakes.

  • StanleyAllen

    Most of our people who do not want to forgive, well Jesus said “he who are without sin, let them cast the first stone” of course the so call god fearing man would step forward because the truth of the matter is that they have been untruthful for so long, They really think the are without sin, May god have cleared their record before their judgement day. Forgive so that you may enter the kingdom of god with his blessing and his mercy that has given to us all. If I misspelled a word or two, forgive me and try god.

  • SirChangeAgent

    Forgive Vick! Last I checked Vick did nothing to me. There is too much time spent on the notion of forgiveness when we are not even wronged. Should the victims of Vicks crimes forgive him should be the only question of concern and I doubt that anyone on this board can give a answer to that question. Vicks life and decisions related to it are a matter that only he and his maker can reconcile. Not only don’t we have the right or obligation to forgive him for actions, we don’t even have the right or obligation to judge him.

  • Rubiconski

    WHERE’S THE REMORSE? He made a choice… a very bad choice and went with it for 7 years. Had he NOT been caught, he’d STILL be slamming dogs into trees until they were dead. Yes, that’s exactly what he did. He shot them, he electrocuted them (but not all at once), he drowned some, and some, he merely grabbed them by the hind legs and swung them so their heads would SLAM into tree trunks. Got that? And he continued for 7 long years. There’s no telling how many dogs suffered horribly, then died at his hands.THAT’S not a person who made a simple mistake and should be welcomed back into society after 18 months. Those dues are NOT paid. No. THIS is a SADISTIC killer. YOU need to understand that SADISTS are never CURED. Public shame is a hard thing to overcome, especially when it’s well deserved.

  • cmecyclist

    For the haters out there, it’s not enough for people to behave within the law – we have to convict people for what they THINK and BELIEVE.Let it go.

  • Minka

    He committed an unforgivable crime.I wish that somehow what he did to the defenseless dogs could happen to him.Animal abuse is par for the course in macho, NRA gun-totin America, from chaining dogs up and leaving them exposed to the sweltering heat and freezing temps to beating them, starving them, to using them for target practice to setting them on fire, the abuse is one long scream into eternity so …. I’m glad to see just one abuser receive his just deserts … too bad it doesn’t happen thousands of times a day more often.I simply, hate Michael Vick.

  • ridagana

    So now he is helping the Philadelphia Eagles. Perhaps he doesn’t like dogs but he loves birds. What about our soldiers in Afghanistan, they love killing people rather than animals and they get medals for it. Can we move on already.

  • WmJLePetomane

    Vick is slime. The NFL has no integrity. Sadly, there is more hoopla over Vick’s treatment of dogs than there was Kobe Bryant’s forceably sodomizing a maid in a hotel in Colorado.Sick

  • wille66

    I have no problem forgiving someone, but in Vick’s case, I completely believe the only remorse he feels is for getting caught. Watching his 60 Minutes interview convinced me he is not contrite in any way that would signal a reformation of his character. His glazed stare told me he was repeating rehearsed words meant to appease his critics. He was regurgitating phrases of contrition without actually believing them; they sounded good to those who wish to believe in him. Given the un-noticed chance to go back to his old ways, I think he would jump at it.

  • KraftPaper

    Vick was in jail for gambling and we all felt bad for the poor dogs who suffered so he could make a profit. What that has to do with football I don’t know. You don’t think gambling goes on in pro sports? What it’s got to do with religion is said best by comedian Jim Gaffigan who is a Catholic by birth: Catholics he jokes don’t have to read the bible. The bible for them is a law book to be consulted whenever one needs to get out of something or see if it can be absolved in advance of doing it. He goes on but much funnier, can I one asks his priest steal from work? And the reply: let’s look it up in the bible and see if there’s an exception. Word: why did the Eagles sign him to such a big contract when there was no one else competing for his abilities? Why? Because the media and football are entertainment. Hype is entertainment. That’s All Folks!

  • sillyteam

    You know I have no problems with people who eat dogs for food. I visited Vietnam four years ago and witnessed this myself. NO big deal! I have eaten chickens myself but would never condone a cock fight. To kill animals for entertainment is wrong. To eat them is nature.

  • ridge_road_marco

    Of course Michael Vick should be forgiven. Also, he should not be allowed to play in the NFL again. The NFL at this present time seems to have an abundance of thug wannabe’s, who are more than willing to tolerate the fines/suspensions that are imposed (it only solidifies their “street-cred”). The NFL should drop the hammer on these guys, and deliver the message that the party is over. A good beginning would be to enforce a dress code that states that any player wearing a ball cap must wear it correctly (or not at all). It is disgusting to see grown men wearing their caps backwards, or even more ridiculous wearing the bill of their caps sideways. The other day, I noticed a picture of Terrell Owens (a 35-36 year old man) standing on the sidelines of a Buffalo Bills game looking like a “gangbanger” with his cap on sideways Nice image for the NFL!

  • blueball

    These Catholics are so confused. The Golden rule is not in the lord’s prayer. In the prayer,we as God to forgive us “as we have forgiven” those who trespass against “us”. that said, the issue whether “we” should “forgive Michael Vick” is relevant only to the issue of whether we are right with God–it has nothing to do with whether we are going to watch this man play football or buy tickets to the Eagles.”We” are going to participate in the cultural game of football because it is part of who “we” are, Americans living in 2009.Whether we”should” is not a question of personal morality. It is a question of what kind of society we aspire to be. On that score, we should demand accountability, but we simply do not. It is a function of the power of money over the long-term good of society.My preference would be for Mr Vick to devote 10 per cent of his income for the next 5 years to prevention of cruelty programs to teach the young people who adore him the proper way to treat animals, and for Vick personally to adopt a yardful of strays like Cesar Milan has, and give them good homes for life.I’d cheer for him and the Eagles too, if they did that.

  • agrossman1

    Should we forgive Michael Vick? Certainly. But he should also be banned from playing professional football forever. He does not deserve the millions lavished on an ex-convict. Beneath his supposed contrition he is laughing at all of us. It is people such as Michael Vick who have soured me on the sport of football. I daresay there must be others who feel the same way. Let him get a job flipping burgers or cleaning toilets. He isn’t worth much morethan that.

  • agrossman1

    Should we forgive Michael Vick? Certainly. But he should also be banned from playing professional football forever. He does not deserve the millions lavished on an ex-convict. Beneath his supposed contrition he is laughing at all of us. It is people such as Michael Vick who have soured me on the sport of football. I daresay there must be others who feel the same way. Let him get a job flipping burgers or cleaning toilets. He isn’t worth much morethan that.

  • crumppie

    Jail, blah. I would have preferred Vick to be placed in a pit with the dogs he abused. Let him get a true taste of his own medicine. It’s the NFL, not the local trash collector. There should be minimal standards to uphold. Torturing & executing dogs for his deranged pleasure is surely beyond the pale.

  • alanhoang3

    give him another chance to correct his mistake. What should he do about animals to show people he wants to correct his mistake.

  • TheBeatDontStop

    Those of you who choose not to forgive Mr. Vick, well don’t forgive him , or watch football. Each day children are murdered, sexually abused, or missing why isn’t this some of your concern. Is a dogs life more valuable then a humans?Vick did his time and paid his debt to society, enough said, bottom line he is playing again and is getting paid…

  • jcd1946

    I’m confused here, did Mr. Vick kill, rape or sell drugs to children? Did he kill thousands of people for sport? Let’s try to keep this in perspective, he was responsible for the deaths of dogs. While this doesn’t qualify him for “Human Being of any year”, I don’t think it makes him the worst person of all time either.I certainly don’t think we need to bring the Deity into this as I’m sure that Mr. Vick will deal with him in time.

  • homeland1

    While sleeping i Had another “iNTRO-ViSION” about How To Win The War against the Taliband-nuts:This might sound wierd but; Imagine if All of our Coalition’s, Brave & Scared Gals-n-Guys; wore a Helmet that looks like a PIG/BOAR [HAZEER]. And Imagine if every 4th Soldier had One Of “VICKS & CO;, specially trained Fighting/Killer Dogs. Note: i’m sure the Afghanistani Dogs will run away when they lay eyes on that VICKS-ARMY. Imagine Mr. VICKS being the head Honch/Leader on a Horse and sais, to them 15,000 Superior [Jewish or Christian Dogs?] CHhhhhhAaaaaaRGE Cainans! Sick’m & Go Getum Boys & Gals!!i know a ‘pooch’ is and can be a HUe{MATE’s best friend; but Theres a saying, “Keep Ye friends Close, but Ye Enemies Closer”!So the Pentagon can use Mr. VICKS’s Fearless DOGS Breeds & circumvent the GENEVA War Protocols, and thus destroy “The Protocols of the Elders Of Al TAQIYAH”ists Therein.Yes, Canains (not CANAANITES, like from GAZA & CO.)) Besides making Good Companions, And Supply Nutrition, that they make Great Warriors!Note: Each of Vicks MATYRED Cainans, Who Die for our Nation, will be in Dogs Heaven with 72 other Dog Virgins too! What do ye sayth to that PUPP? oooppppss meant BUBB!

  • MGT2

    misssymoto Please. You are certainly free to say and think whatever you want, but please, please do not misapply Biblical text in support of your unforgiving attitude. You forgot (I hope that is the case and not that you did not know) to mention that Jesus refuted the “eye for an eye” response thus rendering it unchristian. In fact he promoted doing good especially for your enemies and to forgive them, otherwise God will not forgive you (Matthew 6:14-15). That is what a Christian does. If you cannot do that, then please, do not call yourself a Christian.

  • joethree

    To not forgive Vick and say he should not be permitted to play football is insane. It’s his job, it’s what he does. Should a metalworker that commits a crime not be allowed to return to metalworking once he gets released. I understand that he is high profile but who says that he profile people must be above us all morally. Dante Stallworth killed someone under the influence and it is hardly front page news. When did people start caring more about animals then our fellow humans. As one poster said that what he did was terrible but he didn’t rape or kill a person. He did what he grew up with watching in South Eastern VA. The fact is, he could never apologize enough for a certain amount of the population but the justice system made an example of him and his mistake. You or I would have gotten off with A LOT less. I never liked MIchael Vick as a player or person and still don’t but he has a right to make an income and did everything our justice dept. has asked of him. Nothing but a public lynching would would satiate the appetite of those who have decided that he is the spawn of Hitler for his actions…. He has been judged, tried and convicted, he served his time, now let’s move on. I wish people cared about the homeless or starving kids as much as they care about this and dogs and other animals, maybe more would be done to help them. His time to be judged will come by the faith he has, it is not our role to judge when we all have sinned as well.

  • EdgewoodVA

    Just because some of us are not mentioning our outrage about other acts of cruelty and violence doesn’t mean that we don’t care, or that we consider rape and murder to be lesser crimes worthy of forgiveness. Get a frickin’ clue.

  • lindajones16

    The bottom line is, if we want forgiveness from God, we must forgive our fellowman.Could it be that some white people think black people should continue pay and not be provided the opportunity to earn a living? He served his time. OJ was acquitted of murder in a court of law. Just cannot believe in the justice system when it is convenient to do so.

  • fendix

    How about we jail all the hunters whos animals in and out of helicopters for sport in this country then tell them they aren’t allowed to work after they get out.When that happens, then we can talk about Michael Vick

  • fendix

    i meant to say who shoot animals.. i guess i should have previewed it first

  • obx2004

    Each day children are murdered, sexually abused, or missing why isn’t this some of your concern. Is a dogs life more valuable then a humans?To your comment:I’m not sure he’s sorry for what he did, I think he has regrets about what his life has become because of what he did. Did he ever feel remorse when he was murdering those dogs? Doubt it.

  • HP4103

    Interesting, catholics have already begun to forgive Rick Pitino for paying for the killing of his unborn child. Yet white america can not forgive Micheal Vick for the killing of dogs. Its is a double standard in this country when its comes to the punishment of Black people.

  • MichaelAmanda

    So many people comment and don’t know the full story. Michael Vick was found guilty of hanging dogs from trees, electrocuting them with jumper cables, held them underwater until they drowned in his swimming pool, and even threw his own family dogs into the fighting pit to be torn to shreds while he laughed. Just hearing about these crimes makes the skin crawl. Many murderers start out torturing animals and then move to humans. I’m guessing that the Michael Vick lovers didn’t know that either.

  • Dermitt

    Beagles and Stealers with nuts in the middle of the state.

  • nonagon

    Two years in prison and a hundred million dollars is enough for a man to realize the error of his ways. And Vick’s remorse appears genuine. He is in the unique position to become an important advocate for animal rights; he said “I hope to help more animals than I’ve hurt.” Vick’s stature as the most exciting player in the NFL can help break through to those who say “they’re just dogs” that abusing animals (especially dogs) is wrong.

  • aquawintrade

    God is Justice but also is Mercy I think he must try to be near of God, I think with we have to forgive him, but he must work in himself spiritualy in a church and psicologicaly with a profesional, nothing is gained if he do not change

  • eyekey416

    Let’s be honest here. He did not rape or murder a human. These were dogs. In some country, they eat them like we eat cows, pigs, and chickens. In some countries, cows are sacred. I think this debate is indicative of how we Americans overstate the importance of mundane issues.

  • telesonic

    You and I have nothing to forgive Michael Vick for. People pay money to see football players play football – not to teach them how to be good Christians. If you feel that Vick has let you down, it’s because he failed to meet your expectations about how a professional athlete should behave. You need to either adjust your expectations or stop watching football.Vick’s forgiveness is a matter best left to Vick and his Maker. Only God knows whether his contrition is sincere. I have a feeling he’s on probation.

  • eyeater

    If professional sports had any interest at all in cleaning up their act, all they would have to do is ban convicted felons from playing. Felons, in many cases, lose a lot of their rights: The right to vote, to own firearms, to teach in public schools, etc. Why not add “participate in professional sports” to the list? That includes players, coaches, and management.

  • jimcowles

    Sure, forgive the guy … But fa’Chrissakes don’t let him near the Eagles’ mascot! JIM

  • obx2004

    Let’s be honest here. He did not rape or murder a human. These were dogs. In some country, they eat them like we eat cows, pigs, and chickens. In some countries, cows are sacred. I think this debate is indicative of how we Americans overstate the importance of mundane issues.And here again, another rationalization attempt by the “they’re just dogs” crowd. Remove any and all emotional and humanistic qualities from the dogs in order to make them plastic, brainless toys so that it’s easier for them to slaughter for fun.PS – to the Vick supporters who say everyone is picking on him because he’s black: many animals abusers are white, and they’re held in the same regard as this savage. So stop insulting real victims of racial prejudice!

  • fendix

    HI obx2004 .I live on a farm and I have a pet cow.. How about you and everyone get jailed for eating beef. They are plastic brainless toys..

  • fendix

    HI obx2004 .I live on a farm and I have a pet cow.. How about you and everyone get jailed for eating beef. They are not plastic brainless toys..

  • eyekey416

    And here again, another rationalization attempt by the “they’re just dogs” crowd. Remove any and all emotional and humanistic qualities from the dogs in order to make them plastic, brainless toys so that it’s easier for them to slaughter for fun.Posted by: obx2004 | August 18, 2009 10:22 AM/////////////////////////I love dogs. I also love fish and birds. (can’t stand cats) However, I’m sure someone has a pet cow that they love as well. When my mother was a little girl growing up in South Carolina, she had a pet pig. One day, my Grandfather slaughtered the pig for food. Good thing they don’t send people to jail for slaughtering pigs and cows because some people love them as pets.

  • obx2004

    that’s awesome for you, Fendix, but you see, we’re not discussing cows. We’re discussing dogs, which, in this country, are held to be domestic pets not used for consumption.but thank you for confirming what i said earlier about how Vick supporters love to deflect the issue to something irrelevant.

  • dcis1

    Posted by: obx2004 | August 18, 2009 10:22 And here again, another rationalization attempt by the “they’re just dogs” crowd. Remove any and all emotional and humanistic qualities from the dogs in order to make them plastic, brainless toys so that it’s easier for them to slaughter for fun.They are just dogs. What do you want them to be. They are canines, companions, pets, strays and at the end of the day–just dogs. And yes, you are being overly sensitive about a what? A dog. What in the world are we turning into.

  • ronaldlynnhill1

    If someone finds pleasure in animal cruelty it’s indicative of a much deeper psychological issue. I believe in forgiveness but the guy needs to see a good psychiatrist. The type of inner traits he displays deriving pleasure from dog fighting is often found in the same personalty types who commit murder.

  • timsiepel

    Last evening, I watched a fox stalk a woodchuck. Do you think he should be arrested for that? Re-educated perhaps? Or perhaps I should, for watching. Dogs like to fight; so do roosters; so do bulls; so do men, for that matter. Men are still allowed to fight, and people are still allowed to watch them. Millions of chickens are slaughtered every day, in inhumane conditions; but a few years ago, a man in NJ was arrested for clubbing a rat. True Buddhist values re kindness toward other species are consistent and honorable; but those are not our values. What are our values? Are they consistent, and honorable?

  • eyekey416

    If someone finds pleasure in animal cruelty it’s indicative of a much deeper psychological issue. I believe in forgiveness but the guy needs to see a good psychiatrist. The type of inner traits he displays deriving pleasure from dog fighting is often found in the same personalty types who commit murder.Although I do not personally extract pleasure from animal fighting, I do know that in the south it is quite common. To characterize all of the participants of the culture as in need of psychological evaluation is reckless. I guess everyone with Roman genes should get themselves evaluated. Those gladiator bouts were brutal…..

  • obx2004

    DCIS1: i wouldn’t expect you to understand it, especially if you think slaughtering dogs for fun is just fine.Vick is a soulless, sadistic savage. Plain and simple.

  • sharonp1z

    Vick was punished for his crime and claims to be repentant. I think we should wait and see. As far as the deeper psychological issues, I think we need to include all people who love combative sport. This style of puppy murder is all about taking physical potential and channeling it into aggression. This is a part of existence in this world. The lines are gray and changing. Vick did not commit murder and it is unfair to make that comparison. He did deserve to go to jail. He can reform himself into the role model he should be. I would love to heard his opinion on the difference between murder, puppy murder and combative sports.

  • fendix

    I do not believe showing rampant hypocrisy is irrelevant. Judge not yet ye be judged.

  • bobdog3

    It would be easier to forgive Vick if we could actually believe that he truly is sorry. The public can only ever know what they read/view in the media, but frankly, I ain’t buying it. He isn’t sorry; he’s sorry he got caught. He hasn’t learned anything and I believe he would do it again in a heartbeat. The man is a sick, sick psychotic, and psychotics don’t change by simply apologizing. Lying to solicit our sympathies is what they do best. Vick will always be a psychotic, impotent and depraved loser who enjoys torturing defenceless animals. Vick hasn’t changed, and he probably never will.

  • dcis1

    Posted by: obx2004 | August 18, 2009 10:46 AM – DCIS1: I wouldn’t expect you to understand it, especially if you think slaughtering dogs for fun is just fine.Vick is a soulless, sadistic savage. Plain and simple.Are you projecting your own unbridled anger here? Who intimated that slaughtering dogs for fun is acceptable? You weak-kneed americans need a grip. Vick is a souless, sadistic savage. Ok and now what? You want to take away whatever he has left?Really, get a clue and stop crying.

  • homeland1

    MICHAELAMANDA:If Vick’s & CO. went that far; then in their Coldness, or while under the influence, maybe he & his entarage had “SEX”ually abused some Female Dogs? or Male?Is there such as a Person as a, “HITLER against DOGS”!

  • fendix

    MICHAELAMANDA:If Vick’s & CO. went that far; then in their Coldness, or while under the influence, maybe he & his entarage had “SEX”ually abused some Female Dogs? or Male?////////////////Please don’t disparage Vick as a sex offender.I don’t believe he is Catholic

  • DwightCollins

    only GOD can forgive…

  • hairstonpamela

    Yeah, Vick’s a dog killer, an animal killer, not a child killer. A young MD man just got mauled to death by 2 pit bulls and most white folks think that these dogs shouldn’t be put to death. Hell, if it were my son lying dead in my home, mauled to death by 2 dogs, I’d have those dogs coming off the grill with mustard, chili and onions. Meaning, these dogs would be dead dogs! After all, they are animals and in the Bible, they ate baby animals, sacrificed baby animals (lambs) all the time because THEY WERE ANIMALS. Don’t get me wrong, I have a 14 yr old German Shepard and I love her dearly but damn, she’s a dog. And you think animals are going to heaven? If we manage to make it into those pearly gates, what we’ll see running up and down those streets paved with gold ain’t gonna be our pet dogs and cats but little nappy-headed African children who starved to death. “Suffer little children that come unto me ’cause thine is the kingdom of heaven.” So if you have problems loving black folks, or forgiving anyone for that matter, I suggest you make your reservation in hell. I’m just saying. Peace.

  • jvoran

    I’m not a Catholic; I’m not a Christian in the traditional sense of accepting the tenants of the Apostle’s Creed. I have my own sense of morality and ethics developed over years of reflection and walking away from church and church attendance years ago. I am also a profound lover of all animals.Michael Vick did not pay a debt to society. 23 months in prison for torturing and killing hundreds of defenseless animals? That’s paying a debt? That’s a slap on the hand and a wink of the eye for the magnitude of his crime. His contrition? Staged.There are some crimes that are not forgivable — ever. And his was one of them. He violated the fabric of respect for life that is absolutely necessary for the continued existence of the life of this planet. He violated the relationship of man to animal — and where did we get the idea that we are some kind of super animal that is above and beyond the necessity for understanding our dependence upon the whole fabric of life?I truly do not care one whit what the Catholic church teaches about forgiveness. Their teachings about forgiveness work when it suits them and tortuous arguments of theology are hardly germane to the lives of everyday people and the good and evil about us.We have a responsibility to respond to evil according to the best dictates of our own individual consciences — not according to some teaching of whatever church is making pronouncements.

  • Nick20

    Many posted about the amount of money athletes make. Is that Vick’s fault? If that is your issue, discuss it in the context of salaries. Take action; boycott sports, all sports not just one player. Boycott those companies that pay millions for a 30 second ad during these events. Vick is returning to his career, the thing for which he trained and studied. It’s your right not to forgive Vick, but your not forgiving him is not doing harm to him, it is hurting you. Those who choose not to forgive Vick or anyone else is carrying hate in their heart, mind, spirit and body. Vick funded a very hateful operation, I believe more in ignorance than in malice. This is not in anyway to dismiss his actions, but in order for true rehabilitation to take place, forgiveness must be granted.

  • vmonroe_valnesio

    Seemingly, any poor man’s activity is fodder for PETA. However, horse racing is the sport of the rich and famous and is therefore untouchable. Dogs are injured or killed in fighting and they die what must be a miserable death. Do the horses hurt any less and are the dead horses any less dead? I don’t think so. Sure, Vick didn’t need dog fighting money and I personally don’t believe that he was in if for the money. He probably bankrolled it to help his long-time friends, who did need the money. They couldn’t afford a horse named Barbaro. No, that was not a good decision on Vick’s part, because it is illegal. Additionally, it was very naïve on his part to believe that they wouldn’t get caught. But there is something about animals and how people feel about them, which is not considered. People don’t all feel the same about or towards animals. I may love my cat to death, but I wish your pit bull would get run over by a big rig. Spaniards adore their pet dogs; however, they don’t feel the same way towards bulls in the arena, do they? How do gun rights advocates feel towards those, who are slaughtered by gun owners? Have you ever heard one expression of sympathy for HUMAN BEINGS, who are gunned down daily? It’s a matter of perspective. It was patently dishonest to ask Vick, as Brown did on Sixty Minutes, if he, in effect, felt badly about what he had done. Of course, Vick, faced with a Hobson’s choice, had no alternative but to respond that he did feel badly. In answering in that way, Vick gave up his individual humanity, his difference in experiences, exposures, likes and dislikes, etc. He became a clone of what society and PETA wants in him. But, in reality, he is not that clone, he is Vick, period. It should be sufficient for Vick to avow that he won’t get involved in dog-fighting again because it’s illegal, period. Asking him to now declare his love for pit bulls, snakes and other vermin is ludicrous.Now, he is a PETA slave. It was sickening to see the neo-slave master from PETA sitting by Vick on Sixty Minutes guaranteeing the latter’s submissive compliance. Images of Dred Scott and the US Supreme Court turned my blood cold. Forcing Vick to do PETA’s work is reprehensible and is nothing less than a form of forced enslavement using his conviction, for which he served his time, as the shackles. He did the time society required of him. He is, in effect, being subjected to double jeopardy. Doing community service should not be a requirement of Vick but a choice only if he so chooses. We don’t ask that alcoholic, who killed someone while driving under the influence, to publicly declare that he or she now hates alcohol.

  • aquawintrade

    God is Justice and also is Mercy, important thing that Vick change his attitude go to Church and little by little change it seems that his spirituality is very low, he must work in it, and must have psychiatric help

  • fendix

    vmonroe_valnesio says Vick gave up his individual humanity, his difference in experiences, exposures, likes and dislikes, etc.////

  • pjwertz

    In the 60 Minutes interview with Vick, I looked for, but did not detect, any genuine remorse for the suffering of those animals. That piece of Vick’s soul seems to be missing–permanently. The Eagles have made a mistake.

  • greenera

    I wish I was like some of the commentators and was without sin and then maybe I could keep judging Mr. Vick and all his intentions for the rest of his life . I don’t approve of his actions but he served his time in jail. If people think he got off too easy they can try to change the laws. If someone wants to give him another chance that is their option. We as a society have established a system of laws and punishments. Mr. Vick has fullfilled his obligation. Whether we like it or not he is not our responsibility. Does he care what we we think or should he. No he doesn’t. He doesn’t owe us anything.Is he a role model to our kids.No, He is like any entertainer or athlete we liked to watch play a game. We should care only that he fulfills his obligations under law. The way the penal system works, is to punish people for their crimes and hope that gives them reason not to commit anymore. When people are given the opportunity to work and make a decent living they tend not to commit crimes. I can forgive and let him try to live his life but that doen’t mean we forget. If you don’t approve of his second chance you can protest by not financially supporting the NFL or the Eagles. If he was not in the NFL would we be worried about him. Most likely no. I hope the same people protesting Vick are going to protest other convicted dogfighters when they are released or Vick 5 years from now when his NFL career is over. I also hope that the same people who are as passionate about crimes against animals are as passionate about crimes of rape murder and torture against human beings. Our lives are to short to worry about one person. If you are passionate about this try to correct the culture that led to this. Do something constructive in the lives of people to keep them from falling instead of letting them fall.

  • hoeya

    If Vick wants to demonstrate his contrition, there’s one simple way to do it: sign over at least half of his first season to ASPCA and at least a quarter for the four years after, and then settle down to tithing for the remainder of his career, wherever he plays, whatever his salary.

  • hebe1

    First of all, let’s set aside the issue of religion. not everyone is a Catholic or is Jewish and forgiveness is not limited to only Catholics and Jews.Second, to the horse racing “hater” (I say hater to reflect the lack of logic in her thinking). In a horse race, horeses run. It what they do, it’s what they want to do. The winner does not kill the losers at the end of the race. if you want horse abuse, go to an auction and see how the horses are held and what’s done with them after the auction.Third, “a poor man’s sport”??? Vick is not poor. Seriously, stay with the topic.As for his moral standing, it is incredibly naive of anyone to believe that athletes, politicians, celebrities, etc are morally sound. It is a sickness that Vick has which is called a gambling addiction. He deserved everything he got and more, however, what benefit is there in constantly harping about his crime? He has the ability as an athletic celebrity to make a change in dog fighting. That’s what he’s been tasked with doing and that’s what people should focus on making him do! If nothing comes out of this but hatred, then we as vocal participants in society are guilty too of letting down the dogs. P.S. FYI, the vast majority of dogs rescued from dog fights are euthanized due to their aggressive behavior. Watch Animal Planet.

  • infantry11b4faus

    FORGIVE vick?what are you talking about, FORGIVE?the man did not murder, torture, rape, or engage in child molesting of a human! you are the same loonies that wanted tookie williams forgiven and not executed because he had someone write a childs book for him.they were dogs. not people.he does not need your forgiveness.

  • jmyrick1

    I am not a fan of Michael Vick, but I am a fan of the our laws and court system. The man was found guilty of his crime, then did his time, (as we in all our wisdom set in place) so now it’s time for him to live his life. If people feel that he did not spend enough time in jail, then change the way the courts set time and punishment. He should be allowed to make good his words and deeds to fit his own mind and heart. We as a people already took from him what was asked and he gave. His life starts now, let him do something with it.

  • DC011

    It is sad when so much attention is paid to animals. Yes it was wrong – but I wonder who introduced dog fighting to this country? Sureley it was not a black man. This is a continuing activity through out this country. But as usual when a black man is caught he is demonized throughout the world. White america I am so tired of this racial constant BS. When will you people just be fair. Why does he have to continue to pay…his money, his career and his pride have been knocked down enough can’t you people be happy with that?

  • momj47

    What’s the big deal with “forgiveness”, and who cares? It’s an outdated ritual. I think repentance, forgiveness and penance are meaningless ideas now. He had a trial (and the public humiliation that goes along with the trial and guilty verdict), he “paid his debt to society”, it’s time to move on. We don’t have to “forgive” him for anything, we have to decide if he gets another chance, and then it’s up to him to decide what to do with that second chance.

  • eholmes27

    In simple terms Vick committed a crime was arrested, prosecuted, and served his sentenced as laid out by the law of land. With a felony conviction many are prohibited from returning to previous occupations or pursuing certain new ones after serving time, NFL football isn’t one of them. If the governing body decides to allow Vick to return the forgives of those who don’t respect both this decision and the time served as prescribed by law isn’t required or needed. The man shouldn’t face continuous persecution or judgement unnecessarily. We live in a very hypocritical society, we cheer for our favorite football teams, boxers, and mixed martial arts competitors to inflict as much pain on the opponent as possible. Often times resulting debilitating injuries and sometimes death but its OK because its a sport with human beings as collatoral and yet those who refuse to let Vick move on are silent about combat sports whether it animal versus animal or human being (animal) versus animal until the band wagon gathers steam. Where is the morality of the human beings behind Bull fighting, Simemese fighting fish fighting, Cock fighting (all of which have been around for hundreds of years), and the treatment of horses and dogs during and after their racing days are over. Again we (human beings) as the so called superior animal on the planet are hugely hypocritical, biased and inconsistent in our application of morals and ethics.

  • dgblues

    Sure, we can forgive him. He can get a job flipping burgers like the rest of us. The Eagles and their fans never were anything more than a bunch of illiterate thugs anyhow, so he’ll fit right in with the fan base.

  • warabe

    This is absurd and down right stupid. Mr. Vick did his time as the law states. He has right to make living and the job he was hired for 99.999999999 of us cannot do it. so please get off your high morality humbug and stop harassing this gentleman and start think how to slaughter innocent third world population. You(Americans) who slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Afghans and you said no pip. Do you know what you call the victims collateral damage. In simple term, slaughtered victims were in wrong place at the wrong time. watch your football drink your beer and stop telling rest of us about morality. tata

  • msgindc

    I don’t think this is about forgiving or not: His depravity is beyond my conception. He shouldn’t be able to profit after what he did, which, bringing him back into pro-football and paying him a ton of money – again – would be. You pay a guy like this as much money as NFL folks are willing to pay, & he’ll never “get it”. As for the Eagles, et.al., it isn’t about giving him a chance, it’s about them making a proft, pure and simple. Always has been; always will be. But someone below was on the right track with him forfeiting a percentage of salary to animal rights groups, but, let’s take it further. He’s made tons of money already, so let him demonstrate his sincerity by working for $1-a-year for a number of years equal to the number of animals he personally killed.

  • mikegordon1

    My, my, lots of people out there throwing first stones today. He did his time.

  • lexus1

    I am fed up with you people harrassing Michael Vick. I am so angry, my blood is boiling. Its time for you people to leave Michael Vick alone. He has paid his debt to society. He has to provide for himself and his family. This is not slavery, reconstruction or jim crow. Treat him as a man just like you would treat a white man. What do you want from him his balls? You people need to get a life. There are a bunch of white people who live in this town who doesn’t have any teeth in their mouths, no air conditioners in their homes and living pay check to pay check. Put some focus on them and other poor people and stop focusing so much on dogs. Show some compassion for your brother and sister?

  • lioness_ohyes

    WEll- I am a dog owner and lover with 2Pit mixes and honestly, I’m not hardly mad at Michael Vick. Why should I be? He didn’t do anything to offend me personally…nor anyone posting about his purported “crime”. The BIGGER ISSUE here is…as much of an outcry came about Vick, a mere facilitator not a participant of dog fighting…NEVER ONCE have I heard this much compassion and dogged reverence about the quality of life…or lack thereof of the millions of “newly impoverished” Americans. Did you know that at least 3 people you know are: jobless, homeless, starving or sick without medical care? Oh mighty champions of pit bull rights- you are SO FULL OF IT. It’s not as if any of you actually would own one and just a year ago you were probably hollering to get them all euthanize- because they’re vicious right?. Hypocrisy at it’s finest I tell ya! What a society- we will starve, run naked and freeze to save an animal…but will we give that box of unworn clothes, dish of wasted food, or will we house and protect the orphaned/abandoned child, abused man or woman, that person who just can’t get a break…and freely give? There are MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEEDS SOMEONE TO FIGHT FOR THEM….here you are fighting to make Vick the evil one and keep him out of the NFL and ruin football for the REAL FANS. Gives a whole new meaning to Inglorious Bastards. Commenter “eholmes27″ said a mouthful…BRAVO!

  • dcis1

    don’t think this is about forgiving or not: His depravity is beyond my conception. He shouldn’t be able to profit after what he did, which, bringing him back into pro-football and paying him a ton of money – again – would be. You pay a guy like this as much money as NFL folks are willing to pay, & he’ll never “get it”. As for the Eagles, et.al., it isn’t about giving him a chance, it’s about them making a proft, pure and simple. Always has been; always will be. So because he killed a dog, you know one of the rabid mangy canine species we find wandering neighborhoods, he should barred from earning a living?How weak a rationale is that. Why should any person have to owe money to a radical animal’s rights group–certainly not to PETA–the organization responsible for attacking citizens in their effort to “defur” the globe.

  • tonyholst

    Only God can forgive. If Vick can play football, then he should! All this crap about having a man serve time in a Federal prison for dog fighting is just plain PC BS. If you beat up your wife or girl friend you may get community service or anger management classes! If you kill someone while you are driving while intoxicated you may get 30 days. How many of these so called animal lovers have a “Hate Vick” sign in one hand and a McDonalds Cheeseburger in the other. Imagine, in some parts of the world the Cow is held sacred and eating a pig is considered a sacrilege. You would be ostracized or worse for just eating their flesh..Let God sort out the forgiving issue and let’s play football!

  • vmonroe_valnesio

    This is part one of my comment:There is nothing to forgive, let’s let Vick get on with his life. Riding his back serves no good purpose. Even the thought of doing so is an indication of the absence of the presence of God. PETA, VICK AND SLAVERY AND HYPOCRISY

  • cocochanel1

    This man didn’t kill anyone! Why are we harping on Vick instead of Donte Stallworth who actually KILLED someone. Or what about Pacman Jones who’e criminal record is so long I can’t even begin to list his offenses. I don’t agree with what Vick did by any means but forgive him for what? They were dogs. Dogs fight without anyone “training” them to do so. This being such an issue shows that people care more about dogs than humans. No one wrote article after article on Stallworth or Jones or called them depraved and they are also felons but their crimes involved people instead of animals. Guess if they had killed a few dogs they would have received more heat.

  • MGT2

    Posted by: jimcowles Sure, forgive the guy … But fa’Chrissakes don’t let him near the Eagles’ mascot! JIMNow, that is funny…I appreciate it.

  • Afrobella

    This is dramatic.

  • johnmcmullen2

    The era of the sports figure role-model hero is long passed.

  • vigor

    Did his experience change how he looks at dogs?If we turn our backs, will he be fighting dogs again? Or throwing them to the ground because they don’t perform violently enough? What will he say to his friends that still fight dogs?

  • rlj1

    Since when did we become such a moral society? Repentance why? He did his time and if someone wants to hire him and others want to pay to see him that’s their choice.

  • francisdyer

    I’m a Giants fan. I had been against Vic’s return but after reading the post of VMONROE_VALNESIO I’ve changed my mind. I think Vic will be O K.

  • Carstonio

    I’m not proud of this, but I had a twinge of regret at seeing Vick express remorse, even though I know it was the right thing for him to do. In my mind, his crimes deserve not just prison time but also some type of public humiliation – taunting during games like that endured by steroid-using baseball stars. But those players are rarely contrite, often acting as if they believe they did nothing unethical. If Vick had acted like Barry Bonds, taunting him might have served as an object lesson for anyone involved in the cruelty of dog-fighting. It wouldn’t be right or fair to use a contrite man to teach others a lesson that way.

  • illustrator247

    “Forgiveness” in my understanding is more for the person who is doing the forgiving. So in the case of us readers, to forgive Mr. Vick is for us to let go of our judgment of him and move on. In the case of Mr. Vick, it is to forgive himself and, as the author has said, to continue to show he has changed. Having done his time in jail does not mean Mr. Vick is done. He has the responsibility, for the rest of his life, to show that he has changed.

  • kalixmd

    Whether most Americans want to acknowledge or not, there is a culture of dog-fighting that is prevalent in poor urban and poor rural areas of the United States. It is pervasive among both blacks and whites. With that said, Vick grew up acculturated to this type of “sport” and saw nothing wrong with it. Unfortunately, he was unable to expand the limited world view in which he was raised once he attained success on a much larger scale. This case speaks to the great divide that exists within our country; where the beliefs, values and practices of one segment of society are completely alien to the other.

  • abc12

    I am not surprised with the public outcry for Michael Vick’s head and being vehemently against his return to the NFL. But, many of the very same people condone or do protest the “BLOOD BATHS” THAT OCCUR WITH HUMANS, NOT DOGS, IN WORLD EXTREME CAGEFIGHTING, daily. But, I guess this is okay.Where is the public outcry or maybe there is too much money involved?

  • tisch

    First of all those of you without sin can only cast the first stone. Everybody makes mistakes in their lives. Not everyone get caught and not everyone cares whether they are forgiven or not. Vick is taking responsibility for his actions. I am sure no one is beating him up more than he is. The other thing to think about is that he is only 29 years old. A man, yes, barely. My youngest son is 29 and I still see him as a kid still learning about life. These young men are thrown into the bowels of hell when they become these so called super stars. If they arent taught the right things at a very young age, or even if they have, the pressure is overwhelming. I also blame the people making money off of these young superstars. Thats all they care about. I think the sports leagues need to take more responsibility and show some contrition as well.

  • Carstonio

    “This being such an issue shows that people care more about dogs than humans.”That’s not the case at all. No one is arguing that it’s worse to torture or kill a dog than to kill a person. The issue here is Vick’s likely motivations were much more offensive. He was intentionally inflicting suffering on living things under his power, for his own financial benefit and entertainment. There’s nothing wrong about being offended by the intent to abuse power, and that doesn’t mean that one is less offended by the taking of human life. While Stallworth was almost certainly criminally negligent, it would be an enormous stretch to accuse him of intending to kill someone.

  • jess4me

    God says,”let he who is without sin, cast the first stone”. Who are WE, not to forgive?

  • staterighter

    If I thought that he had truly repented I might consider letting him work at a car wash. But letting him walk back to a profession that is highly influencial to youth is bad. He did not only fight dogs he butchered and tortured those that did not perform the way he wanted them to. He cut them apart, electrocuted, and drown them all while they were still alive. He has an evil heart and he will never change until he again faces those animals in hell. I don’t want my son thinking that Vick is a “star” because he isn’t. I don’t want my son thinking that if you are famous that you can get away with terrible crimes and still get back to your millions and your fame. Vick should not be in front of the public. If I were an Eagle I would ask to be traded.

  • Sirius2

    Vick is a vicious killer, and will alwaysDo to Vick what he did to those beautiful,Boycott the NFL, boo Vick out of everyVick is a worthless criminal who does not

  • sddogwalker

    As a Catholic, I support forgiving Michael Vick because I’m sure he’s had a lot of time to think about and repent for his sins while he served time in prison. Moreover, he knows that he’s on “borrowed time” as the public has not forgotten and will never forget his crime.

  • ls1123

    This is the problem with America, people make mistakes or commit crimes (based on what the powers that be determine is deviant behavior) and still suffer a lifetime for their crimes.In this country if you serve your time for a crime you were convicted of you should be done. But no, people who serve time can never come back into society and work and have a family and be productive. They are forever affected by something that is in their past and they did their time for. Thank God he has a career that allows him to get a job. Most people can never get a job for a crime they committed years ago and paid the price for. Who are we to continue punsihing someone? This country is backwards. It is not rehabilitation but a life long punishment full of strife, and hardship, and suffering that forces people to commit crimes to begin with!!!!!This man did his time and he has a right to work and take care of his family!!!!! PERIOD!!!!!He doesn’t need to apologize to ANYONE this is crazy. People care more about their dogs more than people. PLEASE. I love dogs but come on. Let the man be and work and be a producitve part of society. I wish him the best!!!

  • qqbDEyZW

    By the standards of Republican Christian Religious Values we can never forgive Vick for abusing animals. He should work and give his money to the SPCA and the rest should go to the Church. When he can’t play football anymore he should be put out to work the fields on someone’s farm.Now Bush kidnapped innocent men/woman/children and tortured/raped/murdered these people. He killed over 1 million people the morning the US invaded and bombed Iraq because the 57 bombs released only 8 hit the target the rest hit innocent family who were sleeping.

  • KellyCat

    I wasn’t personally harmed by Vick’s actions and so it’s no skin off my nose to “forgive” him. The real victims are the many dogs he abused and killed and in the most savage and drawn-out way–so it really should be up to those victims to forgive him. (And I’m pretty sure they won’t.) By the way, if it were up to me, I’d “forgive” Vick but I just don’t care to see him back in the NFL.

  • mbentley

    It is very wrong to allow Mr. Vick to come back to the sport that funded his death camp and his actions. It is setting the wrong example! Allowing Vick to come back says to the youth that you can do the crime and still come back, pick up the peaces and be a rich man. Well somethings are not forgivable! They are just not. And, sometimes sorry is not enough to make it go away. He does not need my forgiveness but I WILL NEVER GET OVER WHAT HE DID TO THOSE DOGS, I WILL NEVER FORGIVE HIM. In the end, G-d will pass judjement on Vick. Dog spelled backward is G-d.

  • norriehoyt

    The Abrahamic religions elevated humankind above animals and both directly and indirectly sanctioned the torture, slaughter and extermination of animals.If anybody should repent of this dog-fighting situation it is those religions.Contrast the Buddhist view that animals and humans have the same inner nature and both may attain enlightenment (salvation).In relation to animals, Buddhism is far more “Christian” than Christianity.

  • mbentley

    The only job he should be allowed to get is picking up dog sh*&t. Not making millions of dollars. That is wrong. He should be on a trash truck, not a Benz.

  • mbentley

    Who cares of the man is black or white or what ever. It is what he did wrong that can’t be forgiven. And, thos of you trying to pull the race card need to sit down and shut up. Or, maybe join somthing that will help your race. And, stop winning like a baby when your boy get caught acting like a fool. To hell with him, no matter what color he is.

  • nadinem

    This isn’t really a matter of people “forgiving” him. When you can personally electrocute a dog, or hold it under water as it struggles for survival, until it’s dead, there are bigger problems here that have nothing to do with him being sorry or us forgiving him…..

  • lioness_ohyes

    @mbentley

  • Fryczka

    I have only seen a few snippets of dog fights on Animal Planet, and they were enough to scar my brain and heart probably forever. That Vick could repeatedly participate in such an inhumane and immoral activity, that he could repeatedly kill no-win dogs in barbaric ways, that he probably thought he could get away with it and only came clean when the police had the evidence against him, says everything about his abominable character. I don’t believe that he is contrite now that he has served his time in prison. His sort of depravity is not rooted out that easily, if at all. I am cynical enough to believe he’s just parroting what his lawyer has told him to say to the public to rebuild his image. I do not forgive him, and probably never will.

  • nonagon

    With his return to the NFL, it’s pretty much a given Vick will become the country’s most influential advocate for animal rights. Regardless of whether you like or hate him, whether you believe his remorse and rehabilitation is sincere or if it is faked, you have to admit that when so many kids and sports fans respect him, his service work and financial support of animal rights groups will help educate those who don’t realize it is not okay to abuse animals. Vick said he intends to now “help more animals than he’s hurt.”

  • intcamd1

    As a lifelong vegetarian and some one who was (hitherto) neutral on Vick and on the Philadelphia Eagles, I have to say, in my opinion, there is a tremendous amount of hypocrisy when it comes to Vick. As far as I know, all the people of this country who routinely eat veal, venison, or even the people that eat beef and chicken are somewhat equally guilty as Vick. From what I know, the barbaric ways in which these cattle and chicken are “farmed” is just as inhumane; and knowing that your little calf was tied from its birth to its slaughter in chains in place, and eating it, well, I don’t know how that is that much worse than whatever Vick did.In my “vegetarian” eyes, there is not much difference between taking a cow’s lfe or a chicken’s life, or a dog’s life, all in a(in my view) inhumane manner.

  • peaceful2008

    For all the Christian Justice Experts:Forgiving Vick is pretty much tied up with forgiving Bush and Cheney. If in your heart you have no problem with the war crimes of GW and DICK, then Vick’s crimes pale in comparison.It is very hard to defend someone like Vick. We all love dogs and what he did was soooo wrong. The only thing I am saying is have

  • peaceful2008

    INTCAMD1,good point!

  • jlgundersen

    Is he planning to come down to the Washington Humane Society and clear Troopers wounds? And pay for all of her hospital fees?

  • onamission

    Michael Vick does not need your forgiveness, the way many think. We look at a person’s outward being and judge by what we see. God, looks at the heart and judges accordingly. The Bible says, “If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” So you see Mr. Stevens-Arroyo, it doesn’t matter if you decide to forgive Mr. Vick or not. However, I would suggest that if you are a Christian that you find it in your heart to forgive, when forgiveness is requested. We are not to judge, or put conditions on our forgiveness. After all, God does not put conditions on His forgiveness, just that we acknowledge and agree that we’ve sinned. Surely, If God being God, can forgive upon request, we as His creation should follow suit. However, we have been given free will, we can do what we want. We will have to answer to God for our actions. Do you want to know that you have followed God’s will or man’s. God is love.

  • ccnl1

    “We all love dogs”.Says who?? What M. Vick was wrong but you don’t have to like dogs to make that conclusion. In Korea for example, dog meat is consumed by the general population. Dogs in the USA might be big business for dog food manufacturers, veterinarians and pet stores but for many in the general population, dogs are engines of defecation (and disease), dirty, loud and a waste of time and resources.

  • cornbread_r2

    Looking for answers on how to treat Michael Vick in a book that proudly chronicles how God drowned 99.9999999999% of all living creatures — for no apparent reason — seems pretty silly.

  • usapdx

    The catholic church before 1960s back had the membership on a guilt complex to control them. Today, few go to the box and many are voteing with their feet. Few are baptized by their own free choice and most members do not beleive in all of the church teachings. What right does any human have to make a rule that if violated is sin? If the pope says “JUMP!”, few will say,” HOW HIGH?”.

  • EdgewoodVA

    Just because someone speaks out against any one crime DOES NOT mean that they approve of any/all others!!! Just because I said, “Oh, the sky is blue,” you’re going to bash me because I didn’t say, “and the grass is green, and that flower’s red, and…?? ” If we took the space here to write about all the atrocities (regardless of the skin tone of the people who committed them) that infuriate us, there’d be no room left for anything else, so STOP it!!

  • coloradodog

    ccnl1

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An Ayatollah’s Gift to Baha’is, Iran’s Largest Religious Minority

An ayatollah offers a beautiful symbolic gesture against a backdrop of violent persecution.

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Atheists Bad, Christians Good: A Review of “God’s Not Dead”

A smug Christian movie about smug atheists leads to an inevitable happy ending.

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Ten Ways to Make Your Church Autism-Friendly

The author of the Church of England’s autism guidelines shares advice any church can follow.

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Pope Francis: Stop the Culture of Waste

What is the human cost of our tendency to throw away?

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“Sometimes You Find Something Quiet and Holy”: A New York Story

In a hidden, underground sanctuary, we were all together for a few minutes in this sweet and holy mystery.

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Mary Magdalene, the Closest Friend of Jesus

She’s been ignored, dismissed, and misunderstood. But the story of Easter makes it clear that Mary was Jesus’ most faithful friend.

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From Passover to Easter: Why I’m Grateful to be Jewish, Christian, and Alive

Passover with friends. Easter with family. It’s almost enough to make you believe in God.

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Top 10 Reasons We’re Glad A Catholic Colbert Is Taking Over Letterman’s “Late Show”

How might we love Stephen Colbert as the “Late Show” host? Let us count the ways.

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God’s Not Dead? Why the Good News Is Better than That

The resurrection of Jesus is not a matter of private faith — it’s a proclamation for the whole world.

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The Three Most Surprising Things Jesus Said

Think you know Jesus? Some of his sayings may surprise you.

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Jesus, Bunnies, and Colored Eggs: An Explanation of Holy Week and Easter

So, Easter is a one-day celebration of Jesus rising from the dead and turning into a bunny, right? Not exactly.