Hagee, AIPAC and the GOP

When John McCain hastily rejected the endorsement of televangelist John Hagee last week, he wanted America to believe that he … Continued

When John McCain hastily rejected the endorsement of televangelist John Hagee last week, he wanted America to believe that he didn’t really know Hagee very well. But the truth is that despite McCain’s profession of ignorance (hard enough to fathom given that Hagee is on television every day of the week and has written a couple of dozen books), the Republican Party has long made its bed with Hagee. Even as he has longed for the Rapture and Armageddon, the televangelist has long been close with many members of Congress and even penned a book in 2000, God’s Candidate for America. (I’ll give you a hint: that candidate was Hagee’s fellow Texan, who unlike McCain, was politically savvy enough not to shout it from the rooftop of the Governor’s mansion.)

Although McCain cleared himself, Hagee’s alliance with politicians and leaders of major Jewish organizations appears, for the moment at least, to have emerged with only minor bruising. For the uninitiated, it seems impossible to reconcile how a man who called the Holocaust part of God’s plan could continue to be taken seriously as a great ally of Israel. Or how his Christians United for Israel’s (CUFI) executive director, David Brog, who is Jewish and defends Hagee, spoke at this week’s American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) conference (Hagee spoke to the 2007 conference). Or how Joe Lieberman, who found the Holocaust statement “unacceptable” and “hurtful,” will still go a speak at the CUFI Summit in July, rejecting calls by J Street, the new political organization advocating for negotiated peace between the Israelis and Palestinians, not to attend.

Hagee’s bizarre marriage of convenience with American and Israeli Jews would be impossible without his formidable evangelical following, which provides the shock troops his Jewish allies believe they lack. In terms of his political reach, Hagee is no James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robertson (although his friend, Rod Parsley, also a spurned McCain endorser, fancies his Center for Moral Clarity a successor to Falwell’s Moral Majority). But Hagee’s world, while it surely does not represent all of American evangelicalism, comprises a significant segment of the charismatic movement that outsiders too readily dismiss as too weird to be mainstream. They underestimate it as a cultural and political force at their peril.

At the center of Hagee’s (and Parsley’s) coercive hold on their followers is the Word of Faith, or prosperity gospel doctrine, a theology many of their fellow evangelicals deem heretical. They use it to convince their followers to “sow a seed” (tithe to them) promising them a “supernatural” harvest in return. The power of the Word of Faith movement lies in its authoritarianism: the pastor is God’s anointed, not to be questioned or criticized. The tithe is God’s money; hold it back and you’re stealing from God. Pay the tithe, Hagee tells his congregation, before you pay the rent, lest you live under a financial curse. Three former members of Hagee’s church told me they lived in fear of his commands. One told me that when the local San Antonio paper published an exposé of Hagee’s million-dollar salary, she refused to look at the evidence out of deference to him.

All that money, in addition to funding the televangelists’ salaries and luxuries like private jets, keeps their television programming on the air, further fueling their money-making apparatus. Current tax law relieves churches from the requirement of filing tax returns, thus the amount of tax-exempt money flowing in and out of these televangelism ministries is a well-kept secret. The Senate Finance Committee is investigating six other Word of Faith televangelists over questions about whether they diverted non-profit funds to a for-profit purpose. The mighty resistance of one of them, Hagee’s good friend and CUFI ally Kenneth Copeland, is a testament to his popularity and political clout.

McCain may have taken a campaign trail albatross off his neck, but Hagee’s and Parsley’s popularity and political alliances march on.

Read an excerpt from Sarah Sarah Posner’s new book about the Word of Faith movement, God’s Profits: Faith, Fraud, and the Republican Crusade for Values Voters (PoliPoint Press 2008).

Sarah Posner writes The FundamentaList, a weekly roundup of news about the religious right for The American Prospect Online and has covered religion and politics for the Prospect, The Nation, Salon, The Huffington Post, and other publications.

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  • jenna

    Here is my take on why someone like Lieberman still supports Hagee. Hagee’s entire support for Israel is based on the idea that for Jesus to come again the Jews must return to Israel, and he wants Israel to be strong up to the day that it is destroyed in the Second Coming. So he is only a temporary friend of the Jews and Israel. Lieberman and other Jews, of course, don’t believe that there will be a Second Coming etc. But as long as there is a strong voice for Israel with political clout, why turn that down because the man has crazy ideas about the future that will never be fulfilled anyway.

  • Mr. G

    Another thing worth mentioning about the theology of Hagee, Parsley, and their like is their pre-Millenial Theology. Much of that particular theology is centered around Israel and how the world reacts to it. For example, they believe that the Anti-Christ will try to rebuild the temple in the original spot in Jerusalem. They also believe that the Battle of Armageddon will occur when hostile nations such as a revamped Russia will try to attack Israel with nuclear weapons. These two events are harbingers for the end of the world as we know. By aligning themselves with Israel (and excluding any peace talks with the Palestinians), these televangelists hope that it is they who will help usher in the end times. These far out notions not scare a lot of people and sell a lot of books (look at Hal Lindsey), but also bring in a lot of money for their “ministries”. My feeling about these people is they should listen to the words of the person they call Master: “Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.”

  • George Robertson

    To me, the real question is whether or not groups like CUFI should be considered a terrorist organization, because they contribute money to the settlement movement in Israel. The settlers are basically terrorizing the indigenous Palestinian inhabitants who, ironically enough, are probably Jews who converted to Islam or Christianity over a thousand years and who are actually the original inhabitants of the region. Yet they get their land seized and then are demonized by the Israelis when the Palestinians complain about it. There’s nothing religious about any of these groups. They use the trappings over religion to purvey a cult-like organization which is narrow minded, bigoted and unwilling to even listen to the beliefs of those different from themselves. They should, at the very least, have their tax exempt status revoked, as should all groups which promote forming and maintaining colonies on Arab land beyond Israel’s legally-recognized 1967 borders.

  • Ruth

    There is much worse in Hagee’s sermons, even worse than the recently revealed German, gay, part-Jewish antichrist. Hagee uses an anti-Jewish narrative reminiscent of the Protocols in his apocalyptic prophecy including Illuminati/Rothschild/Federal Reserve conspiracy rants that are broadcast to millions around the world. Hagee claims that Hillel instigated the attacks against Jesus. He features a reversed Kristallnacht in his video, Vanished, where the “left behind” Jews, Catholics, and other unsaved burn churches and New Testaments. These images are presented as futuristic prophecy. Hagee and other apocalyptic dispensationalists in the Christian Zionist movement disdain and attack “liberal Jews” as the source of evil in the universe as well as the obstacles to the Christian Rapture. The definition of liberal Jews in this case would be anyone not cooperating with their apocalyptic agenda. And they get away with this due to their “pro-Israel” support.Not everybody who is willing to raise money to ship us out of our own homes and move us to Israel is our friend. Hagee’s apocalyptic narrative ends in the total destruction of Judaism, which is the entire purpose of the dispensational narrative. Perhaps some Jewish leaders should take a few minutes to actually read Hagee’s books or listen to his sermons before coming to his defense.

  • JBE

    Fear them for they are evil, pandering, lying, and hateful con-men followers of mammon, proclaiming God’s service.They support Israel because they believe God wants THEM to populate it after armegeddon wipes out all of the jews living there now.These people are right up there with scientologists in terms of veracity and sanity.

  • Krista

    Dear Ms. Posner: I must correct you on a few items. When Hagee said the Holocaust was the will of God he’s not trying to come across as insulting to the Jews. If you know anything about Biblical history you know that the Jews have suffered for hundreds of years. They suffer because they are “the chosen”. As a follower of God we know that life is harder for us. The Jewish people are no different. The Holocaust was not something that God inflicted on the Jews, but it was something that happened based on who they are. The Bible says that the World will love its own, but will hate you (believers). Isn’t it interesting how Hagee has such a wide support of Jewish leaders and others in the community? Looks like they know what he means, huh?Also, regarding the Senate investigation of the Copelands and other Word of Faith ministries, the Senate and Senator Grassley have over stepped their authority in this case. They have no right to request any financial information from these ministries. I attend the Copeland’s son-in-law’s church in Fort Worth, TX (EMIC.org) and they have gone thru the proper channels and requested for an audit by the IRS. The IRS is who can request this information – not the Senate Finance Committee! It doesn’t sound like the Copelands have anything to hide if they are ASKING for an audit by the IRS! You forgot to mention this in your article. Regarding the prosperity message. I am an educated professional woman who lived and worked in DC for a time. I’ve lived by the principles of sowing into the kingdom of God and I have seen God meet my needs and provide for me. This is a biblical principle. Do your homework. Pick up a concordance and look up every scripture about tithing, sowing and reaping. You will see that when you bless God, he blesses you. How do you know that Hagee’s money doesn’t simply come from his own investments, book sales, speaking engagements? Just because he has a lot of money doesn’t mean he’s robbing his congregants blind! He’s preaching what the Bible says. So, you found a few people who were afraid of him? What about the thousands who listen to him because he’s Biblical in his teachings? We can see this by simply looking at the Bible ourselves! MILLIONS of people all over the world tithe and give and believe in this principle, however only the few “Christians” who disagree get the attention of the media. I guess that’s good for you that you can vocalize the opinions and view points you want… we Christians are used to seeing it.- Krista

  • JBE

    Fear them for they are evil, pandering, lying, and hateful con-men followers of mammon, proclaiming God’s service.They support Israel because they believe God wants THEM to populate it after armegeddon wipes out all of the jews living there now.These people are right up there with scientologists in terms of veracity and sanity.

  • nallcando

    “Also, regarding the Senate investigation of the Copelands and other Word of Faith ministries, the Senate and Senator Grassley have over stepped their authority in this case. They have no right to request any financial information from these ministries. I attend the Copeland’s son-in-law’s church in Fort Worth, TX (EMIC.org) and they have gone thru the proper channels and requested for an audit by the IRS. The IRS is who can request this information – not the Senate Finance Committee! It doesn’t sound like the Copelands have anything to hide if they are ASKING for an audit by the IRS! You forgot to mention this in your article.”Aha But any government office that feels any church is overstepped it bounds can ask for financial information! I think the government needs to check out, how these mega churches are stepping over the boundaries of Church and State. It is more than time to stop these so called preachers whom are, directing their followers who to vote for in an election! It is time to take away their Tax exemption!

  • Krista

    “Aha But any government office that feels any church is overstepped it bounds can ask for financial information! I think the government needs to check out, how these mega churches are stepping over the boundaries of Church and State. It is more than time to stop these so called preachers whom are, directing their followers who to vote for in an election! It is time to take away their Tax exemption!”Once again, the Copelands have ASKED for the IRS to audit them. If there are any discrepancies the IRS will find them. I doubt they have any if they are asking for an audit. Also, the same can be said for more liberal churches that promote voting for Obama or Clinton. And for the record, the pastors in the Copeland’s church have never told the congregants who to vote for.

  • Rev. Randy Barnett

    I admire any man of God, who boldly ventures outside of his stained glass sanctuary into the public arena, in an effort to introduce truth into it. However, ministers like John Hagee, Rod Parsely, Pat Robertson, and others have found this to be troubled waters at best. The reason these men are misunderstood is that the concepts they put forth are spiritual truths. These truths are like oil in water; the two simply cannot mix because they are spiritual concepts falling on carnal ears. It is a literal impossibility for carnally-minded folks to wrap around spiritual concepts, concepts like the doctrine of the tithe, seedtime and harvest, the new birth, salvation, miracles, the Body of Christ, eschatology, the covenant of Abraham, etc. The Apostle Paul (writing under divine unction) correctly says it this way in I Corinthians 2: 10 But God has revealed them [the wisdom of God in a mystery – verse 7] to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. There is an important distinction made in this passage of Scripture. The “we” that Paul denotes are those people who stand in covenant with God through Christ Jesus. These blessed people are privileged to know things supernaturally, things that others cannot know – spiritual things. That is why when John Hagee gives certain insights into the Holocaust; they cannot be understood by those who hear things only through natural ears. The truth is the Holy Spirit indwells those who have been born again and it is by and through Him these people possess the capacity to grasp spiritual truths. So, this brief rebuttal/ explanation is offered knowing that it too is above the reach of comprehension of natural men and will more than likely be derided as are all other spiritually discerned truths as well as those who espouse them. My encouragement to Christians is to carefully weigh what is written by these secular newspapers; do not be moved away from your faith in Jesus Christ and His Word. And, please do not assume the guilt of any man of God just because he/she is scrutinized or criticized by the world. Persecution comes with the territory of following Jesus, and persecution is what all of this about. Stand strong, walk in love even with accusers, be the light in the darkness. Let’s show the world what the love of Jesus is all about.Rev. Randy Barnett

  • frosty7530

    Dear Ms Posner:I do look forward to reading your book; you are indeed a talented writer, even if I choose to disagree with you. Although I was confirmed as a Reformed Jew and still have many Liberal beliefs, I do tend to empathise with the Christian woman, named, appropriately, Kirsta, who wrote you earlier today.As you will soon discover, Pastor Hagee has many Jewish friends. He does make a good salary, but I also know rabbis that make good salaries, or wish they were making his salary! I feel he works very hard at what he does. I have had opportunity to meet and talk with his congregants, and found them to be bright, hospitable people who also found their Pastor to be a very accessable man who is there for them in good times and in bad. I clearly remember the way I was treated by one Reform rabbi, who did not “know” who I was in terms of my family’s involvement within his synagoge.I had met this YUPPIE rabbie during a chaplancy call many yrs. ago while recovering from Cancer surgery. What an arrogant little weiner he was. Yet so well loved by his community. My parents never attended service, they were not “observant” Jews but they did pay their membership dues and they were certainly networked with other prominent families. I was just 25 and he was a new “Jr.” rabbi. Fast forward 5 years and it’s my Grandmother’s funeral. My word, he treated me as if I were Diana of Wales, a far cry from that shabby little hippy he met on hospital call. The young woman he called a “troubled sinner”.I have never forgotten his nasty arrogance. He has also made poor impressions on other people he deemed of lesser substance; but that is far removed from today and Pastor Hagee. My point is that every critique of Hagee can be applied to over 90% of our clergymen, of every stripe. John Hagee is a very powerful man, a brilliant orator, I sleep lots better at night, being the lover of Israel that I am, knowing that he is a friend of Zion.I pray someday a good objective social history of the Evangelical movement will be written. We have so much to learn from these colorful, and very joyous people. In the meantime, I will read & challenge myself with your take on Evangelist movement.Regards,

  • David S. Robins

    Despite John McCain’s efforts to distance himself from Hagee, the fact remains that Hagee is an unrepentant Christian bigot. His close support and aid to the racist state of Israel is deeply repugnant to Americans of all faiths, including some Jews. Hagee is very cozy with AIPAC, the treasonous lobbying arm of Israel here in the United States. Nevertheless, McCain eagerly courts AIPAC just as other republicans have done for years in utter disregard of where America’s real interests in the Middle East lie. The influence of bigots like Hagee and evil lobbying groups like AIPAC will again play a very divisive role in this year’s presidential campaign.

  • Joe Tomlinson

    Way to say it, Ms Posner. Best analysis I’ve heard in a long time.

  • jfk

    Ms. Posner is dead right.

  • Todd Skiles

    Hagee isn’t nearly as famous or respected as he or Ms. Posner believe. I consider myself quite well educated on both the secular level and the theological level. I am well versed in Physics and quite well prepared to discuss the calculations and formulas whereby we determine the mass of the universe based on theories of gravitational singularities. I’m also well prepared to discuss the finer points of a system theological approach to certain controversial passages in Ephesians. I don’t know much about Hagee. I know enough that I know I wouldn’t agree with his viewpoints, but I have seen no point to reading his books, nor do I seek spiritual guidance from the one-eyed-LCD monster over my mantle. One trip to a Family Christian Bookstore will overwhelm the average reader with how many hundreds of major Christian writers are pumping out the books. I rather suspect, given McCain’s Episcopal upbringing and his choice to NOT seek adult baptism in the Baptist Church, that McCain couldn’t care less about Hagee and sees the man as another loud distraction, rather than a serious spiritual mentor. Hagee’s self-proclaimed fame is no more proof of anyone’s following, that if we claimed someone MUST know Falwell, Robertson, Fulton or the many other more prominent television preachers or this day or earlier.

  • Cordelia Reagan

    Hagee is the same as any cult leader.

  • Julie

    All these snail oil salesmen are nothing but frauds. Those that follow and believe are fools.

  • KAckermann

    It’s not that we underestimate the fundamentalist community at our own peril, it’s just that it is so very difficult to change.They are conditioned to reject contrary opinions. The very act of allowing for alternatives casts them out. They are either faithful to a sharply delineated region of beliefs, or they have no faith. It’s beuatiful, really – in a Godellian sort of way.There is no calculus to their beliefs, only disjointed axioms. It states very clearly in the old testement that children who do not mind their parents are to be killed; that is an axiom. The reason these children are not killed is due to other axioms. In a purely logical sense, you cannot have two axioms that contradict. It does not allow for a progression, but rather mandates behaviors and beliefs that forbid understanding because there is no way to make sense of conflicting axioms.If you want to witness logical gymnastics, ask a fundamentalist why the divorce rate in Massachusetts, which allows gay marriage, is the lowest in the country, while the highest divorce rates are in the so-called Bible-belt states.Being in a state of grace is in theory very simple. Where things get difficult is over time, the rules begin to conflict with behavior that we have no control over. A 15-year-old boy looking at God’s beautiful creation named Jane during math class is no more responsible for his erection than Billy is for hating Muslims after being taught to fear and hate them. The only difference is that God is disappointed in one of them, and some kind of atonement is in order.The fact that all the big rewards are promised after death is completely predictable. What religion asks is usually something tangible. What it offers is usually something unprovable.But that’s just the way faith works, right?The sheep are alseep in the field, while the sheppard fleeces the flock.

  • e9999999

    the gop stinks. they lied about the war, and they’ve demonstrated such an willingness to manipulate and connive that i think it’s time we review our own history. why were all the left leaders of the sixties killed? the kennedys, martin luther king, malcolm x…who profited from their deaths?

  • Aussie Barry

    It is a pity I am an atheist and therefore have to use logically defendable concepts in an argument.Just think, if I was a “Blessed Person” like Rev Randy, I could just pronounce, anyone who disagrees – well they just aren’t Blessed enough. Just think of the money I could make from the wannabe Blessed

  • Kevin

    Rev. Barnett,So, I am deemed (by myself?) to be one of the blessed and therefore infallible and beyond question. My privileged knowledge is beyond the comprehension of mere natural men and so any statement I make requires no clarification of its basis in scripture.A very convenient construct. The very act of questioning or disagreeing is proof of ones unholiness and amounts to persecution. Sounds to me less a description of a “man of God” than of God Himself.We appreciate your descending to this forum to attempt to communicate with we mere mortals. kw

  • Hoosier Daddy?

    AIPAC, more correctly, the politicians, have sold out America, forsaken it’s best interest for that of Israel.It is sad that one cannot cast a vote for the President of the United States, without supporting someone who will Stand with Israel, Right OR Wrong.The American People’s tax dollars have already been pledged away in the form of weapons for the most powerful, most aggressive, and most divisive government in the Middle East.Does Israel really need MORE Weapons?Why is Israel the Largest Recipient of US foreign Aid? (2.4 billion)Why is Israel allowed to break UN Resolution after Un Resolution?Why is Israel allowed to steal Nuclear secrets from the US?Why is Israel allowed to have Nukes and bomb her neighbors, unprovoked, at her whim.Why is the US beholden only to AIPAC, who represent the most far Right Faction in Israeli Politics.What does the US get in Return for unconditional support for Israel’s apartheid, bombings, threats, and hypocrisy?Hatred. Terrorism. More of the Same.Sounds like a GREAT DEAL for the American People.AIPAC And the Right Wing Zionists have already won the US Presidential Election.There is NO Change, from Obama, or anyone else.We belong to Israel now.

  • marie

    Thank-you, I am a christian, but believe that I am responsible to hele those around me in need. There are many. Not buy another something. I would never give so that others can live in the lap of lusury. But millions are fooled by him. I am sorry.

  • william kraal

    what a disgusting bunch those homophobic moneygrubbing preachers! lets be honest this jesus hokus/pokus is a fraud a total scam ,all those overweight dudes want is your hardearned money! religion poisons everything it touches!

  • Steve in Philadelphia

    It is amazing and appalling to realize how many Americans are willing if not eager to reject their God-given rationality and instead follow the dictates of any clever demagogue who claims to speak for God.

  • Ba’al

    John McCain shouldn’t get a get-out-of-jail card about the radical clerics whose endorsements he actively sought.Why should he? If he didn’t know what Parsley and Hagee were about before he sought their endorsements, what does this say about his diligence?If he did, what does it say about his judgment and his vaunted principles?

  • candide

    As loathsome as Hagee and Parsley are they are consistent evangelicals who believe that God works through history. Instead of blaming them you should blame the Bible which is both nonsense and an evil book which has inspired murder and persecution for thousands of years.

  • ANGIE FRANCE

    Mcain did not go to Hagee’s church for 20 years. Bama is given a pass and people like you try to shift the argument from Bama and his lunatic father Wright. No one is saying Hagee is right about everything he says. Bama is a socalist left wing radical and it will come out and the media will have to report it.

  • Enemy Of The State

    It may be time to revisit the tax-free status of churches and other religious organizations. Hagee’s church, like many others, is clearly not a non-profit institution.

  • jaimetre

    I am really tired of men of the cloth – preachers, priests, imans, rabbis and whoever. They continue to vigorously impose their interpretation of the supernatural on the rest of us. It is interesting to note that Pfleger, a catholic priest, said that he is neither racist nor sexist. That is a bit hard to swallow, considering the positions of the catholic church toward women.I agree that the tax exempt status of religious institutions should be revaluated.

  • frederic

    The mere fact that a caricature, a perversion of the human mind like Hagee is discussed, seriously discussed in the US, is one of the reasons of the total loss of respect for America in the rest of the world. Large parts of the American electorate are “educated” through institutionalized stupidity. We want to laugh it off, but then, we realize the threat and danger emanating from such monsters, and we can’t laugh anymore.How can a considerable part of US voters not notice that their blood is being sucked and venom injected in their blood by ticks of the sort of Hagee and Robertson.Endorsed or finally rejected: McCain, a candidate for the most powerful job in the world, infected by the same disease – incredible and terrifying.

  • rkerg

    Is there something in the water in Texas that makes people more likely to fall for fantastic tales told by strange guys who present themselves as ‘prophets

  • Toni Watkins

    I find it very appalling that these are such condesending comments about the Men of God. First, you need to check out the WORD OF GOD.. He says, Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed, as nations that curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:2-3 There is nothing to debate. You will never be able to take The Word of God out, which is THE TRUTH! It is not about US, Its all about JESUS. God Loved us so much that He made a way for us to be free. That is the Message of Salvation and what Pastor Hagee and Pastor Parsley is conveying to the World. We are totally in a mess. You dont have to look hard. Morality is at a all time low… Gods Word is true whether you believe or not. I’d stop bashing Televangelists and search the Word of God for why Pastor Hagee says what He says.. God wants a relationship with His Creation point blank that is why we are Here on this earth. God blesses those who takes care of His Kingdom Business. To be blessed is empowerment to prosper in all that you do. I cant see anything politically that the canidates are doing but bashing, and bringing out hate and trash at each other to get a vote. So this is something to be proud of. I am suppose to jump for joy at this, I think NOT. A house divided can not stand. We all should know this. I think politically everything is distorted. Look at the last presidential campaign. Its not only about the USA its about the World. What affects the world will affect US. GOD IS GLOBAL. HE LOVES ALL. Pastor Hagee and Pastor Parsley have committed there lives to God… So before you and everyone else who disagrees, SIN will not be tolerated by God.. it would be in the Best interest of This Nation to TURN BACK TO GOD AND ACCEPT HIS LOVE AND WHAT HE DID FOR ALL THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

  • Chagasman

    Facism will come to America wrapped in the flag and carrying a Bible. The evangelicals want to establish a religious facist state in the US, no doubt about it, and they are using the Republican party just as the party is using them. Our democracy is seriously threatened by God.

  • Fate

    Krista wrote: “I must correct you on a few items. When Hagee said the Holocaust was the will of God he’s not trying to come across as insulting to the Jews. If you know anything about Biblical history you know that the Jews have suffered for hundreds of years. They suffer because they are “the chosen”.”Do you think that only Jews suffered during the Holocaust? Let me ask you, how many non-jews died in the camps, were exterminiated for other reasons? How many non-jews died in the war? How many non-jews suffered in Palestine at the hands of the jews? Maybe God is now punishing the Palestinians? Maybe they are his new chosen people? Your silly “correction” makes no sense, is a fable, and deserves not to be taken seriously.The problem with this type of thinking is that it is not “thinking”, it is wishful-thinking. It is hindsight, trying to validate a religion based on history, and twisting historical facts into aspects of the faith, essentially trying to fit a peg into a hole it was never meant to fit into. I always laugh when I hear the fundamentalists claim that God wants a converstaion with us, but that he refuses to talk directly to us, and so we need to pay money to people like Hagee to get our message to God, and get some reward from God. What is not funny is the number of gullible people who fall into that con.

  • Fate

    Toni Watkins wrote: “I find it very appalling that these are such condesending comments about the Men of God. First, you need to check out the WORD OF GOD.. He says, Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed, as nations that curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:2-3 There is nothing to debate.”You know, this is what I find very strange. Toni here says that there is no debating what God said, that we must support Israel or be cursed. But it says this in the old testament, where it also says we must slaughter lambs, keep holy the Sabbath (Saturday), and other things christians do not do today. When asked about that I am told there is a “new covenant”, that Jesus’ blood replaced the slaughter of animals, that our “agreement” with God has changed. If that is so, why is Israel still blessed and why do we need to hold to some of the words of the old testament but not others? I get sick and tired of people opening a bible, pointing to a line of scripture, slamming the book shut and saying there is “no debate”. Where in the Book does it say I must pay money to talk to God, because I am ready to debate that point.

  • Gregg

    “God’s Profits” is an excellent expose of televangelists who manipulate the Word of God as a means to their own ends, including:This is not a passing fad. I attended a “church” in the Milwaukee, Wis., area for years that supports these ministries and the heretical “prosperity gospel” message, and there you will find the same things you will see from TV ministries – arrogant, authoritarian, brow-beating, condescending sermons by one control-freak “pastor” who CONSTANTLY asks for money. The people in the pews are in many cases poor, broke, desperate and disenfranchised, and are being taken advantage of. The point is, televangelists aren’t the only ones to be made accountable – accountability should be for the local level as well.If something doesn’t seem right in the church you’re attending, ask questions. Demand accountability from these people. And if you don’t get it, LEAVE. God gave you free will. Exercise it.

  • candide

    There is something pathetic about Obama kissing all those lardy Zionist asses at AIPAC. AIPAC does not promote American interests nor even Israeli interests. Israel will never be secure without the peace AIPAC opposes, peace with the Palestinians based on generosity and honor. AIPAC is a group of rightwing Jews whose only religion is Fascism.

  • G

    Is anyone else completely aggravated about the droves of uneducated people who have to give their two cents about Israel and the middle east, but really have no clue what’s going on? Let’s make it really simple so even the retards that consistently post on sites like these can understand: look at a map…see Israel-k that is the only Jewish state. Now see every other country in a 2000 mile radius (practically)- k those are Islamic states. Why is it that Israel is treated as though it’s the size of the Soviet Union? AIPAC and other pro-Israel lobbies have a right to petition our government-and since many members of our government, like Obama, McCain, and Clinton are intelligent and educated they support Israel, because they know the steps toward peace it has taken. AIPAC doesn’t care one bit about US policy in Latin America, Central America, eastern or western Europe, east Asia, or Oceania…just the middle east where Israel is surrounded by enemies never willing to make any peace. AIPAC doesn’t endorse candidates or contribute any money, and it’s powerful because the majority of Americans realize Israel’s quest for peace since its founding, as evidenced by the withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, the giving back of the Sinai for peace with Egypt, current negotiations with Syria over the Golan, and the 1994 peace accord with Jordan. Give Israel a break and educate yourselves, please. The lack of peace is from Arab refusal to recognize Israel, such as in Hamas’ (democratically elected) charter which calls for the destruction of Israel and many, many anti-semitic rantings, not because Israelis built some houses on land they probably shouldn’t have. By their own admittance, any peace proposal is a stepping stone to the eventual destruction of Israel to many Arabs. Sorry if I let facts get in the way of your people’s arguments.

  • Rbird

    Hagee is the personification of gluttony. Just look at that fat hog on the platform huffing and puffing his sermon. But, I suppose, even retards are entitled to some kind of ‘leader’.

  • Gabriel

    “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.”Poor Sarah and those who choose to ignore the word of God, only you will be held accountable for you.

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