Anti-Abortion Groups Condemn Tiller Murder, Assess Damage to Cause

Jacqueline L. Salmon For the anti-abortion movement, the murder of abortion doctor George Tiller could be seen as big trouble. … Continued

Jacqueline L. Salmon

For the anti-abortion movement, the murder of abortion doctor George Tiller could be seen as big trouble. And anti-abortion groups know it.

Jim Hughes, president of Canada’s Campaign Life Coalition and vice president of the International Right to Life, told LifeSiteNews.com last night that “this sort of violence [is] seriously damaging to the pro-life cause.”

As soon as news broke that Tiller, one of the few doctors in the nation who provided late-term abortions, had been shot while serving as an usher in his Wichita, Kan. church, the statements of regret from anti-abortion groups about the killing started to roll in.

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, said: “As Christians we pray and look toward the end of all violence and for the savings of souls, not the taking of human life.” From Operation Rescue president Troy Newman: “We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place.” Anti-abortion groups plan to gather in front of the Supreme Court this morning to discuss the impact of the killing on the anti-abortion movement and on the Supreme Court.

The murder, and reports that authorities are trying to determine whether suspect Scott Roedert had any connection to antiabortion groups, comes at a particularly awkward time for the anti-abortion groups that operate within the system.

After getting mostly trounced at the ballot box in November, they have gained some momentum recently. Public opinion polls have started to swing their way, at the same time that President Barack Obama has been reaching out to them, and they had hopes that the nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court would put the debate over abortion back in the spotlight.

But the murder threatens to paint all abortion groups with the same brush–as wild-eyed kooks who will stop at nothing to end a practice they regard as heinous. Even if the suspect, or suspects, are found to have no ties to any well-known anti-abortion group, it could be damaging.

  • bevjims1

    spidermean2 wrote: “Christ is the author of the bible. Why would Christ contradict himself by breaking the Sabbath. Actually he did not break the Sabbath. It’s the people who don’t know how to read and understand the Bible.”You mean like those who keep the Sabbath (Saturday) holy by attending worship on Sunday?spidermean2 wrote: “You are confused because you read the bible like an idiot.”Maybe so. Please help me understand. Please explain how the kangaroos hopped to Australia from the ark as the bible implies.

  • spidermean2

    Jesus Christ replied when asked how he had met Abraham.”Before Abrahan was Iam”.Idiots should not read the bible. They will only be confused.c ya later folks

  • JKJ88

    Spidermean2 wrote: Christ is the author of the bible. Why would Christ contradict himself by breaking the Sabbath. Actually he did not break the Sabbath. It’s the people who don’t know how to read and understand the Bible.You would do well to stop calling people idiots, especially when you act like one yourself. A very deluded and ignorant one at that.

  • bevjims1

    spidermean2 wrote: “Read evolution. It’s all about inanimate objects forming themselves alone.”Totally wrong. Evolution is about species evolving into new forms over time through natural selection in a process similar to how farmers form new varieties of domestic animals through artificial selection. You are confusing evolution with the origin of life. The two have no connection at all. Once again making stuff up.

  • BigTunaTim

    @spidermean2: “c ya later folks”NOOOOO come back! Now I’ll never find out what happens after WW3. Creationists on the front lines? Armed spontaneously-generated brains on patrol?? I need to know what supplies to stock up on!

  • Chagasman

    Operation Rescue is a terrorist organization, guilty of aiding and abetting murder. Its members should all be investigated and prosecuted for aiding and abetting murder, especially members like Randall Terry and Mrs. Dinwiddle, who signed their Defense manifesto that states that murder is an acceptable means to an end. The man who is now a suspect in custody is a rabid anti-abortion activist, and a radical right wing anti-government militia nut case. A real, home-grown terrorist. Time for the Justice Department to start investigating and watching the right-wing conservative organizations in this country. They are the ones we should be afraid of, not the Arab terrorists.Anti-abortion activitists: What, you have life so easy that you can spend your time worrying about other peoples lives and morals? Get a life. If you don’t like abortion, don’t get one. Otherwise the fact that it is legal in the US has no effect on your life, nada, none whatsoever. If you don’t want women to get abortions, then volunteer to take the baby and raise it as your own, otherwise, shut up. If you don’t want women to get abortions, then do all you can to ensure that all women have access to free contraceptives, education, and family planning clinics. All too many of you want to make abortion illegal, and make contraceptives illegal, yet don’t want the government to provide family planning services and clinics and free contraceptives, or for that matter, free day care, welfare, education, and everything else that it takes to raise a child. No, you want the mother to endure a life of hardship and pain because you want to impose your will and values and beliefs on her.

  • lee8798

    The Patriot Act defines terrorism as any action – particularly violent actions – which is meant to intimidate the government into changing its policies.This case is a litmus test as to whether or not the Patriot Act is meant to be used as a legitimate tool of government and the law, or as little more than an Enabling Act designed for purposes of Muslim controls and silencing dissent.The accused must be charged as a terrorist, as this act of murder is political, meant to intimidate both the government and supporters of a right to choose, and was carried out as a statement meant to tell us that the accused’s religious belief that abortion should be illegal should be made law.If the accused is not charged as a terrorist, it simply proves that the so-called Patriot Act is not a legitimate legal framework, and should be abolished in its entirety as a racist rush to judgment and a threat to the Constitution.Peace

  • theobserver4

    well said Chagasman

  • homer4

    Who gets murdered next? The pharmacist who provides morning-after pills? The doctor who prescribed them? The homosexual couple who want to be married? The fertility clinic employee that disposes of unwanted embryos? The hate speech promoted by people like Randall Terry and Maggie Gallagher has real-life consequences, but since they don’t pull the trigger or hold the stick, they get away with it, making a living from hate.

  • willandjansdad1

    Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue slammed Obama, called Tiller a mass-murderer and pretty much consigned him to Hell…That is the kind of rhetoric that drives the killers. Just like the Unitarian Church shooter that lived on a diet of Limbaugh and Hannity, there has to be some accountability for the Randall Terrys of the world.

  • mus81

    Let’s please all take a valuable lesson from Dr. Tiller’s murder: Don’t go to church.

  • willandjansdad1

    There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men… spidermean2 wrote: “Also, I think the dinosaurs were mentioned in the Bible. They were referred to as “GIANTS” before the flood occured.Spider…You sir are a moron and like to quote the Bible to aid your efforts to cram your rambling world-view down our throats. You don’t even know your own Holy Book fool. The interpretation of that verse in Genesis is that sons of God, i.e. Angels “came in unto” (had sex with..You are obviously too infantile to grasp this)and produced “Giants”. This is how the early semi-savage Habiru, gathered around the campfire, explained the well-fed city dwelling Canaanites that sometimes had a large warrior among their hosts.

  • willandjansdad1

    The chance of the Taliban gunning me down in my North Carolina Unitarian Church is zero. The chance of a fundie lunatic mowing us down during the blessing of a gay union?????

  • jonesh4

    “Chagasman” I hope everyone reads and grasps what you have said because it is so true. When you talk about these cult like organizations and the constrains that they want to put on you, I hope it strikes a nerd with those groups.They don’t want any sex education, family planning or contraceptives being taught to the public. These are the very things that could curve abortions, pregnancy, teens having sex, etc. It makes no sense but these organizations are not accountable for anything they say or do.

  • sokumina

    Sigh people are attaching stereotypes. If you expect stereotyping to stop don’t use it. I don’t expect all pro-choicers to say “heck yeah let’s kill them babies.” Stop being hypocritical. I am a pro life christian and killing ANYONE goes against the one commandment Jesus gave us above all else, To love your neighbor as yourself. When asked who our neighbors are his answer was everyone. What the killer did to Dr. Tiller was wrong and a sin, plain and simple.

  • kjohnson3

    lee8798,Great post. The political discussion on this should prove lively.

  • kjohnson3

    “George Tiller is in hell today for his many, many murders of life created by God.”rpsboyz,The concept of “hell” exists so that people like you can imagine people you don’t like suffering there.Enjoy.

  • Impartialobserver

    Christianity (and religion generally) is a scary thing… The pro-lifers are terrorists, plain and simple.Send the pro-lifers and other delusional jesus freaks to Gitmo, where they belong… with the other terrorists.

  • Impartialobserver

    The jesus nuts would be funny – like flat earthers – if they weren’t armed and so very very dangerous.

  • BOBSTERII

    Enough with terrorism crap!!!! This ain’t no terrorism act. This is more likely hate crime which happened in the past and it didn’t change any policies or laws nor it would ever. However, it dooes have same effects andn same purpose as terrorism but its just federal offense and punishment will be on that level. Lets mak eit clear; its federal offense, because abortion is practice federaly protected.

  • bevjims1

    BigTunaTim wrote: “@spidermean2: “c ya later folks”Oh that’s easy. Stock up on lots of bibles. Don’t worry about food or water, God will provide, except for the guns, you’ll need lots of guns to keep the liberals away from … your … err … bibles. And no medicine … prayer will take care of any swine flu or other disease liberals unleash on mankind. Guns and bibles, yea, that’s the WW3 survival ticket!

  • kjohnson3

    bobsterll wrote: “Enough with terrorism crap!!!! This ain’t no terrorism act. This is more likely hate crime which happened in the past and it didn’t change any policies or laws nor it would ever. However, it dooes have same effects andn same purpose as terrorism but its just federal offense and punishment will be on that level. Lets mak eit clear; its federal offense, because abortion is practice federaly protected.”bob,Enough with the semi-literate ranting!!!!If you can write more intelligibly than this, stop being so lazy and take some time with your posts.If you can’t write more intelligibly, then go button-hole people on street corners to tell them what you think.

  • kjohnson3

    “Guns and bibles, yea, that’s the WW3 survival ticket!”What, no Moon-Pies?

  • theobserver4

    I originally was neutral on the issue. But once I found out the methods of mid to late abortion I was horrified. Tales of nurses forced to sit in a room with the baby in a bucket, who is capable of living on its own, wailing itself to death. The nurse being helpless to save the baby for even touching it to save it is against the law.-These are very extreme circumstances on which you’re drawing a line in the sand. Very early responsible decisions based on ability to care for the child, rape and incest should be a woman’s right. The morning after pill should nip this conversation up, but dragging out vacuum tubes and garbage pail stories tears at everyone’s heart. Don’t confuse or distort the discussion to make a claim that pro choice = late term abortions where a baby could survive on its own. That’s horrid.

  • fred4945

    I lived in Wichita in 1991 when “Operation Rescue” dominated that city for a month or more. As I recall, over 3,000 were arrested.I was undecided about the abortion issue at the time, so I went down to Dr. Tiller’s clinic to see the protests for myself.No decent person would ever want himself or her children exposed to the foul-mouthed verbal abuse being spouted by those christians. It was the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen.Police who had to control the mess later commented that the most abusive member of the group was Rev. Terry, who cussed them like a sailor.That’s the god-fearing minister of the gospel and protector of life Randall Terry. To say Terry and his ilk are not culpabable for Dr. Tiller’s death because they didn’t pull the trigger is to say Joseph Goebbels had no responsibility for the Holocaust because he never killed a Jew.You can bet Terry & Co. are privately chortling, “We finally got someone to off Tiller” as they publicly claim, “We didn’t do it; you can’t blame us!”Actually, we can.

  • BOBSTERII

    Posted by: kjohnson3 | June 1, 2009 2:12 PM bob,My apologies for confusion to your brain. Must have hurt you pretty bad to think and figure out what the hell this Bob wrote. I should have thought that there are mentaly disabled people tryig to read my technical posts.

  • BOBSTERII

    Let the pro lifers yap and yap. Pro Choice gives them that “choice” as well, to yap. Pro Coice is legal and now Pro Life is illegal.

  • bevjims1

    What, no Moon-Pies?Ahhh Moon-Pies. I was watching “How Its Made” last week and saw how Moon Pies were made. The next day I ran to the nearest convenience store and bought and ate a Moon Pie. Mmmmmm … Moon Pies. I started to get a little dizzy though, then saw and spoke to God who said Moon Pies would be the death of me. At first I thought he meant my high blood pressure and chlosterol, but it later became evident, when an angel tried to have sex with me to make a giant, the angel said that Moon Pies will CAUSE WW3!So no, NO Moon Pies after WW3. No Moon Pies now. Moon Pies must be stopped! NO Moon Pies For YOU! Its in the bible if you knew how to read the bible. Its plain to anyone who can read!:”Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:”And why won’t the moon “give her light” ? Because it will be covered in smooth creamy chocolate! Moon Pies are a warning from God. Repent!c u later…

  • demtse

    Roeder single-handedly assured the confirmation of Sonia Sotomayor. You did a “great job” there Scottie.

  • sokumina

    -These are very extreme circumstances on which you’re drawing a line in the sand. Very early responsible decisions based on ability to care for the child, rape and incest should be a woman’s right. The morning after pill should nip this conversation up, but dragging out vacuum tubes and garbage pail stories tears at everyone’s heart.Don’t confuse or distort the discussion to make a claim that pro choice = late term abortions where a baby could survive on its own. That’s horrid.>>>I never said that all pro-choice was like that and it is extreme but it still happens. I don’t mind the morning after pill either. I am just saying there is always adoption options and babies deserve to live whether their parents want them or not. *shrugs*

  • MrZ2

    Murder and butchery in the Name of Jesus Christ, the “Prince of Peace”. The “Christian” problem (in contrast to other religions) started in 300-ACE when Rome established the first “Christian” church and abandoned the teachings and ways of Jesus and replaced it with their own self-enriching dogma.One of their such-dogmatic laws is: “Believe as we say, or we will kill you.” Two of the best-known examples of this on a mass scale are the Inquisitions: the Medieval Inquisitions and the Spanish Inquisitions. The Roman Catholic Church turned mass butchery in the “Name of Jesus Christ” into an art form. Jews suffered horrifically under the Roman Catholic Church for two millennia as did other non-believers.The Lutherans were the enablers of the Nazi Holocaust that slaughtered Jews.The Southern Baptists (KKK) were the enablers of the widespread torture and murder of blacks in the South.Go to church and get murdered by a devout Christian, a person who is busy carrying out Jesus’ ministry of love as modified by the Roman Catholic Church.

  • info53

    The comment by Randall Terry, speaking for Operation Rescue, doesn’t repudiate this sort of domestic terrorism at all. He’s cheering for and condoning the murder, by stressing that abortionists be pursued “…at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches”. That he grudgingly added “peacefully” fools no one.It’s time to put anti-terrorism laws to their proper use, undermining and jailing these homegrown Taliban wanna-bees, rather than persecuting groups protesting Bush’s war crimes, as they have been wrongly used throughout the last administration’s tenure. The threats to our country from within will come from the paranoid, nutcase right wingers, convinced that their “God” will grant them the equivalent of “20 virgins in paradise” by committing murder in his name.

  • postamerican

    I’m pro life and pro choice, because I am pro freedom. If you want to live in a natio where Abortion is illegal and they hang gays, then move to Iran or Saudi Arabia. Here in the U.S. Homeland, it is to each his own, and mind your business. Focus on your own family, no one is perfect. Don’t throw stones. Love your enemy. How can any empowered and informed member of society still be a Republican or Democrat, stuck on these left/right divisions. We are all Post American. regards

  • marcedward1

    Comments like Randel Terry’s reflect what most prolife people are saying online. Even here people pretend to condemn the murder than celebrate the death and the dead man burning in hell. Let’s face facts – most prolife people are ignorant, brutal and bestial people. They are no better than the Taliban or Al Qaeda.

  • pgr88

    Abortion claims its thirty-million and first victim

  • marcedward1

    It’s clearly time to put the pro-life groups on the list of suspected terrorist groups. They have no place in the USA anymore. There are plenty of countries where abortion is illegal they can move to. Under no circumstances should any member of a prolife group be able to get government work, fly in our airspace, own a gun, adopt children or teach in public schools. These people are scum.

  • hacksaw

    What a crock; “pro life” talking heads are to blame for this. You advocate this kind of action and then hide behind the bible when someone actually takes your rhetoric seriously. You people are so hypocritical; this just is another example.

  • patmatthews

    A simple issue. The pro-life group is represented by murderers and the like. Pro-lifers want to say the good dead doctor was a life taker, but the truth by law the person that took his life is a murderer. simple.If you want to argue about the issue of abortion, it was decided by Roe V. Wade and no further issues are required, unless there is a desire to redress this area again.Patrick

  • lswonder

    When one upholds the right to carry guns and calls those who advocate choice “babykillers”, one can’t divorce himself from the consequences. I would be more than willing to vote against abortions with the exception of rape, incest and health of the mother if the right would then try to convince even those few who abort with calm reason. Putting women and doctors in jail may make pro-lifers feel better, but it won’t reduce abortions. Promoting contraception will reduce abortions. But that makes sex for fun, and the right won’t allow that!

  • MaryMeehan

    Dr. George Tiller specialized in late-term abortions. He often took the lives of children with Down Syndrome or other disabilities. How could anyone see him as a hero? The real heroes are health professionals, special-ed teachers, and family members who make life better for such children.Norma McCorvey, Bernard Nathanson, Beverly McMillan, Anthony Levatino, Carol Everett, and others once worked in abortion clinics–but long ago turned away from that grisly work. They believe that life-giving alternatives are the right response to difficult pregnancies. It’s a tragedy that Dr. Tiller didn’t join them.

  • info53

    The murderer of Dr. Tiller must be made an example of. If politicians tiptoe around the case, trying to ingratiate themselves with the evangelical fringe, this incident will be viewed as tacit approval of murdering anyone you disagree with.I hear threats against judges are becoming more numerous. When internal terrorists can hold the medical profession and our lawmakers hostage out of fear, the disintegration of the rule of law will continue. To murder a man in a house of worship in broad daylight demands swift justice. Let’s make sure this one doesn’t slip through the cracks of controversy.

  • Aiasha

    God is the God of life. Dr. Tiller destroyed the life of over 60,000 human beings by his own admission. He was wrong to do this. People are wrong to support death of human beings whether a human judge decided in court it is legal. An action can be legal and still wrong. The Nazis’ made it legal to kill Jews. That was wrong.It is very clear that America has lost it’s way when it lost the understanding of the sanctity of life. All person’s have the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. In spite of errant Judges and legal proceedings.

  • j2hess

    “But the murder threatens to paint all abortion groups with the same brush–as wild-eyed kooks who will stop at nothing to end a practice they regard as heinous. …… Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue. “George Tiller was a mass-murderer. … Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the Law of God. We must continue to expose them in our communities and peacefully protest them at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches.”Any anti-abortion organization that doesn’t speak out against Terry’s rhetoric is inviting the comparison.

  • steve44122

    Not every pro-lifer is pro-life.. Ones who smoke around their children, drive with their little ones in the front seat without a child seat, and do other abuses to the young are not pro-life…

  • rpsboyz

    As a pro-life, Born-Again Christian, I find the killing of George Tiller to be uncalled for plain wrong. The man that killed Tiller is no better than George Tiller. George Tiller was a murderer for killing unborn babies but God is the ultimate judge. George Tiller is in hell today for his many, many murders of life created by God.

  • nagatuki

    Are you kidding? THEY DON’T MEAN IT.If they really cared about this issue they wouldn’t get their protesters all worked up, frothing at the mouth and yelling at every blessed event in this country.Did they really expect that not one of their “supporters” wouldn’t take matters into their own hands?Check out the comments from “right-to-life” people on the Post article; they are all _glad_ the man is dead. That’s the face of the “movement,” and these insincere @#$@# know it.

  • chopin224

    Now it is time to hear from those pro-lifers for the death penalty. These are the folks that abhor abortion yet condone the death penalty. Despite the apparent contradiction there are many that fit this description. The guy who killed this doctor deserves the death penalty.

  • screwyou

    There’s no damage to their cause, this is the goal of their cause. Put them on the terrorist group list and start rounding them up, they’re more dangerous than bin Laden at this point.

  • daler1

    There is a reason for the broad brush – fair or not. Most people never see the civil anti-abortion people who respect those on the other side. In my own case, my only exposure is the folks I see when I drive past a medical clinic on the way to my grocery store. All I see are people who heckle and harrass young women going are trying to see their doctor.

  • adamwho

    Groups that support this type of action even implicitly need to be on a terrorist watch list. There are organization that target doctors, posting their private information online and keep a “death watch” timer.

  • bevjims1

    “Anti-Abortion Groups Brace for Backlash from Tiller Murder”As they should. You reap what you sow. But I do not expect them to accept any accountability. Those on the right rarely do. Remember the “few bad apples” at Abu Graib? Now we hear that not only is torture ok but was activily encouraged at high levels with Cheney himself telling us now that it was absolute critical. I wonder if any who are applauding the murder of this doctor in a church see any similarity with shootings and bombings of people in mosques in the Muslim world. The American Taliban exposed, and it was not just a bad apple. It needs to be called what it is, organized religious terrorism and no different than what we see in the Muslim world. And those who are anti-abortion but are horrified that anti-abortion hate speech lead to this should reconsider their support and who they support. You reap what you sow, stop sowing the seeds of hatred.

  • jjj33

    I’m a prolifer, but neither I or the millions of reasonable prolife supporters in the US condone this horrible, hypocritical, unlawful act. The right to life is a truth that applies to all and must be resolutely addressed in a legal, peaceful, prayerful manner.

  • Brix

    While “pro-life” instigators are expressing their couched sympathies and pretending to denounce the assassination, their followers openly celebrate death and their ability to use murder and intimidation to deny safe and professional health care to women in need.You can’t repeatedly yell “fire” in a crowded theatre, and then profess shock when people are killed. This country needs to take a sober look at the type of people who follow these organizations, and at the callous methods its leaders are using to incite them to these atrocities.

  • screwyou

    If you’re a member of these groups, JJJ33, you’re not peaceful. Although you may not have pulled the trigger, you’re part of the movement that supports and produces these terrorists. If that bothers you, then you need to make changes for yourself and your movement. For the majority of us outside of these organizations, there is no difference between those quietly standing by the terrorists and the terrorists themselves.

  • geoff21

    If these anti-abortion groups really meant what they said, the least they could do is show the man a bit of respect by calling him “Dr. Tiller.” By referring to him as “Mr. Tiller,” they are continuing to spit in his face even in death. And I don’t think for a second that this omission is accidental.

  • KeithMG

    When you demonize a person, call him “murderer” for decades and, after repeated attacks on his person and property, he is assassinated, you must bear some responsibility. Randall Terry, founder and former head of Operation Rescue, was at least true to himself in celebrating Tiller’s death. The Mary Kay Culps, the Phill Klines, the Bishop Jackels-those outspoken leaders against abortion-are just making some CYA moves to absolve themselves.

  • swanieaz

    You Are VERY SELECTIVE in the quotes you select.For example, my selection is Randall Terry of Operation Rescue, who said in part “…”George Tiller was a mass-murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God. I am more concerned that the Obama Administration will use Tiller’s killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions. Abortion is still murder. And we still must call abortion by its proper name; murder….”The pro-abortion fanatics are in part responsible for this MURDER. And, somebody, please remind your readers that abortion IS LEGAL IN THE UNITED STATES.Disgusting conduct on the part of these fanatics.

  • swanieaz

    The ONLY difference between terrorists like Osama bin Laden and the Tony Perkins, Troy Newman, and the Randal Terry-types of this world is in degree.They ARE ALL TERRORISTS ! ! .

  • m_mcmahon

    Contrary to what has been written in this column the rank and file do not condemn this murder, or if they do they condemn it in couched language. What I see here is that if you, the “pro-life” right, do not agree with a particular law or right you attack it and attack it in terms that make it sound as if the law or right is in fact wrong therefore any actions taken to circumvent that law or right are justified. Example being the current murder of Dr Tiller. The “pro-Life” right will argue about the morality of abortion, which is in fact legal, and they will justify the murder in terms of the morality of abortion, as so many have already…read the right wing blogs and punditry it’s there, they did and continue to do so with Mathew Shepard in a similar vein also. The “pro-life” right will also talk about the sanctity of religion and yet a “pro-life” terrorist, face it that is what this guy is, armed with the rhetoric and vitrol handed to him by the “pro-Life” movement murdered (A violation of the commandments I believe) a man in a church and if the early news reporting is accurate encouraged people to harass Dr Tiller in his church. So much for respecting religion, I guess that is reserved only for his own religion.

  • Reader31

    For years I have wondered why these people call themselves “pro-life.” They are anti-life. Not only do they feel the Government should decide if you should carry a pregnancy to term, but MOST of them are pro-war, pro-gun, and pro-capital punishment. Let’s see…..what does a gun do? What happens as a result of war? Even if someone is evil and in prison….isn’t that person “life”? Of course, murdering doctors who perform abortions has been going on for a long time.

  • edbyronadams

    There is a real difference between the Christian and Muslim reaction to religiously sanctified murder. All the heads of organized anti abortion groups in this country will condemn this vigilante action and almost all conservative preachers will condemn it from the pulpit.If only the same was true in Muslim majority nations.

  • ScottChallenger

    They are not Pro-life, that’s the irony. They never have been. They are anti-choice. Hear that? You guys have officially forfeited the use of the phrase Pro-life. Your misuse and abuse of the phrase is hereby over.Please join me in casting pure disgust and hate upon the anti-choice crowd. Every single one of you is responsible for the murderer’s deeds. Every single one of you has blood on his hands. You, Tony Perkins, you have the most, and wipe that smirk off your face before someone does it for you. For all we know, Mr. Tiller was about to stumble upon the cure for cancer. Thanks alot you frick’n losers.

  • screwyou

    Christian leaders are carefully “condemning” this attack in legalistic language, with a wink to their flocks that lets them know it’s all for the cameras. The bulk of their statements focus on their opposition to choice, which stands as their justification and support for the murder. The difference between the mullahs and the televangelicals is perhaps only that the mullahs are more honest about their positions.

  • GaryEMasters

    No person can favor this murder and be Christian.

  • sux123

    Where is the government and why aren’t they investigating these hate groups that pretend to be “religious” groups???? Investigate the Televangelists and the mega churches. Take away thier tax-exempt status since they are only businesses in disguise and investigate their hate mongering and crimes. WAKE UP, AMERICA. The Taliban are not just in Pakistan, they are right here in USA.

  • pippsk

    Between 25% and 50% of all pregnancies are spontaneously aborted. Try and imagine how many fetuses/babies that is. It’s far, far more than are medically aborted. What do you suppose God does with all those spontaneously aborted souls?

  • spidermean2

    What’s the relation between atheism and abortion, gay marriage and abortion, or evolution and abortion?I wonder why all these stupid people (atheists, evolutionsts and gay marriage supporters) are usaully pro-abortion. Is STUPIDITY the common denominator?It’s a sad thing that the doctor died abruptly. No time to ask for forgiveness for the sins he had committed. All abortionists and their supporters should ponder how God will judge them.It’s almost impossible to think that a fetus killer can go heaven, isn’t it? I can’t comprehend the idea in which a God will reward an abortionist a place in heaven. It just does not make sense. That’s the reason why real christians can’t or should not kill abortionists. It’s like sending them directly to hell, which is a very horrendous place. I pity the doctor and all the pro-abortionists. Repent or perish.

  • bevjims1

    spidermean2 wrote: “I wonder why all these stupid people (atheists, evolutionsts and gay marriage supporters) are usaully pro-abortion. And I wonder why those who build museums to creationism and kill abortion doctors to “save lives”, consider themselves “christians”. And I also wonder why they run away when asked how kangaroos hopped form the ark to Australia.spidermean2 wrote: “Is STUPIDITY the common denominator?”You betcha!

  • lildg54

    The Pro-Life group are nothing more than terrorist, they are just like the Taliban. I appreciate their right ot their view but DO NOT impose on me. How self righteous and sanctimonious they are it is ok for them to kill for their cause ………….What would Jeses do he would hate these people .

  • dotellen

    PIPPSK, the percent of spontaneous abortions is actually more like 63%, the conclusion of a study done at Johns Hopkins. These are fertilized eggs that fail to implant or fail to develop. According to the anti-abortionists (I agree they have forfeited the right to call themselves “pro-life”), each of these has a soul and is therefore sacred. There are SO many things wrong with this claim! In the first place, God created an ENTIRE universe, it is only humans who claim to be the greatest of God’s creations, an arrogant and unprovable claim. Furthermore, it is obvious that the anti-abortionists care NOTHING about the breathing, thinking, often suffering human child.There’s a logarithmic formula that relates world population to deaths due to poverty and disease.Save those children before shedding crocodile tears for fetuses. (BTW, the exponential factor is 3.93. Use a ratio.)

  • shoegal_69

    I hope the guy who killed Tiller gets the death penalty. An eye for an eye, right?

  • bevjims1

    spidermean2 wrote: “It’s a sad thing that the doctor died abruptly. No time to ask for forgiveness for the sins he had committed.”Maybe you should be wishing he had not been shot at all? spidermean2 wrote: “All abortionists and their supporters should ponder how God will judge them.”As should those who support the groups that sent this murderer on his journey.spidermean2 wrote: “It’s almost impossible to think that a fetus killer can go heaven, isn’t it?”The bible says those who cause abortions are, at most, to pay a fine.spidermean2 wrote: “I can’t comprehend the idea in which a God will reward an abortionist a place in heaven.”Maybe because you have no idea who God is.spidermean2 wrote: “It just does not make sense.”Sense? What doesn’t make sense is driving 200 miles to kill a man ushering in a church. So much for “pro-life”. Hate always leads to suffering. The doctor killed no one. He is in heaven.spidermean2 wrote: “That’s the reason why real christians can’t or should not kill abortionists. It’s like sending them directly to hell, which is a very horrendous place.”That is the reason why? Not the inherent right of this doctor to his life or the commandment against murder?spidermean2 wrote: “I pity the doctor and all the pro-abortionists. Repent or perish.”I pity all those who support these groups that vilify and demonize those who are pro-choice. They preach hatred and hatred only leads to one result. This murderer was given his rationalization and support by others. They are the ones destined for hell, not the late doctor.

  • spidermean2

    bevjims wrote “I also wonder why they run away when asked how kangaroos hopped form the ark to Australia.”This is the reason why atheists should not have a bible. They make wild conclusions. A product of their wild imagination like bacteria turning into kangaroos. The kangaroos in Australia was created the same way as sheeps were. Not from bacteria. Idiot?

  • RedDragonLady

    Men should stay out of this subject until they are able to give birth themselves.

  • thomasmc1957

    Department of Homeland Security must immediately investigate all right wing terrorist groups, and send their leaders to Gitmo for waterboarding, until they tell us where the ticking time-bomb is!

  • BigTunaTim

    @rpsboyz: “As a pro-life, Born-Again Christian, I find the killing of George Tiller to be uncalled for plain wrong.”And that is why many people have zero respect for born-again “Christians”. You fanatics are the American Taliban, and you just martyred Dr. Tiller. Now enjoy the backlash and the annihilation of any “progress” you made in the past 3 decades.

  • spidermean2

    bevjims wrote “They are the ones destined for hell, not the late doctor. “Do you mean those who remind people not to kill fetuses go to hell and those who kill fetuses goes to heaven. Check out your brain. It’s not functioning well. Maybe a result of too much evolution.Maybe evolutionist think this way : “Fetus, you are NOT FIT to live, so die; afterall this world is survival of the fittest”.

  • bevjims1

    spidermean2 responded: “The kangaroos in Australia was created the same way as sheeps were. Not from bacteria. Idiot?I never asked how they were created, I asked how they hopped from the ark after the flood to the island of Australia. If you can’t explain a simple inconsistency in the bible why do you think anyone should trust your biblical views?

  • GOPNAZI

    Judging by the wack job comments by our indigenous “Pro-Life” Taliban Fundamentalists who support this murder one can see that the “Pro-Life” emperor has no clothes. Every “Pro-Life” nut I have ever met has the fundamental beliefs in God, Guns, War, and Saving the Unborn? Serious consideration should be made to classify this bizarre mindset as a form of mental illness. I look forward to seeing the “Pro-Life” syndrome listed in the next edition of the DSM-V codes.

  • arrested_development

    “I pity the doctor and all the pro-abortionists. Repent or perish.”"George Tiller was a murderer for killing unborn babies…George Tiller is in hell today for his many, many murders of life created by God.”Thanks for confirming that Xtianity and fascism are related. The anti-abortion people are rejoicing, in private.Scott Roeder, Paul Hill, James Kopp: one common thread: Xtianity.

  • BigTunaTim

    @edbyronadams: “If only the same was true in Muslim majority nations.”Your ignorance is exceeded only by your bigotry, and perhaps your gullibility. Do you think our drive-by media is going to focus on those urging restraint and tolerance, or those inciting a riot and burning US flags in the streets? Assuming all Muslims are fanatics is equal to assuming that all Americans are ignorant gun-toting redneck Klan members.

  • shoegal_69

    Maybe we should start water-boarding our domestic terrorist.

  • spidermean2

    bevjims, check your bible again. No kangaroo is mentioned in it. At least make rational questions and not ideas coming from wild imagination.A better question would be why are there no native elephants in Australia. Maybe they can’t swim from the Ark?

  • vilebastage

    @REDDRAGONLADYThe subject of abortion is open to both sexes and all races regardless of who gives birth. If the tax dollars of the people have to pay for the care of orphans or post-abortion medical expenses, then we have the right to say whatever we want. Not that any of this really matters…

  • arrested_development

    “I’m a prolifer, but neither I or the millions of reasonable prolife supporters in the US condone this horrible…unlawful act.”You cannot be serious. Anti-abortion people are rejoicing in private.

  • arrested_development

    “No person can favor this murder and be Christian.”‘More blood has been shed for the Kingdom of Christ, than for any other cause.’ Montesquieu

  • buddecj

    Murder is murder. Late term abortions save the life of the mother. Late term abortions are a vital medical option for women. The rest of this nonsense is just that.

  • cnj5954

    A former co-worker(evangelical) once commented to me that she was praying that Eric Rudolph would not get caught. I reminded her that Mr. Rudolph’s actions -the bombing in Olympic Park in Atlanta -resulted in a young girl waking up in the hospital and finding out that her mother was killed by the blast that also sent her to the hospital. The co-worker looked at me as though she were in a daze.

  • spidermean2

    The question we ask should be : Is it ok to kill fetuses and still be confident to face God?What’s the probability that a fetus killer would be rewarded a place in Heaven? Just examining who are the people who support abortion (atheists, evolutionists, gay marriage supporters), gives us an idea that the probability is so low or zero.

  • bevjims1

    spidermean2 wrote: “bevjims, check your bible again. No kangaroo is mentioned in it.”No dinosaurs either.spidermean2 wrote: “At least make rational questions and not ideas coming from wild imagination.”All I’m asking is how the kangaroos made it from the ark, after the flood, to the island of Australia. You do believe the bible is accurate no? You do believe the story of the ark no? The bible said ALL animals were put on the ark. Kangaroos exist to day and so acording to the bible they could only exist of they had been on the ark. How did they get off the ark and make it to Australia? Its a simple question, why do you dance around it and run away from it?spidermean2 wrote: “A better question would be why are there no native elephants in Australia. Maybe they can’t swim from the Ark?”No, they did not evolve there. But there were close relatives to the elephant in the Americas a long time ago. We find their bones to prove it. How did they get to the Americas from the ark but not the elephants? I’m glad to see you asking good questions. Why not start answering some?

  • edbyronadams

    “Assuming all Muslims are fanatics is equal to assuming that all Americans are ignorant gun-toting redneck Klan members.”Did I refer Muslims using the word “all”? The difference is in the support for the terrorists. Eric Rudolf got caught because he was dumpster diving. Osama has enough support so that he isn’t caught. There is no “all” when you are referring to the sentiments of a group of people, there is just relative support and Muslims support their terrorists more than Christians do.

  • semidouble

    Being pro-life killer? How absurd and hypocritical is that? What a sad story in the 21st century! People who have absolutely no business in the affairs of strangers, are driven by deities, fairies, talking snakes, unicorns and other ancient fairy tales. Please you fundies get all together, move to the north Pole and give back the Planet to the Rationalists/Humanists/Realists!!!

  • Paganplace

    Yeah, those poor anti-choice groups calling not just abortion doctors, but anyone not right-wing ‘baby-killers’ and ‘mass murderers,’ …denounce the ‘isolated incidents’ when their followers get violent, while ‘justifying’ their actions. And they worry someone’s gonna get the ‘wrong idea.’No, we’ve had the picture a long time, now.

  • sux123

    The question we ask should be : Is it ok to kill fetuses and still be confident to face God?No, the question is what’s the probability that an all seeing, all powerfull God exists at all and that he decided to reveal himself to some bronze age yokels on this planets rump 2000 years ago and then to stay hidden from then on. About zero.

  • spidermean2

    bevjims wrote “The bible said ALL animals were put on the ark.”Maybe all animals present on that particular age only. Also, I think the dinosaurs were mentioned in the Bible. They were referred to as “GIANTS” before the flood occured. It’s more believable to think that these dinosaurs all died of drowning contrary to evolutionists’ idea that asteroids killed them all. You guys are lousy fiction writers. Those asteroids must be sharp shooters to target just dinosaurs.

  • spidermean2

    sux123 wrote “and then to stay hidden from then on”Hidden only to those who are blind. God is everywhere if you know how to use your brain.

  • Brix

    A late term life-threatening complication to a pregnancy is tragic. For a family that expected and wanted a child, it’s horrible, and the choices that face them are awful.Dr Tiller spent his life insuring that women had access to the best possible medical care under these conditions. He risked, and eventually gave his life standing firm against hatred and ignorance to do what was right. He was a hero in every sense of the word.What will be the result, when these anti-choice organizations succeed in their campaign of murder and intimidation and actually manage to eliminate all access to safe professional medical care for these families? What on earth does that have to do with being “pro-life”? And they’re frighteningly close to accomplishing this.According to this article, we’re supposed to be sympathetic to the Family Research Council’s ruminations about how it can spin this assassination. God forbid it becomes an obstacle in their quest to elect Republicans.How about if instead the authors spend just a few seconds thinking about all the families that Dr Tiller helped over his lifetime, and all the families that he’s not going to be able to help in the future, and what you might have done differently to help prevent this atrocity.

  • Paganplace

    It doesn’t help for atheists to concede the field of spirituality to the Spidermeans and ‘Pro-life’ extremist party elements. It’s quite possible to have a religious and spiritual life without making it all about ‘hating liberals’ or forcing women to carry fetuses that won’t live for the full term to satisfy their ignorance of medicine.

  • sux123

    Hidden only to those who are blind. God is everywhere if you know how to use your brain.

  • Martial

    No matter what your opinon of Mr. Terry might be, there is no excuse for blaming him for this murder. If it could be shown that Mr. Terry supplied the fellow weapons, provided plans, or some other dastardly act, matters would differ.At one point, African Americans were tarred by virtue of their skin color for rapes and murders committed by criminals within their community. Let those of all persuasions on this issue avoid this heinous tactic. It is unfortunate that Mr. Terry’s group should even have to issue a condemnation of an act for which it bears not the slightest culpability.

  • bevjims1

    spidermean2 wrote: “Maybe all animals present on that particular age only.”Oh, so kangaroos evolved from something else?spidermean2 wrote: “Also, I think the dinosaurs were mentioned in the Bible. They were referred to as “GIANTS” before the flood occured. It’s more believable to think that these dinosaurs all died of drowning contrary to evolutionists’ idea that asteroids killed them all. You guys are lousy fiction writers. Those asteroids must be sharp shooters to target just dinosaurs.”If you believe the dinosaurs all drowned during the flood and that is why they are no longer around then you deny the bible, which says ALL animals were placed on the ark:Genesis 6:19-22 “And of every living thing, of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind to the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground according to its kind, two of every kind shall come into you, to keep them alive. Also take with you every kind of food that is eaten, and store it up; and it shall serve as food for you and for them.” Noah did this; He did all that God commanded him.”So, what you are saying is that Noah did not do all that God commended him by leaving some 1,000 dinosaur species to be drowned by the flood, and so the bible is very wrong, on this account anyway. I’m surprised you do not know your bible well enough to know ALL animals were on the ark(or God is a liar), so it is likely there are other parts of the bible you do not know very well either.

  • Buddydog

    Don’t forget those pro-lifers who cheer, rather than protest, every time we go to war. Seems like a lot of selectivity in which sort of death they choose to abhor.Pro-lifers: I’m sure most of you don’t condone murder, but you must face up to your role in the atmosphere you’ve created. You’ve framed the debate not as policy, but as a literal matter of life-or-death, evoking the imagery of the holocaust and baby-killers. You bear the same responsibility as the the radical imams who preach intolerance at mosques and madrassahs; you may not be responsible for pulling any triggers, but you happily provided the philosophical underpinnings for those more inclined to strike out in violence. I hope this event results in some soul-searching so we can all come back down to earth and talk about this issue like adults.

  • Laz1

    I am glad that the influences of FOX, Rush, Hannity and AM talk have taken affect. The police officer in Pittsburg was gunned down because the guy thought they were coming to take his guns. Everyone is buying assault rifles because of press from the right. The claims of communism, Chavez and Castro. The GOP demanded an apology from a DHS report that right wing terrorism might rise and their are talks of succession in Texas. I look forward to seeing what is next………All right wing nut jobs all need to move to Texas and the rest of the country would assist in expediting the process of succession. I think a large fence like the one in Israel would be needed.

  • ds1123

    hey spidey,Tell me I’m a sinner I got news for you

  • fletc3her

    I sure hope their cause is damaged. Any groups which advocate the killing of family doctors for any reason should be labeled the terrorists they are and dealt with harshly by law enforcement.

  • argh2

    “Pro-life”, they say. Pro-murder is more like it. These anti-abortionists are the tools of Satan.

  • spidermean2

    It’s a bit mindbloggling how atheists make a hero out of a fetus killer and at the same time see God as some kind of an evil person.Check out your brains folks. Maybe it’s turned upside down. You don’t have to be an abortionist to save a woman whose pregnancy endangers her life.

  • cwauyeung

    Why do arrogrant and imposing pro-lifers assume that we all believe in the same God and that their God gets to make the rules for everyone?

  • captainkona

    This has nothing to do with religion.This guy is a Domestic Conservative Terrorist just like Eric Rudolph or Jim Adkisson.

  • map529

    “Damage to the Cause”?These groups who seek to oppress others in the name of religion are now concerned about “Damage to the Cause”? Where was the concern for the so-called damage when they were saying abortion is murder and that those who perform abortions are murders and should be dealt with as such? Did they not think that all the years they spent exhorting their followers to action, it would (as it has over the years) resulted in murders. But what do you expect from so-called Christians who use God’s name to oppress and commit murder–after all, I’ve never met a right-wing Christian (Republican conservative) who opposed the death penalty, or war. I suppose they want women to have children to feed their their lust for blood. Way to kill in God’s name.

  • spidermean2

    bevjims wrote “Oh, so kangaroos evolved from something else?”Crocodiles, snakes, birds all come from eggs and not from bacteria. Evolution is a myth, ok?You should be afraid if evolution is true coz by the way you are thinking, you could evolve into a monkey.

  • captainkona

    Spidermean the fake Christian said:”It’s a bit mindbloggling how atheists make a hero out of a fetus killer and at the same time see God as some kind of an evil person.”It’s a bit mindboggling how Satanic vermin like yourself give Jesus a bad name with your misrepresentation of scripture and the fact that fetal life is the only life you care about.That’s the way it always is with Right Wing fringe loons.

  • incredulousinBoyntonBeach

    I truly resent being told by anyone that he or she “knows” what G-d wants or thinks. My ancestors were murdered because somebody’s “god” told him or her that my ancestors were worshipping the “wrong” G-d. I can provide Biblical chapter and verse to back up anything — and its vice-versa as well. If G-d wanted us to be idiots, (s)he wouldn’t have given us brains to waste.

  • Sylvain1

    Hello,

  • Matthew_DC

    One can be an atheist and oppose abortion, as Margaret Sanger (founder of the organization which turned into Planned Parenthood) did. It’s not always about religion. I think abortion is wrong on purely secular humanist grounds. As for one group trying to impose its views on society, that’s what politics is all about. All kinds of ideas are in constant competition. Why should anti-abortion ideas be excluded from the ideological battle?The killing of this doctor should not silence mainstream anti-abortion groups. Such violent actions have almost no public support and rarely happen.

  • johnnormansp

    I have argued the question of religion with many Christians, and after it is proved to them that their beliefs have no basis in reason or logic (like an adult, morbid and guilt-ridden version of Santa Claus) they always, 100% of the time, fall back on the idea of “Well, it is FAITH, and if I WANT to believe it, who am I hurting?” To all such Christians, may I point out the obvious answer — you are not hurting anyone with your “faith” until you start trying to impose it on others. You have know way of knowing if what you “believe” is even true. Lighten up, and let others “sin” if they wish. Imposing your FAITH on others is contradiction of your own Golden Rule. Would you like other people to impose their beliefs on you?In regard to Operation Rescue, remember how they like to demonstrate with tape over their mouths? Now the tape has a new meaning. It symbolizes how Tiller will never again speak, shot down by someone who could very well have been incited by the Operation Rescue’s “Tiller Watch” Internet page, which they removed from Internet immediately after the shooting. Were they ashamed of it, or trying to run from any legal implication in the murder?

  • cwauyeung

    Matthew C-The debate does not need to be taken off the table, but the religious ideology needs to be taken off the table. We cannot make laws out of religious doctrine because we were built on a very simple idea — Separation of Church and State!Religious ideology cannot dictate our laws! Argue with facts, not religious doctrines.

  • JKJ88

    Abortion ends a life. Period. There is no other way to spin that fact. With that said… In our world of overly simplified labels, I am labeled as a pro-choice person. However, pro-choice people are NOT IN FAVOR of abortion. The thing that MOST pro-life and pro-choice people have in common is that they desire a world where there are as few abortions as possible. The cold reality is that women will still seek abortions whether the practice is legal or illegal with a coat hanger in an alley way. Overturning Roe v Wade will not end abortion. Both sides need to stop politicizing this issue and work together to reduce abortions.

  • MeatSweats

    Let’s all give it up for Spidermean2 everybody! Just when I thought that my day was getting boring, this guy shows up to post his hate and nonsensical rantings. Thank you Spidermean2. You always manage to brighten up my day when I read your anti-science vitriol.

  • spidermean2

    johnnormansp wrote “and after it is proved to them that their beliefs have no basis in reason or logic “Actually it’s the other way around. It’s always the atheists who lack logic. How can the earth produce intelligent brains? You must be a very illogical person to think that it’s possible to make brains from earth without any intelligent help.The idiots would think that time alone can do that. Just time alone like millions of years. How magical!!

  • MeatSweats

    I would love to get that crazy woman who posts under 9 different names and has conversations with herself to get involved in a discussion with Spidermean2. I bet Spidermean2 wouldn’t do it because it would bring on the end of the world when two enlightened minds of their caliber meet. but only he would know that.

  • BOBSTERII

    Pro Lifers should also ask a list of women that had abortion at Dr.Tiller’s clinic. They will be surprised how many hardcore wealthy republican daughters will be on that list, because their mommy and daddy paid big bucks to be quiet about it. Yet, they are still among Pro Lifers and cheering on this murder. They are against abortion as long its not their daughters. Also I think that thi smurder is directky connected to Republican Party and all their conservative media yappers, especialy Fox News, because so far every single outspoken republican senator or congressman agrees with killing of Dr. Tiller. Spooky party!!!

  • johnnormansp

    Spidey, you have just never examined those issues with an open mind. Believe me, every thinking, intelligent Christian who has ever faced consistent and thoroughgoing argumentation always falls back on that last-ditch effort. Without exception.

  • colonelpanic

    The New York Times has quoted Dave Leach of Des Moines, Iowa, the Publisher of an anti-abortion newsletter, as endorsing the act. The text in the article reads as follows:Commenting on Dr. Tiller’s death, Mr. Leach said, “To call this a crime is too simplistic.” He added, “There is Christian scripture that would support this.”With anti-abortion groups are using scripture as justification for killing, then I would have to classify those groups as terrorist organizations.There is no negotiating with terrorists.

  • spidermean2

    johnnormansp, maybe you have not yet met a true Christian. You surround yourself with fake Christians, that’s why.

  • BOBSTERII

    Posted by: Sylvain1 | June 1, 2009 12:18 PM RESPOND:Keep on going, we’re little behind………………….about 600 years.

  • BigTunaTim

    Please folks, keep it up with spidermean. I didn’t think I get this kind of quality comedy from the internet so early in the week:”You guys are lousy fiction writers. Those asteroids must be sharp shooters to target just dinosaurs.”Laughing so hard I’m in tears. And he keeps telling everyone to use their brain! ROFL

  • theobserver4

    spidermean2 wrote: “Also, I think the dinosaurs were mentioned in the Bible. They were referred to as “GIANTS” before the flood occured. It’s more believable to think that these dinosaurs all died of drowning contrary to evolutionists’ idea that asteroids killed them all. You guys are lousy fiction writers. Those asteroids must be sharp shooters to target just dinosaurs.”-Your lack of knowledge of science in general is appalling. It’s obvious you have as much knowledge regarding ancient animals as a 10 yr old who just saw Jurassic Park for the first time. Let me suggest that you read for once before spouting off. Here’s a very likely candidate for a world-wide extinction event: Chicxulub Crater; it’s a crater 110 miles in diameter. Likely thousand ft waves, a cloud of dust that blocked the sun destroying the existing food chain, shockwaves that would trigger worldwide eruptions and earthquakes and etc. I doubt you can even comprehend this type of event; so think of it like this. They didn’t put lambs blood on the door of their nests and the angel of death wiped them all out. Much more plausible right I’m sure…Then you equate giants with dinosaurs? You really have no idea what you’re talking about. There were innumerable species that were the size of a horse or smaller. Would these be the giants that you refer to? Didn’t Noah save all the animals? Where’d these ones go? Did he forget a couple thousand species according to you……the greatest theologian of our times.

  • bevjims1

    spidermean2 wrote: “An order is different to what actually could have happened. Only idiots would try to put dinosaurs inside the ark. God gave us brains to understand his command and not to follow instructions like idiots.”So you are dismissing the part about:”Noah did this; He did all that God commanded him.”So, it seems, the bible is whatever you want it to be, whatever makes sense, and if it does not, then you’ll make it make sense by adding and making stuff up. spidermean2 wrote: “You read the bible like an idiot that’s why you can’t comprehend it.”I just read what is written, not adding made up stuff when it doesn’t make sense. For example, you mentioned “giants” in the bible possibly being dinosaurs. If you read Genesis 6:4 you will see that these giants were PEOPLE, not animals. Just more stuff made up to keep your belief alive and well. Who is the idiot, the one who reads the written words or the one who reads and then makes stuff up?

  • spidermean2

    Sylvain1, consider the fact that without America, Europe would have been extinct because of WW1 and WW2. Evolution is one of the cause of that war. Hitler believed Darwin that he evolved into a super race.WW3 is coming. Guess what will happen?

  • theobserver4

    spidermean2 wrote:Actually it’s the other way around. It’s always the atheists who lack logic. How can the earth produce intelligent brains? You must be a very illogical person to think that it’s possible to make brains from earth without any intelligent help.-Wouldn’t that be a golum? No scientist would be dumb enough to claim brains come from inanimate objects. The earth doesn’t produce brains out of thin air….who made this claim

  • MeatSweats

    YESSSS!!! There we go. Only a matter of time before Spidermean2 tells us we are all going to die. Thank you, thank you.

  • MeatSweats

    HAHahHAHAh. Keep it coming Spidey. Your mind bending genius astounds me.

  • spidermean2

    bevjims wrote “So, it seems, the bible is whatever you want it to be, whatever makes sense, and if it does not, then you’ll make it make sense by adding and making stuff up. “Christ is the author of the bible. Why would Christ contradict himself by breaking the Sabbath. Actually he did not break the Sabbath. It’s the people who don’t know how to read and understand the Bible.You are confused because you read the bible like an idiot.

  • theobserver4

    spidermean2 wrote: “An order is different to what actually could have happened. Only idiots would try to put dinosaurs inside the ark. God gave us brains to understand his command and not to follow instructions like idiots.”-But DINOSAURS are also god’s creatures are they notDid they devil put them in the ground to trick weak willed Christians?

  • jromaniello

    My thoughts and prayers are with Dr. Tiller’s family at this most difficult time. I also wish to thank Dr. Tiller for his bravery and passion for women’s rights. He paid the ultimate price to provide women with the reproductive options they deserve.I understand that there are many people against abortion, who do not advocate what this extremist has done. But, for any “pro-lifer” that would advocate such a heinous act– you are the greatest hypocrites of all. You can’t be “pro-life” and condone murder. And don’t even try the argument that he “slaughtered innocent children” with me. If you want to say that it’s okay to kill someone, if they are killing/harming another human, okay. But the doctor was at church at the time of the shooting… soooo… what is the excuse? He wasn’t harming anyone then. Honestly, these extreme anti-choicers… it wonder about these individuals’ mental health. Do they not have enough to do, that they bomb PPs and shoot doctors that administer abortions? Try getting a job, or doing charity work, or adopting some of these children you are so adamant about saving. You are really desparately in need of a life that you need to control the personal bodies of others.

  • arrested_development

    “No person can favor this murder and be Christian.”You cannot be serious. Xtianity IS predicated on persecution. Read history. I was raised surrounded by survivors.You are really naive.

  • spidermean2

    observer4 wrote “The earth doesn’t produce brains out of thin air….who made this claim”Read evolution. It’s all about inanimate objects forming themselves alone.

  • hab1

    Obviously, anti-abortionists cannot be going around shooting at people, even a mass murderer like Tiller. Having said that, I don’t think anyone in the anti-abortion movement would argue that the country is better off with Tiller’s having met his appointment with death. What is the real tragedy is that, for whatever reason, he did not come to an attitude of repentence of his evil ways prior to the killing. I wonder what his grandchildren are going to think of his legacy when they become old enough to learn the horrible truth of abortion.

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