The Jewish Vote and the Palin Factor

Yesterday, I made a variety of predictions about the way Evangelicals might vote next week. Today, I turn to Jews. … Continued

Yesterday, I made a variety of predictions about the way Evangelicals might vote next week. Today, I turn to Jews. But since tomorrow I am going to have a lot of experts, advocates and Beltway Insider Types lecturing about this subject at Georgetown University, I want to see what they have to say before going out on a limb. I will report back to you about the conference on Friday. For now, a few predictions and a few observations:

Trending toward the GOP: Jewish-Americans are widely–and generally, justifiably– viewed as among the most reliable Democratic voters in the nation. Be that as it may, the pattern across the last 4 presidential races suggests that things may be slowly changing. George H.W. Bush received 11% of the Jewish Vote in 1992 (though Ross Perot probably lowered his numbers a bit. Ditto James Baker). Bob Dole got 16% in 1996. George W. Bush, 19% in 2000, and then 24% in 2004.

If the trend holds, John McCain could plausibly garner nearly 30% on November 4. Actually, that wouldn’t be so unusual since Jews have given more than 30% of their vote to a Republican presidential aspirant in a little less than half of the presidential elections since 1952.

So two questions arise: 1) will we see the recent pattern of rising support for the GOP among Jews continue in 2004, and, 2) will it go beyond the 30% threshold. I am going to hesitantly say “yes” to question 1 and “no” to question 2. As for why more Jews will vote Republican in 2008 than in 2004 we might think about . . . .

The generational divide: A recent Gallup poll which I discussed on Friday showed that younger Jews, not older Jews, were more inclined to vote for McCain. Again, the numbers did not exceed 30% for that cohort, but it does raise the possibility that the future may be rosy for Jewish Republicanism. In 1956 and 1980 Jews gave roughly 40% of their votes to Eisenhower and Reagan. So if a “youth movement” does exist in American Judaism, then these numbers might be attainable in 2012 and 2016.

Babushkas rocking the vote?: What is behind this small but significant shift to the Right? One widely discussed and plausible hypothesis points to the influx of roughly 650, 000 Jews from the Soviet Union to the United States over the past three decades. True, these immigrants don’t turn out on Election Day as reliably as their American cousins. But many arrived with a political outlook forged in the crucible of a failed Communist worldview–a worldview that was, shall we say, somewhat un-liberal and more congenial to Republican positions.

The Palin Factor: Here, I have only anecdotal evidence to go on, but I am truly surprised by how many Jews have related to me that they were seriously considering McCain, until he selected his running mate. The first and most obvious complaint they make is a generic one, namely that she is not sufficiently experienced for the job.

A few weeks ago, however, I pointed to James Besser’s intriguing angle in The Jewish Week. He argued that the Governor of Alaska’s populist rhetoric of small-town America may make some Jews nervous. And they are getting nervous in spite of the fact that Palin herself has no association with the type of anti-Semitism that once characterized professors of that rhetoric.

Given that Palin has had good relations with her Jewish constituents, has said all the right things to the community, and has reached out to many of the right people (she met, for example, on Monday with Israeli Ambassador to the United States, Sallai Meridor) I wonder if Besser is on to something.

By Jacques Berlinerblau | 
October 29, 2008; 8:00 AM ET


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  • Tonio

    “Palin herself has no association with the type of anti-Semitism that once characterized professors of that rhetoric.”Technically correct but incomplete. The anti-Semitism is still there in the populist rhetoric, except it’s now expressed in code such as “intellectual elite.” The myths evoked by the code have had currency for many years in the extremist strains of fundamentalism that Palin represents. Also, those fundamentalists have long had the goal of converting all Jews, and this is another form of anti-Semitism.

  • spiderman2

    “And they are getting nervous in spite of the fact that Palin herself has no association with the type of anti-Semitism that once characterized professors of that rhetoric.”A true evangelical (like Palin) CANNOT afford to hate the Jews. They know the scripture well that God would curse them if they do.It only shows how ignorant Jews are towards what evangelical Christianity means.The truth is, the Jews are more of a danger to themselves because of their twisted ideas like that of Karl Marx. Communism is the single most destructive doctrine for the Jews. Find a socialist state that is friendly to Jews. I think there is not a single one.Obama’s religion (UCC) historically lean towards socialism.I don’t understand why Jews don’t know this.

  • Mildred Bilt

    Interesting analysis. I have always succumbed to the myth that Jews are liberals because of their long history as scapegoats under repressive regimes. Not so. I Wiki’d several ultra conservative columnists with ‘Jewish names’ and discovered that they converted to Christianity from their Jewish roots. I also subscribe by E Mail to ‘orthodox’ Israeli newspapers and found the articles and comments to be ultra rightist. Then there is (for me) the phenomenon of Jewish government appointees who sincerely tout Bush”s policies including torture. Derek Feith comes to mind as one example. The astonishing fact I can’t come to grips with is that his father suffered through the concentration camps. I think the idea that Jews were and are ‘liberals’ is invalid. It probably is based on well known Jews in the labor, humanist and socialist arenas, but they never did and still don’t reflect the political leanings of the majority. What I realize now is that there are fringe groups in the Jewish communities in sizeable statistics that stretch from neo-con to Marxist, with a broad center that still remains to be quantified. Another facet to be explored is how their political views change over time. I’ve seen flaming liberals advance into arch conservatism as they age. I don’t know if the opposite is true. I also don’t know if there is a difference in political leaning between women and men and/or academic standing.I categorize myself as a liberal conservative Jewess ‘of a certain age’ and I suspect I’ve become more liberal over time. Regardless of the Jewish slant, I found that the majority of my students in high school and college tended to the right-even to the far right. They certainly did not come to the attention of the media during student protests, because they didn’t protest. The ‘silent majority’ is unheard, unseen, and uninteresting. They didn’t vote much either. They turned out for Roosevelt because of the depression. If the past is the key to the future-is this financial tsunami enough to get them out in the same way? It seems to me that the Jewish vote will be very similar to the vote of the majority in this election. the same percentages should hold.

  • thorfinn

    You are factually incorrect. “viewed as among the most reliable Democratic voters in the nation”. African Americans fit this bill.

  • Jackie Tavelman

    Are you joking?

  • EdA

    The fact that Sarah Palin is an ignoramus incredibly proud of her ignorance is, by itself, far more than enough to disqualify her — and John McCain, who picked her — from consideration. But beyond that, you write, “[she] has said all the right things to the community,” you’re really really wrong. By itself, Palin’s extolling of so-called small town virtues might not mean all that much by itself (even though I think it does). But when you combine that with her incessant claims that small towns and rural areas are where people who are patriotic live (Jews – not so many) and incessant attacks on the patriotism of people who live in cities (e.g., Jews) and are interested in social justice (e.g., Jews), it is hard not to think that she is speaking in pretty transparent code. We’ve heard this before. Combine this with the history of involvement by her husband — and herself, as recently as this past summer — with the Alaska Independence Party and her adherence to a fundamentalist church that invites preachers with a literal belief in witchcraft and spokespeople for “Jews for Jesus.” Sarah Palin may not herself have emitted any anti-Jewish comments, but she sure has demonstrated a high degree of xenophobia — and of stirring up xenophobia. And she sure has allied herself with people who are no real friends of the Jewish people, regardless of what AIPAC may want to hope. That she “has reached out to many of the right people (she met, for example, on Monday with Israeli Ambassador to the United States, Sallai Meridor)” is eyewash; given her utter lack of prior credibility, neither she nor they had much choice in the matter.

  • Borderman

    Jews play an outsize influence in American politics and that power and reach makes their small voting block irrelevant. Having said that, Jews are better off stick with other minorities, because right-wing Republican party is opportunistic and dangerous. This party can incite hate against Jews when convenient. Although Muslims and Blacks are making some racist remarks against Jews, but their expression is without substance and usually made without sophistication. My comments maybe off topic, but I hate to see Jew vote tilting right. Again, it is not their vote that matters, it is their political and social standing that matters.

  • spiderman2

    To those who hate Sarah Palin, eat you hearts out people. True Christians will rule the world and that’s the prophecy. Those who dislike her would have to live with it or turn into dust. True Christianity is here to stay for a thousand years rule. That’s the prophecy. Nobody can change that. If it’s a movie, it’s in the script already.***HAPPY IDIOTS DAY !!Sometimes, you have to let idiots decide for themselves so they would LEARN. Instead of preventing them to play with fire, let them play with it. If the idiots want Obama, give it to them.Democrats had placed us into this mortgage mess which then put us into economic tailspin : Obama is against McCain plans of buying those foreclosed houses and restructure its payment so the homeowners could afford it. These greedy banks are charging as HIGH AS 14% INTEREST from their borrowers. WHY DO BANKERS LOVE OBAMA? THAT IS THE QUESTION.Democrats are very soft on pouncing on future TROUBLE SPOTS like it did with the Taliban in Afghanistan and pre-911 terrorist attacks until they were successful in 911. That attack pushed us into this war.Obama plans to get tough with Columbia which is a U.S counter balance against RISING SOCIALISM in South America spearheaded by Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. His plan is to get tough with an ally and be soft on leftist Chavez. He even offered to negotiate with him WITHOUT preconditions. GREAT IDEA if you’re an idiot.Obama is not yet president but he is already being tough on another ally, Pakistan. Democrats enriched communist China by having unfettered trade with them despite the fact that they are still COMMUNISTS and dangerous and oppressive to religion. China is much more dangerous today than it ever was. Thanks to Democrats’ FORESIGHT. This too will be a problem of the next president. Im glad the Dems are winning coz they would handle this coming problem. They started it, let them solve it. Obama has protectionist tendencies so it is bound to create trouble with our now largest trading “partner”, China.Democrats placed us into an OIL CRISIS because of their “green” laws. That contributed much to our economic downturn.Obama still think that nuke power is dangerous and offshore drilling and clean coal are harmful to environment. As soon as Obama wins, OIL PRICE WOULD RISE UP AGAIN.Democrats are very tough on trade to the extreme. The world would truly miss the gentleness of the Republicans on this area. Oftentimes you won’t give idiots what they wish coz it would spell more trouble. The world want a Democrat so give them the Democrats. When these people start complaining, I want you to remember that they CHOSE this. Stupidity, BIG TIME.Democrats will fast tract abortion, gay marriage rights and everything liberal. God will not help us when these coming troubles pour at us.If Bush was “hellish”, see what real hell is once the Dems take over.HAPPY IDIOTS DAY!!

  • patty

    I am Jewish. Palin is about as attractive to me as a skunk.Remember she quoted Walter Pegler, a rabid anti-semite in her acceptance speech at the RNC. Read Frank Rich’s editorial about that. However given that she knows absolutely nothing, that quote probably doesn’t matter.

  • jad

    Gosh, why should Jews have any concerns about a race-baiting, right-wing, anti-communist demagogue like Palin?

  • dave

    palin is a far right evangelical with a redneck history… she has no idea jews and christians share so much common theology. she is too dumb to see past her own little world and embrace other cultures or religious views and would be a disater for any religious groups outside of her box. it’s all moot tho as mccain is not going to be elected by a longshot.

  • victor treschan

    When Palin met the Israeli Ambassador she noted that the McCain administration will help the “Jewish Agency” meaning Israel. I will be very cautious about somebody who refers to Israel not as a sovereign and independent state, but as a Jewish agency.

  • bucinka8

    thorfinn wrote:I’m surprised you didn’t mention support for Israel as a reason for the drift rightward, Jacques. Maybe that’s one of the things you’re waiting for the conference participants to comment on. I know too many Jews who are throwing their support to the GOP in general because of support for Israel, not regarding the price down the road on other issues, including conversion.

  • John Francis

    Mr. Berlinerblau,I grew up in Brooklyn. I believe that I understand much about race and ethnicity.In my opinion, I would say that race is much less of an issue in the Jewish community than it is in many other white ethnic communities.You fail to acknowledge this overwhelming issue in your writing.

  • Ken Amster

    I have a problem with characterizing the Jewish community in America as anything close to homogeneous – which is exactly what you do when you talk about the “Jewish Vote”. Unlike Evangelicals, American Jewry is not unified in its view on abortion, support of Israeli domestic and international policy, or even the separation of church and state. All that being said, I do become worried when she identifies herself, and professes similarity with those who come from rural, small-town America. And that pushes me further from the McCain camp. Besser is onto something.

  • robert freedman

    Always great to hear about the “Jewish Vote” and “Today I turn to Jews”. So let’s turn to this Jew: I’m 59, college degreed, and a U.S. Navy veteran (1971-1973). I have been a volunteer and contributor to the Obama campaign since the beginning. On Nov 4 I will proudly cast my vote for the next President of the U.S. — Barack Hussein Obama and I will pray for his success as he leads the entire nation of America.PS: And remember Obama loves those Chicago Bears!

  • pcpatterson

    “And they are getting nervous in spite of the fact that Palin herself has no association with the type of anti-Semitism that once characterized professors of that rhetoric.”A true evangelical (like Palin) CANNOT afford to hate the Jews. They know the scripture well that God would curse them if they do.***********************************************

  • Gator Keyfitz

    The majority of Jews have a learned and implicit understanding of what it means to be a minority, to be an “other.” It shouldn’t be surprising that the majority will remain indifferent to, and suspicious of, a political party whose most conspicuous “base” is a politicized pseudo-Christian rabble demanding that its religious tenets be written into the laws of the land. That a plurality of American Jews have made common cause with Republican Party hawks in favor of a muscular and pro-Israel presence in the Middle East is evidence only that there is no monolithic Jewish vote, but rather Jews are a diverse group with many disparate interests. However, if the Republican Party and the Conservative movement continue to descend into a populist, nativist and bigoted nationalism, I fully expect almost all Jews to return to the party that celebrates a diverse Americanism, protects separation of Church and State, and promotes peaceful settlement of conflict in the Middle East instead of exascerbating tensions that will only put Israel at risk in the long term.

  • Tonio

    “the ‘worry’ that this causes the Jewish community.”I’ve heard similar worries, but always from conservative Christians with a strong antipathy toward Islam.

  • Lee Wallis

    Sarah Palin may be the Republicans answer to the “all in the know, liberated, woman huntin’, over spending answer to the Democrats. However, she is just another greedy, oil drillin’ pipe lain’ Governor in the United States and a running mate of an old geezer that has no business running for President. He is nothing but a has been Hero of a War that has been long over. They deserve what they are going to get in this election (thumbs down). Anyone that would vote for another Republican for President after George Bush has to be “Off THEIR ROCKER” In other words dumb and illiterate. Their claims to big change is nothing more than lies. John McCAin and his tax changes are nothing but lies in my opinion. His very wealthy wife is a part of Corporate America and if you think Dear John is going to do anything detrimental to her interrsts and their wealthy high living you are all NUTS!

  • greenmansf

    Palin and her ilk believe Jews need to be “perfected” into Christians. Sorry, that is not love for Jewish people. It is ignorance and hate. All eviljellyhead “Christians” think this way. Once the Jewish people are “perfected” then comes the Rapture, which is the destruction of the human race as we know it. This Palin character prays for the destruction of the human race, calling it the Rapture, so she is not just a danger to Jewish people, but to all of us.

  • WORLD_GUARDIAN

    While Zionist Pseudo-Evangelists encourage their flock to vote for McCain, as did Earl Cox, a Broadcaster, known as ‘The voice of Israel’, now again in Israel… Today’s news again demonstrate that Israel does not respect other historical heritage than those called Jewish.The Israeli High Court “of Justice” today ruled that the so-called Wiesenthal MUSEUM of TOLERANCE can be built on the RUINS of an ANCIENT MOSLEM CEMETERY.

  • Marcos Berenstein

    Jews who carefully did their research,would vote for the McCain/Palin ticket.

  • J.C.

    Opportunity vs. generational slaveryAre we willing to continue addicting one generation after another to government handouts? Short term welfare is a great idea, but generational welfare is tantamount to slavery. Can this country afford to leave the poor in bondage rather than offer real opportunity? Obama ironically seems to believe so.

  • Eden

    It’s interesting that the understated prejudgements coming into this race, playing a big part here is against small-townspeople. What isn’t being said about the backward ways of the “gun caryin’ Bible thumpin’ hillbillies” is the recent trend to move away for University and come back to raise a family in a town where everybody knows your name. And if Governor Palin is a Christian it’s because she finds truth in Christianity. If she finds truth in Christianity and believes this is the single best way to live, wouldn’t she want everyone to be Christian? Not so much because she on some kind of ethnic cleansing of Jews or Jewish custom.

  • Jihadist

    Berlinerblau : (she [Palin] met, for example, on Monday with Israeli Ambassador to the United States, Sallai Meridor)I would hope Ms. Sarah Palin would also meet with the representatives of the Palestian Authority to forge trust and confidence with them to realise a two state solution and real peace between the Isrealis and the Palestinians if she ever becomes Vice President or President of the United States. J

  • Tonio

    Eden, obviously it’s possible to desire that Jews convert without consciously desiring ethnic cleansing. The latter would simply be the unintended effect of that desire. The real issue is that there is no such thing as a “single best way to live.” As a general principle, no one should decide what is best for another. (There are exceptions, such as children and the mentally ill.) To be agnostic about what is best for others is a matter of simple respect for their personal boundaries. If Palin wanted to show that respect, she would believe she has found the best way to live for herself, with no such beliefs about others. The “best way to live” must ultimately be a matter of individual judgment. What may be right for Palin’s life would not automatically be right for everyone’s lives.

  • Jihadist

    Mr. Jacques Berlinerblau,Thank you for your essay on the “The Jewish Vote and the Palin Factor”.1. Trending toward the GOPAre not Jewish-Americans among the highest educated and highest income group in the United States? One would not be surprised if there are sections of Jewish-Americans trending or leaning towards the GOP.I have to look up what GOP means – Grand Old Party. That is telling and do smacks of perception of being the party of the rich and leery of higher taxes. All rich are the same on this, regardless of race and religion. 2. The generational divideYounger Jews, not older Jews, were more inclined to vote for McCain? It would seem like the trend in the eighties when some younger white Americans do inclined towards the GOP – the Young Republicans, and now the Young Jewish Republicans. It would be a day to see Young Muslim Republicans. 3. Babushkas rocking the vote?Babushkas may be upset by the treatment of the Soviet state on them and their families, but like other former Soviets and now Russians, they do appreciate the state “taking” care of them, albeit hardly and with meagre rations. But, I can certainly be most wrong on this if we look at the impact of the free capitalism in the US compared to that in Russia now for the babushkas in the US and Russia respectively. Perhaps, for some, “a failed Communist worldview” is better than an “unfettered crony capitalism” where the rich are too rich and greedy and limited to too few with hardly any trickle down? 4. The Palin FactorI would not vote for Palin not because she is religious or otherwise, Jewish or Muslim or Christian or Jewish, but because her knowledge on international relations and economics is questionable. I do not need someone telling me she or he believe in God. That cost nothing and prove nothing. I need someone who can persuade me by her words and actions, that she can be entrusted to do the job – to have coherent and implementable policies and to implement them. Thank you and regards

  • sparrow4

    jihadist- Palin met with him because she had to. She also said she would work with his “Jewish Agency.” I have no idea what she meant, but it doesn’t sound like Palin knows a rat’s a** from Israelis or Palestinians. This is a woman who was completely ignorant of foreign and national affairs, according to McCain’s own aides in recent reports.Jews are not a monolithic voting block, but one thing I can say- Palin is a negative all across the board. McCain’s newly conservative but always pro-Bush stance on foreign policy will do nothing to improve the Middle east. And frankly, at some point both the Israelis and the Palestinians will realize that they themselves are the last, best hope of peace. Golda Meir once said something to the effect of “there will be no peace in the middle east until the Arabs love their children more than they hate Israel.” I say, after 60 years, that applies to both sides.Re rich Jews and the GOP- Since it looks as though about 75% of Jewish Americans will vote Democratic, it’s safe to say many of them are also in the higher income brackets. I realize that people run screaming for the exits when the word socialism comes up. But what’s so frightening? Do we really think there is no socialism in American government? What do you think we pay taxes for? supposedly that money goes to the greater good of all. McCain tries to use the word to frighten people into thinking Obama will be taking your savings account and giving it to Acorn. but realistically, on some level, every government that uses taxes to run the country is socialist. I don’t own a car, but my taxes pay for roads. I don’t have kids- but my taxes pay for public schools. I beleive in equal rights for everyone, but President Bush uses my tax money to fund religious-based organizations that discriminate against gays and women. That’s a redistribution of my “wealth” (‘scuse me, i have to laugh hysterically over using the word wealth and my in the same sentence). So we’re already doing it. We’re all just playing with semantics.

  • Tonio

    “realistically, on some level, every government that uses taxes to run the country is socialist”Wait a second – isn’t socialism where government owns the means of production? Looking at recent economic developments, government having stakes in banks sounds socialistic to me. Your statement reminds me of the ultra-libertarians who insist that the federal government’s only role should be national defense.

  • ZZim

    It’s entirely possible that many Jews are prejudiced against “small-town Americans”. No-one has professed such thoughts to me but it may be out there. I think the impact of prejudice on Palin’s candidacy will certainly be a significant factor in November, but I’m more inclined to think that anti-woman prejudice will be more of a factor than anti-”small town American” prejudice. However, I HAVE heard Jewish voters express disdain at the prospect of voting for a “schwartze”, so maybe that will be a factor too.

  • The only Jew Palin has ever met

    is Henry Kissinger about 2 weeks ago. She only knows of Jews from the Bible.

  • jprfrog

    Tonio has it right. It is not hard to hear the ugly music behind the words and to recognize the hate and rage boiling beneath the surface. There are many Youtube videos circulating which document these strains in the crowds that are going into or coming out of a Palin rally. It is still around, of course; I understand that it is quite popular in certain Islamic societies but I don’t doubt that those who chant “Bomb Obama” outside those rallies would (or perhaps do) find its old refrain quite congenial. The commenter who here blamed the Jews for Karl Marx illustrates that kind of thinking, or, more accurately, feeling. I, being a Jew who grew up safe but with knowledge of the Holocaust (I was learning to read as the evidence began to emerge), have not often encountered that sort of murderous anti-Semitism in person, but when I have I know it…my gut reaction tells me. I don’t think I’m paranoid or over-sensitive to sense the same scourge lurking in the crowds that chant at Palin rallies…although I suspect that Palin herself is unaware of the consequences of her rabble-rousing, being visibly intoxicated by the excitement she is stirring up. Of such volatile mixtures…simmering resentment and irresponsible oratory, are pogroms made.BTW, the word “pogrom” is simply Russian for “riot”…and the worst of them were deliberately fomented by Russian government officials who fed the worst elements of society with cheap vodka and inflammatory slogans, and turned them loose while the police stood by. (My mother survived one in Ukraine when she was 5 years old.) The purpose of course was to deflect popular anger at the incredibly venal and incompetent Czarist administrations. This too sounds familiar, doesn’t it?

  • sparrow4

    I’m with you on that, JPRFROG. My family came from russia (having survived a few pogroms) and part of the family wound up in Poland, did not survive the Nazis. I feel exactly the same thing. any fundamentalist frightens me. But the christian fundamentalists in this country even more so because people they have equated patriotism with their religion and and seek to gain power through government. Tonio:”Your statement reminds me of the ultra-libertarians who insist that the federal government’s only role should be national defense.”then you didn’t read it very well or understand exactly what I was responding to. That may be the classical definition- although more communism I think- but I am responding to how McCain is using it. As for being ultra-libertarian- I am as much that as you are a christian fundamentalist.

  • Tonio

    Sparrow4,”then you didn’t read it very well or understand exactly what I was responding to.”Sorry, I wasn’t accusing you of being an ultra-libertarian. I was questioning the incredibly broad definition of socialism used by many of the Obama bashers. When they use the term to describe any government program, that renders the word meaningless.

  • sparrow4

    my apology to you as well. I got a little snippy there :-(

  • Jihadist

    Hello Sparrow4,Thanks for your post. The word “socialism” is obviously conflated in the minds of some with communism and, by extension, godlessness perhaps. The Scandinavian model of “socialism” is a good one – high taxes and most allocated for social services and social safety net. Of course, the Scandinavian states are among the richest in the world and can afford it. Tax money allocated for education and health budgets to make it low cost or free and thus affordable for all is surely not socialism, but social responsibility by states and a socially responsible government who practiced it. Strains of such “socialism” is practiced even in the UK and France. For business or industries, it is “nationalised” sectors but called “national” industries or sectors, including airlines, trains, aerospace industry. Sometimes, it is called, “strategic industries”. Nationalisation of banks in these times is not so bad. It provides depositors guarantees on their deposits and they do not lose money. The banks, once healthy again due to corrected financial systems and economic growth picks up, are usually privatised again. “Socialism” and/or “nationalisation” is an option adopted by governments when capitalism fails in certain sectors. Socialism and/or nationalisation of sectors by states is not perfect, but it can save capitalism and the free markets in its worst excess. ..and we are in semantics, no? Regards

  • Farnaz

    Jihadist”Are not Jewish-Americans among the highest educated and highest income group in the United States? One would not be surprised if there are sections of Jewish-Americans trending or leaning towards the GOP.I have to look up what GOP means – Grand Old Party. That is telling and do smacks of perception of being the party of the rich and leery of higher taxes. All rich are the same on this, regardless of race and religion.”Historically, Jews have voted overwhelmingly Democratic, straight across economic lines. That is, whether wealthy, middle class, or lower income, they turned the D switch in the voting booth. This distinguishes them from Christians, Catholics, who tend to vote Republican if they are wealthy or simply have what we tend to think of as Republican values. In New York City, there was a constituency labeled Giuliani Catholics, for example. They cut across all economic lines.It would be interesting to know who the Muslims, Hindus, animists, pagans, atheists, and agnostics are voting for, as long as we’re pursuing this line of idiotic investigation. Also, the young Catholics and the young Protestants, not just the Evangelists.As for Muslims for McCain, there are a hell of a lot of them both among my acquaintances and colleagues. Why that should be surprising is difficult for me to surmise. They, too, have economic interests, often loathe those in charge of their native or ancestral lands, etc.

  • JBE

    Palin is a lying member of the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY and has been photographed reading their publication at her desk in her Gubenatorial offices.PALIN IS NO FRIEND OF JEWS!Don’t be fooled by religio-facist wing-nuts claiming to be evangelicals who move to Israel so they can take over “when Armegeddon breaks out”.Don’t be fooled by religio-facist wing-nuts claiming to be evangelicals who support Israel. They whisper about Jewsgoing to hell then smile and ask for a donation.SARAH PALIN IS A DANGEROUS LIAR!

  • Farnaz

    Frederick:”Bush was, declared Sharon, Israel’s best friend.Don’t really know where you’re coming from. It was the Protestants, Catholics, and Christian Orthodox who elected Bush. He got the Christian (generically speaking) vote. Must be because he wanted to see the rebirth of the Republican Party in Jesus Christ, hungered after oil money, etc. And, then, he proclaimed his great admiration for Cheney, Rumsfeld and other Christian fascists.Deconstructed or not, the Bush Administration has shown just how ugly that admiration has been.

  • RL Giarrusso Springfield, VA

    Today, Palin steps up the Bill Ayers attack, saying Obama is friends with a “radical professor.” Whereas she only consorts with “real” solid, conservative Witch Doctors, and secessionists like her husband, Toad. But apparently, most of America (and the world) has seen through her hockey Mom next door facade and rejected the hypocrisy of these two very desperate, ugly hypocrites and their born-again creed of hate, fear and lie to win at any cost. As a Christian, I sincerely hope that He has some strong words for them and they reap their just reward!

  • Farnaz

    Erma:from the rest of Americans in this election season. Is Berlinerblau not talking to Foxman of the ADL, who busily was censoring every post he could when Wall Street blew up.This country is not too pleased with Wall Street…whether or not you think the economic demise and Jews conflat…most people do. And there’s the war.And you can see the panic of the Isrel firster neocons, as McCain/Lieberman fail…And Belinerblau might look to polls about the continued screaming for the bombing of Iran, still…last week neocon Haas, in the person of a foreign affairs “expert” said again Iran is the most important thing the new preident has to deal with. (!!!) Most people don’t think so.I’d be willing to bet the antisemitic figures, high earlier this year, are not getting better.”____________Erma, assuming that you and Frederick are not the same person, but may reside on the same planet, get back to us when you reach earth.The perception is widely held that it was the Christians who not caused this current disaster, the Christian neocons, Born Agains, etc. I’m talking about Christian Ronald “DeReg.” Reagan,Speaking of Christians, the Protestant Congress, Catholic Senate, and Christian Supreme Court didn’t exactly try to stop any of this, now, did they?And then, you’ve got your Jewish Nobel Prize winning Paul Krugman and other Jewish economists sounding alarms about the dangers for years.People do blame the Christians and the currently Christian owned media for this, for the censorship, etc. They blame the Christians for going into Iraq to get Christian oil for Christian Exxon, BP, etc. Blood for oil, and then raise the gas prices.Whether fair or not, that’s what people think. It would, therefore, be a good think to find out whom the Christians and Catholics support. Perhaps, it will help to lessen the blame.

  • sparrow4

    jihadist- semantics? Yes :-)I don’t know how other countries run their campaigns but in this country we have dumbed ours down to sloganeering and labelling. The republicans love to do this. One of the reasons I didn’t like Clinton was listening to her speak, all I heard was slogans. Obama is the first politician in a long time who speaks to the people. He doesn’t treat us like we’re dumb. He doesn’t assume we won’t ask questions or research his claims or think for ourselves. sure- he is a politician, and not perfect. But he’s a huge improvement n what we’ve had for many years.Erma- it is impossible to understand what you are saying. Clearer English- but for you and others who think it is “Israel first” Neocons whipping up the anti-Iran issues, you couldn’t be more wrong. I hate to take credit away from the Bushies, who are so into the war on terror that they’ll say and do anything to keep power. The US has used Israel to do its dirty work over and over again. It’s good cop/bad cop. But a truer, more democratic friend in the Middle east you won’t find than Israel. You might want to think about that the next time we get hit by Al Qaeda (or are you one of the poor misguided souls who thinks Israel did it)?You fall into the dangerous twilight zone of those who think Jews are “other” and care more about Israel than America. We don’t. This is our country and though we look out for Israel’s interests (which are also the US’s in the Middle east, I would never ever sell out this country for Israel. Never.

  • Jihadist

    Hello Farnaz,Thanks for your post. Sparrow4, as you did, pointed out that Jewish Americans, traditionally vote for Democrats are are highly likely to do during this election. So, there are “Muslims for McCain”. Not suprising considering that Muslim migrants to the US are a better educated lot and thus of a higher income group than those who migrated to Europe. Capitalism is not anathema to Muslims. That would, perhaps, make them natural Republicans if they have cash to spare and don’t like high taxes, even if the traditional Democratic platform is closer to Islamic values on social responsibility to assist those in need and “spread” the wealth. I am starting to wonder if Sarah Palin is an Evangelical of the ilk of Pat Robertson on the Rapture and Armageddon in reading posts by other posters here. Pat Robertson did say he is a good friend of Israel too. This squares with Palin saying “Jewish Agency” instead of Israel? Agency to enable them realise the Rapture and Armageddon and what not? This “hastening of the Rapture” I don’t get. I can’t recall it correctly, so correct me here, but it is to have a final battle between good and evil, all non believers of the true faith will perish or be killed or converted to the true faith, and all true believers will be transported to heaven or something like that. If right, it sounds no better than unhinged Muslims resorting to suicide bombing so they will end up in heaven with “72 virgins” waiting for them. What can I say. Religious nuts are here and there. So are politicised religious nuts. Or faith-based politicised nuts. Which is which. Regards

  • AgentG

    It disappoints me that any widely varied group such as “Evangelicals” or “Jews” could ever be classified as a voting block and analyzed based solely on their presumed religious orientation. Is there a single Evangelical or Jewish family that does not have differences in opinion on political matters? Such perspectives are doomed to fail lest they account for the heterogeny manifest in any one category. In fact, the analysis above appears to indicate that Jews are really no different than the general public at large.Further, such analyses are performed without the consent and acknowledgement from the individuals presumed to be in the category that this identification is appropriate for them. What if someone of Jewish background no longer considered themselves Jewish, would they still be included in that group against their personal choice?Demographic categories such as income group, neighborhood, profession, family situation, and age are much more suitable for public analysis in a democratic society than race or religion. Note that race and religion should have no implications for public policy whatsoever. When these categories are finally ignored in the media, you will know we have overcome the bigotry of race and religion.

  • Debra

    Considering the level of hate speech Palin has delivered, that singled out people who were different or had different thoughts, I as a Jew am terrified of her. She not only incorporates some of the McCarthy fanaticism about who is a real American and who is not, but she unwisely tosses these types of scapegoating taunts at a time when America’s economy is Depression-like. For any Jew, the combination of scapegoating and throwing into a frenzy a mob/crowd who go after supporters of the opponent screaming ‘terrorist’, ‘traitor’, and ‘Muslim’ the instigator is NO friend. Just remember Germany in the 1930s. I have NO faith that Palin either understands this historic similarity or ever read the history to begin with. Jewish Americans will NOT run to McCain with Palin on the ticket.

  • Farnaz

    “It disappoints me that any widely varied group such as “Evangelicals” or “Jews” could ever be classified as a voting block and analyzed based solely on their presumed religious orientation.”Of course. I quite agree, but since Berlinerblau persists with this, in the interest of logical analysis, he should be consistent. Evangelicals are a mere subgroup of one branch of Christianity: Protestants. But there are not only many Protestant denominations, but other branches of Christianity. So to have an accurate assessment, he should be comparing all Christians to all Jews.His analysis, his vocabulary suggest to me that he is looking at a subcategory of Askenazic Jews, not Sfardim, like me, not Ethopians, Mizrahi, etc. As well, he doesn’t specify whether he means observant or nonobservant. If observant, does he mean Orthodox (if so, progressive or traditional), Chasidic (if so, Satmar, Lubuvotitch, etc.), Conservative (if so egalitarian or traditional), Reformed, Reconstructionist, Sfardic, etc.Again, Jacques, this is a remarkably idiotic undertaking, but since you have undertaken, when are we going to hear about the Christians? The majority are not evangelicals. Take Haliburton Dick Cheney, for example. And when I say Christian, I mean Christian, Catholic, Orthodox, the whole shebang.

  • esthermiriam

    It’s not news that there are conservative-leaning Jews, whether for reasons of religion orI hope J.B. will report back after the election

  • sparrow4

    jihadist- Sarah Palin is indeed of that ilk. I’m the wrong person to speak about the rapture as she believes it, as I’m Jewish, but I’m confident in saying she is no different, and possibly more extreme than Robertson and his type. I guess I was surprised there are Muslims who vote Republican. Monied or not, I would think they would be as frightened as Jews are, of the GOP. Lord knows they’ve been used as the whipping boys for 9-11, no matter how moderate or Americanized. Debra spoke for a lot of us when she talks about how Palin terrifies her and why.My own pet theory of voting blocks is that it’s a lucrative business for polling companies, the media and advertisers. They literally make money on our differences, not our similarities, so they love micro-division and then reinforce it by creating more ways to make money from demographic data.

  • Observer12

    “It’s not news that there are conservative-leaning Jews, whether for reasons of religion orIt is a simple historical fact, whether one supports it or not, that American Jews overwhelmingly vote Democratic. It is a simple historical fact that American Christians do not. It is impossible to know whether the reasons concern identification with fellow Christians, suport for Catholic dictators in South America, the Carribbean, etc., for Christian Orthodox fascists, Christian oil interests. The reasons are varied no doubt. The Christians do, in fact, control the wealth in this country. Look at the CEO of Exxon Mobile, BP, which routinely breaks civil and criminal law in this country, yet gets away with it, presumably due to the support of the Christian Congress, the Christian Supreme Court, and the Christian presidency. Look at the oil gauging while the Christian oil importers make windfall profits and slaughter Iraquis.The Christian derivatives mavens and foreclosure fellons like Phil Gramm have put us into a worldwide depression. The bailouts of Christian AIG with the gigantic retirement packages for the Christian CEO and other execs is a very small part of the story.The Christians (Catholics, etc.) are put us where we are. They, not Hindus, Muslims, or Jews, elect the president, Congress. To ask who the Christians are voting for is worthwhile and reasonable. It will give the rest of us, including this former Christian, some lead time in which to find some other place to live.

  • sam

    When and if the LA Times releases the video they dont want anyone to see, this may all be a moot point.Jews from the Soviet Union know all too well what to expect from marxist regimes.

  • Janet

    JB:Put me in with the “this is an absurd, pointless, and sloppy analysis” group.

  • Viking

    What about the fact that she practices an extreme form of Christianity, believes in witchcraft, thinks she’s favroed by God to suceed, the war in Iraq is Gods work, and her husband was affiliated with a secessionist party? These aspects of her life all give most Jews the creeps. Her ticket will not remotely get even close to 30% of the Jewish vote.

  • Aaron Kuperman

    Orthodox Jews are a rapidly growing segment of the Jewish community (and probably the only segment of the Jewish community that is growing), and Palin’s pro-life views are a major “plus.”

  • Janet

    Orthodox Jews are a rapidly growing segment of the Jewish community (and probably the only segment of the Jewish community that is growing), and Palin’s pro-life views are a major “plus.”Reference and statistics, please. (Also, this is important because…?)

  • Ari

    I’m Jewish and unconcerned about whom other Jews, Christians, and Muslims vote for. What concerns me is for whom the majority will vote. As for the rest of it, who gives a crap?

  • Cycledoc

    There are a broad range of views in the Jewish community. It’s three dimensional. The neocons represent one extreme the orthodox another but the bulk of the community is rather liberal and open minded–despite crude attempts by the McCain/Palin campaign to influenc their views. They have experienced fundementalism, both Islamic and other.The community is smart enough to recognize that Palin is an empty suit. Her deeply held beliefs that eliminate the wall between church and state are not in anyone’s best interest.

  • Janet

    At least Jews don’t have the Pope telling them to vote for McCain. Btw., when is his term in Congress up?

  • geronimo

    What scares me is that the press is more concerned about what jews think and whats good for israel,obama has spent more time talking about defending jews then the major problems that confront his own historical land(Africa)that creeps me out.Were did this power come from,when someone can prove to me jews were slaves in egypt or some footnote besides the torah that descibes what happened to reluctant egyptions(like the first born man and beast being wiped out) then i will say let it roll.Untill then it is just racist ramblings.In the mean time lets build another residentual school to beat jesus into the kids on the reserves,hell ya.

  • DowneastBuffAlum

    Why, for any reason, would any Jew, anywhere, ever, ever, even vaguely consider Sarah Palin appealing? Jerry Seinfeld had the answer … “shiksappeal”. No other possible explanation.

  • Janet

    Btw., when is his term in Congress up?I meant when is the Pope’s term in Congress up?

  • spiderman2

    The main point is Palin is a TRUE CHRISTIAN. People who oppose her have a PROBLEM with God. It’s not really about Sarah Palin but the issue here is their relationship with God.IT’S TOO OBVIOUS. THE MOST GODLESS HATES HER THE MOST.

  • Jesse Aaronson

    “I meant when is the Pope’s term in Congress up?”Look, let’s face it. The real question is how did all the different Christians get so much F’n power in this country?

  • Farnaz

    “Look, let’s face it. The real question is how did all the different Christians get so much F’n power in this country?”Well, Jesse A., that is a question for the ages, and it should be expanded to ask how they got so much power in the world. Forget McCain Palin. How about Obama and his faith-based initiatives? His Christian prayer fests? His Dial and Pray for Christians?They’re paying the bills for him, too, Jesse A. They’re his constituency. How’d they get all the power? How’d they get all the money? Look around. Don’t you see dead people?

  • fmjk

    Not all Jews — bite your tongue.Many of us believe fervently in the separation between church and state. We also believe in values like tolerance, and getting a college education.

  • Rational

    I am surprized that the author does not mention the Neocon-Theocon alliance playing any role in this election It certainly did in the previous presidential election.

  • geronimo

    You ask were did the judaio/christians get all the power from.Well they wiped out 12 million native americans in the name of god who had promiced them the land of milk and honey.I just dont get the part about needing to kill and steal to create prophosey,but then again they say god works in mysterious ways.

  • SDWalters

    I have been active in the Obama campaign, even to the extent of canvassing registered Democrats about the upcoming election. I also have discussed the subject covered in the Berlinerblau article at great length with many Jewish friends and acquaintances in Ohio, New York and Florida. Based upon my very unscientific sampling, I have reached the following conclusions:1) The split of Jews into either the McCain or the Obama camps has created bitter division, even to the extent of jeopardizing long-time friendships.2) Among those in the Jewish community over the age of 70, there is a heavy tilt towards McCain, although this is more anti-Obama and often has a racial aspect.3) Among Jews between the ages of 40 and 70, those with professional degrees and those with heavy involvement in social causes tend to favor Obama. Those with a bachelor’s degree or less are evenly split.4) Affluence does not seem to play a role, except those in business who have been notable in their lack of success tend to favor McCain.5) Those Jews who have been active supporters of the Republican party over the past twenty years remain loyal to the party for the most part.6) Young Jewish men and women tend to be strongly for Obama.7) Jews who are recent immigrants, as well as the most Orthodox Jews, favor McCain.8) In each demographic, one finds often surprising exceptions.By the way, I graduated from Georgetown many years ago, and I am pleased to hear about the conference.

  • Brian Freund

    Jacques, you should keep in mind that many Orthodox and observant Jews are tempted to vote Republican, mostly for reasons having to do with pro-life stances. And, since the Orhthodox and observant communities remain not only homogenous but also growing, that translates into a perceived (and probably actual) growth in a Republican vote amongst US Jews. However, I would say that the vast majority of secular and non-Orthodox Jews still lean toward the Democrtas, even, and especially, those in the Jewish population in the upper middle class and wealthy categories. This latter group tends to link Judiasm with economic fairness, progressive policies, and a more non-violent approach to international affairs…something that is more in line with Democratic policies than Republican. I would like to see you do a survey on which group of Jews are votong for whom and then come back and continue your blog. It would be more accurate.

  • sparrow4

    “It is a simple historical fact, whether one supports it or not, that American Jews overwhelmingly vote Democratic.It is a simple historical fact that American Christians do not.”Well, Jews comprise 2% of the populatoin and I don’t know how many Muslims or other religions there are so it seems to me a hell of a lot of christians do vote democrat. But they would be the moderates and more liberal Christians, not fundamentalists. Geronimo- despite what you’ve been told, Jews don’t hold power. Individual Jews may and certainly our votes are sought because we’ve learned to be the squeaky wheel. we learned it the hard way because before WW II no one cared- just check out FDR’s record on German Jews. I’m assuming you are Native American- you know what it is to feel powerless over your own fate. So do we. We’ve just learned to fight back- we’re not doing the German thing again.we do get a lot of lip service from the government. But Bush did virtually nothing to help the peace process. He forgot all about it. Trust me, we are much more impressive in media hype than we are in real life. But in terms of numbers, as in Florida, we can make a difference.don’t know what your problem is with Jews and Egyptians, but put it this way. thanks to that biblical story, Jews have a traditional abhorrence to slavery. We were also in the forefront of the civil rights movement and whatever our differences now with the Black community, we have that in common.Hear you about the reservation schools- i was under the impression that more and more Native Americans were pushing back. If you want a little squeaky wheel advice, would love to help :-)

  • david klapp

    excuse me, but HOW MANY jewish constiuents can ms. palin possibly have in ALASKA????

  • geronimo

    push back,we would get killed,look up all the land titles that are barried in the court systems,tell me how many have been heard in the last 20 years.your ways are not my ways,but you want them to be the same.To be honest i can only imagine what would happen if a bunch of us migrated to israel,yet you ask for equality here,something that would not be given in israel.My problem with jews and egyptions is i do not believe it happend yet that is given as fact,and has caused more wars then all things combined.Were you beaten and forced to worshipp israel or you will be sent to hell.

  • MG

    If young Jews knew the truth about Palin, they’d steer clear of her. Her values aren’t shared by Jews. She hunts and supports animal abuse. Palin had a witch hunter pray for her. Jews don’t believe in witches. Jews value education and reading. Palin couldn’t name the newspapers she read. People may like to look at Palin, because she’s pretty. But it’s evident that she’s not bright.

  • Observer12

    “Well, Jews comprise 2% of the populatoin and I don’t know how many Muslims or other religions there are so it seems to me a hell of a lot of christians do vote democrat. But they would be the moderates and more liberal Christians, not fundamentalists.”Confused, and irrelevant, it would seem. Jews do comprise a minute percentage of the population which goes to the irrelevancy of this discussion.The fact remains as originally posted. The overwhelming majority of Jews vote Democratic. The overwhelming majority of Christians, by far the national majority in this country, do not.Hence, it behooves people like me (Americans) to know for whom the Christians will be voting.

  • mystic

    There is an increasing siginificant incidence of anti-Semitism in Europe based on two factors:

  • sam

    Actually, there is a witch named Sarah Silverman who is offering up Jews as scapegoats in the event of an Obama loss.

  • Farnaz

    Jacques,Having taken an informal pole of the newspapers, blogs, including this one, I have come to the following conclusions:The PRotestants and Catholics have clergymen, e.g., Popes, bishops, priests, etc. who tell them whom to vote for, lobby in Congress, etc.These Christians control the wealth of the world, and are the overwhelming majority in the Congress. This is the simple fact. They are the majority in the Supreme Court, and they own the presidency–always have.They will elect the next president. There are liberals among them, and this has caused divisions within families and among friends.Interesting, but who cares. What I want to know is–Who are the majority of Catholics going to vote for?Who are the majority of Protestants going to vote for?Who are the majority of Orthodox Christians going to vote for?To what extent is age, income, and abortion, respectively, at issue?

  • Farnaz

    Jacques,One other question: As you know, many Israelis and Lebanese blame the Bush administration and the Christian Congress for the attacks on Lebanon. Just like the Christian neocons, billionaires, and Christian oil hogs, your normal Christians, Catholics, whatever, want to use Pakistan to kill terrorists and anyone in the way of there killing terrorists, they wanted to use Israel to kill terrorists who might harm the Christians.That’s because they own the Congress, Supreme Court. It’s the way they are.Just like they give eight billion dollars to the pig Mubarak every year to spend on himself and his family, give to terrorists to kill Jews, while Egyptians starve.Meanwhile, back at the farm, the Christian TheoCons, Popists, Byzantines, what have you have covered Iraq in blood. They supported Shah of Iran, my country, Shah that fascist Christian loving pig, then they brought us the clown Khomeini and the A-holes we now have.Questions: What does it take to stop the Christofascists of the world? Will Israel ever trust them again? Will the Israeli government stop breaking up anti-American demonstrations?See, the thing is, the Christians don’t even care who they kill. They’d kill their own mothers. Look at 9/11.

  • Anonymous

    “(2) Europeans disapprove highly of the one-sidedness of America for Israel against the Palestinians, which after all was the very reason why Osama ben Laden attacked America on 9/11.”If you believe that you are as dumb as a doorknob. Osama would love for you to believe that- it’s called a wedge issue. Do you honestly think he cared about Palestinians? Jeez. geronimo- I didn’t ask for your ways to be my ways. I want you to have the freedom to live as you believe right- the same as I want for me. i also recommend you read up a bit more on Jews and Israel. We didn’t do anything to you. we were too busy getting massacred ourselves. (You might also want to look up the work Israel has done for many years in Africa, as well as its massive rescue of Ethiopian Jews in the 80′s.) and while I would be the last person to say Israel is perfect, it does allow its Arab population to hold office and be part of government. they perform many humanitarian acts for Palestinians which you will never hear about (or even believe, if I am any judge of character). No one asked you to move to Israel- thanks, we can find enough fundamentalist bigots from the church to move there.Geez- sorry for trying to have a civilize discourse with you. Maybe you shold be posting on sean Hannity’s website. I hear he loves anti-Semites.

  • sparrow4

    that was my post- forgot to add in my username

  • sparrow4

    “Questions: What does it take to stop the Christofascists of the world? “Peace in the Middle east so they can’t use Jews and Muslims against each other. A reassessment of what Christianity really is and is meant to be. I don’t think that will happen until Christians can accept the differences amongst themselves, and accept the legitimacy of and respect other people’s beliefs.An America less focused on consumerism and energy consumption, less beholden to oil.You really can’t stop them, you can only make it impossible for them to have power. And the world understands that a fundamentalist of any ilk is nothing to admire.

  • Kylie Green

    Kylie Let me be systematic in my review of the two tickets. 1. The economy: John McCain has self admitted he is not good on the economy. We thought he was going to add balance. He did not. And when needed, as the break down was happening, he did not read the Paulson plan. Barack Obama was deliberative, he asked questions, he worked closely with both side and he delivered his vote. 2. Foreign Policy: Barack Obama has a good world view and will bring respect to America. John McCain was seen singing Bomb Iran not once but several times. And does not have the temperment to speak to world leaders. I would Bush. 3. The Changing Tone: Barack Obama is a movement.

  • tunaman

    if the Jews don’t vote McCain/Palin, they deserve what they get. Get it?

  • geronimo

    to anomy if your asking me if what you did to palistinians was right,from were im sitting the answer is no,and we cant have our version of the stern gang running around,like i said we would be destroyed.The whole thing about jews being chosen and god killed every first born egytion is mind boggling.I do not see the world through that prism.

  • sparrow4

    I’d admire your wit, tunaman if you had the other half of it. Get it?

  • sparrow4

    Neither do the majority of Jews. You must not know any. Neither do you know very much about the history of the establishment of Israel- it’s a lot more complicated than you conceive of.As to worrying about the whole Egyptian first born thing- a more important, but less well know story has to do with the Hebrews celebrating the closing of the red Sea over the Egyptians and the G-d of my people saying, “do not celebrate. I am killing my children for you.” Jews remember that. Besides, i think 5000 years is a little long for you to be carrying a grudge for the Egyptians, who seem to have gotten over it. guess you think slavery for Jews is ok? (and don’t forget, Pharoah was given every chance to let the Hebrews go and refused.) In case you were afraid to ask- no, we don’t kill anyone and drink their blood. and there are plenty of mind-boggling stories in the bible. want to think about something more recent about Jews? Concentration camps. Now that’s mind boggling. Babi Yar. Dachau. Bergen-Belsen. There’s plenty more. Jerk.

  • Chris k.

    The Palin Factor: A life-long democrat for McCain. With all those mainstream bias in the media, she’s still standing tall and strong. I am convinced she’s ready for president. That’s why she’s such a threats to the Obama supporters.

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  • Dave

    Thanks, SDWALTERS, for your analysis. My unscientific analysis corresponds almost exactly with yours. The zionists are a political party, and although they never have their own candidate labeled as such, they are very much “values voters.” Christian zionists tend to be even more extreme than the Jewish variety, probably out of naivete and ignorance. But any and all attempts to sort out the percentage of zionists in the general population have resulted in very large error, which is hardly surprising. Since the zionists believe that the takeover of Palestine by force and brutish politics is a divine entitlement of the Chosen Ones, asking someone if they are a zionist is like asking someone if they are a racist; the answer will almost always be “no.” The so-called Bradley Effect times 500 in my opinion. It’s also interesting that polls in Israel of American Jews almost always show much more Republicanism than American polls, which also tends to support this observation. My (rather extensive) experience with American Jews is that they are very liberal on most issues, but when Israel’s special privileges are concerned, these same “love everybody the same” Jews turn into bona fide Nazis. And the Christian zionists don’t even bother pretending to be liberal on ANYTHING! In advance: please don’t insult my intelligence by calling me an Anti-Semite for expressing observations you may not agree with. Call me anti-zionist if it makes you happy. But being against a political party is fortunately STILL my right, although one which is very much in jeopardy at the moment.

  • henry abarbanel

    It is not Republican or Democratic. It is competence. Pailin comes across as incompetent. My Jewish mother says–this is not your VP.

  • williamhn

    As a Jew, and an American with a post-gradtuate degree, it is difficult for me to understand how the McCain candidacy would appeal to Jewish voters. I think we are long past a time where Israel is a defining issue for Jewish voters. All candidates need to support Israel’s right to exist to avoid appearing “radical” and pro-Palestinian, a sure recipe for failure in U.S. national politics.Beyond Israel, what does McCain offer? His campaign has been based on character and not issues, his “right” to be President based on his experience. His judgment is questionable as evidenced by his inability to articulate a consistent position on the current economic downturn, and his solution to all problems is tax cuts and get rid of greed and corruption.I do share peoples’ concerns about where Palin is taking her campaign. Her talk of “small town America” and the “pro-America America” has the flavor or nationalism and separates people into true Americans and “others”. She has not articulated what defines a true American, and that leaves it to the audience to infer what she means and who the “others” are. My concern is that many people that support Palin are conservative Christians, and those “others” are the non-Christians. We are not the true Americans. We are the others. We may be nervously close to those “others” being the money lenders, and capitalists, and the intellectuals. That is a little to close to saying “the Jews” for my comfort.

  • Anonymous

    Farnaz on October 29, 2008 8:13 PM :Jacques,One other question: As you know, many Israelis and Lebanese blame the Bush administration and the Christian Congress for the attacks on Lebanon. Just like the Christian neocons, billionaires, and Christian oil hogs, your normal Christians, Catholics, whatever, want to use Pakistan to kill terrorists and anyone in the way of there killing terrorists, they wanted to use Israel to kill terrorists who might harm the Christians.That’s because they own the Congress, Supreme Court. It’s the way they are.Just like they give eight billion dollars to the pig Mubarak every year to spend on himself and his family, give to terrorists to kill Jews, while Egyptians starve.Meanwhile, back at the farm, the Christian TheoCons, Popists, Byzantines, what have you have covered Iraq in blood.They supported Shah of Iran, my country, Shah that fascist Christian loving pig, then they brought us the clown Khomeini and the A-holes we now have.Questions: What does it take to stop the Christofascists of the world?Will Israel ever trust them again?Will the Israeli government stop breaking up anti-American demonstrations?See, the thing is, the Christians don’t even care who they kill. They’d kill their own mothers. Look at 9/11.^^^^^^^^^^^^Are you sure you are not a Christophobic Sunni Muslim?

  • ELI FREEDMAN

    MR BERLINERBLAU: I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY A JEW(NORMALLY A PRO=CHOICER) WOULD VOTE FOR A PRO=LIFER. I DON’T BELIEVE THE NUMBERS YOU SAY

  • scott

    How can someone who is Jewish vote for someone who prays for their conversion every Suday? As a Pentostal, isn’t that what what Palin does?

  • Andrea

    so I see a lot of anti-semites out here- and some people who say they are Jewish but seem to be condemning a lot of other Jews- well ,we have our crazies too. I can’t think of any Jew I know that Palin appeals to- she is badly educated and has made no attempts to get beyond that- not something my grandparents or my parents would value in a candidate. I guess her anti-abortion and creationist views might appeal to ultra orthodox- but not to most of the rest of us. And evry Jew in the US knows that when someone says “real Americans” – she doesn’t mean us.

  • Student of History

    Scott: I liked what you wrote. Here is some historical background for atrocities committed to Jews:is important to remember that the Holocaust did not occur at the spur of the moment. There is a long history of expulsions, killings , and usurpation of the property of Jews from the end of the fourteenth century to the Hlocaust in Europe.Before the Holocaust there was a constant effort to demonize Jews all over the world, especially Europe.Lord Cromer, Britain’s proconsul in Egypt (1883-1907), divided humanity into “governing races” and “subject races”, while T. E. Lawrence called Egyptians “worms”. This is hardly different from “vermin”, the Nazi epithet for Jews.Lord Balfour, whose 1917 declaration handed over Palestine to Europeans, was intensely anti-Jewish and was so disturbed by the possible mass migration of east European Jews into Britain following pogroms in Russia that as prime minister he had the Aliens Act passed in 1905 to block their migration to Britain. And Mark Sykes (of the Sykes-Picot pact fame) called the Jews “the archetype of cosmopolitan financier, rootless money grubber….contemptible”.Churchill believed that “atheistic Jews” were behind the Russian revolution, and often referred to the Bolsheviks as “bacillus”— a pet Nazi term for Jews. An article “By the Rt. Hon. Winston S. Churchill” in the February 8, 1920, issue of the Illustrated Sunday Herald, named Karl Marx, Bela Kuhn, Rosa Luxembourg and others among Jews who were behind “every subversive movement” in the 19th century. He also accused Trotsky of attempting to set up a world communist empire “under Jewish domination”.DO WE STILL WANT TO VOTE FOR THE RIGHT WING PARTY?

  • williamhn

    Thank you Spiderman2. In the future I will avoid spreading ignorance now that I see you have that job firmly under control.

  • spiderman2

    andrea wrote “I guess her anti-abortion and creationist views might appeal to ultra orthodox- but not to most of the rest of us.”I think the most ignorant are those who despise Palin. Where in the world can a universe be formed which is FULL OF INTELLIGENCE from flowers to bees. They think they have answers to everything when they can’t even win over a simple HIV virus. Remember, HIV viruses don’t have brains and yet it’s beating our so called “brilliant scientists” like pulp.

  • spiderman2

    andrea wrote “I guess her anti-abortion and creationist views might appeal to ultra orthodox- but not to most of the rest of us.”I think the most ignorant are those who despise Palin. Where in the world can a universe be formed (which is FULL OF INTELLIGENCE from flowers to bees) without an intelligent being behind it. They think they have answers to everything when they can’t even win over a simple HIV virus. Remember, HIV viruses don’t have brains and yet it’s beating our so called “brilliant scientists” like pulp.

  • joe

    Why do Jews support democrats and liberals who clearly favor Arab terrorists?

  • Ed

    “…Palin has had good relations with her Jewish constituents”…??? All 58 of them?

  • Scheherazade

    All of my Jewish friends are voting for BO. One of the things that puzzles me is that the “Jews for Jesus” people don’t actually believe that Jewish people (unless they believe that Jesus is a divinity) can actually go to “heaven”. As far as I am concerned, this is anti-Semitism at its worst. Ms. Palin is a gloating, belligerent fundamentalist, with no inclination or interest in intellectual curiosity or religious tolerance. She is a friend to no one but herself and her own insular interests. Whatever they may be.

  • R. Juneau

    All I have to say is keep your damn religion out of my government!! whiteagle38

  • Jeff

    Jacques, you’re just nuts.There is no significant youth movement in the Jewish community heading right. I’m young, I’m jewish, I attend synagogue and am active in my community and we are as liberal-leaning as my parents’ generation, without a doubt. Any incrase in GOP/Jewish voting this year is just noise that I attribute to the fact that McCain is well-respected in the Jewish Community, notwithstanding the fact that his current campaign bears no resemblance to his prior campaigns or his centrist tendencies in the Senate. Many Jews are looking past the filthy campaign and giving McCain the nod based on his past record as a moderate. It’s not an endorsement of the GOP platform overall by increasing numbers of jews (young or old). The overall numbers regarding the Jewish vote will always stay heavily tilted toward the left because the tenets of judaism, our history and culture are liberal and scholarly/intellectual in nature and that mentality finds much more comfort in the left than the right. (I admit at this point that my argument does not consider the Orthodox community, but they are a small portion of America’s Jewish community at any rate).Most Jews consider themselves intellectuals and have a hunger for higher education and academic pursuits. Palin, in contrast, is anti-intellectual and this is why Jews are reacting negatively toward her. She can placate all she wants and talk fondly about Israel but it will not work. I know the republicans support Israel as much as the democrats, but that doesn’t change the fact that I personally view Palin as a lightweight who is way out of her league on the national political stage.I probably know 500 young (under 40) Jews and one- yes one – is a member of the Republican Jewish Coalition. One!

  • Jeff (again)

    And one more point: Don Young is about to lose to a Jewish Democrat in Alaska. So I think your argument that Palin and the Alaska GOP have good relations with Alaska’s Jews is about to fly out the window.

  • Barry Jackson

    Why should Jews vote for Obama?

  • paul taylor

    Strange! Left out of all this discussion was the single most important reason the Jewish vote is migrating to the Republican Party. George Bush has been doing, by occupying Iraq, and by ignoring the Palestinian suffrage in his support of Israel, just what many Jews want him to be doing. Oh, yes, you may ask Sen. Joseph Lieberman about this. And it is strange that this has escaped Mr. Berlinerblau. Or, is it simply one of those gargantuan facts that are easy to overlook?

  • Fred

    Who the f*ck gives a sh*t who the Jews vote for. What are they, like 5 million people is the U.S.?

  • Ellen

    In this sentence:Did you mean to write 2008 in the first question instead of 2004? Otherwise it doesn’t make much sense. Thank you.

  • Concerned The Christian Now Liberated

    With respect to the Malaysian Muslim vote:Please note that the Reality Challenged and Obfuscating Jihadist continues to avoid addressing the Worst Book Ever Written aka the koran. Its many faults are pointed out in the books of Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Sir Salman Rushdie. The Jihadist cannot read said books for fear of Islamic terror squads which says it all for the current and past state of Islam i.e. a warmongering, women-abusing, terror religion based on the hallucinations of one illiterate and long dead Arab by the name of Mahound aka Mohammed

  • Anonymous

    Farnaz on October 29, 2008 8:13 PM :Jacques,One other question: As you know, many Israelis and Lebanese blame the Bush administration and the Christian Congress for the attacks on Lebanon. Just like the Christian neocons, billionaires, and Christian oil hogs, your normal Christians, Catholics, whatever, want to use Pakistan to kill terrorists and anyone in the way of there killing terrorists, they wanted to use Israel to kill terrorists who might harm the Christians.That’s because they own the Congress, Supreme Court. It’s the way they are.Just like they give eight billion dollars to the pig Mubarak every year to spend on himself and his family, give to terrorists to kill Jews, while Egyptians starve.Meanwhile, back at the farm, the Christian TheoCons, Popists, Byzantines, what have you have covered Iraq in blood.They supported Shah of Iran, my country, Shah that fascist Christian loving pig, then they brought us the clown Khomeini and the A-holes we now have.Questions: What does it take to stop the Christofascists of the world?Will Israel ever trust them again?Will the Israeli government stop breaking up anti-American demonstrations?See, the thing is, the Christians don’t even care who they kill. They’d kill their own mothers. Look at 9/11.^^^^^^^^^^^^Are you sure you are not a Christophobic Sunni Muslim?IMHO the rant is kind of unusual for an atheist Jew from Iran living in the US.

  • Deshar

    Thanks to Student of History,I have always wondered why so much contemporary animosity between Jews and Muslims. When historically Jews had always sought refuge in Muslim countries due to intense persecution in Europe.My on view on the Jewish factor on the US elections is that, Jews should not always take consolation in the current overwhelming suport for Israel by the US government. Its better to make peace with the Arab neighbours to secure the Israeli state and people. For one, America might not always give such support and might not always be in the position in the future to ensure Israeli security.Jews should learn from history, make peace with the Arabs or better still be on friendly terms with the Arabs.

  • Anonymous

    Deshar,Why did Jews flee from the Middle East in recent times?Farnaz on this blog claims to have fled Iran as an atheist Jew.

  • sparrow4

    Paul taylor wrote:”George Bush has been doing, by occupying Iraq, and by ignoring the Palestinian suffrage in his support of Israel, just what many Jews want him to be doing.”actually, no. we want peace in the Middle east and a world where Palestinians and Jews can live side by side. Bush has made the world more dangerous for all of us. He hasn’t supported Israel- he’s given it lip service and nothing else. And I’ll thank you to not speak for Jews since you know nothing about us.

  • spiderman2

    Deshar wrote “Jews should learn from history, make peace with the Arabs or better still be on friendly terms with the Arabs. “This is the way most Obama supporters think. They are always clueless. Most muslims don’t want Israel to exist. If you want to be “friends” with them then leave Israel en masse.The big question is, can the Jews do that?

  • steve conn

    I am a Jew who lived in Alaska from 1972 until 2007. Sarah Palin has good relations with the Jewish community as attested by my Rabbi there in an interview with a national Jewish paper. She works with Jewish legislators all the time. Her own beliefs are NEVER foisted on other Alaskans outside of her faith.

  • spiderman2

    The prophecy says that a big portion in the Middle East will be possessed by the tribe of Jacob. The prophecy also says that it will only happen if Jacob’s tribe will be converted to TRUE Christianity. Most Jews are not yet converted to TRUE Christianity and yet they already own part of the Middle East. It runs counter to the prophecy and I think that is the problem. The time is not yet ripe.

  • wardropper

    “. . . but she is saying and doing all the right things to capture Jewish attention . . .”Of course she is.

  • Deshar

    Anonymous: “Deshar,Why did Jews flee from the Middle East in recent times?Farnaz on this blog claims to have fled Iran as an atheist Jew.”————————————————-I thought Israel is in the middle East. I think you wanted to ask “Why did Jews flee Arab countries in recent times?”The creation of Israel and subsequent Israeli-Arab wars constitute the major cause for the flee and migration of Jews from Arab and Islamic territories.Iran still has the largest Jewish population in Middle East apart from Israel. Estmated around 25,000 strong with a representative in Iran’s parliament. Christian Catholic Poland had the largest population of Jews in Europe, the last time I checked they are virtually non-existent

  • sparrow4

    “Most Jews are not yet converted to TRUE Christianity and yet they already own part of the Middle East. It runs counter to the prophecy and I think that is the problem.’Ohhh- we’re so sorry spidey. Quick! Let’s all us Jews convert so spidey’s prophecy can come true. Gosh- I wouldn’t want to stand in spidey’s way. After all, isn’t Jesus depending on him?wait- maybe we can sell ALL our territory in the middle east. I mean, we own sooooooo much of it. Maybe we can sell at a discount to, oh, I dunno…Saudi Arabia?

  • spiderman2

    sparrow4, conversion to TRUE Christianity is a GIFT from God. In the future, the prophecy says that the Jews will be converted. Until that happens, there will be trouble in Israel. The time is not yet ripe.

  • sparrow4

    Don’t hold your breath spidey. The day I take a prophecy from you seriously will be the day you act like a rational human being. And I’m not holding my breath for that.

  • marx&lenin

    the money factor$in a juchristiansecularcapitalistic paradigm society ,the money factor should not underestimated$if you wd remmber,people vote for the one who put more money in their pocket in sharp disregard to religion or even common baisc human morality.i tell you people from deep down in my grave holea$ money test $ is no less vital than religion test or baisc morality test where america goes for money$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!

  • spiderman2

    sparrow4, don’t bet against the prophecy. You can’t win against it. If you have to die for it to be fulfilled, that would happen. Doomsday is for those who will oppose the prophecy. Many will oppose it and many will be doomed.That is why it’s called DOOMSDAY.

  • judge not

    JUST A FEW WORDS THAT MANY DON’T KNOW, CAN’T SAY, OR WOULD REFUTE.AS A CHRISTIAN, I AM SICK OF THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN – JUDGING OTHERS AND GIVING CHRISTIANS A BAD NAME. THEY CONSTANTLY DENY OTHERS THE FREE WILL UPON WHICH MY RELIGION IS BASED. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY READ THE BIBLE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO QUOTE WHAT THEY HEARD MIGHT BE IN IT. GET OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE’S BEDROOMS. TRULY homophobia IS a great AMERICAN FAULT. TRAVEL IS IN ORDER FOR PALIN TO INCREASE HER WORLD VIEW,AND TO HELP HER STOP TRYING TO BE BETTER THAN HER FELLOWS. SHE SHOULD SHOW COMPASSION AND LOVE FOR ALL, AND LET GOD DO THE JUDGING. CELEBRATE DIVERSITY!GANDHI SAID, “I LIKE YOUR CHRIST BUT I CARE NOTHING FOR YOUR CHRISTIAN. YOUR CHRISTIAN IS SO UNLIKE YOUR CHRIST.”TO THE 33 PASTORS WHO ARE SO CAUGHT UP WITH THIS ELECTION THAT THEY ARE REVOLTING AGAINST THE IRS AND CHALLENGING GOD TO PROVE WHICH SIDE HE IS ON, I SAY THE FOLLOWING: WHEN YOU TRY TO POINT AND SHOOT GOD, HE DOES NOT SEEM TO LIKE IT. WHEN YOU PRAY FOR BAD WEATHER AND MISFORTUNE TO BEFALL OTHERS, YOU MIGHT REGRET IT. SOME PASTORS WHO RECENTLY CAPTURED THE HEADLINES, SHOULD REMEMBER THAT THE BIBLE SAYS, GOD’S JUDGEMENT WILL BEGIN WITH THE PULPIT. THE SAME COMPASSION AND FREE WILL YOU DENY TO OTHERS MIGHT JUST BE DENIED TO YOU IN THE END. PLANT SEEDS AND MOVE ON. HUMBLE YOURSELVES AND PREPARE YOUR CONGREGATION FOR THE FINAL JUDGEMENT. LET THEM KNOW THAT SATAN WILL COME FIRST WITH MANY ISSUES DESIGNED TO KEEP US APART.FINALLY, THE EFFORTS BY SOME TO DRAW A WEDGE BETWEEN AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND JEWISH VOTERS WILL FOREVER BE PROBLEMATIC. REMEMBER THE CIVIL RIGHTS WORKERS AND THE GRATITUDE OWED? AGAIN,REMEMBER THE STORY OF ABRAHAM AND HIS COMPASSION FOR THE FUGITIVE SLAVE IN GENESIS, AND YOU WILL KNOW OF THE UNIQUE BOND AND SHARED WELL BEING OF TWO GROUPS THAT MAY NOT BE SPOKEN, BUT IS PASSED DOWN FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION. DON’T LEND AN EAR TO THOSE WHO WOULD, FOR POLITICAL REASONS, DENY THE BOND BETWEEN AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND JEWS – TWO GROUPS THAT KNOW ABOUT SUFFERING AND INJUSTICE PERHAPS LIKE NO OTHERS. Whether the number lost through the actions of madmen in slavery and the holocaust is 6,000,000 OR 600,000,000? I JOIN WITH JEWS AND SAY NEVER AGAIN!

  • spiderman2

    judge_not, it’s you who is judging, idiot. “Males committed indecent acts with males, and received within themselves the appropriate penalty for their perversion.” (Romans 1:27)

  • spiderman2

    sparrow4, don’t bet against the prophecy. You can’t win against it. If you have to die for it to be fulfilled, that would happen. Doomsday is for those who will oppose the prophecy. Many will oppose it and many will be doomed.That is why it’s called DOOMSDAY.

  • Anonymous

    Deshar:I thought Israel is in the middle East. I think you wanted to ask “Why did Jews flee Arab countries in recent times?”The creation of Israel and subsequent Israeli-Arab wars constitute the major cause for the flee and migration of Jews from Arab and Islamic territories.Iran still has the largest Jewish population in Middle East apart from Israel. Estimated around 25,000 strong with a representative in Iran’s parliament. Christian Catholic Poland had the largest population of Jews in Europe, the last time I checked they are virtually non-existentOctober 30, 2008 12:45 AM___________________________________________You are right, I meant Arab countries. I couldn’t possibly have meant that Jews were fleeing Israel.Farnaz on this blog who claims to be an atheist Jew would not agree with you that Iran has the largest Jewish population with representation in the Iranian Parliament. She is eager to return to Iran when it becomes safe for Jews to live there. At least that seems to be the impression she has given.As to Polish and other European Jews, both from the East and West, there is a large contingent of them in Israel. At least that is what a Polish Jew from Haifa told me. His grandparents were killed in the Holocaust but his parents escaped. He was born in Israel. He also said that European, Asian and African Jews tend to attend different synagogues because of their cultural differences, their Jewishness notwithstanding.

  • sparrow4

    g-d, spidey- :”If you have to die for it to be fulfilled, that would happen. Doomsday is for those who will oppose the prophecy. Many will oppose it and many will be doomed.” You are one sick puppy. If that’s the world you want and what you pray for, you’re welcome to it. It sounds disgusting and more like hell than heaven. If that’s the Christianity you practice, keep it. I feel sorry for you though. You live a vibrantly ugly life.

  • Donald Goodman

    “seriously considering McCain, until he selected his running mate.”It’s not the “populist rhetoric of small-town America” that worries Jews like me, it’s the aggressive, inflexible, our-way-or-else proselytizing of Evangelical Christianity. A country with reformation-christian values and secular rule of law is safe for non-Christians. Evangelical Christianity wants a Christian nation that (maybe) tolerates non-Christians, which is a very different thing. My grandparents left Poland because that sort of society was intolerable.Jews I talk to who disagree (a minority) see proselytizing Evangelical Christianity as a side issue. Those who agree feel threatened by Creationism, End-of-Days, the Rapture, etc., and the anti-intellectual mindset of true believers.

  • Anonymous

    Poland is 90% Roman Catholic. RC is hardly known for aggressive proselytizing in Europe considering Christianity has been around long enough there. Non-Catholics practice their religion freely in Poland. Maybe most Jews would have some difficulty being so close to Auschwitz memories?

  • Anonymous

    Poland is 90% Roman Catholic. RC is hardly known for aggressive proselytizing in Europe considering Christianity has been around long enough there. Non-Catholics practice their religion freely in Poland.Maybe most Jews would have some difficulty being so close to Auschwitz memories, even if was German Nazis and not Poles who are responsible for the genocide and Poles were themselves victims?

  • sparrow4

    anon- despite being victims, the Poles were virulently antisemitic and had no problem following Germany’s lead. My mother’s family died in Warsaw. Forgive me if I don’t shed tears for the Poles.

  • Shoshanna Nickel

    It does not take an expert on American Jewish attitudes to realize that many, many Jews are deeply disturbed by the organization Jews for Jesus.

  • Anonymous

    Sparrow4, it wasn’t about shedding tears for Poles. I was merely speculating that the reluctance of Jews to live in Poland may have a lot to do with the physical proximity of Auschwitz rather than the presence of 90% Polish Roman Catholics.

  • Matt Goodman

    So Palin said all the right things to the Jewish community? I and many Jews around me question her motives for being pro-Israel. We feel she is sincerely speaking not to Jews, but to an Evangelical base whose support for Israel is rooted in the Book of Revelations. Palin and her fellow congregants in the Pentecostal Church view Jews and a strong Israel as a necessity if Jesus is to return to earth.They truly believe this will happen in their lifetime, after which Jews will be converted or suffer everlasting damnation. I and many Jews like me find this medievalist philosophy deeply offensive and dangerous in a US vice-presidential candidate.

  • windrider

    “(she met, for example, on Monday with Israeli Ambassador to the United States, Sallai Meridor)”

  • Seth Rogoff

    The claim that “Palin herself has no association with the type of anti-Semitism that once characterized professors of that rhetoric” misses the crucial point. Christian populism which deploys identity issues to rally people in support of political causes is a bad sign for religious minorities – Jews, perhaps, first and foremost. Palin’s combination of vigorous nationalism, Christian fundamentalism, with strict categories of insider and outsider forms a potent cocktail which could in short time serve anti-Semitic forces within her passionate coalition. Economic stress worsens the plight of minorities within a political system – popular anxiety feeds intolerance. Palin’s choice of urban intellectuals as enemy number one does nothing to ease the mind of Jews – we should remember that urban intellectualism has been a populist Christian anti-Semitic theme for centuries. Strong reaction to Palin’s message is no surprise. Jews have reason to worry.

  • Anonymous

    There is a very good reason why it is considered impolite to discuss politics in a friendly gathering and the best people stay out of partisan politics.People develop a twisted logic to justify their support for a candidate and they demonize the parties they don’t support for no reason at all.

  • vballboy

    Republicans, and particularly evangelical Christians, are very pro-Israel without regard to human rights concerns of innocents in Israel-Palestine. Evangelicals have a parallel desire of hard right Israelis that they must hold the Holy Land against infidels/heathens. Hard right Jewsih settlers refuse to leave West Bank towns that they independently settled in recent years. Evangelicals do not apprciate Islamic or non-Judeo-Christian claims to the area, granted Bedoins and others have lived there as long, if not longer, than decendents of Abraham and Moses. Reaching a negotiated peace in Israel must get past centuries of hatred. Jews and Palestians (and Christians in an obtuse relationship) must somehow agree to share lands that have never really been owned and lands that were certainly put into clear dispute after World War II when Israel was created. Moderate and peace-seeking Israelis are very much in favor of sharing Israel but right-wing Jews, evangelical Christians and extremist Muslims seem willing to fight forever to win thier goals. Moderate voices must be heard over the road of the conflict-loving extremists of all religions or Holt Wars and Crusades will eb the legacy for the Middle East, not just Israel.

  • jay

    I believe that God is one, and different forms of God were created by my for his own selfish interest

  • Bill Keller

    The Jewish sense of attacking injustice is eroding as it becomes a beneficiary of the injustice. This goes with any group that finds wealth increasing at the expense of other members of a society. It is a method of isolation from shame of their actions to which the WASPs effectively succumbed of the last two centuries.

  • Bethesda, Maryland

    One of the earliest reports about Palin was that she sat happily in church while a visiting pastor stated that God sent the Arabs to bedevil Israel when the Jews failed to convert. This is typical of her brand of evangelism. As I joke to friends, they talk about Israel all the time because they can’t wait to send us there! I want to be treated fairly right here. This these people never will do.

  • Asim, San Antonio

    The American jews voted for and will always vote for the candidate who is totally and blindly baised to the racist,apartheid,militaristic,occypying religious theocrcary-”israel.” Party affiliation is not the deciding factor for jewish votes unless it coincides with gross bias to “israel,” otherwise jews will jump ship as Joe Liberman did to hug both GW and now McCain because of their war on Iraq-which jews and “israel” view as a net gaing to it.

  • Jeff

    Asim: “The American jews voted for and will always vote for the candidate who is totally and blindly baised to the racist,apartheid,militaristic,occypying religious theocrcary-”israel.” This is simply bigoted nonsense. If you know any Jewish people well, you know that many are not Zionists and, even if they support the existence of Israel, do not support all policies of the Israeli government. In Israel itself, the vast majority of the population wants to trade land for peace. I have never voted for candidates who are blindly biased toward Israel. My loyalty to the U.S.A. should not be in question simply because of my religious affiliation.

  • Anonymous

    Iran still has the largest Jewish population in Middle East apart from Israel. Estmated around 25,000 strong with a representative in Iran’s parliament. Christian Catholic Poland had the largest population of Jews in Europe, the last time I checked they are virtually non-existentIs this a joke? There are very few Jews and Christians left in Iran, the majority of both having fled. Jews were also tortured and killed, like my family’s friend, Ismael, who was murdered in front of my eyes when I was a child, murdered by the Iranian National Guard in the street, while being “taken into custody.” The Christian-loving Muslim fascist Shah, supported by the wealthy Christian U.S. set the stage for Muslim fascist Khomeini, whom the Catholic oil prostitutes of France kept safe. Many Iranian Muslims also think the AmeriChristains helped put in Khomeini after it was clear they (the AmericChristians) couldn’t hold onto the Christian loving Shah.Now we have the clown Ahkmedinijad, who was never actually legally “elected” and is, in fact, not the power in Iran.Iran’s current target of persecution are the Bahai. Their plight is so serious, they are so endangered that they have been so classified by the United Nations. Meanwhile, wealthy Iran’s people don’t have jobs and are demonstrating every day, getting beaten and locked up, etc.The Christians here don’t care. They’re still living high off the hog, accumulating massive wealth while 28 per cent of American Jews live below the poverty guidelines and the Christians own people here and abroad starve.Them’s the Christians fer ya, the Catholics, the Protestants, and the Byzantines.What do Muslims think of Christians? REALLY? THE TRUTH? Exploiters with no morality whatsoever. Heathens who believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God and will go straight to hell for it. What do they do with Christians in Muslim countries? In Palestine, many of them have fled to Israel, which, for reasons I can’t imagine continues to take them. IN Pakistan, the Christians are among the poorest of the poor and they are kept that way. They are the “sweepers,” the people who sweep the streets. They have nothing, starve, etc.Those few who become successful often wind up in jail.Here, many Muslims, like those who cheered and celebrated when the WTC went up in flames (how did they know what was happening) quietly talk hate amongst themselves. They can’t say what they want to about Christians because they live in a Christian country and want to get some of the Christian pie, which the Christians stole anyway.

  • Jeff

    “The Jewish sense of attacking injustice is eroding as it becomes a beneficiary of the injustice. This goes with any group that finds wealth increasing at the expense of other members of a society.”At the expense of other members of society? Interesting assumption- you mean Jews get money in ways Islamic people, or Catholic people, do not? Evidence for that assertion is lacking.

  • Farnaz

    That last post was mine. Speaking of greedy muslims who want their share of the Christian pie, who are voting for McCain in order to get it, look at asim, racist piggie, who says its from Texas.

  • Reader24

    Regarding the Palin factor: I encountered the same anecdotal evidence first-hand myself, and heard about it second-hand from many more.This may sound a bit racist, but let me say this:The corollary is that a stupid, uneducated and anti-science person like Palin positively repels, and somewhat frighten us.

  • Jeff

    “I was merely speculating that the reluctance of Jews to live in Poland may have a lot to do with the physical proximity of Auschwitz rather than the presence of 90% Polish Roman Catholics.”The reluctance of Jews to live in Poland is largely due to the severe and pervasive anti-Jewish bigotry in that country. Even mainstream politicians appeal to hatred of Jews to court voters in Poland.

  • Pawan Singh

    Farnaz-”Here, many Muslims, like those who cheered and celebrated when the WTC went up in flames (how did they know what was happening) quietly talk hate amongst themselves. They can’t say what they want to about Christians because they live in a Christian country and want to get some of the Christian pie, which the Christians stole anyway.”I always wondered about that. How come so many Muslims seemed to know what was happening at the WTC when the rest of us didn’t?

  • John Dale

    What is suspect about this article is that the author attempts to pre-qualify his text by citing his credentials, the blah-blah professor of the Blah-Blah School of Blah-Blah. Secondly, when he talks of the rise in Jewish vote for Republicans, he cites no sources for his information, hardly scholarly of him. Thirdly, which Jew is he talking about? The Jewish community is no homogeneous demographic. Jews vary in their allegiances like any other group, a quick comparison from where I live between the successful Manhattanite and the Zionist camps in upstate NY quickly dispels the illusionary “Jew”. Is this guy bucking for tenure or something?

  • Farnaz

    The Jewish community is no homogeneous demographic. Jews vary in their allegiances like any other group, a quick comparison from where I live between the successful Manhattanite and the Zionist camps in upstate NY quickly dispels the illusionary “Jew”. Is this guy bucking for tenure or something?Well and then you’ve got all your successful Christianists voting for McCain and your unsuccessful Christianists voting for McCain, both groups in Manhattan, the other burroughs and the rest of the US. It’s not just your Christofascists exploiting Israel, killing Iraqis etc. Your Christianists aren’t all homogeneous, of course, but they’re all looking for the money, honey.

  • Evan

    “Here, many Muslims, like those who cheered and celebrated when the WTC went up in flames (how did they know what was happening) quietly talk hate amongst themselves. They can’t say what they want to about Christians because they live in a Christian country and want to get some of the Christian pie, which the Christians stole anyway.”Yes, indeed. How did all the Muslims know?

  • Anonymous

    Jeff:The reluctance of Jews to live in Poland is largely due to the severe and pervasive anti-Jewish bigotry in that country. Even mainstream politicians appeal to hatred of Jews to court voters in Poland.October 30, 2008 8:20 AM___________________________________________The number of Jews are hardly high enough for them to make a huge difference, so that couldn’t possibly be the reason. Maybe there are other reasons why Jews didn’t remain after WW II. They had the opportunity to migrate to other countries and to Israel after it was created. Poland under Communists was hardly an attractive deal. After the fall of the Soviet Union, Poland was quite poor by West European standards until recently. Again not much of an incentive to live there when there are better options to choose from.

  • Elan

    Anon:You don’t know anything about what you’re talking about. The Polish Catholics murdered Poles after they tried to return to their homes after world war II. Hilariously, they’re still antisemitic even with no Jews in Poland, or to be more precise, very few. The above is all well documented.Funny thing is even though the Polish Catholics stole everything even the poorest Polish Jews had, including their lives, they still keep stealing from each other.Hard to figure out all that greed.BIGGER QUESTION:How did all the Muslims know what was happening at the WTC when the rest of us didn’t?

  • hartmann_john

    Oy vey!

  • Anonymous

    ELAN:How did the Muslims know about WTC when non-Muslims didn’t? I’m not a Muslim and I didn’t know.Ask Farnaz! She is the one who posted the message.

  • Farnaz

    All others must be wary of this woman as she will ram christianity down your throat given the opportunityJesus, Mary, and Uncle Joe. What else is new?

  • Elan

    ANON:I wasn’t asking you, and wouldn’t since you don’t know what you’re talking about. Farnaz asked the question, so, obviously, he doesn’t know the answer. Only a Muslim like yourself could know. We all saw the pictures on TV of Muslims cheering right here in the US when the WTC went up in flames, so how come you Muslims knew what it was all about? Huh?

  • Anonymous

    ELAN:Jews in Poland is not a topic I’m an expert at. But the claim that Poles murdered Jews when they tried to return seems a bit hard to believe. They joined forces with the Allies to defeat the Germans and liberate as many Jews as they could. So they couldn’t have been all that terrible. But as I said I’m no expert on the matter. Jews suffered beyond imagination that is for sure. I do not know all the millions of incidents that make up their tale of sorrow. All I can feel is unending sympathy. As a people I feel bottomless respect and awe for them.

  • Elan

    We all saw the pictures on TV of Muslims cheering right here in the US when the WTC went up in flames, so how come you Muslims knew what it was all about? Huh?

  • Anonymous

    Elan:ANON:I wasn’t asking you, and wouldn’t since you don’t know what you’re talking about. Farnaz asked the question, so, obviously, he doesn’t know the answer.Only a Muslim like yourself could know. We all saw the pictures on TV of Muslims cheering right here in the US when the WTC went up in flames, so how come you Muslims knew what it was all about? Huh?October 30, 2008 8:52 AMMaybe you lost your train of thought there? You are not asking me, yet you are asking me, etc.

  • Anonymous

    Farnaz:That last post was mine. Speaking of greedy muslims who want their share of the Christian pie, who are voting for McCain in order to get it, look at asim, racist piggie, who says its from Texas.October 30, 2008 8:15 AM | Report Offensive CommentPosted on October 30, 2008 08:15Iran still has the largest Jewish population in Middle East apart from Israel. Estmated around 25,000 strong with a representative in Iran’s parliament. Christian Catholic Poland had the largest population of Jews in Europe, the last time I checked they are virtually non-existentIs this a joke? There are very few Jews and Christians left in Iran, the majority of both having fled. Jews were also tortured and killed, like my family’s friend, Ismael, who was murdered in front of my eyes when I was a child, murdered by the Iranian National Guard in the street, while being “taken into custody.”The Christian-loving Muslim fascist Shah, supported by the wealthy Christian U.S. set the stage for Muslim fascist Khomeini, whom the Catholic oil prostitutes of France kept safe. Many Iranian Muslims also think the AmeriChristains helped put in Khomeini after it was clear they (the AmericChristians) couldn’t hold onto the Christian loving Shah.Now we have the clown Ahkmedinijad, who was never actually legally “elected” and is, in fact, not the power in Iran.Iran’s current target of persecution are the Bahai. Their plight is so serious, they are so endangered that they have been so classified by the United Nations.Meanwhile, wealthy Iran’s people don’t have jobs and are demonstrating every day, getting beaten and locked up, etc.The Christians here don’t care. They’re still living high off the hog, accumulating massive wealth while 28 per cent of American Jews live below the poverty guidelines and the Christians own people here and abroad starve.Them’s the Christians fer ya, the Catholics, the Protestants, and the Byzantines.What do Muslims think of Christians? REALLY? THE TRUTH? Exploiters with no morality whatsoever. Heathens who believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God and will go straight to hell for it. What do they do with Christians in Muslim countries?In Palestine, many of them have fled to Israel, which, for reasons I can’t imagine continues to take them. IN Pakistan, the Christians are among the poorest of the poor and they are kept that way. They are the “sweepers,” the people who sweep the streets. They have nothing, starve, etc.Those few who become successful often wind up in jail.Here, many Muslims, like those who cheered and celebrated when the WTC went up in flames (how did they know what was happening) quietly talk hate amongst themselves. They can’t say what they want to about Christians because they live in a Christian country and want to get some of the Christian pie, which the Christians stole anyway.October 30, 2008 8:13 AM

  • Elan

    ELAN:Let me make it simple for you. Only a Muslim, just as you are a Muslim, would know the answer to the question. You, however, though Muslim, don’t know what you’re talking about, so the question isn’t addressed to you.QUESTION (not for Anon):We all saw the pictures on TV of Muslims cheering right here in the US when the WTC went up in flames, so how come you Muslims knew what it was all about? Huh?

  • Pawan Singh

    We all saw the pictures on TV of Muslims cheering right here in the US when the WTC went up in flames, so how come you Muslims knew what it was all about? Huh?Elan, this is my question, too. Where’s the answer?

  • Leon

    As a 69 year old male, secular Jew, I too might have considered McCain until he selected Palin. My religion did not dictate my disdain form Palin, but rather as a American I was concerned about the country if something should happen to McCain. So my vote will go to Obama, albeit without 100% enthusiasm. So McCain had a good three weeks with Palin on the plus side and now has to live the rest of the time with Palin being a drag on the election for President.

  • Pawan Singh

    We all saw the pictures on TV of Muslims cheering right here in the US when the WTC went up in flames, so how come you Muslims knew what it was all about? Huh?

  • Anonymous

    American Jews have always voted for the candidate or the party that promised to protect Zionist Israel interests in the USA and unconditionally supported Israel in the Middle East at the expense of Arabs neighbours, which has caused nothing but death and destruction and killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children in the region. American Muslims must participate in the making of US foreign policy and exerting as much influence as the American Jewish Lobby exerts to safe guard Israel’s interests first then of the USA. Wars have been fought on behalf of Israel in the Middle East at the expense of American tax payers money and crippled of US economy; this partiality must stop. USA is the world’s biggest military power and must change its attitude towards Israel’s neighbours and treat them fairly and with justice.

  • Elan

    We all saw the pictures on TV of Muslims cheering right here in the US when the WTC went up in flames, so how come you Muslims knew what it was all about? Huh?Still waiting for the answer….

  • Jay

    Analyze in your mind who would Archie Bunker have voted for in this election. Then decide either way.

  • Greg285

    Jacques,I’m not sure what polls you is watching or where you get you information, but according to the latest polling numbers, Jewish voters are trending to Obama. The Jewish vote for the Democratic nominee is now within range of the traditional 70-80%… And more importantly, he’s wining the Jewish vote in the State of Florida. I understand the message you were attempting to convey, buy you argument would have been better if you told the truth….

  • Jeff

    “American Jews have always voted for the candidate or the party that promised to protect Zionist Israel interests in the USA and unconditionally supported Israel in the Middle East at the expense of Arabs neighbours, which has caused nothing but death and destruction and killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children in the region.”This is a nonsensical statement, because all candidates have promised to protect Israel and stand by its right to exist. I am not a Zionist, but I think the lies about disloyal Jews caring only about Israel’s existence, at the expense of Palestinians and other Arab and Persian people, is just another malicious form of bigotry. Someday the liars will be held accountable for their deeds.

  • Anonymous

    This thread has spun out of control. Nobody knows who is who. At least three Anonymous are posting. Who is the Muslim, who is the Jew, who are the others?

  • Farnaz

    Last post was mine.

  • Anonymous

    Jacques,I’m not sure what polls you is watching or where you get you information, but according to the latest polling numbers, Jewish voters are trending to Obama. The Jewish vote for the Democratic nominee is now within range of the traditional 70-80%… And more importantly, he’s wining the Jewish vote in the State of Florida. I understand the message you were attempting to convey, buy you argument would have been better if you told the truth….Greg,All true, but the bottom line is as Observer12 notes. The Christians (Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox) will elect the next president.Therefore, we need to know what percentage of them will be voting for McCain, what percentage for Obama.Jews are less than two per cent of the population, so whom they vote for is largely irrelevant to the outcome. It’s the Christians who will elect the president. And, of course, Pawan and Elan, we all want to know, and I mean all, the answer to that question.

  • Shnorrer

    It’s very simple. As a group, Jews are highly educated. Ergo, they see Palin for what she is. Thus, they reject the McCain-Palin ticket.

  • Pawan Singh

    Elan wrote:We all saw the pictures on TV of Muslims cheering right here in the US when the WTC went up in flames, so how come you Muslims knew what it was all about? Huh?Still waiting for the answer..I’m still waiting too.

  • Wop

    The answer to the WTC question is simple. The Muslims knew because they blew it up. Duh!

  • Molly

    I am Jewish and personally I do not give a hoot about Israel. If people think that Jew’s are voting for a person because of their views toward Israel then they are wrong. Maybe older generations might give a s**t about Israel. I find it funny people think that Jews care more about Israel than other stuff. Personally, I care more if I have a job tomorrow and the eccomonic situation straightens itself out, or that I have enough to eat, put gas in my car then anything else. I am sure alot of Non-Jews feel the same way.

  • Farnaz

    Molly,Your post about yourself is quite fascinating, but hugely irrelevant, since Jews are less than 2 per cent of the population.The Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Christians are the majority in this country. So, we need to know whom the Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Christians will be voting for.

  • Pawan Singh

    “Wop:The answer to the WTC question is simple. The Muslims knew because they blew it up. Duh!”Thank you for your answer.

  • Stephen

    I’m a Zionist, always have been, and always will be.I’d also like the Christians to start guarding their own holy sites so Jews don’t die doing that to protect them from Muslims. Oh yeah. So who are the Christians voting for? Nobody’s been answering that question.

  • Scott

    McCain and Pallin no doubt appeal to many Jewish voters because of their staunchly pro-Israel rhetoric, but that position has less to do with courting the Jewish vote than with pandering to Christian evangelicals – not that he won’t take all the Jewish votes he can get. Admittedly, that’s a cynical view.

  • Mike

    As a young Jewish republican, I would say that the democratic party is very scared of the notion that Jews will trend republican. I see it in the way they tried attacking Palin over her pastors while conveniently ignoring the obvious hypocrisy. They tried to scare off Jews with talk about ties to Pat Buchanan. But I’m still more concerned with the “anti-war” left which is very anti-Israel. I’ve seen it at the rally’s and I’ve argued incessantly with them about their support for the Hamas “freedom fighters”.

  • Farnaz

    But I’m still more concerned with the “anti-war” left which is very anti-Israel. I’ve seen it at the rally’s and I’ve argued incessantly with them about their support for the Hamas “freedom fighters”.Mike, interesting point. How come the folks you speak with don’t see Al Quaeda as freedom fighters?After all, Bin Laden attacked the US because the AmeriChristians wouldn’t keep their dirty fingers out of Saudi Arabia. And, quite simply, look at what the AmeriChristians have done in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc., not even to mention Israel.So, I mean aren’t the Al Quaeda freedom fighters?

  • sparrow4

    so all of you who are wondering about how Muslims knew? were any of the you there? Did any of you bother to come to NYC and volunteer? Or did you all stay in your nice safe little cages and howl with the chorus of race-baiting. Trust me on this one- when it comes to haters there seem to be more than enough to go around.the answer? Al Qaeda knew. I have never seen broadcasts of American Muslims cheering- there were broadcasts of Palestinians dancing in the streets (For those of you who are so concerned about their rights, think on that). But if you look at pictures from around the world- there were thousands posted, and I looked at them exhaustively- you would see the grief and anger on our behalf, and the shock that such terror would be used against innocent people.Your comments sound exactly like what people said about Jews. That none of us died, mysteriously no Jew went to work on 9-11 because Israel called us up and told us not to go. And of course any moron with a brain cell could look up the victims and see this was simply a lie. for the record, Israeli intelligence did know and had warned the US, but Bush was too busy reading a story about billy goats to pay much attention.But by all means let’s all fan the flames and destroy what’s left of our integrity, and our country with all this hate. You do yourselves proud.

  • Farnaz

    SO WHO ARE THE CHRISTIANS VOTING FOR?WHAT’S THE MATTER? ARE YOU ALL COWARDS?I SEE JEWS ANSWERING THIS QUESTION…SO CATHOLICS, PROTESTANTS, ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS, WHO ARE THE CHRISTIANS VOTING FOR?

  • DWinFC

    I just can’t understand how anyone who is not a Christian can vote for the party with so much rhetoric about the US being a Christian nation. Hopefully all non-Christians join many reasonable Christians in recognizing the importance of maintaining the religious freedom that has been a hallmark of our country since the bill of rights established the concept in our constitution.

  • Stephen

    Sparrow4:”I have never seen broadcasts of American Muslims cheering- there were broadcasts of Palestinians dancing in the streets”Then you don’t own a television. There were broadcasts of Muslim communities cheering all over the US, and on the highways. One, an illegal immigrant, as it turned out, was arrested when he, among others, stopped his car, waved his shirt and cheered.There was also film footage from Palestine. You can go back and read the newspapers of the period and also access the tv news coverage.In the meantime, it would be helpful if you didn’t fabricate in the interest of “political correctness.” Truth is truth. Fact is fact.

  • ColeM

    For many centuries, a great deal of Jewish social tradition has been based on education, literacy, thoughtful consideration of issues and self dicipline. I suspect Palin is not popular because she lacks all of these qualities.While on the surface the ultra pro-Israel line may generate a bit of a positive emmotional response, the real answer will lie in more subtle nuanced negotiations and a long term plan to defuse the violence. I think that most jews recognise that, both here and in Israel, and are not looking for a trigger happy idiologue to solve these complex issues.

  • Farnaz

    SO WHO ARE THE CHRISTIANS VOTING FOR?WHAT’S THE MATTER? ARE YOU ALL COWARDS?I SEE JEWS ANSWERING THIS QUESTION…SO CATHOLICS, PROTESTANTS, ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS, WHO ARE THE CHRISTIANS VOTING FOR?

  • myrna abdel-gawad

    I am a 77 year old Jewish woman married to a Muslim for 44 years. Muslims and Jews are both descended from the Prophet Abraham. Jews consider themselves descendants of Abraham and Sarah. Muslims consider themselves descendants of Abraham and Hagar.

  • Chris

    Fact: Most Republicans are lower class stupid people. About 80% of Americans are uneducated and stupid (like most countries). That is why Republicans usually win. And that is why the Republican party decided to recruit Palin, as near to a redneck as you can get, just in case they might miss some of the christian/fascist vote.

  • sparrow4

    Stephen- I do own a tv and considering the mood of the time, communities of cheering muslims in this country would have been killed. Post the links, if you can. Course, I wasn’t spending as much time watching- I was down at the site working. After being in the subway beneath the towers when the second plane hit. I did say there was footage of Palestinians celebrating- you must not have read it.

  • Steven Vallas

    Re Jewish unease with Sarah Palin: It’s worth pointing out (as Frank Rich has noted repeatedly) that one of the small-town celebrants whom Palin loves to quote is the “now largely forgotten but once powerful right-wing Hearst columnist Westbrook Pegler,” whose infamy stemmed from his serial use of explicitly anti-Semitic rhetoric. To say that Palin has no direct ties to anti-Semitic groups is true (perhaps), but overlooks the affinity between the small town, “real American” culture she embraces and the anti-urban, anti-Jewish forces that favored precisely this kind of rhetoric. Does Palin consider Jews to be “real Americans”? And how do Jews feel when they see her invoking these kinds of rhetorical divisions? I for one will be surprised if the pro-GOP vote among Jews continues along its previous trend.

  • Yuri Lipitzmeov

    The reason the US is in the mess it is in is because of it’s ill conceived support for Israel, starting with that nincompoop Harry Truman. Why in heaven’s name the US had to jump into that mess is beyond me, outside of some collective guilt over the killing of Jews in Europe during WWII. Let’s not forget that many millions more non-jews also were killed during that time, yet all we ever hear about is the Jews. I am sick of it. Israel has a competent and well-equipped military, so let them defend themselves, while we tend to things at home.

  • Sami Jamil Jadallah

    Mr. Jacques Berlinerblau should be please to know that Haaretz,the Israeli newsppaper just posted on its website that American Jews with dual Israeli nationalities are flocking to vote for John McCain and Sara Palin 3 to 1 for Obama. It seems the meeting between Palin and the Israeli Ambasador in Washington worked very well. The government of the State of Israel is now delivering the votes for a McCain-Palin. If McCain wins I am sure the price for America will be high. We might as well get used to the idea of replacing the stars on our flag with that of the stars of David. I am sure Israel will even ask for more things like a war on Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Morocco, China, perhaps Russia.

  • Arminius

    Farnaz,This Christian, and others that I know, are voting for Obama.

  • Elizabeth Renant

    Count this pro-Israel, Jewish woman as one who ran to vote for Obama as soon as she got a whiff of Palin. Other people may choose to overlook the lessons of history, but if there’s one thing that Jews should have learned by now, it’s that their best safety in a still anti-Semitic world is a free and pluralistic society, and if there’s one thing Palin has demonstrated, it’s that she’s less than enamored of pluralism. Any time some candidate demonstrates a tendency to call historical events that she likes “God’s will” and insinuates that only a certain segment of a society “really” belongs there, run for the hills.The idea that Jews should feel fine voting for this ticket because Palin shares the Evangelical, Pentecostalist view that the Jews’ return to Israel is necessary to bring about the Second Coming doesn’t make her good either for America or Israel.Sarah Palin is insular, bigoted (others may choose to overlook that heinous quoting of Pegler in her convention speech if they choose, I can’t), poorly educated, uninformed about the office she’s running for (see George Wills’s column today), and failed utterly to grasp that there’s a difference between drawing a distinction between you and the other candidate, and drawing a distinction between you and large swaths of the rest of the electorate, since, if you get elected, you’re supposed to be able represent the whole country. Her failure to grasp this is not due solely to her stupdity and insularity, either: this woman really believes that she knows what a “real” American should look like.And that makes her dangerous. Experienced? Judgment? Ready to lead on Day One? If this is any example of McCain’s abilities in these areas, the country is in real trouble. Jews included.The bottom

  • notbuyinit

    Were I jewish, and I am not, though many of my in-laws are, I would be very skeptical of Palin’s Evangelical roots. I think her only concern about Jews in America is the militaristic aspects of our alliance with Israel. Hailing from Alaska, I doubt that she has had much exposure to Jews at all, and probably sees them as “others” like she sees only “real Americans” as being legitimate.

  • ChuckB

    Jacques, it wouldn’t take much research for you to find that Palin does have connections with those that are allied with anti-Semites; it is out there on teh web for all to see. Her connections to treasonous groups and individuals are more solid than Obama’s are to Ayers. However, she is very cagy at avoiding direct association; Todd was an Alaskan Independence Party member (this group unabashedly promotes Alaska’s secession from the Union and maintains strong ties to secessionist groups, Neo-Confederates, in the South–what are the chances they consort with anti-Semites?), but Sarah only attended their meetings and socialized with its members–oh, and she gave a welcoming address to their last convention. Also it can’t be coincidental that Todd changed his party affiliation to no-aligned as Sarah was grooming herself for statewide office. Evil inside isn’t always apparent from the outside.

  • sparrow4

    sami and yuri- well, first let me address your blatant antisemitism. It sucks. worse, it comes from a deep wellspring of ignorance that you both seem rather proud to display.The US has ALWAYS been involved in the Middle East and involved in the creation of the state of Israel. as was Great Britain and the League of nations and the UN. read a little history, it makes you sound so much more intelligent that you two actually seem to be. Yuri- want to know why you hear about Jews and the Holocaust? Because of how they were killed- innocent men, women and children, not soldiers. Try reading (if you actually know how to read) about the camps, and the kiss assing of so many countries who threw their Jewish citizens under the bus to accommodate the nazis. And the Russians? You mean the same russians who began the fight with Hitler and then had to come whining to the west for help when he turned on them? THOSE poor, decimated Russians (who by the way had so much fun with their Jews- as my family can attest).Sami- like Yuri you have very little idea how this country runs. Israel is used by the US, not the other way around, but believe what you want. No amount of factual data will change the mind of a bigot. And for those of you worried about Jews voting for McCain- well first of all Jews are not a monolithic voting block. Those with dual citizenship may be voting 3 to 1 for McCain, but overall 75-80% are voting for Obama. Obviously we Jews are not as racist as you two are.

  • Ross

    The “babushka’s rocking the vote” paragraph and the paragraph immediately following it are both right on point. I think it’s important to remember that Jewish Republicans are tending to be socially liberal, so they’re basically libertarians stuck with a party they don’t agree with on half the issues.

  • Jay

    Archie Bunker for McCainEdith, Gloria, and Meat Head for Obama.Pick your choice.

  • chopin224

    A lot, not all, of WASP Republicans have 2 ways of speaking. One is when they are around blacks and Jews, the other is when they are not. I was appalled that one of my best friends from high school behaved in this manner. I never knew how he felt about black folks until many years later when he referred to blacks as porch monkeys. This EX-friend is a far right Republican, and extremely elitist. Add to this the Anti-Semitism I have also witnessed and I have to wonder how Jews and blacks are not more aware of prejudice that exists within the GOP. Recently, there has been a great deal of Jew baiting at our service academies with Jews being taunted as “Christ Killers”. I suspect most of the folks who are accepted in the academies are Republican.

  • Sami Jamil Jadallah

    The easiest for Zioinist Jew when they find someone who does not toe their lines is to accuse them of pigotry and anti-semitism I invite those who accuse me of anti-semitism to file a federal law suite against me in any US District Court. I am one of those people who are simply sick and tired of this accusation. Let us see each other in court and let the US law determine if I am an anti-semite. I am anti-Israel as it stand, anti-Zionist and all that it represent, and as far as I know and I did study constitutional law, it is not a crime in the US to be anti-Israel and anti-Zionist.

  • Bart Brown

    Gee, do you think it might be because Palin is one of those “End of Days” Evangelicals who are so solicitous of the Jews because they’re an absolutely necessary part of the Evangelicals’ Armageddon scenario? Of course, in THAT screenplay, the Jews all either convert to Christianity or go straight to Hell without passing “Go” and collecting $200. Apparently, there are some Jewish organizations out there who accept support and donations from these Armageddonites, and both sides seem to think they have the other side hoodwinked in this deal with the devil. It’s disgusting.

  • Ruth Zurad

    “Palin herself has no association with the type of anti-Semitism that once characterized professors of that rhetoric.”Her church teaches: ” Arabs are justified in killing jews because jews are not saved”.Repeat:Her church teaches: ” Arabs are justified in killing jews because jews are not saved”.What planet are you from?????

  • Sami Jamil Jadallah

    I would like to know what was the motivation behind the recent mailing of 28 MILLIONS DVDs sponsored by American and Israeli Jewish groups a clear message to voters in swing state warning them of radical Islam and of course encouraging them to vote for McCain. $50 Million dollars of hate distributed to US voters inciting hate toward Arabs and Muslims. What if a “Muslim” or an “Arab” tax exempt organization sponsored a similar mailing except this time subsituting “Muslims” for “Jews” what would the American Jewish community do? what will the media do? what would would the Justice Department and Home Land Security and the IRS will do. It seems it is an open season on Arabs and Muslims in election times in the US. Does not speak well for us as a country?

  • Jay

    What people are posting here is simply a fight for IDENTITY.We are Jewish, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists.Why is it that no one mentions that we are HUMANS first? That is our common bond.Why is it that we emphasize and focus on our differences and not what we have in common?

  • Steve Jacobson

    The only thing that Jews might admire in Palin is her HUDSPAH. She supports almost every issue that Jews are against. Her only positive is that she supports Isreal but who doesn’t except the white sheeters and skinheads.

  • Bob

    Jews are tending more Republican because that party is MUCH more aggressive towards Islamo-Fascism than the Dems and much more supportive of Israel. Dems tend to not recognize evil when confronted with it and rely more on the “can’t we just all get along” approach, which will get you nowhere with Muslim terrorists. Conservative folks on 9/11 tended to have a “how can we kill the SOBs who did this and how fast” whereas liberals tended to ask “what did we do to deserve this and how can we address the grievances of the terrorists”. Many liberals even refused to use the term terrorist, insisting that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Or, like decidedly clueless people such as Rosie O’Donnell, stated that terrorists shouldn’t be feared because they’re Moms and Dads. As for Palin, she has an Israeli flag in her office (BEFORE being picked by McCain). A Jew would have to be somewhat uninformed to fear her views on Israel.

  • sparrow4

    sami- you must be posting to some imaginary friend as I never said you had no right to post your opinion. You do- just as is my right to call you on it. Big whup- you studied constitutional law. Re the DVD: the clarion fund is a right wing whacko group that many Jews and christians have decried. Among the many who found the dvd disturbing and even revolting was the the Endowment for Middle East Truth, which pulled out of the project when they saw it was not a documentary on Islamic terrorism but a fear mongering indictment of Muslims, and the ” Interfaith Alliance in Washington, DC, prominent religious Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders condemned the recent distribution of an anti-Muslim DVD to more than 28 million households in key election swing states. Rabbi Jack Moline, Chair of the Interfaith Alliance also called on both presidential campaigns to “promote a pluralistic view of religion and faith as a source of unity and healing in our country” and “reject the use of religion as a political weapon.” (CNN)75% of American Jews are voting for Obama. That should tell you something unless you are more like the bigots in this country than you think, who condemn every Muslim for 9-11 .

  • walterrock

    Voting, Race, and Religion: I Love America!!!America is neither Christian or monolithic: it is beyond one discription or cliche. If America was a Christian nation then it would almost have to be a theocracy, with Jesus as the head, but really? Our values may be Judeo-Christian, but thats it. DEMOCRACY is about the rule of the people, that all have an equal say in governing, or at least their voice can be somewhat heard. The fallicy that God is somehow enamured by and with us (Americans) amazes me. We have done our fair share of dirt, personally, nationally (ps. I’m a retired vet, you know, a real American..), domestically, etc., to fill the Great Lakes of misdeeds. So here were are again, playing the same old game of pitting one group against another. I know the code words: Redistribution of Wealth” means giving money to people on welfare to buy more bling and have more babies, or as Regan would describe, “Welfare Moms”. The funny thing is more white people recieve welfare and aide than minorities! Joe the Plummer? I lived in Toldeo Ohio, my brother lives around the corner from Joe. He actually thinks that politicians in general actually care about him. He is being pimped by Mccain. He has no more wealth to be redistributed than me! He, like others who have been duped by the use us race, politics, and religion, actually believes that he would continue to benefit under the current political regime. I have MORE respect for people who vote out of real common values or loyalty to their party. Gimme a break! I actually heard an elderly white woman (Ohio)say she is scared that Obama would put the blacks in charge and they would punish white people for slavery and such. Whooda thunk it! But to say that SARAH PALIN inspires you, speaks of the same values as you (REAL AMERICANS), yet is clearly out of her league at this present time (later, possibly)is just plain ignorant:I have a soft spot for the ignorant. Shut up and vote your party, and stop trying to put more coke into Sarah’s half full-not-ready for-the-big-time-bottle. If you really want to know what has, and is happening, read the POST conservative colums, they will tell you WHY Republicans, the brand, is in shambles, and how the religious white right has been duped and pimped in the last 8 years by the Republican Right, using the same old tired divide and conquer, us vs them, politics. What a way to kill, bury, destroy, nuke, anniliate, crush, mash, put lye on, the politics of race and division than to have the REAL AMERICANS look at a MINORITY (not like us?), who is both white and black, as their leader–every day– on television!!. I tell you I am laughing, smiling, shuckin and jivin at the irony…only in America, only in AMERICA!!!

  • Under40

    Those of us who are under 40 are more open to voting Republican because we’re not holdovers from FDR’s New Deal Coalition, and we recognize the Dems have taken us for granted for a long time and given us nothing for it. If both sides play for our vote, the whole community wins.

  • gratianus

    As with almost everything else in the McCain-Palin playbook, the underlying message in comments about Israel conspire to show Obama as weak, maybe even antithetic toward Israel. And, as in most of these messages, there is embedded a much darker theme: as a cryto-Moslem Obama would actively undermine US support for Tel Aviv. For some Jews, this was enough to make McCain palatable. However, as you note, the choice of Palin, regardless of her repeated love of Israel comments and even her meeting with the Israeli ambassador, reminded all Americans, that there is something whacky about McCain and his political decisions. Also, American Jews might wonder if Palin’s passion for Israel has less to do with strategic support for a democracy in the Mideast or a moreal committment to the survival of that nation than it has to do with the murky apocalyptic expectations evangelical Christians such as Palin project unto Israel. Of course, no one is going to raise that question, but we Jews should appreciate that in the Grand Scheme of Things Israel and we, our stiff-necked selves, are just props in that drama.

  • sparrow4

    Implying what, under40? that Jewish women get more abortions?…..mwah ha ha ha ha ha ha. Dems get more Jewish votes because they are more aligned with our values- which you completely, totally know nothing about.Hey, though- thanks for the laugh. Bigots like you can be fun.

  • Jacob

    Any Jewish person that votes for McCain must be looking forward to wars that he plans to start so Sarah can release the nuclear weapons and bring on the “end of days”.

  • Jack

    I suspect most catholic and non-catholic christians are voting for the christian guy.Which one is that? Well both of them! I suspect that the smart middle class christians will vote for Obama and the rich, less smart or more idelogical christians will vote for McCain.If you agree with Aristotle that mathematics is the most truly scientific of all the sciences and that the middle class is the most important class in a society then vote for Obama.If you believe mathematics is irrelevant and that the trickle down theory will save the day vote for McCain.

  • Jack

    The notion of the rapture was made up in the 19th century by a Protestant writer. The majority of christians don’t believe in it.

  • diane katofsky

    Please take a look at Palin’s Alaska church tapes and the “Jews for Jesus” rhetoric at a visit to her church. Also take a look at the Indept. Alaska party that husband, Todd, is affiliated with and whose representative an avowed anti-semite.Palin belongs to a religious group of right-wing evangelicals who love Israel for the biblical belief that they espouse when talking about the, “rapture”. Unless we Jews commit to Jesus Christ our lot is to be left on earth in hell.All that I can say to a Jew who would vote McCain/Palin is that if your grandparents aren’t in Florida they are probably “turning over” in their graves!

  • Jihadist

    As for the Obama detrators and opponents,How is it possible to accuse Obama in the same breatdh: – of being a crypto-Muslim – to be liberal- to be socialist/leading America towards socialism – to be soft with non-Americans and non-US statesA liberal-socialistic cryto-Muslim. Imagine all the contradictions of the perception that Muslims are not liberal and hates the godless socialist/communist. Cheers

  • Jihadist

    Jacob:Any Jewish person that votes for McCain must be looking forward to wars that he plans to start so Sarah can release the nuclear weapons and bring on the “end of days”.Nah…Palin would be busy looking up and learning on the capital cities of China and Russia, and would be so busy cajoling, persuading, negotiating, sparring, tough talking etc with China and Russia on issues ranging from trade to the environment that she would not have time to implement, as God’s Plan, the Rapture and bring about the End of Days. Four or eight years is too short a time to realised all of God’s Plan to fruition. It would most possibly be the End of Days politically for McCain and Palin. God wills it. It is God’s will. It is God’s Plan. Cheers and out of here.

  • geronimo

    For you jews that say 5000 years ago is not relevant(and say look at the jewish people of today)i say none of the torah is.Thats my point,as much as i do not believe people liveing in fish and donkeys talking,or every first born egytion being killed and hagar being sent to the wilderness,then what is jewishness with out it.What gives you the right then to dictate the terms to palistinians.People who have lived on the land far longer and with out gaps.What is a jew,one who keeps the 400+ laws of moses,or is he of conversion,or is it genetic,that has never been answerd.

  • Jihadist

    Oh, by the way,Jack: “The notion of the rapture was made up in the 19th century by a Protestant writer. The majority of christians don’t believe in it.”Thanks for the clarification, but which Protestant writer. Interesting to see some Christians believe in the Rapture to hasten the End of Days. A Turkish Ottoman Sultan is said to have shut/blocked/locked one of the Gates in the walled city of Jesusalem to prevent Dajjal from entering to bring the End of Days as some Muslims believe the Dajjal entering would. So, on one level, it is a fight between some Christians to bring the End of Days, and some Muslims determined not to. As for Jewish or Muslim or Hindu or Wiccan or Buddhist votes in the US, it does not really matter as minorities. After all, the Evangelicals are 80 million strong and growing in the US. Are there such categorie as moderate evangelicals, conservative evangelicals, right wing evangelicals, progressive evangelicals, reformist evangelicals, left wing evangelicals, liberal evangelicals etc, or an evangelical is an evangelical? Regards

  • sparrow4

    jihadist- Considering how little interest Palin ahs shown in foreign and national affairs, I’m skeptical she would be much interested now. No- I think Palin is about power and ego-stroking, not statesmanship. which makes her even more frightening.geronimo- well, what can we judeo-christians say? Your people have their tales, we have ours. However it is the rabid fundmentalists who take it so literally. Beyond that, if you want to know who Jews are, do the research. Don’t speak out of ignorance.Same goes for hte Palestinian situation. First of there were always Jews in the region and many many of them were landholders. But if you want to find out more, again, do the research instead of depending on pundits and headlines. The creation of the state of Israel goes much further back than 1948. And I am the last person to say Israelis are perfect and in the right, I happen to disagree with a lot of things. But let’s not sanctify the Palestinians who have been given milions and millions of dollars over the years and have not invested that money in guns and bombs instead of their own children (Unless you consider telling your child to blow himself up in the name of Hamas and investment). Schools, hospitals, roads, jobs- all the money, most of it winding up in Arafat’s coffers. Where is the Palestiian outrage? Oh yes- focused on Israel and never taking responsibility for their part in their own misery.

  • Jihadist

    Disgusted: “And if they needed a place, isn’t israel wanting more Jews?”Uh. Israel do want Jews to go to Israel under the Law of Return. But, with the situation there, quite a number do chose to go to the west, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the US instead from Russia and other countries. I met a Jewish American in an airline lounge once and we chatted a bit about the Isreali-Palestinian conflict. He told me he is never migrating to Israel as the US, for him, is the Promised Land. What can I, or anyone, say to that? J

  • Jihadist

    Hello Sparrow4,Thanks for your post. I really think Palin is about pandering to certain groups, a very significant group and large group of voters. So, perhaps it is about getting power by any means, including ego-stroking and rabble rousing. It is working, you have to give her that. Palin is also about a good looking hockey mum who can shot and fish with lipstick on too, no? I got to get off here. Regards

  • Madeleine

    Why is this commentary buttoned to the WP link “Palin’s Appeal to the Jews”?

  • sparrow4

    Jihadist, hope you’re back later.I do think that- Palin is all style without substance. My brother was a Mayor of a city in Florida for many years- he made sure to understand national and international issues, not just local ones because he believes that everything is tied together.Palin energizes the rightwing core. this is what the numbers are showing. But as for attracting huge numbers of moderates or centrists or women- nope. If McCain loses, it is in no small part due to her. Which only bolsters my hope that this country will actually go with common sense, and unity with Obama as President.After 9-11 I took a cab home from my shift at Ground Zero one night. About 4 in the morning and the driver was Egyptian. He wanted to know why I was out so late downtown and I told him I was a volunteer there. we sat outside my house talking for some time about the Middle east and he took my hand and said- I only want peace between all of us, with Israel too. And I could only say the same thing. I went home that night with a little more hope and faith in people than I had before.

  • geronimo

    sparrow if you do not want me to be ignorrant,since your a vistor here you tell me what a jew is.As far as tales go we do not use tales to promote our cause,or tell people they are goyim or unclean.So tell me what is your definition of a jew.And is the torah a bunch of tales or the written word of god.Tell me that,or is it a puzzle that needs decodeing.Do we pick and choose stories,im confused,because the missionaries were explicit when they said every word of the bible is the word of god.I might add you might want to look at your history with the native people here before you climb on your big white horse and call america your play ground,i would suggest you learn the history of the peoples whos land your on my friend,so as not to hide your racism behind religion,saw to much of that,saw it destroy entire families and tribes,so dont tell me to learn while you remain ignorrant,we learn more in school about jews then the killing of 12 million native people,thats fact,we even have seperate titles for racism against jews something native people do not have on their own land.I dont see any aboriginals swaying the goverment in the so called promised land of palastine/israel.

  • GHC

    I think that many liberal/centrist republicans and independents (Jews or otherwise) would have voted for McCain until he picked his running mate. The flagrant anti-intellectualism of the Palin/McCain (order intentional) has turned a lot of people off.GHC

  • girl

    Jihadist:I was raised Methodist, but stopped going to church in high school, because I got tired of being hit on by Good-Christian married men at church and I was saddened by the racism shown our black minister by some of the members of our mostly white congregation. I decided that I liked the lessons that Jesus taught, but wasn’t so keen on how the congregation acted. Unfortunately, many of the more vocal members of the Christian community have hijacked the faith and have presented a harsh, unforgiving, judgmental image to the world…..I’ve been waiting for the silent majority to step up and reclaim Christianity as Jesus taught….it’s a much more loving, kind belief system than it has seemed to be recently. Matthew 25 is a sign of that. And there are other organizations too.

  • Anonymous

    The Zionist Jews have no religion but capitalism, materialism and secularism. They are racists white Zionist Jews who immigrated from Eastern Europe and Soviet Union and settled in the USA and occupied Palestine expelling over 1.5 million Palestinians from their homeland and have so far killed nearly one million Palestinians and Muslims in the occupied Arabs lands. These Zionist Jews who rule Israel practice apartheid against the non-white Jews and treat them as second class citizens. These American white Zionist racist Jews will always vote for a white candidate for the presidency as they consider themselves white skin Jews.

  • sparrow4

    geronimo- don’t blame Jews for the fact the mission schools don’t teach Native Americans about their own culture. And you should google Jews and Native Americans before you open your mouth. a few facts would make you sound far more intelligent about the subject than you do now.

  • geronimo

    sparrow 4 You make palastinians out to be savages,were did i hear that before.OH YA IN AMERICA WE WERE SAVAGES YOU WhERE THE PEACE LOVEING GOD FEARING LAND GRABBING IN THE NAME OF GOD PEOPLE.like palastinians are forced into refugee camps with out any right to fight back that was here my friend.You may not want to see,you may not care,but the truth is their.But you have not defined what makes you a jew and what part of the torah is true and what is tales.That is my question.As for you not knowing anything of our history except what hollywwood has taught you is a sham.We learn a hell of alot more about jews in school then we do about our own.We have holocaust museums through out the land,you show me the museums of our slaughter,you show me were the truth is told not some hollywood trash.You show me history books that dont talk of savages and scalping,you show me one treaty not signed with an x.We didnt give you a paper in cree and say sign it,trust it to be the truth.We didnt lock you in schools with demented perverted priests who prayed on boys,we didnt tell you you were pagan worshipping godless creatures who god would burn in a pit.we didnt tell you bless israel or you will be cursed,this all in the last 4o years.Your religios books have brought alot of death and destruction,so dont ever for get that,ok my friend.Because the truth is their if you look past hollywood and your token press.Why do you feel america is for every one and israel is for jews,if the torah is a bunch of tales,to me that is aparthied and bigotry hideing behind religion.

  • geronimo

    sparrow why are you more then pleased to take money from christian organizations,with out the christians israel would not be funded and armed to the teeth,your more then happy to be part of that,just not the baggage is that it.maybe you should read the short story moose and the sparrow.Remember every candidate visits israel first,i bet 99% of them never set foot on a reserve,and if they did im sure borrowing a quote from the torah they would wipe their feet of the dirt once they left.Heck obama has to speak about israels defence more so then the wars and poverty and aids in his ancestors land(africa).America is described as a judaio/christian nation,so you are those same people are you not.It seems you pick and choose what part of the bible you find to be the the truth,just like you pick and choose what part of christianty is your friend.It reminds me of the story were jewish organisations in palastine/israel gave back coats because they came from a christian group,but i ask would they do the same with money.Lets get honest here, with out what happened to us their would be no wealth to support a jewish state,and that is the brass tacks.But im sure your faith has taught you the end justifies the means.

  • sparrow4

    geronimo- first of all Jews don’t make out Palestinians to be savages. I never used the word, I don’t believe it. You need to stop blathering. Your anger is misplaced- I’ll put it down to ignorance but I don’t have to defend my religion to you. If you’re so worried about the fate of Native Americans (and you have still to state whether you are or not) you should be battling the mission schools and the politicians who decided the reservations aren’t important. That didn’t come from us Jews.So what have you done to help your people? I happen to know several Native Americans who have worked long and hard to improve conditions- I admire them no end.you seem to be a mindless ranter. I even question if you are really Native American (My ex was part native American, as were several other close friends).I tried to have a conversation with you- you would rather attack. It would be a more intelligent attack if you stuck to what I said, or historical facts instead of raving whatever fevered paranoia you have in your mind (and I use the word mind loosely, in your case.)

  • sparrow4

    “.America is described as a judaio/christian nation,so you are those same people are you not.It seems you pick and choose what part of the bible you find to be the the truth,just like you pick and choose what part of christianty is your friend.”Well if the people who use the term Judeo-Christian (and Jews do not other than in a general reference to religious history) truly considered Jews a part of it, there wouldn’t be any antisemitism would there/ Honestly, where you get this crap from? Protocols of the elders of Zion? Mein Kampf? Osama bin Laden’s How to Do Demolition? The Handbook of the KKK or American Nazi Party? Do me a favor- do something useful with yourself. get an education, volunteer, help people, learn to pick your battles – be part of hte solution, not part of the problem. think you can handle something that grown up?

  • geronimo

    I rue the day when the rain forrest is destroyed,and the native population is caught in the game of catch us if you can.And the elders are left powerless and feeling less then equal because they have no broadway plays on their resume,and as they fight against the corporations “who only want to help”,the people that resist are quickly put down at the end of a gun,while headlines read,savages put down after attacking peace loveing god fearing missionarries,this while big bussiness lurks,and the tribal men become obsolete with out their harvard degrees and pin striped suits,the kind that define a real man and true success.Those people who deal in numbers and play on words and were loopholes are the rage,and an honest day in the forrest becomes a distant memory.The women who bare children to the out of country workers,wake up to find words and promices are not going to give the child the father they so much deserve,but if they are white enough,just maybe work awaits,but hey alcohol is on the way,it will take you were you need to be,and with the missionaries and big bussiness building you clap board shacks as long as you play nice,and if and only if you believe in christ,then when all is said and done heaven awaits.Hey it does have a happy ending.Disney land goes to the rain forrest,how prestine.And some day the native people will read front page about whether or not the new leader is a friend of israel,but what he will not see is one of his own part of the new goverment,the ones who “discoverd” this pagan land and built it into judaio/christian land,something the locals in the clap board houses could be proud of,knowing it is part of gods work,they know this because the bible tells them so,they will be pleased to be pawns in this game as long as they know heaven awaits,not to be a pawn is instant death,and forever in a burning pit.

  • geronimo

    sparrow your conversation you speak of,in your mind and i use the term loosely begins and ends with palastinians being second class people,you have not once mentioned the refugee camps,or land theft or balfour,and your upset when i compare reserves to there refugee camps.maybe i have a grade 6 but the places ive been the places ive seen have given me a voice inside that is my own,not one you want me to have and that upsets you,it upsetts most zionists that are confronted on the racism of the torah.But to think i stand in awe of your knowledge or your faith,because you seem im a lesser man then you by stateing i have no mind,well this is not your land,so your jewishness has no bearing on me,i do not beleave the creater wrote the torah,i do not believe i am an unclean pagan or goyim all terms you try to dispose of as tales of sorts,in fact you have not given me any sound evidence that we should kill the brown man in the middle east so jews can live in israel to fulfill your gods promice or the jewish prophesy,how much money is spent on createing facts on the ground a kazillion,or is it my god too because in the torah it begins as being the god of the jew against some other god then their is only one god a thousand years later.So tell me sparrow what are tales and what are the words of god,just a simple question,no.

  • sparrow4

    You know, geronimo- you sound an awful lot like a christian fundamentalist nutball with a big dose of antisemitism (which considering the long and very good relations betweens Jews and Native Americans) immediately makes me suspect you are not Native American. In fact I have asked you to state that you are and you avoid it. So here’s the deal. I’m done. I’m not wasting any more of my time on you. I generally hold discourse with those who have more than double digit IQs. I did try to give you the benefit of the doubt but understand one thing. Just because you call yourself “geronimo” doesn’t make you Native American. Too bad you decided to dishonor him.

  • geronimo

    Sparrow If my mindless mind serves me correctly,was jesus not a jew,was he not the beginning of christianity.Was it not him who talked of non believers going to shoal,why do jews say his words are words of a human teacher,and the old testement is the word of god,which christ said was still the law,and not one word be changed.So tell me sparrow is the torah the word of god the creater of all,and the new testement words of a wise man but not the holy spirit in the flesh.And do you believe in the law about when a woman is unclean,and what must be done,and if not why,when did a new law come to do away with the old law,valid questions,no?Do you believe in the law that demands a womans head coverd in a place of worshipp,and that she not be allowed to speak,and if not why,when did a new law come and do away with the old law.I guess i should just stick to on faith alone we are saved,or something like that.One last thing should gay people be put to death,as the law demands.

  • sparrow4

    geronimo NOT- see many Jews killing gays? No thanks- that a religious Christian right thing. Most Jews are far more progressive. And if you knew anything about Jews you would also know what the talmud is and what it means. (Look it up- don’t be so mentally lazy). The majority of Jews do not follow the bible literally – no, that’s for the rabid religious right of all faiths, including that of the Palestinians. and the Torah is not the word of G-d, but a Holy book telling our story, defining our laws and our relationship with G-d. we don’t poke out eyes or cut off hands either. we don’t think infidels should be killed (unlike your Palestinian terrorists, which are by no means every Palestinian).Still have no idea where you get your information but as I said in my last post, no sense wasting knowledge and facts on the likes of you. (still want to affirm if you are really a Native American or not, yet? I’m definitely and proudly a Jew.)

  • spiderman2

    sparrow wrote “see many Jews killing gays? No thanks- that a religious Christian right thing”Christians only preach. They don’t kill. God do the killing himself. Wait for it coz it’s coming.”Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, SEVERITY; but toward thee, GOODNESS, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be CUT OFF. (Romans 11:22)

  • Farnaz

    Hello, Spiderman, My Friend,Did you get a chance to read the Whitman poem I posted for you the other day? If not, I’ll post it again. Farnaz

  • sparrow4

    Oh yeah- I really see the GOODNESS in that, spidey. You just proved my point to geronimo NOT. Only people like you think gays will be killed by G-d (with a little help from your friends).

  • spiderman2

    Hello Farnaz, Yes, I’ve read the poem. That was pretty. Thanks.***sparrow wrote “Only people like you think gays will be killed by G-d”Nope, if God says gays are OK, I will have no problem with that, but it’s the opposite. God hates it so I have no choice but to warn gays about God’s message and the SEVERITY that’s coming.Only fools will not heed to God’s message. And you sparrow is a fool.

  • sparrow4

    “And you sparrow is a fool.”And you is an unedukated big-got

  • Anonymous

    FARNAZ EXPLAIN YOUR CONNECTION TO PAKISTAN.WE ARE WAITING FOR AN ANSWER!WHAT’S THE MATTER? ARE YOU A COWARD?

  • Farnaz

    Anon, Muffinist Idolater, JAC, H,Did we cross posts? Kindly read my pensive epistle to your demented self, as I have missed you bitterly.

  • Anonymous

    FARNAZ AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO TAKES YOU FOR A PAKISTANI SUNNI MUSLIM IN DISGUISE WHO HAS DONE HOLOCAUST STUDIES IN THE US?

  • Farnaz

    Anon, JAC, H, Whatever,To answer your question, my dear, greatly missed Islamophobic Muffinist Christian Animist Idolater, I would have to answer in the affirmative.However, you, in the past, averred that I was a Jewish Muslim Atheist, and that I thought was rather more interesting, but what can you do. Evidently, you haven’t been keeping up with my posts on Tanakh theology, Maimonides, Judah HaLevi, Heschel, etc.Had I only a name for you, I would have posted, “Still fascinated by me, Anon?”

  • Anonymous

    FARNAZ EXPLAIN YOUR CONNECTION TO PAKISTAN.WE ARE WAITING FOR AN ANSWER!WHY IS THERE ONLY SILENCE?WHAT’S THE MATTER?ARE YOU A COWARD?WHY DO YOU LIVE IN THE US IF YOU HATE THE CHRISTIANS SO MUCH?

  • sparrow4

    “WHY DO YOU LIVE IN THE US IF YOU HATE THE CHRISTIANS SO MUCH?”Farnaz realizes that while you Christians are everywhere, this is still a free country. Do you remember?

  • FARNAZ

    Hello Sparrow,How are you?YOU KNOW HOW AGGRAVATED YOU GET WHEN I USE CAPS, WHICH I SHALL CEASE AND DESIST IF YOU CAN BRING YOUR IDOLATER MUFFINISTIC SELF TO DO THE SAME.Here is the famous Farnazian Theorem No. 1: You cannot fight fire with a cup of water.Scroll down this page and find a sane person to interpret some of the comments here, consider them in light of the above, and you will get the answer to your latest question.Now, I have answered two of yours, so how’s about answering mine:Are you or are you not going to sign in so that you can follow me around all over OnFaith like you used to and give me the attention I have grown accustomed to?Why do you hate Muslims so much?

  • Farnaz

    ANON, MUFFINIST, JAC, H, WHATEVER,I DON’T THINK YOU’LL BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THE ANSWER I GAVE YOU IN MY PREVIOUS POST, AT LEAST, I HOPE NOT, SINCE I FEAR IT MIGHT CAUSE YOU TO SURRENDER MY FASCINATION FOR YOU.But, if you’d be so kind as to answer a third question. Where will you live since you hate Muslims so much? They are as numerous as Jews in this country, and Islam is the most rapidly growing religion. Where will you live? What will happen to you?Will you try to convert the Muslims to Muffinism?

  • Anonymous

    ANON, MUFFINIST, JAC, H, WHATEVER,LAST POST FOR THE MOMENT: How come it never occurred to you that I might be Thai? OMG, my dear Idolater, you aren’t keeping up!!!

  • chasemonster
  • Farnaz

    chasemonster: But what about the Muffinist Idolaters?

  • Anonymous

    The media says the debates made the difference.Anyone who has been following the media coverage would not doubt for a minute that the media elected Senator Obama four years ago after the DNC.The last four years was merely spent convincing the public.Senator Obama rose to the occasion as a result of his potential and the intense grooming by two geniuses working behind the scenes – David Axelrod and David Pflouffe. There are people with potential but do get to benefit from the same grooming. There are good groomers but the people they work with do not have the same potential.This time round the Obama-Biden team are the better ones to lead the country and the US to a new beginning. By their fruits we shall know them.Senator McCain and Governor Palin should be given their due. They have kept their chin up and kept up the good fight till the end in spite of a media pitted against them. They deserve praise and admiration for their courage and fighting skills.

  • Anonymous

    And it must said with honesty too that Governor Palin wasn’t the best choice for VP, not because her personal family values and her achievements in Alaska are not admirable, it was simply too little for the national stage and the international role. Governor Mitt Romney would have made a better backup for Senator McCain.Let the grooming of the best for the next election begin. May the Obama-Biden team live up to some of the expectations that have been placed on them by the US and the world.

  • Marilyn

    But…she also claims that Jews are damned because they don’t accept Christ as their savior

  • Marilyn

    But her church also believes that Jews are damned because they don’t accept Christ as their SaviorSo as a Jew she would never get my vote

  • SBarland

    “And they are getting nervous in spite of the fact that Palin herself has no association with the type of anti-Semitism that once characterized professors of that rhetoric.”

  • RobRoy1

    Man, everytime I read your “column” it gets even more crappier than the last one.

  • saywhauh?

    This guy is a scholar?

  • Frida

    I would agree that Palin has hurt McCain with Jews. I think that most Jewish Republicans are with the party because they align themselves with the economic and foreign policy aspects. Most Jewish people in the U.S. are well educated, and to bring in a candidate who appeals to Christian conservatives by denying evolution, birth control, etc., is likely to scare away many economic Republicans who otherwise feel comfortable with McCain.

  • Susan E.

    Does a single Jewish Republican voter really care whether Palin is part of the “Jews for Jesus” craziness, or whether she loves Jews or hates them? Of course not. Neo-con Republicans, the ones who gave us the disasterous plan for “Pax Americana” and the invasion of Iraq, are “Israel First” voters. They will get in bed with ANY ONE-even an uninformed race-baiting Endtimer nutcase-that promises to support their foreign policy goals.

  • sparrow4

    susan e.- actually, unlike you and your group of religious right voters who only care about abortion as an issue, Jews, even republican Jews care about many other things. That’s because we tend to be much better educated than those like you. And I’ll also point out that I am a Pro-Israel Jew who is voting Democrat, as are thousands of others like me. You, I am sure will be voting for Palin- one issue, one thought, one brain cell.

  • Todd

    Palin belongs to a church that believes in witch craft and exorcisms. Her church contends that Jews need to be converted.McCain is 72 and has a history of cancer.Do the math.

  • SouthStar

    She can light their oven on Saturdays!No, seriously, AIPAC has invested a big deal of education on her already.

  • sparrow4

    southstar- i am of the mind that someone as ego-driven as Palin- and I think her history bears me out- will do nothing that she doesn’t think is in her own personal best interest. Prepare to see anyone and anything thrown under a bus if Ms. Palin feels the need. She cares nothing for Jews or Israel other than as perceived players in her end times scenario.In fact, I venture to say she cares nothing for anyone and if she ever- G-d Forbid!!!!!!!!_ became president, every decision would be “How will I look? What Impression will I make? Where’s trig- I need a photo op to show what a good mother I am? She’s not about issues, other than very limited local or religious conservative issues so our best bet is to hope the GOP forces more intelligent “advisors” on her. Pray that won’t be Karl Rove and Dick Cheney.

  • geronimo

    sparrow i have far more knowledge then you will ever have,i have been probably more sides of the tracks then you will ever walk between,but to say you will give me the benefit of the dout and understand our plight,at what cost that i recognise the torah,and agree with zionists on their needing to push palastinians from their homes,aint happening. and your blessing or understanding of what was done here is not needed,not at your price,this is not a barter or whatever fancy name you have for it.People like you never understand but then again with god in your corner you never have to.Zionists like you care nothing about me,you will bring the world to war and wait for your god to save you while we parrish,is that what the torah teaches you,that your special were not.and as for palastinians fighting back,why wouldnt they,are you so arrogant to think they have no rights,your as phony as a two dollar bill.

  • Victoria

    CCNL- you asked- Because there is a disproportianate (to the poluation)) over-representation of Jewish politicans in Congress, for one- 43 out of 435- a full 10%- So it is not a matter of demographics- but the power held, that makes the Jewish (Israel) position so improtant.

  • judge not

    FOR THOSE WHO STILL THINK PALIN IS NOT A DISGRACE TO HER COUNTRY, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE PRANK SHE WAS JUST INVOLVED IN.NO ONE IN HIS OR HER RIGHT MIND WHO LOVE THIS COUNTRY-CAN VOTE FOR HER NOW. THIS IS NOT A GAME.I AM ANGRY WITH MCCAIN, AND ASHAMED FOR MY COUNTRY AND MYSELF.I USED TO LOVE TO MEET AND ENGAGE STRANGERS IN CONVERSATIONS WHILE TRAVELING TO OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT I WILL GO INTO HIDING FOR A WHILE, UNTIL THIS CHOICE OF JOHN MCCAIN BECOMES A FAINT MEMORY.

  • Farnaz

    IN REPLY TO VICTORIA (BIGOTORIA)Your post is so racist, I hardly know where to begin. I could begin with how stupid it is, but I’ll forgo that for a moment.The majority of the Senate is Catholic, overwhelmingly. So that means that no POTUS can be elected without Catholic support. The majority of the House is Protestant, the rest except for one or two are Catholic, and of course there are the forty-three Jews you mention.So no one can get elected to POTUS except with by grace of the Protestants/Catholics.The Protestants own the media. The Times, WaPo are owned by Protestants, the major networks by Protestants, Murdoch owns the New York Post, the Wall Street Journal, and a slew of networks.The Christians control not only the Congress, Supreme Court, and Senate, but also the media. The major oil companies Exxon Mobile and BP and its various alternate names are owned by the Christians in league with the Muslim oil exporting companies.All the companies we’re bailing out are owned by Christians. NOW DOES THIS MEAN WE HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH THE CHRISTIAN AGENDA OF INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES, IMPOSING TARRIFS ON THEM WHILE W PREVENT THEM FROM IMPOSING TARRIFS ON US? You bet. Otherwise Jews like me are accused of beign disloyal!!! Or “anti-Christian.”The largest lobbying groups in the US are the Pro-Life, the NRA, and the Oil Lobby. Nobody can get elected to anything without these Christians/Catholics supporting them.NOW IF WHAT I WRITE STRIKES YOU AS STUPID, ATTRIBUTED A WEIRD CHRISTIAN/CATHOLIC CONSPRIACY, SIMILARITY OF INTERESTS, THAT THE CHRISTIANS/CATHOLICS ALL NO EACH OTHER, WELL, THINK ABOUT IT.BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT RACIST CATHOLIC CUM MUSLIM MORONS LIKE VICTORIA AKA ASTORIA, AKA BIGOTORIA ACTUALLY BELIEVE, AND THEY BENEFIT FROM IT.

  • Mccaigue

    I’m a Catholic voting for Obama/Biden.

  • John Jay

    Israel’s government policy of “talking to people it doesn’t necessarily like” is wise and consistent with the Obama position. McCain’s position contradicts Israel’s successful implementation of its policies of political realism.

  • Victoria

    Wrong Farnaz, The second largest group is AIPAC Political over-representation by Jewish Politicans is simple math. “As you can see, one can be accused of being Anti-American, and that is okay- but one cannot be Anti-Israel. Period. You have proven my point exactly. I didn’t criticize Israel, or Jews. Look at you screaming in capital letters that I am a racist because I suggest that one cannot even suggest a critique! And then you go on to spew ugly anti-christian bigotry!

  • Victoria

    YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!! EVEN FARNAZ SOUR RACISM AND BITTERNESS CANNOT BRING ME DOWN!!! YOU ARE THE PAST- LEAVE THAT NONSENSE BEHIND YOU- OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!

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