Obama’s Latest Pastor Disaster

By the time you finish watching this YouTube video (which had about 95,000 showings as of this morning) it will … Continued

By the time you finish watching this YouTube video (which had about 95,000 showings as of this morning) it will be well on its way to reaching: 1) its one millionth viewing, and, 2) its one billionth close reading by Clinton and McCain staffers.

The action took place last Sunday at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Yes. That Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago! This time, however, the valedictory is made not by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, but by a white Chicago Catholic priest by the name of Rev. Michael Pfleger.

During his sermon, Father Pfleger mocked Hillary Clinton’s tears before the New Hampshire primary. He opines that she cried because she felt “entitled” because she is white “and there’s a black man stealing my show.” Father Pfleger apologized late Thursday for the remarks, saying his sermon was “inconsistent with Senator Obama’s life and message.”

But by delivering his remarks, Father Pfleger seems to have officially submitted his entry to the What Else Can We At Trinity Do to Further Assure that the United States Does Not Have Its First African-American President Any Time Soon? video competition. And this application has “Finalist” marked all over it.

It achieves this status because Father Pfleger has more than a passing acquaintance with the person who stands on the verge of winning the Democratic Party’s nomination.

His precise relation to Senator Obama is presently being pieced together and rehearsed in articles across the internet (such as this one, and this one). As of now, it seems fair to say that Pfleger (who has suddenly disappeared from the candidate’s website) and Obama have known and liked one another for a long time. The former appears to have financially contributed to previous campaigns and to have worked for the present one prior to the Iowa Caucus.

According to widely circulated reports (although I have not been able to track down the original source in the few hours since this story broke) Obama once referred to Pfleger as a “spiritual adviser” in a 2004 Chicago Sun-Times article.

It’s going to be a long weekend for the Obama people.

We have recently had the opportunity to see John McCain’s Pastor Distancing Techniques on display. Barack Obama, also well versed in Faith Based Disaster Management, has swiftly and unambiguously denounced the remarks. This rapid response might minimize the damage. In his own words:

As I have traveled this country, I’ve been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that that unites us. That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger’s divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn’t reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause.

After watching — slackjawed — Father Michael Pfleger’s remarks about Hillary Clinton and White privilege I have queries. First, what is it about that particular pulpit that brings out the inner Chris Rock in assorted Men of God?

Second, are there any guys on the face of the earth having more fun than the four fellows in robes whooping it up directly behind Father Pfleger? Third, are we going to be told by Obama operatives that the remarks were taken out of context? Fourth, and most importantly, what will be the fallout for the Obama campaign?

In a general election a presidential candidate typically moves to the center. It is now going to be even harder for Obama to do that since America keeps seeing footage of his friends who stand to the left of Fidel Castro.

But that’s not all. The Senator from Illinois has his share of difficulties with White Blue Collar voters. I have observed elsewhere that this group loathes this type of rhetoric (unless it comes from Chris Rock).

There’s more to be concerned about. Obama has demonstrated some weakness with Catholic voters. The fact that he finds himself receiving glowing praise from a priest who has been in a running, public feud with his local Cardinal might aggravate the problem.

Let’s not forget Senator Clinton. She surely will chime in on this controversy later today. It will deflect attention from her own recent gaffes. And it will strengthen her supporters’ conviction that the racial hang-ups of Obama’s inner circle will accrue to John McCain’s greater glory. Too, there is more than a touch of misogyny in the priest’s oratory and (as the Male Space Invader Rick Lazio learned the hard way) many women voters rally to Hillary when they feel a gendered slight.

I don’t doubt that the Senator’s aforementioned words of regret are sincere. I don’t doubt that he truly deplores this type of rhetoric. But how many more radical Left- wing confidantes from the South Side can undecided voters withstand? At what point do they start questioning the man’s claims about being a unifier who is above Red States and Blue States, Republican and Democrat, Conservative and Liberal?

(For more information about religion and the candidates check out Faith 2008 by the Berkley Center for Religion, Peace & World Affairs.)

By Jacques Berlinerblau | 
May 29, 2008; 7:53 PM ET


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  • norman ravitch

    Good to know that the Catholic church has crazies too. Remember Fr. Groppi many decades ago? He railed against banks and the rich, with subrosa inuendoes that they were all Jewish. Then there was the Fascist head of Slovakia during WWII who sent Jews to Auschwitz. Remember also Fr. Coughlin during the Roosevelt Administration who preached antisemitism on the radio until he was stopped by his archbishop. There are leftwing and rightwing crazy priests just as there are leftwing and righwing crazy redneck Protestant ministers.

  • norman ravitch

    Good to know that the Catholic church has crazies too. Remember Fr. Groppi many decades ago? He railed against banks and the rich, with subrosa inuendoes that they were all Jewish. Then there was the Fascist head of Slovakia during WWII who sent Jews to Auschwitz. Remember also Fr. Coughlin during the Roosevelt Administration who preached antisemitism on the radio until he was stopped by his archbishop. There are leftwing and rightwing crazy priests just as there are leftwing and righwing crazy redneck Protestant ministers.

  • Obama Presidency Will Set Race Relations Back

    An Obama Presidency Will Set Race Relations Back DecadesWE DO NOT ACCEPT OBAMAS POLITICAL DAMAGE APOLOGY!!!WHITE AMERICA SAY NO TO RACIST OBAMA, It’s been proved with Rev Wright and confirmed with Pfleger he is racist! Once again he is connected with another so-called “preacher” at the so-called “church” TCC, which has proved to be a place to worship and spew hate against white Americans. WATCH THE VIDEO!!! Watch the blacks jumping up and down as the idiot Pfleger attacks white and the Former TWO TERM First Lady and WHITE WOMAN verbally. Once again in a so-called House of God. I think not. TCC is a racist radical group. Obama is not FIT to even be representing our country!!!! Just this Sunday Father Michael Pfleger (a longtime friend and associate of Senator Obama) mocked Hillary Clinton & AGAIN ATTACKED WHTE PEOPLE at Obama’s church OF 20 PLUS YEARS.”I really believe that she just always thought, ‘This is mine! I’m Bill’s wife, I’m white, and this is mine! I just gotta get up and step into the plate.’ And then out of nowhere came, ‘Hey, I’m Barack Obama,’ and she said, ‘Oh, damn! Where did you come from? I’m white! I’m entitled! There’s a black man stealing my show! She wasn’t the only one crying, there was a whole lot of white people crying!”

  • Fuji

    I hope his bishop tears his head off.

  • Fuji

    I hope his bishop tears his head off.

  • JLH

    Sunday morning in America are the most segregated hours of the week. Just why do you think that is?

  • Jacques

    It is only a pathetic, ignorant soul who believes that the American people are so shallow to conclude the guilt of a candidate just by what someone else says or does. There are big, consequential issues at stake. That you would continually drum up this ridiculous guilt-by-association syndrome instead of focusing on those issues betrays your desperation. What a shame!!

  • Paul Nolan

    This is a phony controversy. I am not electing the pastor, I am electing the candidate. The media loves to divert people from reality. Look at the bloody mess they made with the Iraq war. When they start trials of the media types who sold people on the war, then I will start worrying about Obama’s pastor “problem”. The problem is you not the pastor.

  • carl29

    For what I read in the article is the journalist who calls this pastor “Obama’s spiritual adviser.” Of course Obama is known for zillions of pastors in the South Side of Chicago; He was a community organizer working with churches. This is such a witch hunt. I don’t understand how can someone become responsible for what somebody else says. For example, I’m a legal assistan, going to law school to become an attorney myself. I have worked with a few attorneys throughout this years. Should I be responsible for everything that those attorneys say or do? If any of us was held at the same standard that Sen. Obama is being held, I at least will be in the verge of paranoia.

  • Liz

    I thought this was despicable. People are allowed to think how they want, to feel how they want. But to take that level of hatred and contempt and package it as entertainment, in Obama’s church, was unbelievable. How anyone can not call Pfleger’s remarks racist is beyond me. And Pfleger was a close confidante and supporter of Obama’s, going back 20 years. What I think this does, primarily, is lose Obama a lot of votes. It is yet one more instance of over-the-top behavior, in Obama’s church, where he has worshiped for 20 years. And I don’t care what people say about white people not understanding black churches — that doesn’t matter. What DOES matter is that a lot of people will see the whooping and hollering going on, the agreement, the applause, and say, “that doesn’t happen in my church.” And they will question Obama’s judgment.Obama probably will still get the nomination, much to my chagrin. But this tape, and others, will factor into the general election, and it won’t be in Obama’s favor.

  • Sherry Freeman

    For real!!!!!!! Why is it that again Obama is responsible for what comes out of the mouths of others when Hilary isn’t even responsible for what comes out of her mouth or have we already forgotten the reasons she stated as to why she’s still in the race? “My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don’t understand it,” she said, dismissing calls to drop out.” Her words not mine. Was that tasteful? No. Was that a rasist comment? Yes! Considering Obama could very well be the first Black President how was this comment NOT RASIST????? And yet here we go again. Really??? Yes, really.

  • amused

    Can you see the candidacy of Obama collapsing? From his racist Wife to a series of hateful and hate-filled Pastors, we are witnessing the truth about Obama and his belief system come out. Lord strike me dead, but if we HAVE to have a Democrat in office, I sure hope its Hillary… Okay, now I have to go wash my typing fingers off. They are soiled by my last sentence… Go Ron Paul!

  • Yehu

    Why is it that the media and the press seem to have this affinity for attributing other persons comments to Senator Obama, yet they pass on major issues by the other candidates in the race. The press obviously can’t stand the fact that an African American male is about to win the most powerful seat in the world. Let’s focus on “issues” and “fixing the country”, and not on religious rantings by mean of the cloth. Parsely and Hagee have said much worse, and if you dig as hard with the other candidates, you will find really juicy bits on the republicans. Balance and fair media coverage….

  • susan

    I think that these remarks are over the top.. i am a hillary supporter & had planned to support the dem nominee whoever she or he is… BUT this really raises a red flag for me… i will never vote for mccain but might just sit this one and out and i have been a dem activist since 1968….have campaigned for the dem nominee since 1968…. so this will be a problem across the country .. easy fix put hillary on the ticket as VP.. problem solved….if not hillary her supporters will not rally behind barack because his qon campaign played the race card very

  • Semakweli

    It won’t stick against Obama. This pastor is white.

  • Bob

    Sad. I’m not voting this fall for David Duke, or anyone that is in David Duke’s orbit. Duke is a racist of the first order.I’m not voting for anyone that comes out of the Trinity church. Their manifold racism and hatred of America and white people is clear. It’s not just a person or two. It’s all the people who are enthralled by the message. Lets see, if a person was in the KKK and had never heard David Duke’s message of hatred, what would that mean? That would mean that he was in a group of like minded friends. I ain’t voting for Obama. I don’t need to support anyone who has been involved in a racist group. Not necessary.

  • Bob Wellhoefer

    Paster disaster? Are you kidding? Guess what moron, WE DON’T CARE!!! Start reporting about something important, you stupid idiot!

  • Sherry Freeman

    And as a Black Women, if Obama put Clinton on the ticket as VP, I’ll Vote McCain this election and will vote Republican for the rest of my life.

  • Bob Wellhoefer

    Paster disaster? Are you kidding? Guess what moron, WE DON’T CARE!!! Start reporting about something important, you stupid idiot!

  • Bob Wellhoefer

    Paster disaster? Are you kidding? Guess what moron, WE DON’T CARE!!! Start reporting about something important, you stupid idiot!

  • steve boyington

    Hands down the biggest loser of this election is organized religion. How many leaders of large congregations in all corners of the country have looked to absolutely foolish? Too many to count.Seems like many religious “leaders” have completely forgotten ANY of the prime teachings of most religions. What a bunch of posers.

  • carl29

    “An Obama Presidency Will Set Race Relations Back Decades.” This very “thoughtful” article can be found in a sober, unbiased wibsite: Stop the ACLU. Man, this people really know about radicals.

  • PGR88

    Pflger is a clown. Wright appears as a cult leader. Put these two together, and the picture of Obama’s church and those who he treats as close advisors leads me to believe Obama is extremely naive and has NO judgement. Why the need to support “any” black man for President? Can’t we have a first black President who is serious, experienced, and who represents the whole country – not only a tiny radical segment in S. Chicago?

  • Sherry Freeman

    Susan:

  • wayne

    Give us a break. Not only were the comments funny, but the truth. Hillary felt it should be her right to be elected. Never in our political history has one person lied so much as Hillary and no one calls her on it. Here is one person from Arkansas that would not vote for Hillary Dillary if she were the only person running.

  • Rob

    I’m less concerned about what the guy in the video is saying, than I am about the response of the congregation. To be fair, we don’t get a panoramic view of the entire congregation, but it appears that everyone there is in agreement with him. My question is, how does Senator Obama react when this stuff is going on in the pulpit of his church? I find it hard to imagine that everyone else is standing up cheering and he is sitting primly in his seat giving disapproving glances to those around him. What would be the response if a video came out of a sermon being delivered in Hillary Clinton’s church with the minister saying that Barack Obama feels entitled to the Presidency because he is black? My guess is that Obama’s supporters would be outraged. Would they care if Senator Clinton disavowed those comments, or would they say that she is complicitly supporting them by her membership in a church that allows such garbage to be delivered from the pulpit?

  • wayne

    Give us a break. Not only were the comments funny, but the truth. Hillary felt it should be her right to be elected. Never in our political history has one person lied so much as Hillary and no one calls her on it. Here is one person from Arkansas that would not vote for Hillary Dillary if she were the only person running.

  • PGR88

    There are indeed many crazy pastors and reverends out there – but Presidents and future-Presidents SHOULD NOT HAVE THEM AS CLOSE ADVISORS! Obamanuts can deny it all they want – but this is a serious issue.

  • nobama

    Paster disaster? Are you kidding? Guess what moron, WE DON’T CARE!!! Start reporting about something important, you stupid idiot!=====================================”Obama is so popular that blacks will go to the bathroom while he’s insight and take a deep breath”.That’s fanaticism. That’s blind following. That’s cultist behavior. Uncritical, amoral. Like soviets following Stalin: “we don’t care”, “nothing sticks to him”.Obamabots will follow him even if he finally shouts ‘i’m a marxist, i want to overturn the u.s. government, i want to kill all whites’.You people are sick. But we have the medicine for you. We’ll administer it to you on November.

  • Anonymous

    Paster disaster? Are you kidding? Guess what moron, WE DON’T CARE!!! Start reporting about something important, you stupid idiot!=====================================”Obama is so popular that blacks will go to the bathroom while he’s insight and take a deep breath”.That’s fanaticism. That’s blind following. That’s cultist behavior. Uncritical, amoral. Like soviets following Stalin: “we don’t care”, “nothing sticks to him”.Obamabots will follow him even if he finally shouts ‘i’m a marxist, i want to overturn the u.s. government, i want to kill all whites’.You people are sick. But we have the medicine for you. We’ll administer it to you on November.

  • huh?

    a priest says something and then it’s Obama’s fault? Is this all you have to write about? how about the cost of fuel and the economy.

  • nobama

    Paster disaster? Are you kidding? Guess what moron, WE DON’T CARE!!! Start reporting about something important, you stupid idiot!=====================================”Obama is so popular that blacks will go to the bathroom while he’s insight and take a deep breath”.That’s fanaticism. That’s blind following. That’s cultist behavior. Uncritical, amoral. Like soviets following Stalin: “we don’t care”, “nothing sticks to him”.Obamabots will follow him even if he finally shouts ‘i’m a marxist, i want to overturn the u.s. government, i want to kill all whites’.You people are sick. But we have the medicine for you. We’ll administer it to you on November.

  • Jim

    Please give us all a break! This mean-spirited and intellectually flacid approach to politics is really so tired. You don’t seem sure of your facts (you mention that Pfleger had “disappeared” from Obama’s website w/o telling us in what context he had been on it, if he had been on it at all), and you make no case for why Obama should be held responsible for what this man says. This is nothing but an attempted hit-job, but fortunately I think it’s unlikely that anyone will take it very seriously.

  • Rob

    JLH, why is it racist for the Clinton campaign to discuss getting the white vote, but ok for the Obama campaign to discuss getting the black vote?

  • Jerry

    This is a non-issue. Why is Obama responsible for what a few whacky men of cloth say? Let’s focus on the important stuff.

  • mobedda

    Uh…. You forgot to mention why this has anything to do with Obama?I probably drove by this church once, about 15 years ago; should I hide from the press? Should I worry about righteous mobs descending on my home demanding renunciation?Oh, never mind. Just let me know when you’re done building Mount Molehill.

  • Jamie

    I am a supporter of Obama and I thought the comments were ridiculous by this pastor. However, remember that FOX News had this story for about a week and only just decided to report it to divert attention away from Scott McClellan and his book. Hillary Clinton supporters, as well as republicans don’t want Obama to succed in anything. They are both in cohots to destroy him.

  • junglejim123

    Just say NO to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Dean etc. The DNC has given us a racist and bigoted candidate and his angry wife to boot !! The DNC has lost their minds and we need to bring them back to reality. they are as out of touch with reality as George Bush is. Since they are hell bent on getting Hillary out of this race – we must return the favor in November. Vote for anyone BUT Obama and his merry band of racists, terrorists and thugs. His gang is dividing America and setting the black rights movement back 50 years. Us “bitter white folks’ as he called us” need to show the Obama cheerleaders that we count. When MCCain wins the big electoral states that Hillary won – he will be the President. Watch for riots and burnings. All of this could be avoided if the DNC chose the more qualified candidate – Hillary Clinton- but they will proceed to divide our nation and cause us to lose this fall. Time to think about a 3rd party candidate or a vote for McCain. Again, anyone BUT Obama-DRAMA !!!

  • TTH

    Enough!!!!! The Priest has a right to his opinion just as Rev. Wright. Those opinions are NOT and were NOT made by the candidate. It is the media that is making this a black/white issue. Regardless of where Senator Obama worships I’m sure that he will have different views from the clergy as many individuals do. Enough already!!!!!!

  • candide

    Say what you will about Fr. Pfleger he got it right! Hillary does think she is entitled to the White House. She was first lady, she was screwed publically by her immoral husband-president, she was ridiculed and attacked for her role in the administration of her ridiculous husband. And then comes along this black boy who doesn’t know his place or that his place comes after her.

  • gmc

    It boggles the mind to think another clergyperson acts like a donkey’s rear in the pulpit. Is he not there to spread the word of God? Politics should be left on the outside, keep them out of church services. How dare these thoughtless individuals abuse their authority? The Constitution specifies separation of church and state. Let us keep it that way.

  • Anonymous

    Remember the last Presidential candidate that claimed to be the great uniter…that’s right, it was none other than George W. Bush. And in 8 years the only thing that he been able to unite is the country against him.In the same way that George W. Bush has divided the country from the right, so, too, will Obama divide the country from the left.Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

  • dd

    Please tell me how either Obama, Clinton, or McCain is prospectively responsible for a stupid comment made by another person. I can perhaps see taking someone to task for associating with an individual who has said something inflammatory in the past (although if we all did that, we’d be pretty lonely). But to monitor everyone a candidate has connections with for dumb comments, and tehn report them breathlessly as if they are news, is just moronic, and bad journalism. I imagine each of the 3 candidates has several hundred aquaintences, at a minimum, who could be described as close friends. By sheer numbers, one of them is going to say something they regret on a daily basis. Are candidates supposed to run around monitoring and censoring their aquaintences, before the dumb words can be blurted out? Frankly, I’d rather they focused on real issues. And the same goes for this column.

  • James Hare

    What I’d really like to know is what Mr. Obama’s gardener has to say about all this. This has been without a doubt the stupidest election season in the history of the nation. Our vaunted “journalists” are so pathetically inept they give inept a bad name.

  • Ohno She Di’int

    Enough already! Don’t people know “Thou shalt not record sermons in church and post them on YouTube.”

  • esq

    Sir w/ all due respect, I think that your’re article reveals your enthusiasic need to paint Mr. Obama in the least favorable light as possible, so let me add some missing information. 1. Mr. Obama is not catholic, he is a member of the UCC denomination. Father Flager is not his paster or priest. 2. Father Flager’s comments are opinions, which he should be free to express as a clergymen3. Even if we are to concede that they are “offensive,” they are NOT of the same character as Mr. Hagee, Parsley, Robertson, Farwell or wright4. To the extent that they are “racial” they are coming from a white man speaking about Sen. Clinton. (the racial aspect is a little less potent in that context)5. Father F. is not a member or pastor of Trinity, he is a VISITING speaker (this is important don’t you think)6. Mr. Obama probably knows and is friendly with 100s of preachers, rabbis and priest because he started his career working w/ CHURCHES trying to bring economic development to chicago’s poverty stricken neighborhoods in the 80s. 7. Mr. Obama is obviously a deeply religious man (CHRISTIAN) and has close relationships w/ man clergymen but more importantly he is really into faith base initiatives (sound familiar?). This obviously has risk because priest, pastor etc… has a pulpit, they like to talk, they have opinions. HOWEVER, in what world has anyone ever had to answer for a clergymen who is not the head of his church or even in the same denomination?8. This year’s presidential election is setting up a very bad precedent. Presidential campaigns will be running from churches and their leaders b/c they don’t want to have to answer for everything someone says in a pulpit (Hagee? Parsley?). Preachers want to be free to speak w/o having to answer in a political/media context. 9. You are obviously a religion expert, therefore you must know that things said in a pulpit can be viewed differently in a political context. 10. Maybe you should take a poll of people in this country and ask them “do you believe that Sen. Clinton is staying the race because she feels entitled? If so, what are the basis of her feelings of entitlement? Seniority? Class? Race? Political Pedigree?” I venture to say that you will be shocked at the response. If you cant commission a poll, maybe you should call some of your AA friends and ask them to react to the priest’s comments honestly. I think that you commentators should get out more and meet w/ real people before you start forcing your outrage on others.

  • mtrav

    So, that’s another Obama spiritual advisor, white this time, spewing hatred against whites right there in Obama’s very own “Holy” Trinity Church. What a spectacle. But I’m sure there must be some excuse that they can muster for that disgusting outburst against whites and Hillary. Isn’t there? Go ahead, justify it, I dare you.

  • Boosterprez

    What the priest said at this church, as well as all of the things sermonized by Jeremiah Wright, should not be the focus….the focus should be on the congregation, and THEIR reaction to what is said.These people are NOT outraged in the least by the comments being made…they are clapping in agreement! This is not just about what two preachers are saying….it is about preaching to the choir. They are saying exactly what these people want to hear. It is the environment of the church as a whole that should disturb people….an environment that attracted the likes of Barack Obama and his family to attend.This Black Liberation Theology is what Barack Obama is really all about….it’s just not politically expedient to admit it.

  • Lemont Harris

    Well since someone took the time to come out and call you idiot I want to say I appreciate your article very much.Thank you for pointing out a very serious problem that ties back to Mr. Obama’s failure to make good judgement.Count me in as someone who believes there is a very serious problem with the way that this so-called religious leader of Mr. Obama’s church is warping people’s minds with hate. The above commenter that called you an idiot has obviously fell victim to the kind of hate and blindness that the pastor is breeding.And for the record, if Mr. Obama is forced as the candidate for president, I will join the ranks of people that will gladly vote for Mr. McCain. At least McCain has served our Country.Voting for Mr. Obama would be a bad judgment call as far as I’m concerned.

  • Stan Szczepankiewicz

    It might be wise for any public candidate to steer clear from these so-called men of God. Now one begins to see why during our past history on this planet, these spiritual guiders have caused more harm than good in our world.

  • BillBlue

    For what it’s worth, Father Pfleger has been a very successful pastor at his South Side parish for decades, supporting the spiritual lives and welfare of his flock.

  • Jack

    “But how many more radical Left- wing confidantes from the South Side can undecided voters withstand before they start questioning the man’s claims about being a unifier who is above Red States and Blue States, Republican and Democrat, Conservative and Liberal?”It’s not exaclty fair to blame Obama for views of confidantes. What it does show is that the shock value of these statments stem from the lack of dialogue this country has had in the past fifty years on the issue of race and identity. What Obama should be judged on is his actions as a father and husband, son and brother; his work as a community organizer – which best takes place in forming relationships with churches and whether or not you agree with said churches foundations. You can not single out Rev. Michael Pflger and Jeremiah Wright (also a former Marine) for their expressed views just like you can’t single out McCain’s Pastor’s views and put them in a neat box and label bad or exploit them as the personal view the canidates. Sure it looks bad, but the logic is flawed.

  • George Seals

    The operative conclusion regarding Father Pfleger’s commentary from the pulpit is as Mr.Berlinerblau stated, “What Else Can We At Trinity Do to Further Assure that the United States Does Not Have Its First African-American President Any Time Soon?”. The veracity of Father Pfleger’s comments is not relevant. There are very severe limits to a racial dialogue in America that Barack Obama is profoundly sensitive to. I doubt these comments can rise to the level of the Jeremiah Wright controversy but Father Pfleger must realize that his comments will not serve as a bridge to understanding to Hillary Clinton, her supporters or white America in general. Twisting a vernacular that some may understand: You (Father Pfleger) are not helping a brother out.

  • WCLincoln

    Well I must say, this certainly confirms that Jesus was not the only one betrayed by Judas! There seems to be a lot of them these days – now that a Black man is not only running for the Presidency of the United States,but seems to have a good chance of winning; and they seem to all be in Senator Obama’s church! Could they be “Hilary” supporters. Doesn’t it seem odd to any of you that all of these comments seem to be strategically planned. Afterall, tomorrow the Democrats vote on what to do about the Michigan and Florida Delegates. Come on people, get your heads out of the ground and wise up. Apparently, America is not yet ready for a Black candidate. And while a white pastor made the most recent remarks, once again Senator Obama is paying the price of what somebody else said. What amuses me is that it appears to be exactly how Senator Clinton thinks. She has made too many comments about Senator Obama that really were made in bad taste. Yet somehow they never seem to get the play they deserve and that’s partly because Senator Obama is not vindictive like Senator Clinton; so he has never retaliated. He’s a Black man and is use to people trying to put him down. I am a Black woman and at first I thought Senator Clinton would make a very good President. Now I just don’t trust her at all and I do think her remarks were racist in all cases. Yet somehow Senator Obama has not made any racial remarks at all – while others of course have – and he gets all the heat. Wake up America, this is 2008 and race relations are still at the top of the agenda for us to get it together before the Lord comes back!

  • ZZim

    Look, Obama belongs to a group of people who use race-baiting fiery speeches to further their political agendas. We can all see that. It’s a well-established component of the Democratic Party power structure. It’s a large enough component to give a politician like Obama enough support to provide him with serious influence within the Democratic Party. However, it’s not a large enough constituency to deliver a general election. Partly because this same brand of politics is repulsive to another part of the Democratic Party base and even more repulsive to the rest of us. Obama is going to win the primary and lose the general election. His loss will perversely serve to cement his support from the fiery race-baiting crowd and their followers. He will therefore remain an important and infuential politician in left-wing circles. But he will never again become a candidate for national office. He’ll be a lot like Ted Kennedy.

  • tth

    After reading some of these comments it jolted me back to reality. This country is still very racist. GOD help us all!!!

  • Candice

    I am so SICK and TIRED of hearing journalists write about how what happens at Trinity is “damaging” or “hurting” Barack Obama. TRINITY DOES NOT EXIST TO SERVE BARACK OBAMA! BARACK OBAMA IS NOT THE ONLY MEMBER OF TRINITY! TRINITY’S PULPIT IS NEITHER HOSTAGE NOR CAPTIVE TO THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN! Trinity has thousands of other members. Trinity has a right to remain true to itself and its traditions regardless of Obama’s campaign. Trinity’s congregants have a right to hear whatever message its preachers and guests bring to the pulpit.You say Obama has “pastor problems”??? Well guess what? Trinity has politician problems. Trinity can’t be what it is in peace because a foolish politician hitched his @*&! name to it. I’M SICK AND TIRED OF IT!! Obama did not found Trinity, Obama does not own Trinity, and Obama does not dictate what happens at Trinity. PERIOD!!

  • Boosterprez

    And I’d also add that Obama’s “pastor problems” and McCain’s supposed issues with Hagee and Parsley are MILES APART….These two men are CLOSE associates/confidantes of Barack Obama…he sat in the pews of the church that invited these gentlemen to speak….TO THEM…McCain had no such relationship with Hagee and Parsley…they were not HIS pastors, he did not attend either of their churches, he did not share confidences or seek personal advice from either of these men.So to conclude that the two circumstances are even remotely similar is ludicrous on its face.

  • anon

    big deal..

  • Chris

    I’m sorry, what exactly was it the man said that was untrue? Hillary has lost this contest and she’s weeping her way around the country trying to steal it. Give me a break. Wake up.

  • Mike

    When did telling the truth go out of style?

  • Gossamer

    I fail to see how a visiting priest who doesn’t speak for a politician, is in no way affiliated with his campaign, and is from a different denomination becomes a problem for a politician who wasn’t even at the service.But since you say that Catholic Priests now signify an error in judgement on Obama’s part, when do you all start blaming Obama for the fact that Catholic priests have been raping young boys and girls for decades?

  • Jamie

    I am a Obama supporter and I was disgusted by this preacher too, however many people who dislike Obama will use any reason to not support him. I think he could really help this country if given the opportunity to do so. But Hilliary supporters, as well as republicans hate him so much that they are willing to do and say anything to keep him from the presidency. Realize that FOX News had this story about that pastor for about a week and decided that now was a good time to report on it because of Scott McClellan and his book about the criminals in the white house.

  • Erndog

    Your article nailed it square on. Can you imagine the uproar if any of the past Republican or Democrat presidents had spiritual advisor flakes akin to Obama’s; passing by the White House to give counsel in time of need? Billy Graham and Tony Campolo were regulars in past administrations and the nation nodded with relative approval. A slight blip on the radar occurred when Tony (The Teeth) Robbins helped Clinton with some positive, power thinking. But no one has been an advisor in recent memory with such incendiary nonsense as these fellows.It is completely relevant and informative to know the type of people Obama surrounds himself with and whom he MIGHT surround himself with in an administration. If these fellows stuck to their faith and didn’t dabble in political rhetoric in the pulpit, then we might be able to lay off of Obama and these blow-hards. Using the pulpit to pump up a candidate, particularly one who wants to be seen with you for political gain, places them squarely into “fair game” territory for critique. Hunting season is open.A picture is being painted of where Obama’s true allegiances might lie – despite his denunciations. One gets the feeling that Obama might either be catching a lot of shut-eye in these sermons (which is hard to imagine considering the verbal pyrotechnics that go on), or he has made a naive calculation that the benefits of sticking with this gang outweigh the negatives. But one gets the feeling, judging by the reaction of the congregation, that these politico/pastors are simply preaching to the choir… of which Obama is a part. We can assume that the rest of the congregation then are like-minded in their political belief system.

  • Gossamer

    I fail to see how a visiting priest who doesn’t speak for a politician, is in no way affiliated with his campaign, and is from a different denomination becomes a problem for a politician who wasn’t even at the service.But since you say that Catholic Priests now signify an error in judgement on Obama’s part, when do you all start blaming Obama for the fact that Catholic priests have been raping young boys and girls for decades?

  • Vermifax

    Oh, please….. It’s not like RFK references or ‘judgement’ at the start of the Iraq War.Pfleger’s remarks were tantamount to an SNL skit; Juvenile but, a lil’ funny and not completely false. I agree that Pfleger probably should’ve use the opportunity to preach the Bible or something but, this whole Fox News-style hit piece has no traction.The media HOPES this becomes another “Weapon of Mass Distraction” against the only SANE presidential candidate (Obama) to take our minds of Scotty Mac’s lil’ tell-all book. You know, the one about how the Wash. Post (as well as the rest of the MSM) drank the Cheney Kool-Aid and helped us into Iraq (which Obama opposed from the start).Nice try, Jacques. Go moonlight for Roger Aisles.

  • Brad

    God is quite simply not running in this election. Time to grow up. Wow, breaking news, some blacks are resentful of whites. They have every reason to be.

  • nonwhite female

    I will not vote for Obama. I would rather vote for Clinton. If that option is removed for my choice I will vote for whatever remains that is the lessor of evils but most certainly not Mr. Obama who is so very extreme. Birds od a feather flock together people- wake up.

  • Mark from Planet Earth

    Barak should stop apologizing for the truths that others speak.

  • otherthanwhite female

    I will not vote for Obama. I would rather vote for Clinton. If that option is removed for my choice I will vote for whatever remains that is the lessor of evils but most certainly not Mr. Obama who is so very extreme. Birds of a feather flock together people- wake up.

  • Chris

    “nonwhite female: Wow, you’re really neat holding your vote hostage. Why don’t you vote for McCain and send women’s causes back to the Stone Ages? Here’s the truth about your vote: nobody cares.

  • Jazziette Devereaux

    Yawwwwwnnnn!Can’t you reporters come up with something with a bit more substance? This is beyond old!Don’t you understand we don’t CARE what Obama’s Pastor said about Hillary? Why are you guys making a big deal about it trying to get us riled up?Same thing was true with HRC’s remarks about RFK. Don’t you have anything more important to torment us with?Yeah….Roosevelt was right when he said the only thing worth reading in the News was the Sports Page! Only then there wasn’t any TV!You guys are pathetic and the propaganda here is so obvious it’s laughable!*Click* *Ignore*~ Jazziette

  • kuato

    I voted for Clinton in the primary, but my allegiances have become a little shaky. I am uncertain what I will do in the general election if Obama faces McCain, but I imagine I will support Obama. I mention these things on order to provide context for what I am going to say next.I think that the Reverend Wright issue is serious. It really shook my confidence in Obama, who I truly admire, and it has definitely had an impact on my willingness to support him for president. It matters because of Obama’s long-standing close relationship with Wright and his enthusiasm for his church.Having said that, I don’t see how this new story has any legs at all. The fact that we have to do research to determine what Obama’s relationship with this guy is tells us what we need to know. If the relationship were serious, it wouldn’t require research. On some level I want to like this story and feel that it is important, but when I apply reason, I am forced to conclude that the media is simply grasping at straws in a primary season that has stretched far beyond the natural limits of the public’s interest.

  • esq

    For all those who are so outraged let ask a few question?1. do you believe that sen. clinton has a sense of entitlement?2. Should the Pope apologize for the priest?3. Is this worst than lets say molestation?4. What is Mr. Obama’s denomination? Catholic? Protestant? 5. What church should he move to where the cameras will not harass the congregation and guarantee that no visiting preacher will ever say anything offensive to anyone?6. Should he just renounce his christian faith just to be safe?7. The priest is white? How is the angry black man meme going to work this time?8. When is the last time you spoke an AA about why sen. clinton was action like she has been acting (ex. fla and michigan = slavery, women suffrage movement, kennedy assassinations, everyone is sexist, hardworking americans, white americans)This is a Fox no news story, the people don’t care. If a crazy black man like rev. wright did not sink him, a white catholic priest who is not his preacher will not do the trick. Maybe you guys should go back dismissing his uncle and grandfather’s service in WWII.

  • norman ravitch

    You never know what may happen in a campaign. Here was Pat Buchanan at the beginning of this week coming out with yet another pro-Fascist pseudo-history book about WWII and suddenly another book appears, WHAT HAPPENED by Scott McClellan which totally eclipsed Buchanan’s book tour. Then the McClellan revelations (not revelations to those who can think and see clearly, but still welcomed) arrive and have their day, but then Fr. Pfleger’s comments appear and take all the attention away. Perhaps for a day, perhaps for good.

  • Ginger

    The so called “Rev. Michael Pfleger” remarks regarding Hillary Clinton were appalling. I find it even more disturbing that the parishioners in that church were having such a great time applauding him. He is a disgrace to our Catholic faith. I do not think he was sincere in apologizing for his remarks. He was trying to CHA. That Church is also a disgrace.

  • Richard Foreman

    I think it is time for American to wake up and realize that the candidate is a racist, and is trying to slide into the office by claiming to make a good change, where in fact he does not state what the changes will be. They could all be to the detriment of this country. He says we are living in one of the most modern countrys the world has everr known, join with me to change it.

  • Jack

    The run between Hillary and Barack has never been about race otherwise Hillary gets 70% of the democratic vote and Barack 30%. The issue has always been substance versus glamour in the face of tedious incompetence. Which bothered you the most about Bush? – His garbled delivery with his sly grin or his tax cuts in face of war – and his hollowing out of the US manufacturing base? The latter bothered me the most. I am an avid reader about the global economy and based on what I learned I chose to support Mrs. Clinton. Barack is certainly one of the most inspiring candidates to come along in a long time. I just hope the Clintons have the charity and he the humility to do the brain melt that going to have to take place for him to learn the job of President. He appears to be a quick study but it will be very difficult for him to learn all the concepts and relationships he’s doesn’t know in the first 18 months of his tenture -which is all the time he has to put in place his programs. Barack is our only chance because McCain is not only too old to retrain but would have to shatter his own power base to make the changes necessary to get the country going in the right direction.

  • Candice

    I am so SICK and TIRED of hearing journalists write about how what happens at Trinity is “damaging” or “hurting” Barack Obama. TRINITY DOES NOT EXIST TO SERVE BARACK OBAMA! BARACK OBAMA IS NOT THE ONLY MEMBER OF TRINITY! TRINITY’S PULPIT IS NEITHER HOSTAGE NOR CAPTIVE TO THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN! Trinity has thousands of other members. Trinity has a right to remain true to itself and its traditions regardless of Obama’s campaign. Trinity’s congregants have a right to hear whatever message its preachers and guests bring to the pulpit.You say Obama has “pastor problems”??? Well guess what? Trinity has politician problems. Trinity can’t be what it is in peace because a foolish politician hitched his @*&! name to it. I’M SICK AND TIRED OF IT!! Obama did not found Trinity, Obama does not own Trinity, and Obama does not dictate what happens at Trinity. PERIOD!!

  • Brandon S

    What I got out of this was that, if Senator Obama’s close associates are people like this, especially a spiritual adviser, he is in a way responsible for his ‘friend’s’ actions. Although I feel and understand this point, I think each person is responsible for the decisions they make. It goes to show how the priest is as a person that he made that comment, but also it shows the understanding that a man of faith should have – the imperfectness of humans, and our ability to be forgiven, to forgive ourselves, and recognize our mistakes. That is what he did, and that is what a good man of faith does. I think that truly shows the quality of Obama’s friend, and it is unfortunate because of pressure from people who do not see that he is “forced” to remove him from his “list” of “associates”. We are all humans, and we all make mistakes, and Obama knows this, and Obama himself would not do this to his friend. Obama is a good man.

  • Richard Foreman

    I think it is time for American to wake up and realize that the candidate is a racist, and is trying to slide into the office by claiming to make a good change, where in fact he does not state what the changes will be. They could all be to the detriment of this country. He says we are living in one of the most modern countrys the world has everr known, join with me to change it.

  • Joe Smith

    Did you hear about that Mr. Obama can never be legally USA president?In a world where nations are as governed by laws as are men, Hawaii is not and has never legally been a part of the United States.Hawaiians submitted a petition to Congress with 29,000 signatures opposing annexation, and petitions to the Republic of Hawaii (the satellite government imposed upon the native Hawaiians), asking that annexation be put to a public vote. They were never permitted to vote on the issue.In all, three separate Treaties of Annexation were sent to congress. All three failed. In the end, Hawaii was annexed by a joint resolution of Congress. But Congress did not have the legal authority to do so. A joint resolution of the U.S. Congress has no legal standing in a foreign country, which is what Hawaii remained, even under the provisional government.If one holds that the government of the United States is obliged to obey the laws and the UN charter it freely signed, then the status of the Hawaiian people as a distinct and sovereign nation is beyond debate. This makes the United States in Hawaii, as Gandhi described the British in India, acting as the masters in someone else’s home. (somewhat following the pattern of the Union’s establishment of satellite governments that were forced upon the various Confederate States in the South after 1865.)On November 23, 1993, President Clinton signed United States Public Law 103-150, which not only acknowledged the illegal actions committed by the United States in the overthrow of the legitimate government of Hawaii, but also that the Hawaiian people never surrendered their sovereignty.The latter is the most important part of United States Public Law 103-150 for it makes it quite clear that the Hawaiian people never legally ceased to be a sovereign separate independent nation. There is no argument that can change that fact.United States Public Law 103-150, despite its polite language, is an official admission that the government of the United States illegally occupies the territory of the Hawaiian people. In 1999, the United Nations confirmed that the plebiscite vote that led to Hawaii’s statehood was in violation of article 73 of the United Nations’ charter. The Hawaii statehood vote, under treaty then in effect, was illegal and non-binding. ARTICLE II, Section I. of the Constitution of the United States requires:Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii and thus was not a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to satisfy the constitutional requirement for the U.S. Presidency. His mother was from Wichita, Kansas, but his father was born in Nyangoma-Ko-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya. Legally then, Barack Obama is a foreigner.According to Fox News, most of his financing has been furnished by a foreigner, Hungarian born billionaire socialist George Soros, who lives in Canada. It is revealing that the American Communist party (CPUSA) actively supports Obama.Barak Obama is hereby instructed to withdraw from the race for President of the United States. As he is consitutionally disallowed he cannot and will not be permitted to, take that office.

  • Joe Smith

    Did you hear about that Mr. Obama can never be legally USA president?In a world where nations are as governed by laws as are men, Hawaii is not and has never legally been a part of the United States.Hawaiians submitted a petition to Congress with 29,000 signatures opposing annexation, and petitions to the Republic of Hawaii (the satellite government imposed upon the native Hawaiians), asking that annexation be put to a public vote. They were never permitted to vote on the issue.In all, three separate Treaties of Annexation were sent to congress. All three failed. In the end, Hawaii was annexed by a joint resolution of Congress. But Congress did not have the legal authority to do so. A joint resolution of the U.S. Congress has no legal standing in a foreign country, which is what Hawaii remained, even under the provisional government.If one holds that the government of the United States is obliged to obey the laws and the UN charter it freely signed, then the status of the Hawaiian people as a distinct and sovereign nation is beyond debate. This makes the United States in Hawaii, as Gandhi described the British in India, acting as the masters in someone else’s home. (somewhat following the pattern of the Union’s establishment of satellite governments that were forced upon the various Confederate States in the South after 1865.)On November 23, 1993, President Clinton signed United States Public Law 103-150, which not only acknowledged the illegal actions committed by the United States in the overthrow of the legitimate government of Hawaii, but also that the Hawaiian people never surrendered their sovereignty.The latter is the most important part of United States Public Law 103-150 for it makes it quite clear that the Hawaiian people never legally ceased to be a sovereign separate independent nation. There is no argument that can change that fact.United States Public Law 103-150, despite its polite language, is an official admission that the government of the United States illegally occupies the territory of the Hawaiian people. In 1999, the United Nations confirmed that the plebiscite vote that led to Hawaii’s statehood was in violation of article 73 of the United Nations’ charter. The Hawaii statehood vote, under treaty then in effect, was illegal and non-binding. ARTICLE II, Section I. of the Constitution of the United States requires:Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii and thus was not a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to satisfy the constitutional requirement for the U.S. Presidency. His mother was from Wichita, Kansas, but his father was born in Nyangoma-Ko-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya. Legally then, Barack Obama is a foreigner.According to Fox News, most of his financing has been furnished by a foreigner, Hungarian born billionaire socialist George Soros, who lives in Canada. It is revealing that the American Communist party (CPUSA) actively supports Obama.Barak Obama is hereby instructed to withdraw from the race for President of the United States. As he is consitutionally disallowed he cannot and will not be permitted to, take that office.

  • Chris

    Why is it that most anti-Obama posters either can’t complete a sentence, can’t sustain a rational argument, and/or type in all caps/without punctuation?Oh I know! Pick me, pick me!

  • Ragged Claws

    Fascinating stuff here Jacques, this will certainly change the entire complexion of the campaign. Thank goodness you are here to report on this historic event.

  • chris

    Gee I did not realize Sen. Obama was Catholic and that Father Pfleger was his pastor. I sincerely hope the masses of American people are too intelligent to be baited into voting or not voting for a candidate based on what a third party said and in some cases a fourth party. With all this must denounce the words of another silliness whatever happened to free speech? Like free press, i don’t agree with everything I read in the paper but must I denounce the paper as if I told them to write what they wrote or can I accept that in a free societyothers are allowed to express their opinions, even those that differ from mine.

  • dcp

    And while we’re talking about Chris Rock, let’s not forget Dave Chappelle. Matter of fact, let’s not leave out Richard Pryor and Red Fox. It’s a long line of tradition with black comedians to joke about race relations, and boy is it HILARIOUS!!!!! Keep it coming.

  • nolato

    who cares?

  • Emily Lozano

    Politics aside for one second, I can’t believe these pastors are Christian. i don’t remember Christ saying anything like this in the bible. Mocking your enemies with stand-up routines? This is sick. Racism is being kept alive in this church. It’s a vicious cycle and these guys are fueling the flame for their own fame. I can’t imagine this is the pastor’s natural speech patterns either – isn’t it disingenuous of him to try to sound like Chris Rock?

  • Chris

    “Richard Foreman: Hi Rich. You’re a racist. You’re a bigot. You’re stupid. You’re gay. And you’re ugly. Wee, throwing out random unsubstantiated charges is fun!

  • gitfidler

    Obama’s associates are really sick …. hate mongers. Hate mongering. Not one word about the Lord and Savior. All hate-oriented divisive speech. Hillary is the far left — SDS, Weather Underground, and left wing as she has been .. practically a communist … hung out with communists like Hayden and Kuntsler… Ayers and Dorne.

  • Mason

    Is it possible that the black church doesn’t want to see a black man in the oval office?Do churches like Trinity, who profit greatly from the disenfranchisment of blacks, see genuine change as a threat? If a black man takes the presidency, the victim card is no longer as playable, or profitable.

  • Vermifax

    Sen. Barack Obama will be the next President of the Untied States of America and this country will begin steps towards being a truly great country.Racists White people just need to suck it up. Bush & Cheney failed you. McCain is failing you. Hillary’s kinda scary though, I really believe that deep down inside she’s a good person).I just there was rule that if you voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, you are hereby prohibited to criticize Sen. Obama in any way.

  • David

    Why is Obama still a member of this church?

  • Allen Ridge

    It’s probably time for this “creation of our liberal wolfpack press”, Obama to resign.He will get crushed in November and not even his elite pals in our liberal wolfpack press, elite Hollywood, and elite college professors can save him.But we are all sure they will all push Obama with the same great propaganda that they’ve used to prop and promote him to date…….sad.

  • nonwhite female

    ZZim & Lemont Harris,Cheers to you for being logical and seeing beyond the issues into the deeper more pervasive truth.Dear nonwhite female protester:And if the rest of women take the time to think about it- the answer will be the same.

  • Rob

    Jacques said: “It is only a pathetic, ignorant soul who believes that the American people are so shallow to conclude the guilt of a candidate just by what someone else says or does.”Well, Jacques, I guess you can count me as one of the “pathetic, ignorant souls”. Mama always said, “Birds of a feather flock together.”Obama will NEVER get my vote. Hillary is looking better and better!

  • Elaine

    Whether it’s Senator’s Hillary RFK remark or a pastor – both comments were wrong. Obama didn’t hold this against Hillary and I’m sure she won’t hold the pastor’s remark against Obama. After all, he didn’t say the words…

  • Amazed by the MSM

    This is absurd! Why is that Geraldine Ferraro (and Bill Clinton HIMSELF) can say Barack Obama is only winning because he is black, but a WHITE associate of Obama says something about Hillary and all you MSM pundits point the finger at him.You people ARE the problem. You love stoking the fire to get people upset about race. I didn’t see an article about John Hagee’s antisemitic rants about Hitler and jews. I guess that wasn’t important enough to mention…

  • Amazed by the MSM

    This is absurd! Why is that Geraldine Ferraro (and Bill Clinton HIMSELF) can say Barack Obama is only winning because he is black, but a WHITE associate of Obama says something about Hillary and all you MSM pundits point the finger at him.You people ARE the problem. You love stoking the fire to get people upset about race. I didn’t see an article about John Hagee’s antisemitic rants about Hitler and jews. I guess that wasn’t important enough to mention…

  • D. Rodriguez

    Religious people need to stay out of politics. PERIOD! No mixing of church and state. If they want to speak out on issues, fine- but not endorsing political candidates. If they do, they should fear losing their tax-exempt status. Religion and politics DO NOT MIX!!!!

  • groingo

    Another WACKO in Obama’s closet, I’ll bet sometime soon we hear from Jimmy Hoofa who is probably related to Obama

  • Elaine

    Whether it’s Senator’s Hillary RFK remark or a pastor – both comments were wrong. Obama didn’t hold this against Hillary and I’m sure she won’t hold the pastor’s remark against Obama. After all, he didn’t say the words…

  • Cristancho

    A bunch of bologna. This church sounds like the most exciting church in the nation, I don’t see why anyone would get offended by these last comments. As far a Reverend Wright “on the money”, just goes to show you how mindlessly patriotic our country has become. A mass of drones, ready to back any policy and wear the lapel pin without questioning.

  • Chris

    “I sincerely hope the masses of American people are too intelligent to be baited into voting or not voting for a candidate based on what a third party said and in some cases a fourth party”They’re not. Trust me. Look at these comments. We’re still infested with white racist hatemongers who refuse to take the time to become informed.

  • Jazziette Devereaux

    After reading this article I am once again reminded of why I have become more spiritual than religious.God, himself, would be crucified by the Press if he were to run for President.I heard very recently that God is a big fat black lady! Do you have any proof this is not true?At the very least we are reminded here that the KKK is still ALIVE and SICK!

  • dtown

    obama and his people are so unpatriotic it’s not even funny, yet yall are so bent on voting on him

  • Robert Dashiell

    Enough is enough! Wrapping every word uttered by either candidate or “advisor” in the flag and parading it around as a measure of patriotism is precisely the kind of nonsense this country no longer needs or can afford. It is those who engage it this charade that are attempting to achieve the very outcome they protest!

  • emmers

    I think everyone should YouTube a service at his/her church, and post it for others to analyze, so the general public can determine who is/isn’t a racist by what a preacher says.Maybe it’s just time for people to avoid church????

  • marilyn

    Oh stop your whining why don’t you? It’s about time that somebody white told the truth about white entitlement and superiority. Hillary Clinton’s campaign is all about white priviledge. She thinks she is entitled to the nomination because she feels superior to Obama. When I saw her crying in New Hampshire, I felt the same as Father Pfleger. If you read between the lines her phony comments had white superiority written all over them. Her campaign as of late has done nothing but appeal to the so-called white uneducated voters. Why were’nt more white people of good will up in arms about her divisive strategy? She’s conducted one of the most race based campaigns in recent memory. Most blacks have been quiet about it because we want Obama to win so badly we don’t want to be accused of played the race card. Thank you Father Pfleger, you said what a lot of us were thinking and should have been saying.

  • herzliebster

    It’s not a question of right and left. It’s a question of WHAT COMES OVER PEOPLE in the pulpit at Trinity UCC that they think they get to mock everybody and anybody, and that this has anything to do with the Gospel?And what comes over the people in the pews, that they are STANDING UP AND LAUGHING AND CHEERING as a PRIEST makes PUBLIC FUN of a fellow human being, whoever s/he is and whatever s/he stands for????I am (and will remain) an Obama supporter, but what is the matter with these people? And haven’t they begun to realize that they can’t hold these cathartic rituals in private, because the world is watching?

  • Chris

    During the Louisiana-governor election contest between David Duke the racist and Edwin Edwards the crook, there were bumper stickers that read “Vote for the crook, it’s important.” As a voter in the upcoming presidential election, I will apparently get to choose between an inexperienced young snob and an old warrior. This middle-aged Democrat will certainly give McCain a close look before deciding. And I’m not even bitter, except about know-it-alls who confuse intellect with wisdom.

  • folu

    I think you should look for a better issue to write on Mr Jacques,you seems to enjoy dwelling on this kind of irrevelant topics.

  • marilyn

    Oh stop your whining why don’t you? It’s about time that somebody white told the truth about white entitlement and superiority. Hillary Clinton’s campaign is all about white priviledge. She thinks she is entitled to the nomination because she feels superior to Obama. When I saw her crying in New Hampshire, I felt the same as Father Pfleger. If you read between the lines her phony comments had white superiority written all over them. Her campaign as of late has done nothing but appeal to the so-called white uneducated voters. Why were’nt more white people of good will up in arms about her divisive strategy? She’s conducted one of the most race based campaigns in recent memory. Most blacks have been quiet about it because we want Obama to win so badly we don’t want to be accused of played the race card. Thank you Father Pfleger, you said what a lot of us were thinking and should have been saying.

  • Kristie

    This is a bunch of mess!!!!!!!!! The elections this year is just turning into a big huge CIRCUS!!!! Somebody is going to have to grow up or we are going to be in for another rough 4 years!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    he is a racist, the is an election about race,

  • FoTed

    Why is Senator Obama at all responsible for what some Catholic priest said? The whole blame Obama for Rev Wright saga was an outrageous media created circus, this is a media created absurdity! Why do the negative things said by associates of Obama get more play than the lies and divisive statements made by candidate Clinton herself? Why can she walk away from talking about Bosnian snipers, assassination and hardworking, white American and her associates can talk about Obama’s coalition of “egg-heads and African-Americans” without the media even noticing or criticizing it? Will someone ask Geraldine Ferraro where Hillary would be now if her name was Hillary Smith or Hillary Jones? Would she have won her senate seat or be in the running for the Presidency? She did feel entitled, not because she’s white, but because she thinks she’s extra-special. She ran a poor campaign, without bothering to understand the rules, because she felt it wasn’t necessary for the chosen one. Now that she’s learned the truth, and understands the rules, she wants to either change them or ignore them, another sign or entitlement. Much like President Bush, Sen Clinton will selectively interpret rules (laws) or just ignore them when it suits her. If she is that way as a candidate, she will be just like that as president!

  • Bill Rush

    The best way to end this is to elect Senator Barack Obama president. He can then worship at a church in Washington D.C. People in the media won’t have to write about it anymore, and the rest of us won’t have to hear about it.

  • groingo

    Obama, not such a good judge of character, always feels he has to go into long explanations to defend himself, always changing positions…enough.

  • cynical

    hey, i have two really good friends that i have known for 10+ years (which is a third of my life). we still keep in contact regularly, and if they needed me for anything, i would be there to help them in a heartbeat.it’s a good thing i’m not running for president in 2008. i may have a good job & work ethic, and have never even smoked a cigarette in my life, but i guess i’d be a worthless, unemployed, irresponsible junkie by default…aren’t you guys really reaching now? hello, aren’t gas prices, an unjust war, a worn out infrastructure, the credit crunch/mortgage crisis and usury of the futures traders on wall street a little more important that what someone who is not running for office said? that goes for wright, hagee, this guy, and whoever else you manufacture into an “important issue”. if americans were still falling for everything you media hacks spewed forth, bush would still have post 9/11 approval ratings. give it a rest already…

  • marilyn

    Oh stop your whining why don’t you? It’s about time that somebody white told the truth about white entitlement and superiority. Hillary Clinton’s campaign is all about white priviledge. She thinks she is entitled to the nomination because she feels superior to Obama. When I saw her crying in New Hampshire, I felt the same as Father Pfleger. If you read between the lines her phony comments had white superiority written all over them. Her campaign as of late has done nothing but appeal to the so-called white uneducated voters. Why were’nt more white people of good will up in arms about her divisive strategy? She’s conducted one of the most race based campaigns in recent memory. Most blacks have been quiet about it because we want Obama to win so badly we don’t want to be accused of played the race card. Thank you Father Pfleger, you said what a lot of us were thinking and should have been saying.

  • cynical

    hey, i have two really good friends that i have known for 10+ years (which is a third of my life). we still keep in contact regularly, and if they needed me for anything, i would be there to help them in a heartbeat.it’s a good thing i’m not running for president in 2008. i may have a good job & work ethic, and have never even smoked a cigarette in my life, but i guess i’d be a worthless, unemployed, irresponsible junkie by default…aren’t you guys really reaching now? hello, aren’t gas prices, an unjust war, a worn out infrastructure, the credit crunch/mortgage crisis and usury of the futures traders on wall street a little more important that what someone who is not running for office said? that goes for wright, hagee, this guy, and whoever else you manufacture into an “important issue”. if americans were still falling for everything you media hacks spewed forth, bush would still have post 9/11 approval ratings. give it a rest already…

  • Tom Boston

    Unfortunate for Obama, who’s already in trouble with gays and women. Calling female reporters “Sweetie” and endorsing gay-hating speakers at his rally have cast Barack as an intolerant black male.

  • bdplaid

    My God (pun intented)what a hypocrisy! The political left has always been incensed over any connection between those in office with religeon. This especially includes Democrats, who have been so intent on ensuring that all vestiges of religion are removed from the public square that they will not even allow Christ-based Christmas decoration (for whom the holiday is named, after all), nor will they allow examples of the Ten Commandments to appear in courts, despite the fact that our entire legal system is based on those. Many consider Moses, a Jew, as “the lawgiver.” So now, doesn’t anyone find it curious that a Democratic Presidential candidate running on the far political left is not only shown to be a religious man with a longstanding memebership in a church, but that church fosters and promotes fringe and hateful ideas as well? This is just another example of the double-standard from liberals, and why they are to be avoided. They make no rational sense.

  • Erndog

    I abhor the phrase, “It is what it is”. However in the case of Obama’s church this phrase is most apt. Anyone standing in it’s pulpit spewing a mix of entitlement/political/racist/ babble in the name of Christianity will be forever linked to Obama no matter how many denunciations he makes. He made the choice of attending a congregation that clearly tolerates, supports, encourages, fosters, and defends such looney “preaching”. Are we to be so naive as to think these are the only instances in 20 years of attendance of fringe thinking and preaching?He can denunciate away and people can defend to their dying day his RIGHT to believe and attend what he wants, but it doesn’t change the fact that he is in fellowship and was in fellowship for 20 years with a way of thinking that many Americans (black, brown, white and the rainbow) find disgusting. That can’t be changed. The die is cast. The question is whether the American people are going to roll the die on a guy that embraces this line of thinking or is unable to see how damaging and distasteful it is to the general public.

  • Miss M

    I find it fascinating that those crying “racist” are those posting the most racist remarks such as “WHITE AMERICA SAY NO TO RACIST OBAMA”Is “racist” new for “negro”? You can’t say the n-word but you can say racist and no one will know you’re a bigot.

  • EthicsBob

    Just another reason why all churches should lose their tax exempt status.There is no God. Just superstition and fairy-tale tellers like this one. Since they cannot keep their fairy tales to themselves and stay clear of politics, they should be taxed like everyone else.Why do we non-believers in God, or Zeus, or Apollo have to keep subsidizing, religious nut-jobs?

  • Andrew Lenarcic

    As per usual the medie is hyping everything way out of proportion. It is rediculous that we hold everything that is said by an individual as sanctimont of what the candidate is thinking. Obviously most candidates would not be dumb enough to make these types of comments on their own so we need to extrapolate their true feelings by what is said by people with whom they have any level of personal relationship with. Hopefully some of the voting public will still want to judge all of the candidates by their stated persuations rather then concevied idiologies.

  • Steve Sanchez

    This demonstrates that there is so much about Obama we do not know about. For someone who loves The United States, he certainly associates with people who do not. This further demonstrates that there is disconnect between what he says and does!

  • linda smith

    All is religion is tribal, cultish, meant to divide –in versus out, paradise or hell. It has NO place in politics or rational discussion. Every pastor says stupid, fantastical silly stuff – about virgin births, about the rapture, about being chosen, etc etc.I fail to see how these pastors are any more foolish than every snake-oil pastor I have ever seen..

  • FoTed

    Why is Senator Obama at all responsible for what some Catholic priest said? The whole blame Obama for Rev Wright saga was an outrageous media created circus, this is a media created absurdity! Why do the negative things said by associates of Obama get more play than the lies and divisive statements made by candidate Clinton herself? Why can she walk away from talking about Bosnian snipers, assassination and hardworking, white American and her associates can talk about Obama’s coalition of “egg-heads and African-Americans” without the media even noticing or criticizing it? Will someone ask Geraldine Ferraro where Hillary would be now if her name was Hillary Smith or Hillary Jones? Would she have won her senate seat or be in the running for the Presidency? She did feel entitled, not because she’s white, but because she thinks she’s extra-special. She ran a poor campaign, without bothering to understand the rules, because she felt it wasn’t necessary for the chosen one. Now that she’s learned the truth, and understands the rules, she wants to either change them or ignore them, another sign or entitlement. Much like President Bush, Sen Clinton will selectively interpret rules (laws) or just ignore them when it suits her. If she is that way as a candidate, she will be just like that as president!

  • ND

    This story has no traction. Give it a rest. As usual, you people (media) are looking for anything to boost your ratings. Jacques is doing everything in his power to make this a big big story. A big story it is not. Nothing can be as bad as Rev. Wright for Obama, and that issue has passed. This one is not going anywhere.

  • Kristie

    Now Now!! IF WE ARE GOING TO GIVE OUR OPPINIONS LETS AT LEAST BE CORRECT. ANY DUMMY KNOWS THAT HONOLULU IS A PART OF THE USA SO IF THAT IS WERE OBAMA WAS BORN HE IS ALREADY A CITIZEN AND HE HAS THE SAME RIGHT HAS ANYONE ELES THAT WANTS TO RUN. DONT BE HATERS PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT WHO “ANYBODY GETS THERE MONEY FROM” WAS IT YOU? SO DONT WORRY ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!

  • paul b

    The amazing thing here is the degree of affirmation from the congregation and pastor for Pfleger’s hideous remarks. This in conjunction with the Wright videos, proves beyond any doubt that the black church Obama was an integral part of for two decades, and specifically continues to endorse, has a high degree of divisive hatred of whites.It simply is not believable that Obama did not know of this, and his machinations to the contrary must be cynical political expediency. Hardly the idealist and unifier he puts himself up to be.

  • Allen Ridge

    It’s really ashame that our elite liberal wolfpack press, elite liberal Hollywood, and our elite liberal college professors misused their “mass communications” that are for “public” use to promote and prop up a guy that isn’t even qualified for the job he’s running for, Obama…………really sad indeed.

  • Ari ben Yehudah

    Bring on Hillary…she is untained by religious issues.

  • KYJurisDoctor

    Frankly, does ANYONE in GOOD conscience belief that Barack Obama should be held responsible for EVERYTHING ANY Pastor says?If so, then John McCain should be held responsible for what his pastors John Hagee and Rod Parsley have said.

  • KYJurisDoctor

    Frankly, does ANYONE in GOOD conscience belief that Barack Obama should be held responsible for EVERYTHING ANY Pastor says?If so, then John McCain should be held responsible for what his pastors John Hagee and Rod Parsley have said.

  • GARY RUTHERFORD

    Interesting thoughts coming from the pulpit once more. Coupled with the remarks of Fidel and other leaders of foreign nation’s such as Iran, and Hamas who have welcomed Obama vs McCain, leaves me to believe there will be much for Hillary to say and the delegates to consider.

  • tom

    religion should be banned and outlawed

  • Evelyn

    With Obama to the left of her and McCain to the right, Senator Hillary Clinton is really the best candidate left standing. I hope the super delegates–who are the ones who are deciding this race- wake up and choose Senator Clinton for various reasons:Is the Party really going to select the Male Jr. Executive with a winning smile but with the slimmest of resumes and experience over the Female Sr. Executive with a life of service to the Party and a much more substantial resume and life experience? Unbelievable and a slap in the face to many life long Women Democrats who will not fall in line…Senator Obama’s Pastor Problems and Rezko Problem and bitter comments problems will come roaring back in the general election. Come a sobering November- experience will matter to the general election voter. And the Peace and Prosperity of the Clinton Years would really help Senator Hillary Clinton win the general election

  • GARY RUTHERFORD

    Interesting thoughts coming from the pulpit once more. Coupled with the remarks of Fidel and other leaders of foreign nation’s such as Iran, and Hamas who have welcomed Obama vs McCain, leaves me to believe there will be much for Hillary to say and the delegates to consider.

  • TruAmerican

    This Obama guy is a phony, a cheater. People, remember this, Do not let the smooth talker take your heart! This Obama guy would give our country to the Islam extreamists if he became president! White people, vote your conscience. Do not just appear to be COOL by voting for a black, which seems saying “See, I have an open mind. I am not a racist because I am voting for a black guy.” Come on, people, wake up! There are many stories in human history about you getting cheated by an oily mouth!

  • The Senate and People of Rome

    Why is this so important? Judge the candidate on what the candidate says and what he stands for, not some crap that is spewed forth from the mouths of other people. I’m acquainted with people who sometimes say and think stupid things, but that does not make me a person that agrees with or supports those things. It’s really sad that so many people are just looking for the smallest reason to not vote for Obama. If you’re not going to vote for him, do it because you don’t agree with his policies, something substantial, something smart, something educated. I really feel for my country when I read some of these comments, and even comments that I hear from other people.It’s sad that so many of you will cut of your nose to spite your face just because you don’t have the capacity to think things through. There are more important issues that face our country than what some extreme clergyman spout from the pulpit.Think.

  • Lonnie

    A WHITE priest telling Hillary that she thinks she’s entitled to the presidency and is having trouble with a black man taking it from her. Interesting.

  • Paul

    While I am not willing to go so far as to call the Clintons racist. I and quite a few blacks I know did find some racial undertones to her campaign.

  • ron

    obama cannot control what wright and pfleger say but obama was there for twenty years so he new what was going on. If he did not now what was going on he is either ignorant or naive. this is a issue in the election because this is a self inflicted wound that he brought on himself.

  • The Senate and People of Rome

    TRUAMERICAN:You are neither!

  • Steve

    What the Obama apologists fail to answer is why Obama sat in the same pew for 20+ years when these types of sermons were obviously the norm. Was he one of the same laughing hyenas in the back, whooping and hollering in approval? All of Obama’s eloquent words about bringing the country together are, as Obama likes to say, “just words.”

  • Sherry Freeman

    Personally I think that White people will never accept a Black President and that’s a shame. I feel that so much has been done to hurt Obama and so much of Hilary’s hyporacy has been over looked by White’s, that he’s the first Presidenual Canadate to have such an arm guard to prevent a potential assination that frankly, I’ve no hope of believing that a Black man will EVER become president. Frankly it’s a shame that this is a Christian Blogg and the only thing that any of us can talk about is how Obama is related to this as apposed to addressing the racial inequalities that seem to still plague or churchs. It honestly makes me sick and I’m disappointed in White Christians.

  • Peter Roach

    Folks, this speech feeds the fires of segregation.

  • Janet

    We have the nations first 2 strong democratic candidates. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. One female and one African-American. We can always have another African-American candidate but we won’t ever have another female candidate that is as experienced and intelligent as Hillary. Who better to take care of the motherland American than a woman. Race is not the issue, it’s the gender race, woman versus man.

  • Fuji

    Are there no so-called progressives here who are outraged by Pfleger’s descipable stepinfetchit shuffling routine? No?Didn’t think so.

  • j diatte

    From personal experience I would say that black people hate white people.The demands that our leaders (ha ha) that the nomination be stopped is ridiculous. It should go to the convention.OR IS THIS A HORSE SHOE NOMINATION. (CLOSE IS GODD ENOUGH)?

  • Roger Bruce Feinman

    No matter what their religious or political persuasion, decent, self-possessed, self-respecting people ought to be embarrassed and ashamed by Father Pflegers vile and hate-fueled demonstration — and no less so by the exultant reaction his “sermon” received from the TUCC congregation. Constitutionally incapable of allowing Clinton any measure of face-saving or a graceful exit, these people would cement their triumph by burning her at the stake. This is not acceptable conduct, whether inside a house of worship or anywhere else. Obama would do well to personally express his regrets to all three Clintons.

  • Janet

    We have the nations first 2 strong democratic candidates. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. One female and one African-American. We can always have another African-American candidate but we won’t ever have another female candidate that is as experienced and intelligent as Hillary. Who better to take care of the motherland American than a woman. Race is not the issue, it’s the gender race, woman versus man.

  • R Peters

    This is a truly stupid article. The priest in question is not Obama’s “new pastor”. Get over it. Obama did not hire the guy or ask him to give the sermon. Nor was he present.What gets into some of you columnists? Perhaps you have too much time on your hands.

  • Joan Grissom

    I don’t understand the anger of the religious that rally around Obama. I am R. Catholic and this “priest” does not reflect the teachings of my church. A vote for Obama is a vote for marxism and potentially, race riots.

  • rosaline hayes

    Yeal, these same White Blue-Collar voters who, according to a Newsweek poll, conducted on May 27, said race was important! Most Important – 14% Important 20%. Why does the media not make a big deal out of the fact that there are racist people out there, that will not vote for Barack, BECAUSE he is black? This white man, who was a guest speaker, spoke the truth! Hillary does feel she’s “entitled” to the presidency because she is white and because she is married to a former president, the almighty, Bill Clinton. Op-Ed’s have been writing about her feelings of ‘entitlement” for months. Black Barack Obama, did, indeed, sneak-up on her. Her, racist “hard working whites” comment and Bill’s “us vs. they” messages confirms the white superiority stance. Get your heads out of the sand, people, racism is alive and well in this country, even though the media wants to portray that all the hate is coming from Barack Obama.

  • warren

    Why is no media attention given in this matter to the speech Hillary gave mocking Obama speeches? It is on the same plane. She has gotten of scot free in this matter.

  • perspective

    Give the poor priest a break – he was just pandering, without considering the fact that pandering to specific populations has now become a deadly pastime – Oh how quickly things change!So the man is slightly behind the curve of currently accepted political tactics – unfortunately at the wrong time and definitely in the wrong place. Being a democrat, it’s disconcerting and even disheartening to see democrats continue to do stupid and impulsive things regarding race and gender issues, sabotaging their own campaign efforts – while the GOP stands idly by enjoying the spectacle. Classic self-destructive egocentric behavior that we’ve seen all too often with this party.It kind of reminds an aging non-golfer of Greg Norman at the Masters – every time he had it sewed up he’d clutch and blow it at the end with a few well placed bogies…no green jacket for Greg. Is this what’s going on with the dems now, one might ask?

  • A white woman wishing we could all just get along

    This is not news. All of the uproar that will follow this stupid remark by a white man will be the same as we read in these comments — the racist reflection of people who wouldn’t vote for a black man anyway, leaping to find an excuse to call HIM racist because someone he knows made a remark. I am as sick of white people telling me not to vote for Obama because he is a secret racist as I am of women telling me I should vote for Clinton because a woman deserves to be president ahead of yet another man, black or otherwise (while I do suspect black is probably to the back of the bus in these equations of who is entitled to be president). Can’t we all just get along and focus on what the candidates say and how they live their own lives, their views of the issues we face as a country and how these candidates plan to address them? Look at Obama’s entire life — try to find one radical moment that reflects badly on him, that he himself is responsible for, that suggests he is anything but a half black, half white man living in a split world that is just like his own ethnic heritage, and trying to bring unity and peace to that world. As to Hillary’s tears stemming from being crushed because she was losing (to a green man, a blue woman or anyone else) even the right wing Fox and most other news channels found ways to call them fake, manipulate, and/or representing her disappointment that her entitlement to the presidency was getting blown — and yes, factually, by a black man. I hated all those remarks — all of them inherently gender discrimatory views, trying to reinforce our notion that a woman cries too often when disappointed, or manipulates with tears (what, she had onions up her sleeve?) and therefore most likely just another girl not strong enough to be a president. The secret agenda of all of these views is that you all would really have preferred the Dems put up a nice, white man instead of the two wonderful candidates we have.

  • Evan

    When will Obama distanced himself from this church?

  • Jim T.

    It is truly comical to watch some people attempt to play this guilt by association game. Despite the harping of the anti-Obama forces Indiana was a lot closer than expected and the people of North Carolina absolutely rejected that Rev. Wright guilt by association nonsense. What is truly unfortunate are the amount of tragically uninformed people that actually believe this preacher is represents Obama in any form or fashion. This discussion is the equivalent of a town hall meeting to try and find something to be angry about in order to justify your negative opinions.

  • Patty

    I am having a concern beyond these Priest’s comments which I found those personally deplorable and vile. But even more troubling than hearing those are seeing the comments here of Obama supporters who feel it is totally acceptable to hold sentiments like this and express them in a place of worship and watch people clapping laughing and cheering him on because it is anti Clinton and their undieing need and compulsion to dismiss anything that their “American Idol” might do or be associated with that removes the halo from around his head and places him back on earth with all the rest of the candidates. This Priest Pfleger has been friends of Obama since 1985 and has worked with Obama that long in his community service work. He has donated to Obama’s campaign and Obama has had legislative money directed his way as well. This s NOT just a passing acquaintance but another longtime friend who he has worked with closely for the same length of time as Wright. Obama had this man flown out to participate in a faith conference Obama put on and discussed with him the uninvitation of Wright at Obama’s presidential announcement. Please, when does the time come that ALL people are held responsible in some fashion for the friends they have and keep for 20+yrs., who they use as part of their campaign until they mess up and then WHAM!!- they are scrubbed off their website to avoid further damage and then made to appear as if their relevance to him was never that important anyway? Sorry, but this will be another troubling instance to many and cannot be swept under the rug simply because it is “Obama”.

  • perspective

    Give the poor priest a break – he was just pandering, without considering the fact that pandering to specific populations has now become a deadly pastime – Oh how quickly things change!So the man is slightly behind the curve of currently accepted political tactics – unfortunately at the wrong time and definitely in the wrong place. Being a democrat, it’s disconcerting and even disheartening to see democrats continue to do stupid and impulsive things regarding race and gender issues, sabotaging their own campaign efforts – while the GOP stands idly by enjoying the spectacle. Classic self-destructive egocentric behavior that we’ve seen all too often with this party.It kind of reminds an aging non-golfer of Greg Norman at the Masters – every time he had it sewed up he’d clutch and blow it at the end with a few well placed bogies…no green jacket for Greg. Is this what’s going on with the dems now, one might ask?

  • ros

    Yeal, these same White Blue-Collar voters who, according to a Newsweek poll, conducted on May 27, said race was important! Most Important – 14% Important 20%. Why does the media not make a big deal out of the fact that there are racist people out there, that will not vote for Barack, BECAUSE he is black? This white man, who was a guest speaker, spoke the truth! Hillary does feel she’s “entitled” to the presidency because she is white and because she is married to a former president, the almighty, Bill Clinton. Op-Ed’s have been writing about her feelings of ‘entitlement” for months. Black Barack Obama, did, indeed, sneak-up on her. Her, racist “hard working whites” comment and Bill’s “us vs. they” messages confirms the white superiority stance. Get your heads out of the sand, people, racism is alive and well in this country, even though the media wants to portray that all the hate is coming from Barack Obama.

  • Jazziette Devereaux

    Guess what Jacques! I hear there’s a youtube video about to break with YOU picking your NOSE while typing this article on your KEYBOARD!!!OMG!!! HOW disgusting!Now THERE’S something newsworthy!!!For Shame!!!!! :(

  • rayj

    Please don’t be deceived. All of this hoopla about Obama and this priest is simply meant to discredit the first viable Black Candidate for the presidency. Religion within itself is divisive. For instance, John McCain is Baptist, Southern Baptist to be exact. Southern Baptists believe that all persons who aren’t Christians are going to hell. That is divisive considering the president has to truly care and work for ALL Americans. How is that any less an issue than this catholic priest.

  • ignatzh

    Here’s the subtext to this whole bout of nonsense and distraction concerning the religious lives of candidates: we need to somehow discontinue the role that religion plays in politics in this country. As a non-monotheist, words can not describe how sick I am of all this religious inerpolation into secular affairs, and how much of a distraction it is from real issues that should be discussed.

  • Kerrick

    Will it take Farrakhan preaching at Trinity Church for Obama to leave?

  • Arthur Gittleman

    Don’t we get alittle tired of this pastor business. Why do we care what they say. A few times I have heard that the jews killed jesus. This has nothing to do with someone running for president unless this is Germany and Hitler is running.

  • Linda in Houston

    Unfortunately, this type of behavior occurs more often then it should in black churches, where you have the minister playing the part of comedian. Rarely, however do you find a minister to use the word damn in church, or talking about any presidential candidate by name, black or white; they usually show more political acumen than to name someone. I think these are people who love the spotlight and although they claim to be friends of Obama, they are using his fame as a flashlight on their own need for a spotlight and they obviously don’t care if it is good attention for themselves or for the church, or for Obama.

  • melanie

    After reading some of the remarks to this, all I can say is that we are indeed in sad shape as a nation. One response by “TrueAmerican” is still trying to promote the fear element that has divided our nation. What are you so afraid of? An educated, articulate man that understands the need to build bridges with other countries? Or are you happy with the threat of terrorism? Bush’s lone ranger attitude has hurt this country in so many ways. Racism is still rampant in this country. Racism is perpetuated through our laws and other systems, such as the media. Those of you that are too scared to see the white entitlement that is and has been rampant in this country are so unaware and asleep to the system that are in place to oppress all of us, including the working class. Open your eyes to the fear that people like “TrueAmerican” are spreading. Say enough already! Let’s learn from history. Every great nation that has tried to rule from fear and tyranny has fallen. Don’t let it happen to the U.S. Don’t remain silent and keep the status quo going. We are one nation, not lots of little nations depending on ones color of skin, religion, socio-economic level. Let’s unite together as one nation!Yes, We Can!

  • Baruch

    This is all red herring nonsense. The real issues are american imperialism and warmongering, and how much money the politicians (McCain, Clinton, Bush, Cheney et al) are making from the occupation of Iraq.

  • Brent Mack

    Hey, I’ve got a novel idea! WHO CARES???My God (no pun intended), this country has the most significant challenges in front of it that it has faced in decades – and some loser (HRC or McCain) is pushing this thoroughly irrelevant video?Get off of it and let’s start acting like adults.If you want to see some real wackos – cue up a video of some snake-handlers. By the way – they vote Republican!

  • Linda in Houston

    Unfortunately, this type of behavior occurs more often then it should in black churches, where you have the minister playing the part of comedian. Rarely, however do you find a minister to use the word damn in church, or talking about any presidential candidate by name, black or white; they usually show more political acumen than to name someone. I think these are people who love the spotlight and although they claim to be friends of Obama, they are using his fame as a flashlight on their own need for a spotlight and they obviously don’t care if it is good attention for themselves or for the church, or for Obama.

  • Lady G

    Everyone knows this is just what Hillary and Bill are sitting back waiting for, something bad to happen to Obama so she can declare herself a winner! This is the reason Hillary is staying in the race, praying and hoping for a good Scandal against Obama so everyone can turn to her. The new pastor hurt Hillary feelings, but I guess the truth does hurt! Stop whinning and crying Hillary and get some help for your Bipolar! Using your own words, if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen! It would be a cold day in H– before I would vote for Hillary!

  • Josh in Seattle

    I like how people are acting so offended about this. I do feel that Hillary has an extreme sense of entitlement. The GOP supporters want to take Obama down. They will say anything.. example:Obama Presidency Will Set Race Relations Back :amused:PGR88:Blah Blah Blah… Im so Offended! This proves every negative thing I thought about Obama! If not Hillary then McCain! Dont believe the artificial offense.

  • L. Peterson

    Ah come on now. Lets just acknowledge the big elephant in the room. Truth be it, there are still some resentments between blacks and whites. I am an educated white middle class woman who is just absolutely refreshed by Mr. Obama. I hope it brings all these racial problems out in the open so this country can FINALLY heal and we can work through it and work together towards the serious issues facing this country. I think a lot of this constant nonsense is to drum up fear, fear that Mr. Obama has some hidden racial agenda. If these two religious men are the worst we can “Dig up” on the man then Hey, he still has my vote. How many incentives from special interests groups have the other candidates been involved with? Are they going to sell more of our hard earned dollar and nation to China or the Saudi’s? I for one want to see what this young man can do, it can’t be worst then what we have had for the past 24 years. Look at it this way. If you were the first black president of the United States wouldn’t you want to leave an amazing legacy for future generations and all America? I sure would. I sure wouldn’t go into the Presidency of the United States and start a race war or screw it up so bad that future generations of black politicians will have an even harder time getting elected…come on people use your brains. Mr. Obama has a lot of pressure on him to be one of the greatest presidents of our nation. Seems like a bet I am ready and willing to take.

  • jac

    What a damn shame the American people can not see the hatred Obama has been exposed to for the last 20 years. This man is either does not who to associate with or he is hiding alot. Why are we putting up with all this and what is going to come next. How dare these people act in the manner they are displaying. They are not just making fun of Hillary they were making fun of all white people. But lets all keep supporting this guy.

  • Steve Anderson

    Sorry, I have no idea about what makes Mr. Berlinerblau tick, but why the penchant to call Hillary’s critics “leftist” partisans? Left, right or center, many Americans were turned off by the “inevitable” line that was pushed by her campaign manager Mark Penn at the beginning of the race. People don’t like having candidates shoved down their throats. Or candidates who feel they are “entitled” to their position,What’s so “leftist” about that?? Steve Anderson

  • Cryos

    Sigh I feel sorry for racists for Marilyn. Fortunately an increasing number of people of all races are seeing through the hypocritical bigots who think that racism only applies to certain races.Those who always want to blame Bush for China I respect your opinion but I would ask you to look further back in the economy. Remember the big dotcom bubble back in the 90s? In my opinion the “good economy” of the 90s was a sham that was the primer for China and India’s explosive growth. The “good economy” was nothing but consumerism much of it at the cost of capital. China put a lot of money towards democratic candidates particularly Clinton. If you research things such as Clinton’s involvement in China satellite launches and Clinton’s asian campaign fundraising etc I think you would find some interesting reputable sources.

  • Lee

    Obama chose to spend 20 years listening to Wright, who visited Mumar Kadafi with Louis Farakan. Obama gets endorsements from Farakan, Pfleger, Hugo Chavez, Hamas, Ahmadinajad, Castro … and, some people still say “Poor Obama is the victim”??? The Clinton’s gave service in the White House, which provided our country with peace and prosperity for 8 years. What has Obama and his supporters done for this country??? McCain, was tortured for 5 years defending this country. What has Obama and his supporters done for this country? Pfleger says the whites have a sense of entitlement, but then he says America has to pay the price to people of color, for things that happened 100 years ago … so, who has the expectation of entitlement??? I say … elect either Clinton, or McCain for ’08 !!!

  • gary

    First of all, there is the problem of guilt by association. If Mr. Obama has been a long time member of this “church” and associate of people such as these two pastors, then it is only logical to question his real beliefs regardless of his “political” talk. Second, one has to wonder why Mr. Obama identifies himself as African-American. Acording to what I have read, his mother was 100% white and his father was mostly Arab. How does that make him black? Did he “adopt” this persona as a political convenience? Third, the real question should be – What has he done? Mrs. Clinton’s and Mr. McCain’s accomplishments and endeavors are a matter of public record. What has Mr. Obama accomplished in his political life? Since being elected to the US Senate all he seems to have done is run for President! Ideas are one thing, having the experience to execute them is another.

  • ron

    obama cannot control what wright and pfleger say but obama was there for twenty years so he new what was going on. If he did not now what was going on he is either ignorant or naive. this is a issue in the election because this is a self inflicted wound that he brought on himself.

  • carol

    This is sooo tiresome – stop the smear by association gambit. Both women and Americans are smarter than to fall for the crucify-by-preacher bit . That line of reasoning would hold every Catholic guilty for the molestation by a priest in his church.

  • Lee

    Obama chose to spend 20 years listening to Wright, who visited Mumar Kadafi with Louis Farakan. Obama gets endorsements from Farakan, Pfleger, Hugo Chavez, Hamas, Ahmadinajad, Castro … and, some people still say “Poor Obama is the victim”??? The Clinton’s gave service in the White House, which provided our country with peace and prosperity for 8 years. What has Obama and his supporters done for this country??? McCain, was tortured for 5 years defending this country. What has Obama and his supporters done for this country? Pfleger says the whites have a sense of entitlement, but then he says America has to pay the price to people of color, for things that happened 100 years ago … so, who has the expectation of entitlement??? I say … elect either Clinton, or McCain for ’08 !!!

  • Terry Haywood

    What strikes me about reporting on this matter is how much time the press spends looking for stories to discredit both candidates character, and how little time they spend reporting about their policy differences. The nation is going to hell in a handbasket and little is being reported about what each candidate can do to save the nation from its fall from world prominence. If history serves the press in any way it should be to exercise sound judgement. This was the same type of reporting that allowed the Bush Administration to sell the American people a bill of good about why we should go to war with Iraq. Had the press spent time reporting the facts, and exercising sound judgement – members of the fourth estate are expected to possess – then possibily, the nation wouldn’t be in the prediciment it is in in Iraq. Please, wakeup and smell the coffee.

  • leonard

    Is there not one, I mean any man or woman of the cloth that can simply just preach the word of God without getting so involved into politics. I’m now over 61 and I’ve been able to live throuh and see so many sad things in my life from the Vietnam war, the death of Jack Kennedy, Bobby, Martin Luther, the first gulf war and now the current war. I’ve see so many coorupt administrations come and go but the current one for me takes the cake and it scares the “H” out of me. I’ve also been able to see the good in man during this same time and continue to hope for better. Hillary scares me, she seems to me to be too much like the current President but she does not scare me as much as McCain. For me, even with the B.S. we hear from the so called friends of Obama, I’m still willing to put my money and VOTE with him. That I believe is true faith but we all have to make the best choice we can for ourselves.Good luck to all of us in the world.

  • IBMWorst

    Are the Catholic priests still molesting little boys?I’ve been a Catholic all of my life and don’t identify with horrific crimes commited by priests and mafia. Separation of church and state.When the pastor spoke about dysfunctional Hillary and Billy (HillBilly) Clinton greed in using Our White House as their personal play space, then what is the problem.Hillary hasn’t earned the right to be president.Hillary is a carpetbagger who hasn’t earned the right of being the Senator of New York (where she has no connection).Acknowledge truth for a change, so that Europe and the World won’t perceive you as spoil idiots led by a C- student in the White House.

  • joshua

    Preachers ought to be reminded that the pulpit is a place for worshipping God, not issuing political tirades and endorsements.

  • Terry Haywood

    What strikes me about reporting on this matter is how much time the press spends looking for stories to discredit both candidates character, and how little time they spend reporting about their policy differences. The nation is going to hell in a handbasket and little is being reported about what each candidate can do to save the nation from its fall from world prominence. If history serves the press in any way it should be to exercise sound judgement. This was the same type of reporting that allowed the Bush Administration to sell the American people a bill of good about why we should go to war with Iraq. Had the press spent time reporting the facts, and exercising sound judgement – members of the fourth estate are expected to possess – then possibily, the nation wouldn’t be in the prediciment it is in in Iraq. Please, wakeup and smell the coffee.

  • ted in pdx

    I think this is a tragedy. I also think your commentary was entirely fair. I am certain that the folks at Obama’s church are being overwhelmed by the temptation to pick off their 15-minutes of fame at his expense. Likewise, even though it makes no sense whatsoever, there is no denying that there are plenty of voters in this country subliminally looking for an excuse to make Obama ineligible for their vote, regardless of the merits.I don’t believe Obama is the savior who will solve all our problems. I do however, recognize a structurally corrupt government when I see it, and a corrupt psycho-pathology (in the person of Hillary Clinton) when I see it. I’m skeptical that John McCain would do much good as President (and I’m a Republican by the way), but I believe Hillary Clinton could be a worse disaster for this country than George W. Bush has been, and that’s saying something. On the other hand, if we get a chance to endorse someone who’s never really been an insider, and who appears to be driven more by his ideals than his personal ambition, perhaps we can provide a mandate for altering some of the basically corrupt paradigms which are inexorably destroying this country, and will continue to do so as long as we allow them to.For what it’s worth, one change I would like to see is a Constitutional amendment requiring Congress to get a majority of state legislatures to ratify budget deficits by line-item. The amendment would tie increases in the debt ceilingThis is a very simple concept, which would have several important effects: first, it would significantly moderate the influence of lobbyists because it would prevent them from gaining fixed commitments from members of Congress for discretionary spending. (In effect, it would decentralize the lobby.) It would guarantee a much higher level of transparency. Finally, it would make it much more painful for the federal government to continue to fund itself using what amount to ‘cash advances’ on the national credit card.As it stands now, the single most important mechanism of our democracy (the power of the purse) has been suspended by Congress because they have decided it is just too painful to reconcile what they want to do with what their constituents are willing to support. Hence, to a large degree, we no longer have a democracy. Unfortunately, since our media reduces everything to a ‘talking point’, this process (which I would compare to a person slowing bleeding to death) is allowed to continue.As difficult as it might be to enact something of this nature, the only way I can see it coming to pass is as part of a mandate for change such as the one which seems to be driving Obama’s success. These self-indulgent, thoughtless people who have stepped up to his pulpit (in a sense) are well along the way towards destroying even the slim chance that we as a nation can change our course for the better.

  • rlamb

    I am beyond saddened. It ties my gut up in knots to think that Obama might be our next president. He is not a “unifier” in any way, any more than he is experienced in international affairs or any of the other sweeping claims he makes. This man seems to attract people of a frightening political persuasion. True, Obama, himself, is not making these divisive, racist, sexist, bigoted statements, but a pattern has developed linking him to too many people who espouse such attitudes and loudly trumpet them in public forums.

  • leonard

    Is there not one, I mean any man or woman of the cloth that can simply just preach the word of God without getting so involved into politics. I’m now over 61 and I’ve been able to live throuh and see so many sad things in my life from the Vietnam war, the death of Jack Kennedy, Bobby, Martin Luther, the first gulf war and now the current war. I’ve see so many coorupt administrations come and go but the current one for me takes the cake and it scares the “H” out of me. I’ve also been able to see the good in man during this same time and continue to hope for better. Hillary scares me, she seems to me to be too much like the current President but she does not scare me as much as McCain. For me, even with the B.S. we hear from the so called friends of Obama, I’m still willing to put my money and VOTE with him. That I believe is true faith but we all have to make the best choice we can for ourselves.Good luck to all of us in the world.

  • Pete Kusnick

    Mocking Hillary? Oh puhleeeezzze. She mocks herself. Bill’s a ball breaker when he’s not getting sum. Since when does your congregational leader speak for you? How ’bout the guy you’re sitting next to on the train? Maybe your neighbor? Or your girlfriend. Let

  • PGR88

    One more time. Obama says Pfleger is his “spiritual compass.” What does that tell us about Obama? Are Obamanuts so deluded they can’t connect the dots?

  • D. Otto

    What about all of those who will vote for Obama precisely because he is a black man and who would not vote for him if he were an asain man – are they racists or can’t black people, by definition be racist?Racism is not an exclusive trait of white skined people.

  • P. Ami

    I can’t say these remarks bother me as I hope Obama and his people keep saying what is clearly in the hearts of many in the Obama camp. Even if Obama himself is understanding enough to keep that sort of sentiment from his heart, I don’t like that so many of his friends, advisers and various associates do think this way. The greater problem is when Obama makes statements such as, “It’s not going to be easy to get the drug companies to give up their profits”, or his other statement regarding America’s use of food and energy and how the world feels about us keeping our homes at 72 degrees. We have never had a serious “black” candidate for president of our country. I do believe he is also the first candidate for president whose statements and writings imply that he want to lessen rather then expand our comforts, slow our economy and steal the opportunities from our land.

  • Guilt by association is a sign of desperation

    Sorry anti-Obama forces but that dog won’t hunt. In fact that dog had it’s 15 minutes of fame and died during the Indiana and North Carolina primaries. It is funny how we never here the person who says I will not vote for Obama because I disagree with his policies. Everyone here can respect that. The loudest empty cans in the room are the ones either screaming racism because a pastor at his church said something crazy or they are showing their lack of knowledge about symbolism to attack Obama’s patriotism. Patriotism requires service and sacrifice which is what US senators do everyday while Symbolism requires nothing but flag worship and flag pin wearing. Basically this is a forum for anti-Obama forces to MSU or make stuff up to be angry about in order to justify their opinions. Not liking his policies is one thing but to hang your hat on guilt by association just shows your lack of judgement and integrity.

  • Alejo Montalva

    Any religion or pastor that tried to be envolve with worldly affairs become part of the Worldly affairs that are in the hands of the Devil, yes Satan itself is the one promotting wars in the world becauise he control the world, the goverments, the military and all the human trash who don reconice the True God and Jesus > Jesus said He was no part of this world and so his true disciples, the that are involved in politics are Satan followers..Sorry george you are one of them.

  • D. Otto

    What about all of those who will vote for Obama precisely because he is a black man and who would not vote for him if he were an asain man – are they racists or can’t balck people, by definition be racist?Racism is not an exclusive trait of white skined people.

  • D. Otto

    What about all of those who will vote for Obama precisely because he is a black man and who would not vote for him if he were an asain man – are they racists or can’t black people, by definition be racist?Racism is not an exclusive trait of white skined people.

  • Alejo Montalva

    Any religion or pastor that tried to be envolve with worldly affairs become part of the Worldly affairs that are in the hands of the Devil, yes Satan itself is the one promotting wars in the world becauise he control the world, the goverments, the military and all the human trash who don reconice the True God and Jesus > Jesus said He was no part of this world and so his true disciples, the that are involved in politics are Satan followers..Sorry george you are one of them.

  • Cryos

    Ted I agree with a lot of what you say but it appears you haven’t done your research on Obama. Search on Obama UBS and things of that nature. For the “outsider” who “doesn’t take money from lobbyists” it’s interesting that the top few donors to his campaign are members of large law firms. The law firms are registered lobbyists but when the donations come from unregistered partners they are not reported as coming from lobbyists. These same law firms are the ones who examined securities and are defending companies such as JP Morgan and Citigroup who are heavily involved in the subprime mortgage crisis. And this is just one of the MANY lobbyist ties Obama has but uses technicalities to keep them from being listed as lobbyists.

  • John

    I’ve been reading the comments to various political articles in the Post for several months and I have found the vast majority of Obama supporters to be very angry. I’ve pointed this out a few times and immediately became the target of the malicious comments. My point is that the hateful slander isn’t confined to Reverends and Priests. I want to support Obama, even though I do believe Hillary is much more capable, but I’m frankly finding it hard to separate him from his vicious supporters, especially when his ability to gain such enthusiasitc support through his speaches is arguably strongest qualification. But its a real challenge, especially when the message is that he’s a uniter, yet much of his support is anything but. I don’t think his angry supporters realize or care what an enormous liablity they are to Obama.

  • outlawtorn103

    why is this a big deal? i don’t get it.a guest speaker at Obama’s church said a bunch of thing considered taboo in white America? give me a break.it seems to me that because no one can find any real dirt on Obama, they have to attack people near him (a la Six Degrees of Separation).so far, all these issues people attack him with look silly to me: Rev. Wright’s comments, Michelle Obama’s ‘proud of America’ comments, the flag pin, his middle name, ‘did he flick off Hillary?’… not a one of these incidents makes a noteworthy point!why are we all acting like we’re in high school? is that really the maturity level of the American public? if so, i am saddened and embarassed by us.

  • C E Haynes

    Obama is not ready yet. What has he done? He has been in the Senate for 3 1/2 years and has been running for president for most of that time.Let him spend 4 useful years in the Senate so he will have a record we can look at.I hear he is quite a bit left of Clinton witch to Liberal for me.

  • ohgee

    Is it just me or are there others who notice that all the “late-breaking media eruptions” concerning Barack Obama seem to surface as we near a primary contest? Whether it’s Rev. Wright resurfacing, “Bitter-gate” or whatever, it always seems to occur in time to have a possible affect on an upcoming race. Think about it! Remember that long dry spell we had leading up to Pennsylvania? No news – until about the final week when the “bitter” story broke. Now, as we near the eve of the final three contests of the primary season and also approach the crucial week before, what many consider may be the wrap- up of the nomination for Obama, it’s “Here we go again”! Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will, but it all seems very suspicious to me. Am I alone?

  • Sherry Freeman

    D. OTTO.What about all of those White Women over 60 that are only voting for Hilary because she’s a women? Is that sexism? If so, why aren’t you up in arms about that? Don’t you think that Hilary has some sort of feminist card up her sleve that will make all men her slaves? Sounds rediculous doesn’t it. Just as rediculous as Obama lying in waite to make White’s pay. Have we forgotten about the other two legs of our Government’s system put into place specifically for the purposes of STOPPING a moncarch rule?

  • Thisissilly

    The fact that this is a story right now shows, why we are a laughing stock in the rest of the world. People are so caught up in what was said, no one even thinks about why it was said?? People make comments all of the time in the game of politics and there are lots of things people say that could be offensive, this particular bit may sound strange, because instead a black priest for people to beat up on, its a white catholic priest so has made these comments. First off all Hillary did have a sense of entitlement to this nomination she ran her entire campaign thinking this is over before it starts and now she is losing and she is FOR THE PEOPLE and wants it continue. She did cry on national television complaining that its so hard for her. Then she becomes a whiskey chugger, gun totter, ROCKY, and advocate for the so called WHITE BLUE COLLLAR WORKING CLASS, for the few remaining primarys that happened to fit where she was in the country. Now the media is against her, she pulls out the assasination of RFK, elections in Zimbabwe, the disenfranchisement in Florida, and all kinds of wild accusations to win the publics sentiment, hoping something will stick. How can you possibly take somone like that seriously??The sooner this circus is put to bed the better. As a black man, I said this race would really show the world where we are in regards to race and politics in the country and its showing it for the worst. That said I am particularly proud of what Obama has accomplished trying to navigate this mine field with dignity and respect, with everything he has to face to have an opportunity to serve his country. This is something I never thought I would ever see in my lifetime and I think the majority of Americans are bigger than this garbage thats going on right now and are intelligent enough to see it for what it is. There will not be a Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton era in the White House. It’s time for new people, new energy, new blood and new ideas going forward to the next century. What Obama has been able to do all over this country shows whats possible.Go Obama

  • Sally May

    I am a proud leftist. I can tell you absolutely that Obama is not. I don’t know whether I will bother to vote for him, because as far as I am concerned – the man is on the other side of center. However, he is a very intelligent man – and it would be nice to have a mature, intelligent, curious and well educated president who wants peace – for a change. Eight years of George Bush and his friends is enough. Lighten up folks and give Obama a chance.

  • robgreg

    Come on folks, how can we hold another person accountable for the words of a VISITNG pastor? Where’s the backlash and questioning of the may who alluded to Obama being assassinated. is that not an ethical/moral offense as well.

  • Anonymous

    WHAT A REACH!!! Here’s the true headline : “Pathetic recycled smear tactic falls flat”

  • Sexism

    White women over 50 are voting for Hillary because she is woman…Sexism anyone???All we hear from the media is how the blacks vote and how they are all racists.Now we have a white preacher saying crazy stuff so it just proves that all people are capable of saying crazy stuff. Not sure what his words have to do with Obama. Guilt by association is pretty lame and the folks trying to capitalize on it are only wasting precious oxygen.

  • Olga

    I don’t understand why Obama is responsible for what is being said by someone else? Do you really think that Clinton supporters are not doing their fair share of derogatory comments, insinuations, etc. about Obama? It is just that the media has not turned a camera on them.

  • Gianclaudio

    I come from Rome, Italy where Roman Catholic Church was founded and never have I seen back home a priest who would express his political sentiment with such enthusiasm. In-fact, I have never heard a priest speak publicly about politics.As a Catholic thirty-something I don’t see myself as part of Pfleger’s message. However I would still vote for Obama and I hope Hillary Clinton’s fears (or wishes) about a possible repetition of RFK’s assassination will not take place.

  • SLY

    With all due respect, this is a bull crap argument. Hillary does feel entitled! That’s been both her central character flaw & strategic mistake. Rev. Pfleger was just humorously pointing out that the “Emperor wears no clothes”. Nor was he the 1st do so; pundits have been talking about how Hillary viewed ’08 as a coronation not a campaign. And, further, there’s no misogyny displayed by the Rev, not even a little. That’s a canard of the Clinton establishment.And who, precisely, do you think Obama is trying to unite, those who have their 40 acres & a mule with those never entitled by 400 years of slavery to own one? Country club Republicans don’t need to be unified with Reagan Republicans–they already are. Obama is trying to unite people–Republican and Democrat alike–who’re tired of being shafted & pitted against one another…By people making the sort of tired, trivial argument you are…You can’t do this uniting if you neuter Obama & his associate to the point where they can’t talk about being shafted for well over 500 years. But I suppose you’ll tell me that acknowledging history is too leftist.

  • No Place In the Church!

    The You Tube of Father Pfleger is actually grounds for Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago to lose its non profit status as a church. That was a campaign speech and campaigning is not supposed to be held at the pulpit. I agree with Mr Berlinerblau, not only is this new “sermon” bad for Obama in its inciting condemnation against all white people “not taking responsibility” for their ancestors raping blacks, the “sermon” is also horrendously biased, extremely misogynistic and demeaning against Hillary. The way Pfleger condescendingly mocks Hillary crying makes me ill and ashamed that people might find that funny. Hillary has endured many more open misogynistic remarks by the press, Father Pfleger, and yes, even Obama (with “You’re likable enough,”) than I believe any racist would have the nerve to say against Obama. As one blogger pointed out, Hillary has mocked a few comments made by Obama, but she mocked the comments made in the speeches. She did not make condescending racist remarks against Obama personally. Pfleger mocks Hillary for being an entitled (white) woman who cries like a two year old when she doesn’t get her way. And he mocks her behind the pulpit – in a church! Neither racism nor misogyny has a place in a church or in a political campaign, so why does everyone feel so comfortable with misogyny? Look at the candidates proposals. Look at their experience. Then vote. I believe Hillary to be the most experienced and better qualified to lead the country and I support her policy proposals. As it looks like Obama will be the presumptive Democratic nominee and I do not want another four years of Bush’s policies being parroted by McCain, I feel reluctantly forced to vote for Obama. But as it stands, with Obama’s spiritual counselors being white-hating misogynists, I have to say that I don’t feel good about it. Take the campaign to the town halls! Keep it out of our churches! Shame on you, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Shame!

  • Tom

    Jacques Berlinerblau asks what there is about “this particular pulpit” that prompts their outrageous remarks. It’s not that particular pulpit at all. You can see similarly outrageous rants from pulpits all over the world in every faith. Religion is an attractor for paranoia and extremism of all sorts. One of the reasons, I suspect, why the founding fathers of this country wanted to separate church and state was to try to create a government in which this craziness could be divorced from the governing process. From advocating the teaching of “Creation Science” in public classrooms to leading chants of “Death to America”, religions promote a passionate and irrational view of the world that is often completely out of step with the mainstream of cilivized behavior. It is not surprising to hear overly-excited and irrational people saying overly-offensive and irrational things.Both McCain and Obama have been embarrassed by their irrational, religious supporters. One can only hope that other politicians will take note and be careful to keep religion well out of their political campaigns.

  • Krishna

    What’s with these pastors/fathers in general, and those associated with Obama in particular? Do they feel “entitled” to a free pass on their rants because of past perceived or real slights from the other side?I go to an Indian Temple on occasion, and I can never in my wildest imagination think of a situation where religious/cultural/social hatred is expressed by anybody, much alone by someone speaking on behalf of the Temple!

  • Cryos

    On another note I find this democratic primary to be a major source of amusement. The democratic party tries to give this image of being the party “of the people” “against discrimination” etc and claim republicans are the “old racist white bigots.”This primary is showing the democratic party’s true colors as the liberal politicans, mainstream media and elitists divide everything by race, class, sex, and any other classification they can. They show that their concept of “diversity” means to divide and conquer. Even surveys show republicans are more open to vote in a woman, minority, etc. The difference is most republicans want to vote someone in office regardless of sex, race, etc and they won’t ignore facts about that person. Liberals want to force a subpar candidate down your throat at the expense of being “historic” and use race, sex, as a guilt trip to get you to vote their candidates.There are a lot of ignorant republicans also but hte liberals are showing they are just as bad if not worse in that regard. Template for a liberal comment blogger: parrot recent topics covered by MSM and come up with “clever” unoriginal names to call someone and you’re “trendy and progressive.”

  • l

    I am so tired of petty minds focusing on petty things when we have bigger issues to resolve like the price of living. I thought many politicians get involved with government so that they can focus on the larger issues than the pantsing flaws that exist in everyone’s life. When are we going to learn that many times we can not control what someone else does. Let Obama run his campaign. Let Clinton run hers. Life is bad enough when these days we are guilty before proven innocent when decents are the victims of ignorance. Political games should end on all sides and the American people should demand it. Life is too precious for this type of crap. Let the showmanship rule not the bantering. Let thier track records of their own actions be our criteria for decision making.

  • Kevin Kerrane

    What is wrong with you guys? A priest who supports Obama uses his church as a platform to speak rudely about Hillary–and this is a “disaster”? No. A real disaster is McCain getting economic advice from lobbyist Phil Gramm, a prime architect of the subprime catastrophe. A real disaster is when a candidate gives a flawed supporter a central role as political counselor. When will the Washington Post give the Gramm story the space it deserves, instead of wasting newsprint on trivia like this?

  • okokondem

    Your opinion is utter nonesense. So Obama has to be responsible for every nonesensical comments made by Pastors at the church where he worships. What if what the Pastor said was true? So, the great American voter has become intolerant of the truth? Probably why US politicians can’t take the bold and courageous decisions needed to stop the gradual decline of the country. And you, why can’t you be honest enough to say that you wish Clinton to be the nominee? Why live through the Catholic Priest?Shame on all of you in the Commentariat who have become the speech-and-thought police, censors in the land of the free.

  • pat

    The real Obama rears it’s ugly head again.

  • oldhonky

    As the old saying goes — “I can deal with my enemies. But God protect me from my friends!”

  • R.J.

    I’m not Christian, I’m not atheist, I’m not especially politically active – so as an objective outsider looking in at this issue, I see two things1. The founding fathers were wise to put some distance between religion and government. In these times where the “Christian conservatives” are a much pandered-to (and manipulated) voting block, it is easy to see that the more that politics come to the pulpit (and vice-versa), the more problems there are. It’s like putting bleach and ammonia in the same cleaning bucket…no matter how you stir it, something stinky is going to happen.and 2. All the Christian ministers in the media and public eye…Falwell, Robers, Robertson, Hagee, Parsley, Wright, Pfleger…they are all seemingly bigoted and well, a bit odd to say the least.I know this doesn’t reflect the thousands upon thousands of other ministers, and certainly does not reflect the millions of practicing Christians in this country. So why should anyone assume that these views are remotely shared by Senator Obama? That’s like saying all Christians are as opinionated, judgmental and intolerant as Hagee, Pfleger, et al. We all know that isn’t true.

  • Patricia Kelly

    Racism is hate. In the King James Bible God/Christ speaks against discrimnation and treating others differently from yourself. How can you say you love God whom you have never seen and you cannot love or treat someone equally because of the color of their skin. How can one man be better than the other because of the color or his skin. God created all men equally. The gift of life for all skin colors requires the same design and functionality. You can take the heart out of a black man and put into a white man to live. Is he a different man because his heart is now the heart of a black man. The United State has used the color of one skin to separate people for longest time. Right now in the school systems all over the US different learning tools are used to teach kids. Children of white skin have access to all the new learning tools. Children of various skin colors have access to those tools when they are old and a new edition is being given to children of white color. It’s not the children it’s the system. A person of white skin color goes to college and so do others of various skin colors. However, the white skin color student is considered the most quailfied when the student of various colors have better grades. The US do not want to admit to the issue of skin color and a lot of white people are unaware because they have never been exposed to the unfair treatment so they don’t know. They assume people of various skin colors are not up to skill because of what society potrays those people to be. People come into the US they have never been exposed to racism, but once they get here and see the unfair treatment they soon develop that same charactristic. The US is so diverse now that people are tried of the skin color issue. Can someone tell me what makes a white man better that men of various colors. Because if the answer is because he’s white, then you are a very ignorant person with a underlying hate issue in your heart that you don’t want to admit you have.

  • l

    I am so tired of petty minds focusing on petty things when we have bigger issues to resolve like the price of living. I thought many politicians get involved with government so that they can focus on the larger issues than the pantsing flaws that exist in everyone’s life. When are we going to learn that many times we can not control what someone else does. Let Obama run his campaign. Let Clinton run hers. Life is bad enough when these days we are guilty before proven innocent and when decents are the victims of ignorance. Political games should end on all sides and the American people should demand it. Life is too precious for this type of crap. Let the showmanship rule not the bantering. Let their track records of their own actions be our criteria for decision making. Let them see that Americans CAN be smart. We want better than what we have and not the SSDD.

  • Minneapple

    Where is Obama worshipping? The Church of Shecky Greene?? Maybe it’s my Lutheran backround, but I’ve never seen such, umm, interesting preachers as they seem to get at Barack’s church.

  • Maurice

    A few points. First, this is NOT about religion, but about like minded individuals speaking out in a religious setting. Just like the rabbi that spoke out for Rev. Hagee, these folks are not speaking for Catholics of jews or Hindus.Second, all of our divisions and prejudices are boiling to the top, since we have decided for years to not address them. We abuse women, and make them second class citizens for years, and now are shocked that some women feel a women candidate by all means necessary? And after the history of racism in this country, people are suprised that some Blacks in this country feel that Obama right or wrong? We can talk about extending olive branches around the world, yet our top leaders continue to do nothing on a significant scale to heal the racial and gender scars that fester in our own country.Unfortunately, the last seven years have created an environment in which civil war in this country is a very real possibility, depending on the outcome of both the primary and general elections.

  • John

    Interesting that Obama’s ministers have so much hate in their hearts. Doesn’t sound Christian to me.

  • lee

    You find that someone else words is more important than Hillary giving the code words to assassinate Obama it messed up.

  • Fred Jones

    I’m not sure how old you are, but I am old enough to have marched in the 1960′s for civil rights. I have always been strongly opposed to racism, in any form. Before Obama came on the scene, I had no knowledge of his religion, black liberation theology. When I first heard about it, I decided to research the issue (research is a large part of the profession I am in). What I found out disturbed me greatly. Rev. Wright, who Obama has acknowledged as his “mentor and spiritual adviser” for 20 years, preaches black liberation theology. Rev. Wright also acknowledges that his theological mentor is James H. Cone (both of these admissions are on the church’s website. I obtained several of the most well-known books by James H. Cone, and read them. Once I did, I saw the rants of Rev. Wright in a different light. These rants were not the exception to the rule, in Obama’s church, they were consistent with the racist theology to which Rev. Wright and Obama subscribe. Here are just a few quotes from Cone’s books, and you can be the judge as to whether or not you consider them to be disturbing. ******* (1) “To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people.” (2) “While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism.” (3) “All white men are responsible for white oppression.” (4) “Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man “the devil.” (5) “If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it.” (6) “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.” *****It is axiomatic that if I had attended a white racist church for 20 years, and considered its white racist pastor to be my “mentor and spiritual adviser,” it would not be unreasonable to assume that I am a racist. Likewise, if one attends a racist black liberation theology church for 20 years, like Obama did, it is not unreasonable to assume that he is a racist.

  • T. S. Elliot

    Religion was invented to keep the poor from killing the rich.

  • lee

    You find that someone else words is more important than Hillary giving the code words to assassinate Obama it messed up.

  • DH

    Issues can be made out of anything these days and this is a pretty stretched out example and not worthy of even this comment. I could be helping somebody cross the street or just being positive and friendly rather than wasting breath on another bogus, non-issue like this. We all seem to forget that one of the reasons we’re in the middle east – according to the stated purpose – is to defend our freedoms. This would include free speech, I think? This Pfleger character is welcome to his “opines”. I don’t have to swallow it!I don’t recall learning in church or school that if a person uses someone elses name in connection with an opinion and without their knowledge then I should automatically connect that person to those words. What nonsense!Stop wasting people’s time on this stuff and get into the real moral, ethical and economic issues that are wearing us all down. Black, white, green or purple!We certainly don’t need more he said she said gossip mongering to direct our thoughts and dreams.

  • DH

    Issues can be made out of anything these days and this is a pretty stretched out example and not worthy of even this comment. I could be helping somebody cross the street or just being positive and friendly rather than wasting breath on another bogus, non-issue like this. We all seem to forget that one of the reasons we’re in the middle east – according to the stated purpose – is to defend our freedoms. This would include free speech, I think? This Pfleger character is welcome to his “opines”. I don’t have to swallow it!I don’t recall learning in church or school that if a person uses someone elses name in connection with an opinion and without their knowledge then I should automatically connect that person to those words. What nonsense!Stop wasting people’s time on this stuff and get into the real moral, ethical and economic issues that are wearing us all down. Black, white, green or purple!We certainly don’t need more he said she said gossip mongering to direct our thoughts and dreams.

  • Elbram

    This guilt by association BS is just that. Hillary and McCain are both corrupt politicians surrounded by corrupt lobbyists and individuals and have horrible -religious problems, Hillary in the “Family” cult and McCain with the anti-Catholic, anti-Islamic, anti-gay rhetoric. Reporting on this shows a desperate attempt to find anything you can that might be anti-Obama…Give it up, is it so difficult for you to accept that a black man will actually won the US presidency?

  • Media Browski

    I can’t imagine where he could have gotten the impression that Hillary feels entitled to the nomination. It’s a mystery up there with transubstantiation and how magnets work.

  • God and Religion are all the creation of men

    All of this is based upon the belief that our big imaginary friend in the sky is up there judging our behavior. Carry on….

  • realist

    God must not want Obama in the Oval Office. If he does, why do ‘men-of-God’ keep causing Obama so many problems? I overlooked everything about Obama, including the first pastor-disastors, until now. Enough is enough. Obama is the one who associated himself with this horrbile, hate-filled church and it will be his downfall. Did you hear them cheering this idiot on? What poor african-americans don’t want to hear is that it is THEIR fault they are poor. They are just as eligible for the same Pell Grants I was. Until today, I would have voted for either Democractic nominee to keep McCain out of office. Not anymore. I hope the superdelegates hear us loud and clear. Obama now has no chance at all of beating McCain in November and it is the fault of his hate-filled black church. The difference between the Obama and the McCain preacher-issues is that McCain NEVER attended any of Hagee’s sermons, let alone sat under his craziness for two entire DECADES. As much as I can’t stand McCain I have to give him that much. I will hate to vote McCain in November – but I will to keep Obama out of the Oval Office.

  • linda

    oh noes … a preacherman mocks hillary clinton! and the media unsurprisingly gobblegobblegobble the latest tag against obama.hey, jacques, go back and review any of the cable channels during those days and report back on your findings. i suspect you’d be forced to backstep your current hanky-twisting outrage once you witnessed your media colleagues’ contempt and equally noxious comments towards her following new hampshire.

  • miknugget

    I’m getting sick of these church morons running their mouths. If we didn’t live in a country with so many jesus freaks and bible thumpers, we wouldn’t be hearing this BS. If the US could move away from the primitive ideas of religion altogether, like most of Europe is doing, we’d all be better off. We need an atheist to run for president next time. Who gives an F about anyone’s imaginary friends.

  • SH

    When are folks going to stop making Senator Obama responsible and holding him accountable for the remarks made by persons in the pulpit at Trinity?He is no more responsible for the words coming out of other peoples mouths then you are for what comes out of the mouth of your Pastor (or other spiritual leader). My goodness, if I had not attended church for 35 years, as one poster had said in another article on the same subject, I would hardly think myself in a position to comment on what someone had or had not said or done.Just my thoughts.

  • Timbuk2

    Why does every fool minister who has running off at the mouth belong to Obama?

  • danielle

    I didn’t think this was that nuts – I actually thought it was funny – on two fronts. The first is that I can actually imagine Hillary saying that and the second is that you’ve got this priest up there just being nuts — so out of character with what I remember from my parish priests.

  • Paul Moore

    What an utterly ridiculous waste of newsprint! Get a life Mr. Berlinerblau.

  • Hillary

    So it’s a “Pastor Disaster” just cause you say it is. So sick of this suggestive fake news…

  • Ron J P

    Thjs is really not a storey. I can’t tell you how many people talk about Hillery Clinton’s antics during this campaign…and the Clintons history of disrespecting each other and us. Time for the press to move on to something worth reporting.

  • Dee

    How can people make excuses for Obama associating with this type of “freedom of speech” for 20+years??? This is hatred, pure and simple.

  • Deborah

    Lets stay focused. This priest was sent by Reverend Wright and the Clintons, all who want Obama to fail. We have way tooo many problems in America. The war, economy, jobs, and add the Clintons to the list if they make ot back into the white house. remeber this is the same house that the Clintons violated, especially Bill, when he had sexual realtions in the oval office.

  • Mary Glass

    Jacques:I disagree with you and those who seek to elevate every citizen’s remarks as the decline of Candidate Obama.Senator Obama has no control nor should he about what Father Michael Pfleger says. Just as Candidate Obama has no control over what you are saying.As for Candidate Clinton, what about what he said is not true and more widely believed than people in denial may want to believe. We are not Europe with a king/queen dictatorship. You can not play every card in the deck and then say you do not play cards.As a candidate for office such as president, you become fair game for everybody’s personal remarks. You can only make your sincere statement, hope that people are committed to truth-telling and move on – as Candidate Obama has done.As for the parishioners in the back of Father Pfleger, they evidently agree with his statement. As for weighing in later today, it would be wise to not. However, since this is the season for passing on one’s flaws to everyone else, get your laptop ready.As for the “undecided” – Who is undecided? Really?If what Father Pfleger said will have the “undecided” to jump off the fence, I am wondering why they were on the fence in the first placeLastly, we can all plant seeds of fear and make accusations, here is mine – judge not lest ye be judged.Mary Glass – Milwaukeean

  • Deborah

    Lets stay focused. This priest was sent by Reverend Wright and the Clintons, all who want Obama to fail. We have way tooo many problems in America. The war, economy, jobs, and add the Clintons to the list if they make ot back into the white house. remeber this is the same house that the Clintons violated, especially Bill, when he had sexual realtions in the oval office.

  • CJN

    Before you call anyone a racist, answer this question: ARE YOU CLOSE FRIENDS WITH A PERSON OF A DIFFERENT RACE? If you’re white and all your friends are white, then you might be racist. THe same for blacks, asians or hispanics.

  • MTerry

    Fred Jones is my new hero. I encourage others to read his comment below. I for one do believe in the principal of actions being more telling than rhetoric. Inaction, in this case constitutes conscious decision. To remain associated with a church and spirtual advisors who have made and continue to make racist comments and carry overtly views is unacceptable and inexcusable, especially from a man who in public rhetoric is preaching the untity doctrine.I am have trouble believing that the sound bites that have come to light since the campaign are the first times that these men have expressed these views. I think it is a hard pill to swallow that in Obama’s long associations with these men, he was unaware that they held views that were contradictory and and inflamatory to the cause of a unified nation beyond the segregated self interest of race. Only now, when these comments are damaging to Obama’s credibility as a unifier does he distance himself from a pastor and spiritual advisor of 20 years? It just feels disingenous. It feels like when you let something you thinking slip out in the heat of an argument and then try desperately to back peddle and say, “Just joking, you don’t think I really feel that way do you?”I like Obama. I am just becoming less sure that I know who Obama is. His long association with a racist church and close ties men who feel strong enough about their racist ideology to express it publicly, (How many cameras do you think they were looking into while speaking these words?) just makes me question the coviction and authenticity of Obama’s public statements on race. I want a unifier, but I am not willing pick just anyone who claims to be a unifier. I want a unifier in deed as well as in word.I truly hope that Obama’s can find a way to show me that he is that man. He may be the closest thing we have to chose from in this election. I saddens me to think that I may have to make a decision in this race based not on what I think a candidate will do to bring us togther, but what I think the candidate will not do to tear us apart.”. . .one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”That needs to mean something to the next president of our country.

  • neostevecon

    hello everyone on the left. I’m not trying to poke my finger in your eye. i’m not trying to laught when you’re down. I’m not trying to take advantage of a very sad situation. but i just wanted to say, with your gracious permission, that you guys devour each other like the moabites and ammonites (since we’re in biblical mode). i don’t know what will happen in november but it almsot doesn’t matter. watching you guys tear each other up is bread and circuses goone beezzzerk. i’d never vote for a democrate, even though my name is Husein, like the master of ceremonies, but you guys turn on your own faster than the turnstile in teh new york city subway at 8:15 a.m. what else is there to say. it seems half of your party is bleeding. too bad the other half isn’t the heart, part.

  • Devin

    Black liberation theology is a conservative theme stop depending on others to do what your suppose to do for your self. Rev Wight through all his bombastic rhetoric said nothing that wasn’t true. To many of you like to call blacks racist for holding on to the scars of racism and pointing out why they have them. As a black male seeing this and the negative spin all this gets is frustrating. This time its a white Priest acknowlegding the racist-like events in this campaign and they still call it racist. Is he racist against himself? this doesn’t hold true, the church is predominantly white what does this mean? It measn there are some rational people out there that have empathy and don’t try to call reverse racism eveytime racism is pointed out.

  • CJN

    Before you call anyone a racist, answer this question: ARE YOU CLOSE FRIENDS WITH A PERSON OF A DIFFERENT RACE? If you’re white and all your friends are white, then you might be racist. THe same for blacks, asians or hispanics.

  • CJN

    Before you call anyone a racist, answer this question: ARE YOU CLOSE FRIENDS WITH A PERSON OF A DIFFERENT RACE? If you’re white and all your friends are white, then you might be racist. THe same for blacks, asians or hispanics.

  • Tom Shire

    Perhaps the histrionics displayed by preachers like Pfleger, Hagee, Wright and Parsley can serve a useful purpose in society, but I am far more comfortable with the reasoned arguments and style exemplified put by Barack Obama.Obama would never say something like what Pfleger said. I doubt he would even think it. If Hillary Clinton has a sense of entitlement, it likely has for more to do with her past position in the White House than the color of her skin. But I’m not even sure she feels entitled. Such a presumptive attitude on Clinton’s part strikes me as unthinkable. Ambition? Quite likely. Entitlement? Show me the evidence.What we have here is a friend of Obama advancing a particular narrative in an attempt to demean a political opponent of Obama’s. It amounts to a man caught up in the moment and literally preaching to the choir, probably in a misguided attempt at gaining approval.Will Obama have to answer for every statement ever uttered at Trinity United, or by anyone he has ever known? I certainly hope not. In fact, this whole discussion of the opinions of Obama’s acquaintances is becoming somewhat repetitive and boring.

  • Jabreal00

    For the life of me I don’t understand what is up with that Trinity church. I am an Obama supporter but I have to question his judgement in attending such a type of church. I’m sure that priest was playing to the crowd. One could hear his inflections and intonations, almost sounding like Jessie or Sharpton. It’s a bit patronizing. That’s the problem with a lot of these “non-denomination” churches; too much politicizing. People should be there to worship not hear a speech on who to vote for. If Obama has any sense, he needs to find a standard church where there is not any politicizing of sermons.

  • jeff

    Sorry, but there is no fire here. The priest is speaking about privilege, and about the shock, hurt, anger so many of us feel when someone we least expect does better than we are doing. The snippet of sermon I saw was good. The Clinton illustration was consistent with the overall point he was trying to make. It ma be a bit callous with respect to her feelings, but my hunch is that for those who are offended by it, the real problem is that the truth hurts? Nobody in this election has felt more entitled to the presidency than either Clinton.

  • IDONTBELIEVEIT

    I don’t believe you Joe Smith. If Hawaii isn’t legally a state, how come none of us have heard anything about this before? If Barack had been from Texas, you’d try to say that TEXAS wasn’t legally a state either. –Grow up. Some people will say ANYTHING it seems just to keep a black man out of office. I’ll never believe Hawaii isn’t one of our 50 states… if that’s so, what does it say about our American Flag with it’s 50 stars???

  • DM

    Apart from politics, Trinity’s and most other protestant “brands” of Christianity are bastardized forms. True Christians are meak, peaceful and “Christ-like.” These people that Obama may/may not worship with along with other protestants are being decieved. Their behavior, yelling, screaming, jumping up and down like spastic buffoons is appalling.

  • Craig

    What the hell does Barack have to do with this idiots comments? Some of you morons who write garbage like this just want a reason to dump on him. Ask Hillary why she brought the word assassination into the primaries on more than one ocassion. And some of you gave her a pass saying, she was tired. B-S! These were her words. If the Catholic Church want to cast judgement on people when their priests have been giving little boys reach arounds, then so what!Hillary has been getting away with some racist inuendos without you and other racist writers getting on her for months. Now, white-working class voters is used very loosly because she gave you idiots a license to use it. Get over yourself Berlinerblau! You’re an isiot!

  • Jane

    The Falsani article reveals that Obama has been friends with Father Pfleger for decades and that Obama claims him as part of his moral compass. Given this long of an association how sincere can Obama’s disclaimer be? If he had objections to Father Pfleger’s positions and hatred he had plenty of time to object.Obama appears to surround himself with very angry people.As far as entitlement goes, how about Father Pfleger checking with his fellow sister Priests — oh, that’s right.

  • Sharon

    So when are we as citizens going to start asking the tough questions of the candidates (from both partys) and stop the petty stuff? Are we afraid that our chosen candidate will not be the best candidate when all is said and done? Should’nt we want to have the best candidate leading our country? How will we know who that is if we avoid the real issues and continue to dwell on the non-issues? We are losing sight of what is important to our country and her people. Housing, Education, Global Warming, Poverty, Health Care, Immigration, Diplomacy and restoring our standing with other nations, Homeland Security, Terrorism, and not least of all the Wars we are currently involved in; these are the issues that matter.

  • Truthmatters

    My apologies to Jacques Berlinerblau, if you’re not the author of this article.

  • Tom Shire

    Perhaps the histrionics displayed by preachers like Pfleger, Hagee, Wright and Parsley can serve a useful purpose in society, but I am far more comfortable with the reasoned arguments and style exemplified by Barack Obama.Obama would never say something like what Pfleger said. I doubt he would even think it. If Hillary Clinton has a sense of entitlement, it likely has for more to do with her past position in the White House than the color of her skin. But I’m not even sure she feels entitled. Such a presumptive attitude on Clinton’s part strikes me as unthinkable. Ambitious? Quite likely. Sense of entitlement? Show me the evidence.What we have here is a friend of Obama’s advancing a particular narrative in an attempt to demean a political opponent of Obama’s. It amounts to a man caught up in the moment and literally preaching to the choir, probably in a misguided attempt at gaining approval.Will Obama have to answer for every statement ever uttered at Trinity United, or misguided motivation by anyone he has ever known? I certainly hope not. In fact, this whole discussion of the opinions of Obama’s acquaintances is becoming somewhat repetitive and boring. Obama didn’t and wouldn’t say these things!By the way, Berlinerblau’s “to the left of Fidel Castro” crack was gratuitous and unsubstantiated. Does acknowledging white privilege first require gaining membership in the Communist Party or supporting a totalitarian regime? Please, Mr. Berlinerblau, don’t go all Fox News on us.

  • Truthmatters

    My apologies to Jacques Berlinerblau, if you’re not the author of this article.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe Barack needs to forgo church visits for while as these pastors are all getting psst themselves with their fifteen minutes of fame.

  • Truthmatters

    My apologies to Jacques Berlinerblau, if you’re not the author of this article.

  • Marvin Adelman

    I am an Independant usually Democratic supporter. I will vote for all Democratic Candidates however I cannot in good conscience vote for Sen Obama1- I dont really know who he isAlso to set the record straight I am not a racistFrankly even though Sen Obama will win the democratic nominating process He is going to blow the national election. He is un electible.

  • Tom Shire

    Perhaps the histrionics displayed by preachers like Pfleger, Hagee, Wright and Parsley can serve a useful purpose in society, but I am far more comfortable with the reasoned arguments and style exemplified by Barack Obama.Obama would never say something like what Pfleger said. I doubt he would even think it. If Hillary Clinton has a sense of entitlement, it likely has for more to do with her past position in the White House than the color of her skin. But I’m not even sure she feels entitled. Such a presumptive attitude on Clinton’s part strikes me as unthinkable. Ambitious? Quite likely. Sense of entitlement? Show me the evidence.What we have here is a friend of Obama’s advancing a particular narrative in an attempt to demean a political opponent of Obama’s. It amounts to a man caught up in the moment and literally preaching to the choir, probably in a misguided attempt at gaining approval.Will Obama have to answer for every statement ever uttered at Trinity United, or misguided motivation by anyone he has ever known? I certainly hope not. In fact, this whole discussion of the opinions of Obama’s acquaintances is becoming somewhat repetitive and boring. Obama didn’t and wouldn’t say these things!By the way, Berlinerblau’s “to the left of Fidel Castro” crack was gratuitous and unsubstantiated. Does acknowledging white privilege first require gaining membership in the Communist Party or supporting a totalitarian regime? Please, Mr. Berlinerblau, don’t go all Fox News on us.

  • Truthmatters

    My apologies to Jacques Berlinerblau, if you’re not the author of this article.

  • Tom Shire

    Perhaps the histrionics displayed by preachers like Pfleger, Hagee, Wright and Parsley can serve a useful purpose in society, but I am far more comfortable with the reasoned arguments and style exemplified by Barack Obama.Obama would never say something like what Pfleger said. I doubt he would even think it. If Hillary Clinton has a sense of entitlement, it likely has for more to do with her past position in the White House than the color of her skin. But I’m not even sure she feels entitled. Such a presumptive attitude on Clinton’s part strikes me as unthinkable. Ambitious? Quite likely. Sense of entitlement? Show me the evidence.What we have here is a friend of Obama’s advancing a particular narrative in an attempt to demean a political opponent of Obama’s. It amounts to a man caught up in the moment and literally preaching to the choir, probably in a misguided attempt at gaining approval.Will Obama have to answer for every statement ever uttered at Trinity United, or misguided motivation by anyone he has ever known? I certainly hope not. In fact, this whole discussion of the opinions of Obama’s acquaintances is becoming somewhat repetitive and boring. Obama didn’t and wouldn’t say these things!By the way, Berlinerblau’s “to the left of Fidel Castro” crack was gratuitous and unsubstantiated. Does acknowledging white privilege first require gaining membership in the Communist Party or supporting a totalitarian regime? Please, Mr. Berlinerblau, don’t go all Fox News on us.

  • IDONTBELIEVEIT

    I don’t believe you Joe Smith.If Hawaii isn’t legally one of our United States, then how come none of us had heard of it before?If Barack Obama had been from Texas, I’m sure you would have found a way to say that TEXAS wasn’t legally one of the 50 states, either. –Give it a rest…If this is true of Hawaii, what does this say about our American flag and it’s 50 stars??? What does it say about the “United States”??I believe in my country, so I refuse to believe you.

  • S.R. Webb

    Could we have an updated definition of “spiritual adviser”? Once uon a time, and to most of us, a spiritual adviser was, like a pastor or rabbi, a teacher and guide for personal spirituality. More frequently in politics I suspect it connotes a sounding board.SRW

  • ED B

    YOU FOLKS AT THE WP, CNN AND MSNBC ARE A BUNCH OF LIARS. WILL TO SAY AND WRITE ANYTHING TO GET ATTENTION.

  • ED B

    YOU FOLKS AT THE WP, CNN AND MSNBC ARE A BUNCH OF LIARS. WILL TO SAY AND WRITE ANYTHING TO GET ATTENTION.

  • Chris

    Is this a real church? Looks more like a poor attempt at standup comedy…

  • enrique

    And……what is the problem?Political correctness is killing this country, that’s for sure.

  • Chris

    Is this a real church? Looks more like a poor attempt at standup comedy…

  • Ken

    As an Independent,

  • not necessary

    Hail to Mr. Obama to stand up against the serpent. Stay strong Brother and let God lead you to His perfect Will. It is written that in these days, all truths will be revealed. This is what is happening in the Church today. As you can see in these comments, satan is working hard on the face of this earch. Only the ones who can discern the truth can undertand this. For all else, God Bless You.

  • erndog

    Fred Jones. Amen and amen. Truth can be like a bright light in a dark room – exposing things we may not want to see… or hear. As I see the responses (many of them angry Obama supporters or “let’s just move on” deniers), it occurs to me that we all need to be better students of history to learn about the Forrest and Wright-types and others.I lived in D.C. and worked in a community garden with about 10 different nationalities represented. As we worked we would often hear the echos of Elijah Muhammed sermons spewing hate and racism from a loudspeaker mounted outside of a streetcorner business. In the garden, I would see and hear racist slurs as vicious as any KKK member coming out of the mouths of African-Americans against El Salvadorans and Vietnamese. Hmmm, I wonder if there is a connection?

  • IDONTBELIEVEIT

    Fred Jones… I really hope those quotes you stated were taken out of context!! If not, they are truly, deeply disturbing. Whether the are or aren’t, you have led me into doing MUCH more research on this issue, and on all of our potential nominees. Thank you for re-piquing my interest in this year’s candidates and in the election once again. Through all the hype, I had stopped paying attention to what was going on.

  • jaimetre

    Many statements have been made in this campaign, on both sides, which are hurtful and seemingly unnecessary. I will give to the candidates a fatigue factor which undoubtedly adds to the propensity for making some remarks.However, these men of the christian cloth cannot claim a fatigue factor. I don’t understand how men who claim to be Christians can spout such vociferous remarks. What happened to the New TEstament teachings?It is obvious in this last go around that the primarily black audience was supportive of the remarks made by this priest. Religions are well versed in misogyny. Why is it that we accept sexism? Why is it that we cannot respond to anything said by the black community without being accused of racism? How are we ever going to work our way through this thicket if we cannot talk openly?I am a democrat from Kansas so my vote as a democrat is virtually guaranteed to be meaningless. I was going to vote for Obama because I think McCain will continue the war policies of the King who will soon be leaving. However, based on this last blast from Obama’s long term friend, I think I may not vote.

  • Fred Jones

    I am just trying to put myself in Obama’s place. If I were in a church, and the pastor made even one derogatory remark about “black people,” I would be out of that church, never to return. I most certainly would not consider that pastor to be my “mentor and spiritual adviser” for 20 years. In addition, as I’ve mentioned in my prior posts, the basic theology of the church is based upon race: black liberation theology. Obama is not a stupid man; I’m sure that he understands the implications of such race-based ideas. If they were anathema to him, he would have left the church long ago. The fact that he did not speaks volumes about his character and judgment. Finally, the fact that he expects us to believe that he had no awareness of the racist and anti-American views of his 20-year “mentor and spiritual adviser” is insulting to the intelligence of an objective and informed citizen.The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies black churches who preach theologies similar to that of Obama’s as hate groups. They specifically discuss black churches who twist the story of Jesus to suggest that Jesus was black, and his murderers were white (like Rev. Wright did on video). Racism is wrong, no matter who practices it. By the way, just for fun, and because everyone seems to think that just because the Trinity United website doesn’t say “I hate whitey” on its welcome page that they must not be racist, I Googled the Ku Klux Klan and found their web page. Here is what it says about their organization on one of the pages.FROM THE KKK WEBSITE: We are not the enemy of black people. Nathan Bedford Forrest was concerned about securing a future for his people. He was filled with intense love and compassion for his family and his nation. He wasn’t consumed by hatred for the black man and woman. He realized that they were simple pawns being used by the federal agents of that time. A deeply religious man, he also felt secure in the knowledge that Jesus Christ had placed each one of his creations on Earth to fulfill a purpose.The Ku Klux Klan led by Nathan Bedford Forrest was not the enemy of the black man and Pastor Robb and The Knights is not the enemy of the black man.We believe in self-determination for all people. We believe that the best minds of all people should work together for the advancement and development of their own people without being hindered by another racial group. The Bible commands us to respect the boundaries of every nation and race to insure world wide peace and harmony.YOU SEE, MOST RACIST GROUPS DO NOT ADVERTISE THEIR RACISM. In fact, they deny it stridently, while at the same time sowing the seeds of hate.

  • jaimetre

    Many statements have been made in this campaign, on both sides, which are hurtful and seemingly unnecessary. I will give to the candidates a fatigue factor which undoubtedly adds to the propensity for making some remarks.However, these men of the christian cloth cannot claim a fatigue factor. I don’t understand how men who claim to be Christians can spout such vociferous remarks. What happened to the New TEstament teachings?It is obvious in this last go around that the primarily black audience was supportive of the remarks made by this priest. Religions are well versed in misogyny. Why is it that we accept sexism? Why is it that we cannot respond to anything said by the black community without being accused of racism? How are we ever going to work our way through this thicket if we cannot talk openly?I am a democrat from Kansas so my vote as a democrat is virtually guaranteed to be meaningless. I was going to vote for Obama because I think McCain will continue the war policies of the King who will soon be leaving. However, based on this last blast from Obama’s long term friend, I think I may not vote.

  • Lynne Liska

    I happen to have friends that have had affairs with married men, gotten DUI’s, my brother is an alcoholic…the list goes on. There is not one person in the United States who does not associate with someone who has done something unexcusable. Does that mean we all have bad moral fiber? I certainaly do not have flawed moral fiber. Let’s think about this. There are hundereds of media people who are paid to dig up dirt on any policial figure. Now that they have determined that Obama really has nothing to hide, they are searching within people he has some sort of connection with. Let’s use our common sence…Does that mean Obama has flawed moralitiy. Absolutely not.

  • Lynne Liska

    I happen to have friends that have had affairs with married men, gotten DUI’s, my brother is an alcoholic…the list goes on. There is not one person in the United States who does not associate with someone who has done something unexcusable. Does that mean we all have bad moral fiber? I certainaly do not have flawed moral fiber. Let’s think about this. There are hundereds of media people who are paid to dig up dirt on any policial figure. Now that they have determined that Obama really has nothing to hide, they are searching within people he has some sort of connection with. Let’s use our common sence…Does that mean Obama has flawed moralitiy. Absolutely not.

  • Franklin

    C’mon! Everybody apologized. Isn’t that enough?Well, of course it is! Just wait, the mainstream media will put this insane, Trinity-approved rant into the washer and through the spin cycle within 24 hours on behalf of Obamamessiah. As the slogan on my dad’s dry-cleaned shirts used to say, “Fresh As A Daisy And Back In One Day!” Just gotta ‘poligize, that’s all.If CNN et al. had been around at the end of WWII, Hitler coulda just said he was sorry, instead of feeling so awfully pressured to euthanize himself in order to avoid the judgmental and harsh attitudes of the victors. Of course, if the MSM in the US had been then what it is now, Hitler would have won the war.OBAMA 08!

  • Susan M. Schultz

    I don’t get it. It’s like a Kevin Bacon joke, this guilt by near-association.Why don’t we stick to the immorality of the war, the Katrina disaster, and the dozens of other ethical “lapses” by the Bush/McCain people, instead of wondering how close–exactly–Obama is to people who say things from the pulpit of the church he attends.

  • Anonymous

    “First, what is it about that particular pulpit that brings out the inner Chris Rock in assorted Men of God?”Well. Its not God that makes them all sound like Chris(EVERYBODY HATES CHRIS)Rock. But whatever it is- its gonna stick like glue. Its clear this pulpit is a magnet for HATE spouting Pastors and if you sat in the pew there for a month- you would know it. Ber-blau says:”I don’t doubt that he truly deplores this type of rhetoric.”I do. He NEVER NEVER would have sat in this church for years or named these men as his spiritual mentors without kbowledge and tacit agreement.

  • Anonymous

    You forgot to mention the money trail. This is from today’s Chicago Tribune:

  • Elariia

    I’m an Obama supporter, but I think both Wright and Pfleger should be stripped of their collars. What kind of so-called gospel are they preaching!?Yuk!I don’t believe Obama holds these pastors’ views, but I do wonder how he could tolerate listening to either one of them.

  • Mandelay

    You forgot to mention the money trail. This is from today’s Chicago Tribune:

  • Kevin99999

    My question is how does a person like this gets to be a pastor who are supposed to have judicious temperament…yet he is acting like a street bum and bums on MSNBC.

  • Ho

    I do not believe Mr Barak Obama is sincere in his quest for the US presidency. His past is too loaded with left wing and the extreme side of it, to truly think he is the kind of Democrat renaissance. Good talking (with a definite revenge from some obscure past), good education do not lend you the top job of the nation. Hillary Clinton with her combat strenght and vigor mesmerized me tremendously and my hat to her resilience . I wish the DNC has the guts and honesty to put her up instead of Obama.

  • j

    I think this is actually quite funny!

  • TruthMatters

    Bet this gets posted

  • j

    I think this is actually quite funny!

  • Anonymous

    IDONTBELIEVEIT SAID:MOST OF THE QUOTES I GAVE ARE directly from the James H. Cone book “Black Theology and Black Power.” This is his seminal book on black liberation theology, and can be purchased at Amazon.com or even Trinity United Church’s website bookstore. When I started researching Obama’s so-called religion, I felt that I must do much more than just surf the web. I’ve read some of Cone’s books, and I must warn you that all of that racism and hate makes for a very depressing read.

  • AMviennaVA

    I do not see the problem here. I have made fun of Clinton for her ‘perseverance’ and obduracy on this matter. If she was ahead (as Obama is) she would be complaining that the contender is hurting the Democrats’ chances in November. And it is true: the contender right now is doing everything possible to make McCain/McBush look good.The lady needs to learn that NO (from us voters) does indeed mean NO.

  • Nordstrom

    Oh, please. You mean to tell me this guy said anything more offensive than recent things we’ve heard from John Hagee, Rod Parsley, Geraldine Ferraro or, ahem, Hillary Clinton?Move along, media. Nothing to see here. Now, about that matter of media complicity in the runup to the Iraq war, and the Pentagon propaganda thing that — hah! — no one’s reporting on ..

  • Dijamo

    Is it just me or is all this hatred and mocking very much un-Christian-like? He’s a preacher who is supposed to be responsible for teaching the Bible and that is the best he can come up with? Can anyone quote me from the Bible anywhere that endorses mocking and hatred and venom? He then apologizes to Senator Obama for offending his political goals but certainly not to Senator Clinton for the substance of his remarks. And on a larger scale how is that type of sermon appropriate in a Church founded on allegedly Christian values?Despicable. Revoke their tax exempt charity status. It is no longer a Church; it is a political organization period.I realize that I wrote that first part too hastily in anger and irritation. Their tax exempt status should not be revoked as they are really just worshipping at the Church of Messiah Obama which is clearly not affiliated with Jesus Christ as his Church is based on the following principles which Trinity Church is clearly not familiar with:A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another (John 13:34).But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you (Luke 6:27-28).Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse (Romans 12:14).We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it (1 Corinthians 4:12).Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good (Romans 12:17-21).Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing (1 Peter 3:9).Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble (1 John 2:9-10).

  • Nadine Rizoni

    I am a life long liberal Democrat who has been a Hillary supporter. I had figured that if Hillary did not win the nomination I would support who ever was the candidate of the Democrats. However, I am now having second thoughts. I have seen Hillary maligned over and over again and have been called a racist by Sen. Obama supporters. It’s gone too far. If Sen. Clinton is not the nominee, then I will either not vote in the presidential election or will, for the first time in my life, vote for a Republican. If nothing else, this will be my protest to what I thought was my party but now see it has abandoned me.I suppose some will now declare me a racist. They should look in the mirror first.

  • Wade De Loe

    Wow! Great Article. I really enjoyed reading it. I’m glad this isn’t being swept under the rug. How can anyone not find this incredibly offensive? Thanks,

  • Doug Carey

    Once again, Obama’s only regrets are getting caught. Twenty years of hate and we should believe this man wants to unite us?

  • Kevin99999

    I also find this pastor’s comments to be representative of mean-spiritedness of Obama’s supporters in general.

  • Wanda Kurtcu

    Once again, we have someone making comments with no idea that EVERYTHING and ANYTHING can be come public record almost immediately. This is an issue with my generation (over 50) who are not computer/internet literate. I teach computer and internet use to middle school students. I emphasize that everything and anything they post online is immediately available to the public. Now we have people that use cell phones to record/video events and they post them online at various sites. No place is sacred, especially public venues such as places of worship. I guess what really irritates me is that there is no thought as to what should be said about people in the public arena. These pastors, both Obama’s and McCain’s, who try to inspire their congregations, wind up being divisive. Ms. Clinton, who also has used words to divide, is another example of making bad choices.We, as a society in the 21st Century, have to rise above all of this and look at individuals based on ‘the content of their character’, to quote Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

  • dee

    So this is Obama’s view of Church?It has become obvious that this is a political organization. Their tax-exempt status should be revoked.

  • rlc

    I am an avid Senator Clinton supporter and have always tried to maintain an open mind and speak favorably of Senator Obama. After reading this article and viewing the video I am done with Senator Obama. If he becomes the Democratic nominee we are doomed. The Republicans will smear this and the other skeletons in Obama’s closet to high noon.Delegates and Super Delegates please do not endorse Senator Obama. If you do…..you will not get my vote.

  • rlc

    I am an avid Senator Clinton supporter and have always tried to maintain an open mind and speak favorably of Senator Obama. After reading this article and viewing the video I am done with Senator Obama. If he becomes the Democratic nominee we are doomed. The Republicans will smear this and the other skeletons in Obama’s closet to high noon.Delegates and Super Delegates please do not endorse Senator Obama. If you do…..you will not get my vote.

  • jhbyer

    The press is making an issue out of candidates’ associations, while most of what’s related to them merits less than a footnote Proven lies from feds in flag pins on our tax payroll are reported as palatable, even delicious, whereas soft bigotry from private citizens is presented as too much to stomach. Conservative celebs, who frame sensitivity to minorities as stifling political correctness, are undone by the word “whitey” and demand stores remove Hillary nutcrackers. As a female whitey, I thought those nutcrackers were a compliment.

  • dee

    So this is Obama’s view of Church?It has become obvious that this is a political organization. Their tax-exempt status should be revoked.

  • Lu Franklin

    This situation is ANOTHER prime example of why our framers included “SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE”!!!!!!

  • zephyr99

    This is yet another example of a disgraceful Catholic priest, as if the Church needs any more examples. Apart from his “inspiring” message of contempt on a Sunday morning, I love Fr. Pfleger’s parody of “the black man” in front of an adoring black audience. Only the “blackface” (a la Al Jolson) was missing. What is wrong with the Church, not to mention the country?

  • isupreme

    A White Catholic preacher is spouting what is being called “Black liberation theology” and it is Obama’s fault? LOL

  • Harriett Heisey

    Well, this just solidifies my determination to not vote for the presidential candidate (Obama or McCain) in the general election in November. I watched the Pflager (sp) video and he is a disgusting man. The congregation cheering, jumping up and down as they greeted his ridicule of Hillary Clinton is equally disgusting. I notice Obama is not distancing himself from this clique as he remains a long-time member.

  • Sunny

    Joe Smith – what an idiot!! I guess that also means that John McCain is not a legal citizen of the US since he was born on a US base in a foreign country while his father served his country. Just the fact that Obama’s mother was a US citizen would be enough to make him a citizen of the US. I wonder if most Hawaiian citizens paying taxes and recieving benefits are totally unaware they are not citizens of the US. As I said – What an idiot!!

  • loco_moco

    Trying to hang this on Barack is absolute and arrant nonsense. He isn’t a Catholic; Pfleger isn’t a friend or even an acquaintance. So on what basis can anyone point fingers at Barack?In fact, the only ones who will have the gall to do so are those who are already opposed to him and looking for any opportunity to slam him. They are not interested in fairness, only in character assassination.I guess we have to devise a new term for this:Guilt-by-association-by-association.And it’s pitiful and pathetic, like the folks who are trying to perpetrate it.

  • jquinn

    As a female chicagoan, I am upset by the lack of control the Obama campaign has over this Church, that is obviously under a microscope after Rev. Wright. Are we to next await an appearance from Rev. Meeks from the Trinity Circus Tent??? That would be a perfect trifecta.

  • M.A. T.

    My Goodness!!! He sounds like Peggy Noonan.

  • Kevin99999

    I like the idea of a non-caucasian as U.S. President…but I am not convinced that Obama has enough of a resume for me to vote for him.

  • chris

    A standing ovation for this “holy man?” His retoric is strait out of the Tailban’s “How-to” book. And he is yet another “spiritual adviser” to the man who wants to “lead the free world?” Give me a break! You know, racism cuts both ways, and this individual … and those applauding him … and those who failed to stand up to him at their own peril (in their own church for gods sake!) when it was happening (the way Rosa Parks did alone on a bus) demonstrate racisms repugnance all too well. Over the course of my life I have had many African American friends, just as I have been the witness and the object of racial assaults by black individuals against white people. These people applauding at Trinity Church remind me of the people who stood by (in front of a grade school while their children were being let out) while I was mugged by three black guys and cut with a knife. No one, not one in the crowd of 50 or 100 people, called the police … or even yelled at the muggers to set a principle in front of their children. They just let it happen. Not one Rosa Parks in the whole crowd. FTR, I however (perhaps foolishly) have, despite being strait, intervened directly when a group of 6-8 white thugs from the suburbs came to Greenwich Village on a “Fag Bashing Outing.” So I think I have the right to speak on this sort of behavior, perhaps a little more so than Mr. Obama and his fellow parishioners … from their pews and pulpits. You know, as a white teenager at school in Harlem in the 1970′s, I remember one day a year that every kid like me watched out for … in abject fear. It was called “Kill Whitey Day.” Literally, that’s what they called it (people, I expect, like some of those applauding in this video). And it wasn’t just at our school. I had friends all over NYC who knew about “Kill Whitey Day.” We watched our backs, some of us stayed home (especially the white girls) and we didn’t go out alone if they were in the “wrong” neighborhood. FTR, MANY of my black friends didn’t partake and stood side-by-side with the white students ON THAT DAY, at their own peril and ostrization by other blacks, to provide cover for the white students. I remember that like it was yesterday. There were some very scary moments and people got physically hurt (white and black). This atrocity of the Black Community still goes on today. Just Google it if you doubt me. So, before anyone, black or white, and especially the members of Trinity Church Congregation (who have actually done so many good things for their community, black and white) start throwing stones from their pulpit, again, maybe they should stop and hold a mirror up to themselves. But of course, they would have to stop clapping to do so. And while we’re at it, let’s not give Mr. Obama a free pass to the White House on this. His attempts to … pretend he didn’t know, … wasn’t there at the time … or his failure to recognized on balance the double-edged sword of such bald-faced prejudiced … are ringing hollower and hollower. His abstract tangential obsfucation in Philadelphia was a classic debating trick to change the conversation when you can’t win on principle. Fine talk there Mr. Obama, but I wouldn’t want you at my back in a street fight. Talk is, after all, cheap, and safe (unless you want to be president, as it turns out). If Mr. Obama didn’t know, he should have. He wants to be the “uniter” president, after all, (like our current president before he got into office, ugh!). And, his denials of having similar racist beliefs (which I fully expect are true) would be much more valuable if he had taken a stand on principle at the time, … instead signing these “Pastors” onto his campaign team and waiting until after he had no choice but to respond. Crisis management 101, get in front of the story. Don’t your campaign people know the rules of the game? You’re going to be going up against Swift-boaters for god’s sake!!!Frankly, at this point I cast Mr. Obama’s revisionist behavior in the same mold as Mr. McClellan. Wanting it both ways is hardly what I call “change” in a politician. If Obama wanted my support (a white liberal with a masters degree, FTR), he should have spoken up at the time, pro actively, instead leaving it until he had no choice and so much to lose. …Oh, if he could only whitewash the past, but that’s not the way statesmen are elected, nor the way they should behave. As for me, I’m writing in Al Gore so at least I CAN live with my conscience.

  • Sunny

    Joe Smith – what an idiot!! I guess that also means that John McCain is not a legal citizen of the US since he was born on a US base in a foreign country while his father served his country. Just the fact that Obama’s mother was a US citizen would be enough to make him a citizen of the US. I wonder if most Hawaiian citizens paying taxes and recieving benefits are totally unaware they are not citizens of the US. As I said – What an idiot!!

  • Deborah

    It’s too bad that it’s almost June and there has been little to no policy discussion or debate. Corporate Media will conduct another campaign focused on preachers, electoral process, and swift boaters. News Flash: No one cares about Obama’s or McCain’s preacher problems. …except Clinton and Rove, of course.

  • TSR

    Is Obama still a member of Trinity United Church? Do his children go there on Sundays? What in Gods name will it take for Obama to LEAVE THAT CHURCH?

  • Hobbs

    That pastor speaks the truth-Truth hurtsBut he should not have done it, but some people have no self control.Nothing here-Time to move on-we have seen this kind of ‘guilt by association’ tactic & ‘kitchen sink’ strategy before from the Clintons and Republicans.Hasn’t worked before and not gonna work this time against Senator Obama!

  • psps23

    Why does everyone continue to lump in Obama supporters’ views with Obama’s views himself? Once again, what this guy says has NOTHING to do with what Obama believes. I recently watched interviews from West Virginia of Hillary Clinton supporters stating why they voted for Hillary. Quoted: “I guess it would have to be the black thing, the fact that we’ve had so many problems in the past with them.” AND “I don’t like the Hussein thing. I’ve had enough of Hussein.” Why do we continue to assume supporters of Obama reflect the views of Obama himself? Does this mean that Hillary also believes that she’s more qualified than Obama because of the “black thing” and the “Hussein thing”? All these completely indirect associations need to stop.

  • Stephen Rose

    I’ve provided some context for this on my blog The context is important because this is an understandable phenomenon all around.By getting through it, Barack will choose to be much more theologically relevant than his “friends” for whom immature catharsis rhetoric is hardly helpful.

  • naner

    We all have friends that will say things that are totally opposite of what we believe. And since none of us can control what our children, or spouses, or parents, or friends say-why are we holding presidential candidates to standards which we all know we can’t hold ourselves too. It seems we now expect candidates to be totally perfect-almost Godlike. If we are looking for that, then no one can be elected to the office. Also was Obama even there when the comments were made? Is he responsible now to the sermon content done at his home church? I think we are being too picky, looking for reasons to not elect him.

  • Sid

    May be the preacher was tired and misspoke.If so wouldn’t that excuse make everything alright?

  • brian

    This article is pure trash. It’s amazing that a “universtity scholar’s exploration and debate” concerning “religion in the news” could be as mindless as the latest Olberman/OReilly feud. For example: Berlinerblau asks, “Fourth, and most importantly[!], what will be the fallout for the Obama campaign?” Where does he come off saying that political fallout is the “most important” issue? The Post is a newspaper not a racing form! If people want the horse race version of political ‘journalism,’ they don’t need a Professor of Jewish Civilization. They need Bill OReilly, who’s experience on Entertainment Tonight makes him far more qualified to spew garbage like that. Not only that but Berlinerblau seems to mock Obama for asking that comments made in the Black Church be understood in context. As the resident expert on religion, it’s Berlinerblau’s job to help provide a context for understanding complex topics such as Black Liberation Theology. Instead he writes off context entirely and gives us the same mindless trash we could find on cable news.In the following paragraph, Berlinerblau further demonstrates his lack of insight when he says, “in a general election a presidential candidate typically moves to the center. It is now going to be even harder for Obama to do that since America keeps seeing footage of his friends who stand to the left of Fidel Castro.” What sort of left/right schema is he working with? Trinity Church is concerned with Black struggle and liberation. Economic equality is a very big part of that, but to associate the church with Cuban socialism — or even US liberalism — is misleading. Such a comparison charicatures the Black Church in a way that seems to lump it in with the ‘far-left’ moveon.org wing of the Democratic Party. But as Obama made clear in his “More Perfect Union” speech, there is much about the Church — its emphasis on Self-Reliance and I would add Tradition — that can be aptly be described as conservative. Put simply, Berlinerblau owes his readers a more nuanced discussion of issues that pays more attention to questions of context and substance than to thoughtless speculations about who’s gonna win the race.

  • Enemy Of The State

    Father Pfleger’s comments, while theatrical and over top, have the ring of truth (and it’s called ‘humor’ people – get over yourselves).Watching Clinton’s near weekly meltdowns and innapropriate comments (hard working white people; citing Bobby Kennedy’s assassination as a reason to stay in the race, the men are ganging up on me – boo hoo, etc.), one has to wonder if there is anything she wouldn’t do to win the nomination. And that seems to come from an inflated sense of entitlement.

  • Marc Edward

    As Obama has repudiated the comments in question, it’s kind of moot. It’s not like when Clinton brought up that she’s staying in the race till Obama is killed, or the way McCain was unaware that his reverands thought Hitler was an agent of god.

  • izak

    You hould not blame Obama for what other Pastor or Priest says. Can you tell me that someone you know has never made comments that you don’t like. Judge Obama based on what he says, not what a reverend so so so says.Izak

  • dmw

    Why is this story (only) in the “on-faith” heavenly-blue-glowing ghetto of this National Newspaper? The apparent necessity of this editorial decision, to privilege the religious view on the political implications of Pfleger’s commentary, conclusively illustrates the WaPo’s determination to dumb itself down into a proper Local Newspaper.

  • Hillary lost

    Only in a world this insane would so many people be hung up on what a preacher says. We need a virus that kills off dumb people.

  • Fred Jones

    I am more than amused by the Obama apologists who suggest that we should not consider any of his associations as relevant to his character and judgment. They say that since Obama himself did not spout the racist and anti-American remarks, we should not consider any such remarks, or any of his associations when deciding whether or not he is a suitable President. They say that we should only consider statement made by Obama himself; a man who is trying to convince us that he is the appropriate choice as the leader of our nation. We’re supposed to ignore the racist and anti-American rants of Rev. Wright, his 20-year “mentor and spiritual adviser.” We’re supposed to ignore his new pastor, Otis Moss who, in a fiery sermon, claimed retired pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright was “lynched” by the media and compared the embattled pastor to Jesus; and who refused to deny claims by Wright that the U.S. government was involved in distributing illegal drugs to minorities or spreading the AIDS virus to blacks. We are supposed to ignore another Obama adviser, Rev. Meeks, and his racist and anti-gay sermons. We are supposed to Obama’s friend and patron of 17 years, the indicted Tony Rezko and all of Obama’s equivocations about their relationship. We are supposed to ignore his friendship with William Ayres, the unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist who bombed the Pentagon and a police station. And now, we are supposed to ignore the racist and despicable rants of another of Obama’s long-time friends and advisers, Father Pfleger. Just how many racists and terrorists does this man have to associate with before the public finally realizes that he is the company he keeps?

  • BGone

    This brings to mind the old anti smoking add from years back. The cigarette turns into a cobra and the announcer says, “what do cigarettes have to do to you before you get the message.”What does religion have to do to Obama before he gets the message? What does religion have to do to America before Americans get the message?Obama, Clinton and McCain all three know the Bible is a proved hoax. It’s verified by the highest authority at the university. Their silence and that of the university tells us religion holds a gun at the head of America.It will take a real American hero to shoot back and not just side step it as best they can. Is Obama that hero? Clinton or McCain have the guts? These are the ones that want to lead the nation. To where do they have in mind, hell?

  • Yockel

    Please, mocking an opposing candidate might not be in the best of taste but it is not a big deal either.

  • J. Irving Steinberg

    I am a Jewish man sick and tired of the self-appointed spokespersons, especially Jewish ones, resorting to Joe McCarthy’s tacticts of smear by association as Berlinerblau does here. He writes as if Obama, for whom I will vote, spoke the words he slams, spoken by a preacher of some sort. This preacher is not Obama. Obama rejects his remarks. Berlinerblau is not the insane Jewish Defense League, but I would bet I could dig up a time he had a relationship, however tenuous, with some of those nuts. Columns like this do nothing to enlighten readers about qualifications of the candidates for president. Instead, Berlinerblau seeks to distract readers and voters from true issues by waving the bloody shirt of this preacher’s words. As far as I know, the preacher will not appear on my ballot when I vote in November.

  • Kadavul

    “What Else Can We At Trinity Do to Further Assure that the United States Does Not Have Its First African-American President Any Time Soon?”How convenient!It is not that church diminishing the chance of African-American. These are samples of what Obama is hiding from public. I pity him, for those come back and haunt him. But, denial and claiming that they did not have any influence on Obama is simply not acceptable. You cannot simply take people for granted. These are not attacks on foreign country thousand miles away. The attacks by his religious mentors, and occasionally by his spouse are directly at our own people, our own fellow Democrats.There is a simple solution to this. He has to wait and to be seen in public, so that people will clear their doubts about him for ever. A VP position is the highest we can aspire for him. Or we can run him for Presidency and loose the White House to McCain.

  • rose

    I feel sorry for those cheering people. There is that white hypocrite that’s messing with them. They’re being manipulated and they fall for it all. I’m afraid that maybe Obama is doing the same. He may be playing the black card to get the black votes, but he fails short when asked to take a side. Where he was when the Jenna six incident was happening. He said nothing.

  • rose

    I feel sorry for those cheering people. There is that white hypocrite that’s messing with them. They’re being manipulated and they fall for it all. I’m afraid that maybe Obama is doing the same. He may be playing the black card to get the black votes, but he fails short when asked to take a side. Where he was when the Jenna six incident was happening. He said nothing.

  • rose

    I feel sorry for those cheering people. There is that white hypocrite that’s messing with them. They’re being manipulated and they fall for it all. I’m afraid that maybe Obama is doing the same. He may be playing the black card to get the black votes, but he fails short when asked to take a side. Where he was when the Jenna six incident was happening. He said nothing.

  • rose

    I feel sorry for those cheering people. There is that white hypocrite that’s messing with them. They’re being manipulated and they fall for it all. I’m afraid that maybe Obama is doing the same. He may be playing the black card to get the black votes, but he fails short when asked to take a side. Where he was when the Jenna six incident was happening. He said nothing.

  • Tony Gillotte

    The story is harmless and only brings out the nutcases like you Mr. Berlingblau who are petrified to see a multi-racial US president accede to the position. Your terrified that Obama is someone who is not afraid to take on Israel and its 3 billion dollar per annum, best ally in middle east, fabrication. So you jump to smear.Remember it was Israel which went ahead with talks with Syria while the US government pleaded with it to stay away. It is Israel that has the nuclear weapons in the middle east, thus challenging other countries in the area to do the same. It is Israel which practices indiscriminate bombing of milk factories in neighboring countries and afterwards uses the excuse they are nuclear weapons facilities.And the list goes on endlessly. But when President Carter dares to raise his voice in measured criticism of Israel and its policies towards Palestinians, you and your friends (Foxman, Dershowitz etal) cannot abide by it and start the namecalling and spreading of vicious propaganda that Mr. Carter is an anti semite. This time it wont work. This time its different.Meanwhile, you are currently caught up in a panic because the strangle hold that AIPAC held on US congress may finally be weakening. And even your own supporters dont buy the argument that Israel is in mortal danger. In fact, the contributions by your supporters continues to decrease. Its time to settle this problem andf stop waving the guilt obsessed holocaust in front of American eyes. Which country do you and your ilk owe allegiance to, Mr. Berlingblau?Finally, the smear campaign continues, this time singling out a Catholic priest who dared to tell the truth about the bawling, whining, complaining female presidential aspirant. She may be tenacious but not because she is courageous, but because she is willing to pull out all the dirty tricks in her bag to try to wrest the nomination away from a fresh faced newcomer to national politics. I predict, like Mr. Rupert Murdoch, that the dems will win this election in a landslide. Mr. McCain can go back to his womanizing and boozy Bangkok bars and wonder why he was left in a cloud of dust.Nice try, Mr. Berlingblau, but your attempts to smear Mr. Obama with yet another brush simply wont work. The Trinity Church is a place of progressive politics in a neighborhood of progressively political people. And they have every right to live and practice their own style of politics the way they want to, without a preening, loquacious so-called columnist braying about whether Ms Clinton cried because she was personally denied her right to the White House.Live with it. The time is ripe for change. Yes, we already have accomplished the change you abhor.Tony Gillotte

  • rose

    I feel sorry for those cheering people. There is that white hypocrite that’s messing with them. They’re being manipulated and they fall for it all. I’m afraid that maybe Obama is doing the same. He may be playing the black card to get the black votes, but he fails short when asked to take a side. Where he was when the Jenna six incident was happening. He said nothing.

  • tcement

    STOP THE PRESS. Catholic Church declares opposition to all women, all the time. (Save for a certain fictional virgin.)This is news? Hell, given priestly sexual preferences, is this even a surprise?

  • rose

    I feel sorry for those cheering people. There is that white hypocrite that’s messing with them. They’re being manipulated and they fall for it all. I’m afraid that maybe Obama is doing the same. He may be playing the black card to get the black votes, but he fails short when asked to take a side. Where he was when the Jenna six incident was happening. He said nothing.

  • MTerry

    Reposted with additional comment at bottom.Fred Jones is my new hero. I encourage others to read his comment below. I for one do believe in the principal of actions being more telling than rhetoric. Inaction, in this case constitutes conscious decision. To remain associated with a church and spiritual advisors who have made and continue to make racist comments and carry overtly racist views is unacceptable and inexcusable, especially from a man who in public rhetoric is preaching the unity doctrine.I am having trouble believing that the sound bites that have come to light since the campaign began are the first times that these men have expressed these views. I think it is a hard pill to swallow that in Obama’s long associations with these men; he was unaware that they held views that were contradictory and inflammatory to the cause of a unified nation beyond the segregated self interest of race. Only now, when these comments are damaging to Obama’s credibility as a unifier does he distance himself from a pastor and spiritual advisor of 20 years? It just feels disingenuous. It feels like when you let something you are thinking slip out in the heat of an argument and then try desperately to back peddle and say, “Just joking, you don’t think I really feel that way do you?”I like Obama. I am just becoming less sure that I know who Obama is. His long association with a racist church and close ties with men who feel strong enough about their racist ideology to express it publicly, (How many cameras do you think they were looking into while speaking these words?) just makes me question the conviction and authenticity of Obama’s public statements on race. I want a unifier, but I am not willing pick just anyone who claims to be a unifier. I want a unifier in deed as well as in word.I truly hope that Obama’s can find a way to show me that he is that man. He may be the closest thing we have to choose from in this election. It saddens me to think that I may have to make a decision in this race based not on what I think a candidate will do to bring us together, but what I think the candidate will not do to tear us apart.”. . . one Nation under God, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for All.”That needs to mean something to the next president of our country. New Comment: To those that are posting the, “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” comments, I understand what you are saying about how we all have people in our lives that would probably reflect poorly on us if we ever ran for office. But the simple fact is that we are not running for office. When did we stop holding our elected officials to a higher standard? These are supposed to the best people that our country can put forth as examples of what we as Americans value in our national identity. They are not supposed to be like us, they are supposed to be the reflection of what we all strive to be. Not everyone is good enough to be the President.

  • Dewight R. Williams

    Oh please, if he didn’t just make a piognant joke at Hillary’s expense. I’m sure Barack Obama isn’t happy with the statement, but 99.9% of all people of color probably totally agree with his statement. I’m a 40 year old white guy who’d vote for Hillary in the general and I think he’s funny and nailed it. She lost this campaign because she didn’t take the black guy seriously, she thought she had it in the bag, and she is entitled to the nomination based on a number of factors. She ran a crap campaign, went negative, showed her desperation, and turned alot of smart people off. Now she’s appealing to the base, and I mean base of the party. I can’t wait to vote for Barack in the general, and yes the US is very racist, and this may hurt our chances of winning, but I have faith this test will expose and transform us as a nation

  • Anonymous

    As many of you know, the DNC rules committee is meeting tomorrow to figure out how they can artfully deprive Hillary of the votes cast in Florida and Michigan. It is important to know that although Obama, his supporters, the DNC and party elite, and the mainstream media have conspired to marginalize the millions of Democrats who have voted for Hillary, or who do not support Obama, they will now be using every trick in the book to “bring the party together” to further the ruthless ambitions of Obama and the party elite. They will want you to forget all about the months and months of biased press, the biased party elite, the insults, and the race-cards. They will want you to forget that the Democratic Party now is the party that stands for disenfranchisement and the rationalization of racism, if it results in the nomination of their hand-picked candidate. They will use any and all devices to persuade you to vote for the man who they have preordained as the Democratic nominee. DON’T FALL FOR IT! Whether you want to write-in Hillary, if possible, vote for John McCain rather than Obama, or sit out the election, remember that your action or inaction could result in the election of the inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless, divisive, black liberation theology believing, terrorist befriending, race-card throwing Obama. NOTE: PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COPY AND PASTE THIS COMMENT ONTO ANY BLOG OF YOUR CHOICE. WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT.

  • rose

    I feel sorry for those cheering people. There is that white hypocrite that’s messing with them. They’re being manipulated and they fall for it all. I’m afraid that maybe Obama is doing the same. He may be playing the black card to get the black votes, but he fails short when asked to take a side. Where he was when the Jenna six incident was happening. He said nothing.

  • Robert Hurley

    Itn’t it a stretch to make a huge connection in this case. He is a visiting homolist at this church. Although there are some other connections to Obama, it is not like Obama subscribed to his way of looking at race. I am sure that Brit Hume and Sean hannity willjump on this, but I am not sure it will have legs enough to make an impact on voters who are on the fence.

  • rose

    I feel sorry for those cheering people. There is that white hypocrite that’s messing with them. They’re being manipulated and they fall for it all. I’m afraid that maybe Obama is doing the same. He may be playing the black card to get the black votes, but he fails short when asked to take a side. Where he was when the Jenna six incident was happening. He said nothing.

  • rose

    I feel sorry for those cheering people. There is that white hypocrite that’s messing with them. They’re being manipulated and they fall for it all. I’m afraid that maybe Obama is doing the same. He may be playing the black card to get the black votes, but he fails short when asked to take a side. Where he was when the Jenna six incident was happening. He said nothing.

  • Hobbs

    If Jay Leno or David Letterman had said this nobody would care!The priest was trying to be funny people! Not funny if you are a Clinton supporter!Get a grip on yourselves folks: There are more important things such as people dying in Darfur; and our men and women of the armed forces becoming casualties in an unjust war: where were the cries of indignation then?

  • Fred Jones

    As many of you know, the DNC rules committee is meeting tomorrow to figure out how they can artfully deprive Hillary of the votes cast in Florida and Michigan. It is important to know that although Obama, his supporters, the DNC and party elite, and the mainstream media have conspired to marginalize the millions of Democrats who have voted for Hillary, or who do not support Obama, they will now be using every trick in the book to “bring the party together” to further the ruthless ambitions of Obama and the party elite. They will want you to forget all about the months and months of biased press, the biased party elite, the insults, and the race-cards. They will want you to forget that the Democratic Party now is the party that stands for disenfranchisement and the rationalization of racism, if it results in the nomination of their hand-picked candidate. They will use any and all devices to persuade you to vote for the man who they have preordained as the Democratic nominee. DON’T FALL FOR IT!Whether you want to write-in Hillary, if possible, vote for John McCain rather than Obama, or sit out the election, remember that your action or inaction could result in the election of the inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless, divisive, black liberation theology believing, terrorist befriending, race-card throwing Obama. NOTE: PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COPY AND PASTE THIS COMMENT ONTO ANY BLOG OF YOUR CHOICE. WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT.

  • Fran Taylor

    Let’s hear from his grocer, his mailman, his tailor, and his car mechanic. I am sure they all have meaningful insight, too.

  • Faithy Graham

    so what you are on the outside looking in and stating your opions. Now you are doing the race card.

  • Fred Jones

    I am more than amused by the Obama apologists who suggest that we should not consider any of his associations as relevant to his character and judgment. They say that since Obama himself did not spout the racist and anti-American remarks, we should not consider any such remarks, or any of his associations when deciding whether or not he is a suitable President. They say that we should only consider statement made by Obama himself; a man who is trying to convince us that he is the appropriate choice as the leader of our nation. We’re supposed to ignore the racist and anti-American rants of Rev. Wright, his 20-year “mentor and spiritual adviser.” We’re supposed to ignore his new pastor, Otis Moss who, in a fiery sermon, claimed retired pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright was “lynched” by the media and compared the embattled pastor to Jesus; and who refused to deny claims by Wright that the U.S. government was involved in distributing illegal drugs to minorities or spreading the AIDS virus to blacks. We are supposed to ignore another Obama adviser, Rev. Meeks, and his racist and anti-gay sermons. We are supposed to ignore Obama’s friend and patron of 17 years, the indicted Tony Rezko and all of Obama’s equivocations about their relationship. We are supposed to ignore his friendship with William Ayres, the unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist who bombed the Pentagon and a police station. And now, we are supposed to ignore the racist and despicable rants of another of Obama’s long-time friends and advisers, Father Pfleger. Just how many racists and terrorists does this man have to associate with before the public finally realizes that he is the company he keeps?

  • Fred Jones

    I am more than amused by the Obama apologists who suggest that we should not consider any of his associations as relevant to his character and judgment. They say that since Obama himself did not spout the racist and anti-American remarks, we should not consider any such remarks, or any of his associations when deciding whether or not he is a suitable President. They say that we should only consider statement made by Obama himself; a man who is trying to convince us that he is the appropriate choice as the leader of our nation. We’re supposed to ignore the racist and anti-American rants of Rev. Wright, his 20-year “mentor and spiritual adviser.” We’re supposed to ignore his new pastor, Otis Moss who, in a fiery sermon, claimed retired pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright was “lynched” by the media and compared the embattled pastor to Jesus; and who refused to deny claims by Wright that the U.S. government was involved in distributing illegal drugs to minorities or spreading the AIDS virus to blacks. We are supposed to ignore another Obama adviser, Rev. Meeks, and his racist and anti-gay sermons. We are supposed to ignore Obama’s friend and patron of 17 years, the indicted Tony Rezko and all of Obama’s equivocations about their relationship. We are supposed to ignore his friendship with William Ayres, the unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist who bombed the Pentagon and a police station. And now, we are supposed to ignore the racist and despicable rants of another of Obama’s long-time friends and advisers, Father Pfleger. Just how many racists and terrorists does this man have to associate with before the public finally realizes that he is the company he keeps?

  • erndog

    Silly Sid. It doesn’t matter if he was tired or misspoke, because clearly he’s for “Change”. BTW: you are racist if you are against “Change” too.

  • erndog

    Silly Sid. It doesn’t matter if he was tired or misspoke, because clearly he’s for “Change”. BTW: you are racist if you are against “Change” too.

  • Jane

    Obama really seems to be uniting the Democrats. Wow, he’s a real piece of work. He lets his surrogates and the media demonize Hillary, and then he wants my vote ? I’ll take my chances with McCain, thank you.

  • Who Cares

    I don’t see what the big deal is. Hillary did think she was anoited. I am a Obama supported and was an Edwards, Clinton supporter also but I like thousand or even millions of others assumed that Hillary was going to win the nomination. Truth wins out – he may have been a little uncouth in his words but every one knows what he said was the truth why else would Clinton now be playing the race card by saying that “white middle class, etc. would vote for her….” I’m from WV.

  • Who Cares

    I don’t see what the big deal is. Hillary did think she was anoited. I am a Obama supported and was an Edwards, Clinton supporter also but I like thousand or even millions of others assumed that Hillary was going to win the nomination. Truth wins out – he may have been a little uncouth in his words but every one knows what he said was the truth why else would Clinton now be playing the race card by saying that “white middle class, etc. would vote for her….” I’m from WV.

  • Dee Tate

    Who the hell cares about what this man said? If Obama didn’t say those words, then it should not be an issue! If all of us were held accountable for every wrong word that came out of our friends and family members mouths, we would all be screwed! The way I see it, no one can find any “real dirt” on Obama, so they try to make a big deal about this type of bull%*%*! It’s getting old!!!!!!

  • candide

    Hillary is the straight A student turned down by a top law school because it needed to reserve a place for a black affirmative action applicant. That’s probably how she sees all this.

  • Dee Tate

    Who the hell cares about what this man said? If Obama didn’t say those words, then it should not be an issue! If all of us were held accountable for every wrong word that came out of our friends and family members mouths, we would all be screwed! The way I see it, no one can find any “real dirt” on Obama, so they try to make a big deal about this type of bull%*%*! It’s getting old!!!!!!

  • Diane

    I have no clue what it is that Senator Obama supports are seeing or hearing from him that I am not. I tend to trust my gut feeling about people. When they show and tell me who they are I believe them. Senator Obama has lied about his unfortunate relationships and demonstrated that he is not who he professes to be. His after-the-fact apoligies are unbelievable. His wife Michelle is no different. What exactly has Senator Obama promised to deliver as President of the United States? Change, what change? I want specifics. To date he has proven that he was right in his assessment of going to war. Then he made the decision to vote to fund the war. And? Why did he do that? Seems to me that because he was right on the war issue that his poor judgment in his personal dealings and relationships should not be overlooked, ignored or chalked up to blunders, bone-headed ideas or distractions when others want to discuss it.

  • DickeyFuller

    ~Yet another reason why Clinton should stay in the race through the convention.By August, Obama will completely unelectable (just as John Kerry was in 2004).Better to keep our options open.Obama is not qualified.Obama is not electable.~

  • Diane

    I have no clue what it is that Senator Obama supports are seeing or hearing from him that I am not. I tend to trust my gut feeling about people. When they show and tell me who they are I believe them. Senator Obama has lied about his unfortunate relationships and demonstrated that he is not who he professes to be. His after-the-fact apoligies are unbelievable. His wife Michelle is no different. What exactly has Senator Obama promised to deliver as President of the United States? Change, what change? I want specifics. To date he has proven that he was right in his assessment of going to war. Then he made the decision to vote to fund the war. And? Why did he do that? Seems to me that because he was right on the war issue that his poor judgment in his personal dealings and relationships should not be overlooked, ignored or chalked up to blunders, bone-headed ideas or distractions when others want to discuss it.

  • Rafe

    Let’s keep all religious leaders, of all faiths, out of politics.Thank God I’m an atheist.Rafe

  • Jane

    Obama really seems to be uniting the Democrats. Wow, he’s a real piece of work. He lets his surrogates and the media demonize Hillary, and then he wants my vote ? I’ll take my chances with McCain, thank you.

  • sm98yth

    I REALLY THINK THIS IS FUNNY. I ENJOYED THE LAUGH. THAT PRIEST SHOULD BE ON SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE. I BET IF HE WERE ON SNL, WE ALL WOULD HAVE LAUGHED I CAN ONLY GO WITH WHAT OBAMA SAYS. THAT GAL ON SNL WHO PLAYS HILLERY DID THE SAME THING AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME FUN. YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE CARTOONS ON THE INTERNET. THESE ARE FROM NEWSPAPERS AROUND THE COUNTRY. THEY ARE REALLY FUNNY. LIGHTEN US. HAVE FUN. THE MEDIA IS MAKING MONEY. I BET EVERY CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE COUNTRY WISH THEY HAD A PRIEST THAT DID NOT MAKE THEM FEEL THAT THEY WERE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL (CONFESSION OR SHADY BUSINESS DEALS, ADULTRY, FORNICATION, GAY, BIGOTRY,YOU NAME IT); NOT TO MENTION THE DULL SERMONS AND THE CLOUD IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND REGARDING YOUR DONATION GOING TO BAIL OUT THE CHURCH DEBT DUE TO TOO MUCH LOVING THE CHILDREN. BY THE WAY, I HOPE MC CAIN DOESN’T GET SPLASHED BY THE TEXAS MORMANS SINCE HE ASSOCIATES WITH MICK. GUILT BY ASSOCIATION AND NO SENSE OF HUMOR. WHAT A BUNCH OF JERKS. DON’T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF. THERE ARE BIGGER FISH TO FRY.

  • Diane

    I have no clue what it is that Senator Obama supports are seeing or hearing from him that I am not. I tend to trust my gut feeling about people. When they show and tell me who they are I believe them. Senator Obama has lied about his unfortunate relationships and demonstrated that he is not who he professes to be. His after-the-fact apoligies are unbelievable. His wife Michelle is no different. What exactly has Senator Obama promised to deliver as President of the United States? Change, what change? I want specifics. To date he has proven that he was right in his assessment of going to war. Then he made the decision to vote to fund the war. And? Why did he do that? Seems to me that because he was right on the war issue that his poor judgment in his personal dealings and relationships should not be overlooked, ignored or chalked up to blunders, bone-headed ideas or distractions when others want to discuss it.

  • Roinct

    Michelle and Obama. THE MOST DANGEROUS PEOPLE ON EARTH!

  • Anonymous

    DEE TATE SAID: Who the hell cares about what this man said? If Obama didn’t say those words, then it should not be an issue! If all of us were held accountable for every wrong word that came out of our friends and family members mouths, we would all be screwed! The way I see it, no one can find any “real dirt” on Obama, so they try to make a big deal about this type of bull%*%*! It’s getting old!!!!!!I’M JUST WONDERING, if you found out that a Presidential candidate whose public statements were more than acceptable to you, considered Adolf Hitler to be his historical mentor, would that be relevant to you when deciding whether he was a suitable candidate for the Presidency?

  • Michael Lombardi

    Neither the Reverend Wright nor Father Pfleger speak for the Obama campaign, and therefore Senator Obama has nothing for which to apologize with regard to their remarks. The press apparently shares an interest with the Republican Party in making a completely innocent person responsible for the inflammatory remarks of another. I certainly know what the GOP hopes to gain by this tactic, but I think it is completely out of line for the media to contribute to this mindset of, “You know this man, therefore you are responsible for what he says.” In what universe is this a rational and fair critique? This tactic approaches Swift-Boating, and while I expect nothing better from Republicans, I had thought better of the press. Until now, that is. When this election is over, whether Senator Obama becomes President Obama or not, you, the media of the world, owe him a huge apology. Your shame is already the size of Everest, and there are over five months to go before Election Day.

  • Jane

    Obama really seems to be uniting the Democrats. Wow, he’s a real piece of work. He lets his surrogates and the media demonize Hillary, and then he wants my vote ? I’ll take my chances with McCain, thank you.

  • A. White

    I have really had it with the media blasting Senator Obama for things other people say. He nor any of us can be held responsible for what our friends, family, priests, bosses,etc, say or think. This goes for our friends, family, etc. I watched CNN/MSNBC run the Rev. Wright issue for weeks, while they only talked about Senator Clinton’s misspoken words, lack of sleep, her words about JKF’s assassination (which I cannot for the life of me understand what that has to do the election other than exactly what Keith Olberman said, “is she waiting for something (probably hoping) to happen to Senator Obama so can win the nomination?” She has complained about the media not being fair to her, well, as someone who watches these shows every single day, it is definitely the other way around. She constantly misspeaks (not lies according to the media) and I do not believe for one minute that she honestly meant it when she said that if Senator Obama is the nominee, she will work her heart out to help him. How can she run this country’s budget if she cannot even manage her own campaign budget, which as we all know is in huge debt. Her campaign and others call Senator racist and Elitist when she is the one with the millions and keeps saying that it is the white people who are voting for her as if the African-Americans and the Hispanic Americans do not count. If the media wants to be “fair” as they should be, they should run each candidate’s issues the same amount of time, not run one for weeks and the other for two days. The only spoke about McCain’s pastor Hagee’s comments, his wife’s tax returns and Senator Clinton’s “assassination” comments the Friday before Memorial Day, then you have not heard anything about these issues since. The media is not supposed to sway reader/listeners to their beliefs, but to be fair. They have the same people on their shows. They need to start using other people and also need to start taking live comments from us, the people of America. Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    This is just a millionth example of why church and state should not mix. Jacques Berlinerblau is another fine example.

  • Linda Mahoney, Silver Spring, MD

    What regret did Obama express?! He did NOT denounce the remarks as being inaccurate or condescending or disrespectful of a Presidential candidate. The only “regret” Obama seems to have is that it happened – yet again – in his church.If it had been Hillary’s minister or church, you don’t think there would be another round from the media about how she should just quit now?! Even the made-up stuff, like how everyone is so afraid for his safety, was twisted and bent into an excuse for Hillary to be driven out of the race. But Obama gets another pass! No one in the media is calling for him to withdraw. We know how he sounds when he denounces something – like everyone ELSE’s racism! Let’s hear him really denounce his supporters, who have spent months spewing epithets at Hillary and her supporters. We were personally verbally attacked in West Virginia during the last days of the campaign. If these are such high-minded folk, why are their words straight out of the gutter?!And they think we’re going to work for this guy in the fall?! Guess again!!!!!!!!

  • Kevin

    This pastor should be a guest on Saturday Night Live. He would be great.

  • Robert Lemasters

    Come on now, just what do you expect from those who earn a living selling absurd stories and promises to the gullible and naive…..wait who am I talking about, evangelists or politicians?…..damn come to think of it, it could be anybody….even me.

  • Bernie O’Brien

    Rev Pleger is just one of the many, many grossly immature priests that are and were in the priesthood over the last few decades.I don’t fault him for being a rebel and fighting his Cardinal. That might be one of his strong points. The Church is so out of it today in so many ways.But for him to go off in support of any Candidate and bring up touchy issues is a betrayal of his role as a rep of the Catholic people who pay his room and board.The problem with the Father Pflegers in the world today relates to mental illness. Yes. Who else would commit to a lifetime of celibacy when Marilyn Monroe and like beauties are everywhere. Seriously, and thus all the sexual problems in the seminaries and priesthood; and Convents. Change is needed so much!

  • Anonymous

    This is just a millionth example of why church and state should not mix. Jacques Berlinerblau is another fine example.

  • Bernie O’Brien

    Rev Pleger is just one of the many, many grossly immature priests that are and were in the priesthood over the last few decades.I don’t fault him for being a rebel and fighting his Cardinal. That might be one of his strong points. The Church is so out of it today in so many ways.But for him to go off in support of any Candidate and bring up touchy issues is a betrayal of his role as a rep of the Catholic people who pay his room and board.The problem with the Father Pflegers in the world today relates to mental illness. Yes. Who else would commit to a lifetime of celibacy when Marilyn Monroe and like beauties are everywhere. Seriously, and thus all the sexual problems in the seminaries and priesthood; and Convents. Change is needed so much!

  • Bernie

    Rev Pleger is just one of the many, many grossly immature priests that are and were in the priesthood over the last few decades.I don’t fault him for being a rebel and fighting his Cardinal. That might be one of his strong points. The Church is so out of it today in so many ways.But for him to go off in support of any Candidate and bring up touchy issues is a betrayal of his role as a rep of the Catholic people who pay his room and board.The problem with the Father Pflegers in the world today relates to mental illness. Yes. Who else would commit to a lifetime of celibacy when Marilyn Monroe and like beauties are everywhere. Seriously, and thus all the sexual problems in the seminaries and priesthood; and Convents. Change is needed so much!

  • Francisco Cardenas

    The saddest part of this episode is that the new Reverend at Trinity, praised and thanked the priest for his talk and the audience was wildly enthusiastic about it. Also, sad that Obama would take his children into this environment of divisiveness.

  • Robert Lemasters

    Come on now, just what do you expect from those who earn a living selling absurd stories and promises to the gullible and naive…..wait who am I talking about, evangelists or politicians?…..damn come to think of it, it could be anybody….even me.

  • Bernie

    Rev Pleger is just one of the many, many grossly immature priests that are and were in the priesthood over the last few decades.I don’t fault him for being a rebel and fighting his Cardinal. That might be one of his strong points. The Church is so out of it today in so many ways.But for him to go off in support of any Candidate and bring up touchy issues is a betrayal of his role as a rep of the Catholic people who pay his room and board.The problem with the Father Pflegers in the world today relates to mental illness. Yes. Who else would commit to a lifetime of celibacy when Marilyn Monroe and like beauties are everywhere. Seriously, and thus all the sexual problems in the seminaries and priesthood; and Convents. Change is needed so much!

  • Denise Weintraub

    While what Father Pfleger said was inappropriate and has no place in a church, he is not a pastor at Trinity. He is a priest (Catholic, as I am) at St. Sabina’s. Why Barack Obama should have to apologize for this individual priest’s comments is beyond me.Perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask Cardinal George to apologize for Father Pfleger’s comment. The cardinal is the spiritual leader of the Chicago diocese and I believe that Father Pfleger is a diocesan priest.The media as well as politician seem to revel in “gotcha moments.” Can’t we believe that democracy, freedom of speech, and the individual’s right to his/her opinon is a messy and complex operation. Do we have to be so simple-minded as to ascribe the statements of zealous and unpaid advocate to the individual whose cause he is espousing?

  • Pagan Bol

    O God America is full of crazy pastors. Another mad one after Wright, Hagee, Parsely and who’s next? why can’t they define their limits, religion or politics. It’s a pity how the political establishment has manged to manipulate the clerics to sell the religion to politicians by seeking their endorsements. This is a sign of a serious decay of American social institutions both political and religious. God save America!!!

  • Fred Jones

    Obama’s Religion – Rev. Wright preaches black liberation theology, a racist theology based upon the conflict between the “black oppressed” and the “white oppressor”. That’s why Wright portrays Jesus as black, and his murderers as white, because that is the only way the story of Jesus will fit with his theology. I would recommend that you research black liberation theology, and in particular, the writings of James Cone. Wright acknowledges that Cone is one of his theological mentors, and the church’s website recommends his book “Black Theology and Black Power.” Here are a few of Cone’s quotes:1. To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people. 2. While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism. 3. Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

  • Alex

    Calling this a disaster is completely out of proportion. You may wonder where such sentiments about Hillary come from – they have also been expressed in other places:

  • CC

    This man is not Obama’s pastor. I do not see what the uproar is about. Could it be the man is telling the truth. Well, you know they always say “the truth hurts”. Hillary did and still does think she’s entitled to the nomination. When she found herself on the losing end, we all saw another side of Hillary Clinton. Maybe not another side, but the real side. She never thought that a black man by the name of Barack Obama would stand in her way to the White House. She thought she would have the nomination solidly sewn up after Super Tuesday. Instead she’s fighting to catch up.It amazes me that right before a primary or this important DNC meeting that her camp manages to try and pull a rabbit out of their hats. Who is the green-eyed monster in that church that keeps feeding the press this mess (and mess is all it is)?So I guess Obama is now responsible for what Father Phleger is saying. People need to let it rest. All I will say is if Hillary manages to be the nominee, hello McCain.

  • Denise Weintraub

    While what Father Pfleger said was inappropriate and has no place in a church, he is not a pastor at Trinity. He is a priest (Catholic, as I am) at St. Sabina’s. Why Barack Obama should have to apologize for this individual priest’s comments is beyond me.Perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask Cardinal George to apologize for Father Pfleger’s comment. The cardinal is the spiritual leader of the Chicago diocese and I believe that Father Pfleger is a diocesan priest.The media as well as politician seem to revel in “gotcha moments.” Can’t we believe that democracy, freedom of speech, and the individual’s right to his/her opinon is a messy and complex operation. Do we have to be so simple-minded as to ascribe the statements of zealous and unpaid advocate to the individual whose cause he is espousing?

  • dean

    He’s (Michael Pfleger) is just a white uncle tom preaching to the choir. Telling them what they want to hear not what they need to hear. Free speech here but this crosses the line and they should lose their tax exempt status if they want to play politics. Since it’s pretty obvious it’s a publicity stunt to get money at Obamas expence.

  • Fred Jones

    Obama’s Religion – Rev. Wright preaches black liberation theology, a racist theology based upon the conflict between the “black oppressed” and the “white oppressor”. That’s why Wright portrays Jesus as black, and his murderers as white, because that is the only way the story of Jesus will fit with his theology. I would recommend that you research black liberation theology, and in particular, the writings of James Cone. Wright acknowledges that Cone is one of his theological mentors, and the church’s website recommends his book “Black Theology and Black Power.” Here are a few of Cone’s quotes:1. To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people. 2. While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism. 3. Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

  • matto

    Why don’t you talk about Hagee! More coverage on Wright and less about Hagee! His comments are way more radical! Get real!

  • brian

    This article is pure trash. It’s amazing that a “universtity scholar’s exploration and debate” concerning “religion in the news” could be as mindless as the latest Olberman/OReilly feud. For example: Berlinerblau asks, “Fourth, and most importantly[!], what will be the fallout for the Obama campaign?” Where does he come off saying that political fallout is the “most important” issue? The Post is a newspaper not a racing form! If people want the horse race version of political ‘journalism,’ they don’t need a Professor of Jewish Civilization. They need Bill OReilly, who’s experience on Entertainment Tonight makes him far more qualified to spew garbage like that. Not only that but Berlinerblau seems to mock Obama for asking that comments made in the Black Church be understood in context. As the resident expert on religion, it’s Berlinerblau’s job to help provide a context for understanding complex topics such as Black Liberation Theology. Instead he writes off context entirely and gives us the same mindless trash we could find on cable news.In the following paragraph, Berlinerblau further demonstrates his lack of insight when he says, “in a general election a presidential candidate typically moves to the center. It is now going to be even harder for Obama to do that since America keeps seeing footage of his friends who stand to the left of Fidel Castro.” What sort of left/right schema is he working with? Trinity Church is concerned with Black struggle and liberation. Economic equality is a very big part of that, but to associate the church with Cuban socialism — or even US liberalism — is misleading. Such a comparison charicatures the Black Church in a way that seems to lump it in with the ‘far-left’ moveon.org wing of the Democratic Party. But as Obama made clear in his “More Perfect Union” speech, there is much about the Church — its emphasis on Self-Reliance and I would add Tradition — that can be aptly be described as conservative. Put simply, Berlinerblau owes his readers a more nuanced discussion of issues that pays more attention to questions of context and substance than to thoughtless speculations about who’s gonna win the race.

  • Richard

    Whatever happened to Free Speech? Whenever a bully pulpit spits out a whopper, folks in other faiths work up a sweat. Why not adopt a protocol that says, “what is said in church, stays in church”? This protocol is similiar to “don’t ask, don’t tell” regarding gays in the army (gasp!).Do we really need to be concerned with “crazy ‘ole men” in the local church? These men are not running for governor or mayor. I agree the statements of Father Pleger are wrong, and yet, he does not control brother Obama. I doubt if Father Pleger speaks for all Catholics. I am not a practicing Catholic, but from what I read in the news Catholics are not uniformly agreed on basic human rights. For instance, some Catholic priests have abused children, and the Pope apologized for this violation of human rights. If a parishioner attends a mass conducted by a child abusing priest, does that mean the parishioner is “quilty by association”?When Bush attends a Christian church (is it Methodist?) and listens to a pastor speaking on Jesus’ topic, “love your neighbor, as yourself”, does that mean Bush will come out loving Muslims? His recent visit to Israel would show otherwise. Muslims did not feel the love!We need not make our local churches partisan actors. History teaches that each faith has “crazy ideas” that come and go. These are simply opinions, these “wacky” ideas are not exactly the TEN COMMANDMENTS — a long-standing moral code that feels enduring to me.Perhaps the commandment, “thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor” is helpful. The national debate about “guilt by association” could be considered as breaking the “false witness” commandment. Maybe folks are afraid of Obama and will not vote for a Black man. But that is an echo from a dark past when slave owners used torture and fear to control people. Today there are many outstanding Black citizens who contribute in government at all levels: city, state, federal. Colin Powell and Condi Rice are well respected Secretary of State — and both Black (gasp!). I am excited to vote for Obama. Not because he is Black. Not because he goes to church. Not even because he likes basketball. Not because he is married with children. Not because he is a Democrat (progressive gasp!). I vote for Obama simply because that is my choice. No one need vote for Obama because of what their priest says about Hillary. No one need vote for Obama because of what John McCain says about military sacrifice. No one need vote for Obama because of what their pastor says about gays/lesbians. No one need vote for Obama because he is Black.Vote for whomever YOU choose. Make your own choice. Nothing will change if you don’t listen to you own heart. If you are an undecided voter (as described in this blog), then at least make a choice to vote in November. Vote however you choose — that is YOUR right (privilege enacted by U.S. Law)

  • Pagan Bol

    O God America is full of crazy pastors. Another mad one after Wright, Hagee, Parsely and who’s next? why can’t they define their limits, religion or politics. It’s a pity how the political establishment has manged to manipulate the clerics to sell the religion to politicians by seeking their endorsements. This is a sign of a serious decay of American social institutions both political and religious. God save America!!!

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to the world of Obama supporters. It’s not pretty. I would suggest you get out while you can. I can hardly wait until the unsuspecting potential voters in the general election have the wrath of the Obama supporters unleashed on them. If they have vilified the Clintons and the last two terms of the last Democratic Presidency we’ve had to the degree they have then you can only imagine how vile they will be to the supporters outside their own party. If they are as dismissive and abusive to the 49% of the Democratic party that doesn’t support their candidate I can only imagine the slime they’ll be spouting at the McCain supporters. They consider half of the Democratic party racist, low class, moronic, toothless wonders, uneducated and heaven forbid you’re from a State that didn’t go for Obama, then you’re nothing but ####. Oh well, at least they aren’t elitist. The only satisfaction will be that they will lose the general election for their candidate by separating this party and generating an exodus to McCain that will bring him over the top.

  • dean

    He’s (Michael Pfleger) is just a white uncle tom preaching to the choir. Telling them what they want to hear not what they need to hear. Free speech here but this crosses the line and they should lose their tax exempt status if they want to play politics. Since it’s pretty obvious it’s a publicity stunt to get money at Obamas expence.

  • epthorn

    Who is paying these people to sink Obama? Have they made a deal with the devil, or maybe a pre-school that will leave them unattended there?

  • pauline

    I think you yourself are racisst. Is it the candidate’s fault that some people in America are still racist today and will not vote for him because he is black? Not to mention that he is not even that black but has half of white and half of white blood? Yet, in the eyes of these conservatives, he is still black!! How racist can you be? Yet you ask him why he is not winning over these people as if it is his fault?About pastors, surely, you cannot control everybody’s thoughts about what happened n the past and what they see around when they walk the streets! priests are expeted to say the truth about what they see. Remember katrina???? Did you like what you say in America of all places in this world? Are you proud of being that america, where even Cuba saw your weakness and offered help which you refused because of shame???

  • Bill Tirell

    Senator Obama should not be held accountable for something a former or current associate might say. But it does cause me to wonder why the senator has associated with persons such as this priest, Wright, and Ayers — the unrepentant radical.The truly sad thing is that people in this Chicago congregation should be hearing the word of God in church, and messages of hope and forgiveness, not messages of resentment and vengence.

  • K. Frances Clarke

    I’ve had my fill of judging the candidates by the words of others in their lives – even pastors or husbands. Let he/she who is without others in their lives making idiotic or scandalous remarks cast the first stone!

  • Bill Tirell

    Senator Obama should not be held accountable for something a former or current associate might say. But it does cause me to wonder why the senator has associated with persons such as this priest, Wright, and Ayers — the unrepentant radical.The truly sad thing is that people in this Chicago congregation should be hearing the word of God in church, and messages of hope and forgiveness, not messages of resentment and vengence.

  • Anonymous

    We’re supposed to ignore the racist and anti-American rants of Rev. Wright, his 20-year “mentor and spiritual adviser.” We’re supposed to ignore his new pastor, Otis Moss who, in a fiery sermon, claimed retired pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright was “lynched” by the media and compared the embattled pastor to Jesus; and who refused to deny claims by Wright that the U.S. government was involved in distributing illegal drugs to minorities or spreading the AIDS virus to blacks. We are supposed to ignore another Obama adviser, Rev. Meeks, and his racist and anti-gay sermons. We are supposed to ignore Obama’s friend and patron of 17 years, the indicted Tony Rezko and all of Obama’s equivocations about their relationship. We are supposed to ignore his friendship with William Ayres, the unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist who bombed the Pentagon and a police station. And now, we are supposed to ignore the racist and despicable rants of another of Obama’s long-time friends and advisers, Father Pfleger. Just how many racists and terrorists does this man have to associate with before the public finally realizes that he is the company he keeps?

  • Erika

    Why is Obama responsible for the words of a white Catholic priest? He is not even Catholic.Let’s say that 1 million people have signed up to support Obama. The media will have us believe that he represents all of these people. If anyone of those 1 million people say anything negative or nasty it is Obama’s fault? That is just silly.

  • K. Frances Clarke

    I’ve had my fill of judging the candidates by the words of others in their lives – even pastors or husbands. Let he/she who is without others in their lives making idiotic or scandalous remarks cast the first stone!

  • Anonymous

    Correction:

  • dave

    nice article here….just mentioned the newest obama problems with his preachers to a coworker at lunch, and his comment was that obama is like teflon, nothing sticks, so whether any of this current flap will have any effect remains to be seen…altho the effect certainly is cumulative in that it reenforces doubt about who, really, is the true obama……

  • The Gospel Truth

    Correction:

  • Dee Tate

    To the person who asked the question about how we would feel if the candidate we felt were acceptable looked up to Adolph Hitler: Your statement/question is ridiculous. Neither one of these candidates said that they looked up to Hitler, so for you to try to focus on a “what if” scenario leads me to believe you are extremely narrow minded. It’s time to look at what is not the “what ifs”. Yeah, yeah, you said “IF”, but didn’t that word “IF” get us in this damn war that won’t end! We as a people need to stop trying to make “what ifs” into something that wil hurt us or someone else in the end. Remember 4000+ have lost their lives over “WHAT IF”

  • ES

    Sometime the truth hurts. Everyone who has been around Washington or politics over the years. Knows that since Bill left office, that this was supposed to be Hillary’s year. With a Gore win or not.No one talks about how starting in October, she and her staff verberally thought and acted like the nomination was going to be completed by Super Tuesday. Then ran a horrible process to get elected!Now that her plan are shot to hell, she is acting like a person that cannot belive that this young person from out of know were is stealing my thunder. This has happen to all of us at some point in time, it just that we are not allowed to mentioned the race of our base support in the office or on the fields. We just use the code words.If possible go to youtube and listen and watch Tim Wise White Privilege. I may not agree with all he is saying, however it made me think about thing in a different way.Stop blaming other people for your fears or misgivings about Obama. He seems to at least given people some hope and unfortunately Hilary has not and could not. If it was not Obama it would be Edwards. It was just not Hilary’s time.ES

  • dave

    nice article here….just mentioned the newest obama problems with his preachers to a coworker at lunch, and his comment was that obama is like teflon, nothing sticks, so whether any of this current flap will have any effect remains to be seen…altho the effect certainly is cumulative in that it reenforces doubt about who, really, is the true obama……

  • Dee Tate

    To the person who asked the question about how we would feel if the candidate we felt were acceptable looked up to Adolph Hitler: Your statement/question is ridiculous. Neither one of these candidates said that they looked up to Hitler, so for you to try to focus on a “what if” scenario leads me to believe you are extremely narrow minded. It’s time to look at what is not the “what ifs”. Yeah, yeah, you said “IF”, but didn’t that word “IF” get us in this damn war that won’t end! We as a people need to stop trying to make “what ifs” into something that wil hurt us or someone else in the end. Remember 4000+ have lost their lives over “WHAT IF”

  • Anonymous

    QUESTION FOR OBAMA SUPPORTERS: I’M JUST WONDERING, if you found out that a Presidential candidate whose public statements were more than acceptable to you, considered Adolf Hitler to be his historical mentor, would that be relevant to you when deciding whether he was a suitable candidate for the Presidency?

  • Andy Moursund

    “I don’t doubt that the Senator’s aforementioned words of regret are sincere. I don’t doubt that he truly deplores this type of rhetoric.”Brother.All that’s missing from that classic snark is a prefatory “As far as I know…”Obama disassociated himself from Rev. Pfleger’s remarks in the blink of an eye. What now shall he do? Send out a team of hit men just to demonstrate his sincerity? Nothing, absolutely nothing, can satisfy people who are looking under rocks to find the worst about anyone. For this sort of nastiness to be posted in a forum ostensibly dealing with matters of faith is more than a little disturbing.

  • Tee

    This is not on Obama, and while some of you do not want to admit it there are plenty of us out here that agree with the pastor. At a time when we have the issues we do I could care less about what the pastor said about Hilliary Clinton. Talking about this takes away from what we should be talking about. A war that should be clear to everyone now was waged based on lies, the fact that over 4000 men and women have lost their lives, over 37,000 returning home injured, sucides at an alltime high for troops, gas prices through the roof, people losing their homes and forget about being able to afford health care. Get over it people!

  • MikeinPhilly

    Phleger is a nut case. Don’t waste too much breath on him. I say that as a Catholic and an Obama supporter.The apology is meaningless. Any idiot could see that what he did, especially at this time, was going to blow up and be used to tar Obama.

  • Anonymous

    DEE TATE: You either intentionally missed my point, or you merely didn’t see it. The purpose of the question was to see if one’s associations or those who one considers to be their “mentors” should ever come into play when analyzing one’s suitability as a candidate. So, what’s the answer: If you found out that a Presidential candidate whose public statements were more than acceptable to you, considered Adolf Hitler to be his historical mentor, would that be relevant to you when deciding whether he was a suitable candidate for the Presidency? Stand up to the plate. It’s an easy yes or no question.

  • Dave

    This is much ado about nothing. Obama can not control what comes out of other peoples mouth’s. I will say however, that the gist of the pastors comments were probably more on point than not. It is clear that Clinton had a sense of entitlement regarding her run for the Whitehouse. Why? Well probably because she is an president’s wife, had a substantial donor base, served in the Senate, and very few effective candidates to run against, so she thought. When Obama stepped into the ring, I’m also convinced that he was not considered a significant threat primarily because he was not a white male. If the media keeps this play on pastor’s words up, I suspect that it will eventually open the flood gates for the display of poor word choices from pastors of all ilk. It will not be pretty.

  • Jabli Izvesti

    They are not Men of God.Just like the average stripper they merely entertain the crowd in the church for a living.It is Obama’s mistake to take them as Men of God and import them into his electoral discourse.

  • Joe

    So now, whenever someone from Barack Obama’s church comments about Hillary Clinton, it’s as though the words came directly from Obama’s mouth?Isn’t this getting to be more and more ridiculous?What if every person who lived in a neighborhood where known racist live, should everybody on the block be considered prejudice?For every person who has a colleague, associate, church member, golfing partner that does not share warm views about African Americans and other minorities, should that person be considered prejudice? Should they move out of their neighborhoods? Leave their church? Change jobs? Or join a different country club?Apply this logic and it’s pretty clear that Barack Obama and thousands of others have people who have been in our lives at one time or another that don’t represent who we really are.We can’t isolate ourselves from those people.And since none of us can run away from reality along these lines, why should we expect that of Barack Obama?

  • Corey

    For all of you on here crying, “guilt by asociation”, you obviously had no qualms about Ron Reagan announcing his candidacy from Philadelphia, Mississippi(while touting “States Rights”- the mantra which was a constant refrain for those who did not want to see Jim Crow die) where three young college students were killed by the KKK because they were involved in the Civil Rights Movement. To this day, most of you cannot comprehend why that action by President Reagan offended so many blacks. Pathetic!

  • Anonymous

    TO ANY BRAVE OBAMA SUPPORTER: The purpose of the following question was to see if one’s associations or those who one considers to be their “mentors” should ever come into play when analyzing one’s suitability as a candidate.QUESTION: If you found out that a Presidential candidate whose public statements were more than acceptable to you, considered Adolf Hitler to be his historical mentor, would that be relevant to you when deciding whether he was a suitable candidate for the Presidency? Stand up to the plate. It’s an easy yes or no question.

  • Richard

    Whatever happened to Free Speech? Whenever a bully pulpit spits out a whopper, folks in other faiths work up a sweat. Why not adopt a protocol that says, “what is said in church, stays in church”? This protocol is similiar to “don’t ask, don’t tell” regarding gays in the army (gasp!).Do we really need to be concerned with “crazy ‘ole men” in the local church? These men are not running for governor or mayor. I agree the statements of Father Pleger are wrong, and yet, he does not control brother Obama. I doubt if Father Pleger speaks for all Catholics. I am not a practicing Catholic, but from what I read in the news Catholics are not uniformly agreed on basic human rights. For instance, some Catholic priests have abused children, and the Pope apologized for this violation of human rights. If a parishioner attends a mass conducted by a child abusing priest, does that mean the parishioner is “quilty by association”?When Bush attends a Christian church (is it Methodist?) and listens to a pastor speaking on Jesus’ topic, “love your neighbor, as yourself”, does that mean Bush will come out loving Muslims? His recent visit to Israel would show otherwise. Muslims did not feel the love!We need not make our local churches partisan actors. History teaches that each faith has “crazy ideas” that come and go. These are simply opinions, these “wacky” ideas are not exactly the TEN COMMANDMENTS — a long-standing moral code that feels enduring to me.Perhaps the commandment, “thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor” is helpful. The national debate about “guilt by association” could be considered as breaking the “false witness” commandment. Maybe folks are afraid of Obama and will not vote for a Black man. But that is an echo from a dark past when slave owners used torture and fear to control people. Today there are many outstanding Black citizens who contribute in government at all levels: city, state, federal. Colin Powell and Condi Rice are well respected Secretary of State — and both Black (gasp!). I am excited to vote for Obama. Not because he is Black. Not because he goes to church. Not even because he likes basketball. Not because he is married with children. Not because he is a Democrat (progressive gasp!). I vote for Obama simply because that is my choice. No one need vote for Obama because of what their priest says about Hillary. No one need vote for Obama because of what John McCain says about military sacrifice. No one need vote for Obama because of what their pastor says about gays/lesbians. No one need vote for Obama because he is Black.Vote for whomever YOU choose. Make your own choice. Nothing will change if you don’t listen to you own heart. If you are an undecided voter (as described in this blog), then at least make a choice to vote in November. Vote however you choose — that is YOUR right (privilege enacted by U.S. Law)

  • Jeff Crocket

    A pastor he is not! He is a Roman Catholic Priest.

  • loulor

    Is this the best/worst you can do? You can come to my house and watch me ridicule Hillary, as well. And I’m neither a communist, a member or supporter of al-Qaida, a mysoginist, a child molester or a purse snatcher.I don’t like Hillary because she doesn’t have an authentic bone in her body.I don’t like you for the same reason. Your piece sounds like it comes from one of those smarmy, wild-eyed “Oh-my-God-HE(Obama)-is-going-to-hurt-Israel” shrill AIPAC types who would stoop to any pretext, no matter how scurrilous, to try to smear Obama by association.Get a life!

  • muskrat

    I’ve just about had enough of Obama. Something just doesn’t smell right about this guy. I guess I just don’t suffer frauds well.

  • Anonymous

    COREY SAID: For all of you on here crying, “guilt by asociation”, you obviously had no qualms about Ron Reagan announcing his candidacy from Philadelphia, Mississippi(while touting “States Rights”- the mantra which was a constant refrain for those who did not want to see Jim Crow die) where three young college students were killed by the KKK because they were involved in the Civil Rights Movement. To this day, most of you cannot comprehend why that action by President Reagan offended so many blacks. Pathetic!I, FOR ONE, AM OFFENDED BY ANY RACISM, FROM ANY SOURCE. That is why I am so opposed to Obama’s racist black liberation theology. Here is a statement about this so-called “religion” from one of its founders, James H. Cone:”Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy.”REV. WRIGHT considers James Cone to be his theological mentor; and Obama’s church recommends and distributes the book from which the above quote came.

  • profbty

    both here and on cable news, the premise is taken for granted that pfleger is a “nut” – with little consideration of the content of his critique. Berlinbauer makes the same mistake, as do many of the many commenters here who declare a “crazy priest” “leftwing,” etc. Certainly, his style, employing exaggeration and satire are certainly less common in many religious denominations, but are quite prevalent in the black church — and hallelujah for that. His central point, that Hillary has acted as if the presidency was owed to her might be reflective of white privilege. The Clinton campaign should put to rest the myth of Bill C. as the first “black president.” a white “black” president can turn on a dime, and be white when it’s convenient (e.g. vote for my wife, or we’ll lost the white racist vote in the general).the substance of his comment — that hillary acted as if entitled to the presidency (or at least the nomination) has been well supported by those close to her (not just her critics). That such an attitude might be be shaped from all the benefits of being white in a society as structured by race seems obvious on its face. calling attention to it should not make one “left of Castro” as Berlinerbrau puts it — just left of David Duke.

  • obiewan

    Obama is going to have a very difficult time separating himself from the racist views of his church for the past 20 years. We now see that it just isn’t the Rev. Wright that holds these views, it is the entire Trinity Church. When these racist rants are preached there by anyone standing in the pulpit the congregation eats the dialog up like pigs at a slop trough. Obama is a member of that congregation and has been for 20 years so we must assume he is comfortable mingling with this overtly racist group. He even lets his wife and children be exposed to racism on a weekly basis.He either believes the racist hate promoted at this church and/or he used his association with it to further his political career on the state level. Now his membership in this church has become a HUGE liability and he can’t extricate himself from them. Obama is a phony no matter what you believe about his reasons for attending Trinity Church. Either that or he is the most clueless person that ever set foot into that church. No matter what the truth really is it automatically disqualifies him from holding the office of President of the United States.

  • obiewan

    Obama is going to have a very difficult time separating himself from the racist views of his church for the past 20 years. We now see that it just isn’t the Rev. Wright that holds these views, it is the entire Trinity Church. When these racist rants are preached there by anyone standing in the pulpit the congregation eats the dialog up like pigs at a slop trough. Obama is a member of that congregation and has been for 20 years so we must assume he is comfortable mingling with this overtly racist group. He even lets his wife and children be exposed to racism on a weekly basis.He either believes the racist hate promoted at this church and/or he used his association with it to further his political career on the state level. Now his membership in this church has become a HUGE liability and he can’t extricate himself from them. Obama is a phony no matter what you believe about his reasons for attending Trinity Church. Either that or he is the most clueless person that ever set foot into that church. No matter what the truth really is it automatically disqualifies him from holding the office of President of the United States.

  • MikeJ9116

    Obama is going to have a very difficult time separating himself from the racist views of his church for the past 20 years. We now see that it just isn’t the Rev. Wright that holds these views, it is the entire Trinity Church. When these racist rants are preached there by anyone standing in the pulpit the congregation eats the dialog up like pigs at a slop trough. Obama is a member of that congregation and has been for 20 years so we must assume he is comfortable mingling with this overtly racist group. He even lets his wife and children be exposed to racism on a weekly basis.He either believes the racist hate promoted at this church and/or he used his association with it to further his political career on the state level. Now his membership in this church has become a HUGE liability and he can’t extricate himself from them. Obama is a phony no matter what you believe about his reasons for attending Trinity Church. Either that or he is the most clueless person that ever set foot into that church. No matter what the truth really is it automatically disqualifies him from holding the office of President of the United States.

  • common freakin’ sense

    I heard that the woman that substituted for Obama’s cleaning lady last month doesn’t like vegetables! Does that mean that because Obama let this person into his house and let her clean his bathroom that he hates vegetables too?! I hate people that don’t eat healthy and therefore I will not vote for Obama.

  • Candice

    I am so SICK and TIRED of hearing journalists write about how what happens at Trinity is “damaging” or “hurting” Barack Obama. TRINITY DOES NOT EXIST TO SERVE BARACK OBAMA! BARACK OBAMA IS NOT THE ONLY MEMBER OF TRINITY! TRINITY’S PULPIT IS NEITHER HOSTAGE NOR CAPTIVE TO THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN! Trinity has thousands of other members. Trinity has a right to remain true to itself and its traditions regardless of Obama’s campaign. Trinity’s congregants have a right to hear whatever message its preachers and guests bring to the pulpit.You say Obama has “pastor problems”??? Well guess what? Trinity has politician problems. Trinity can’t be what it is in peace because a foolish politician hitched his @*&! name to it. I’M SICK AND TIRED OF IT!! Obama did not found Trinity, Obama does not own Trinity, and Obama does not dictate what happens at Trinity. PERIOD!!

  • Fred Jones

    It is amusing that Obama apologists call Wright and Pfleger “crazy old men,” and yet fail to see why it is relevant that a Presidential candidate would have considered one of these “crazy old men” to be his “mentor and spiritual adviser” for 20 years. To suggest that this does not bear upon his character and judgment is to stick one’s head in the sand. The bottom line: Obama must be stopped. If he is the Democratic nominee, then come November he will be facing the Republicans, as well as millions of Democrats who polls show will not vote for him under any circumstances. Better a centrist Republican (tempered by a Democratic House and Senate), than an inexperienced, ruthless, deceptive, and divisive Obama.

  • Fred Jones

    OBIEWAN: You are right on target.

  • lskloven

    How much did Hillary’s campaign pay him?

  • FormerObaman

    Common Freakin’ Sense:That does it! If Obama is anti-vegetarian, I am no longer going to vote for him.

  • Anonymous R.C. Bishop

    A suggestion to clergy:Preach the Gospel message sincerely. It is your duty. But seal your lips on matters of politics when doing so, and at all times inside a church. Otherwise, you are bound to offend, and you cannot exhibit the lovingkindness of our Lord while simultaneously being offensive to people, even to those with whom you might not agree. Heed what the letter of James says about controlling the tongue.Yours in Christ,Anon. R.C. Bisop

  • Not_A_Libscum

    Well, the Libscum wanted BO and along with him come the “haters”, racists and sexists.

  • Anonymous

    What a tragedy this election cycle is. For almost eight years, I’ve been planning a celebration for when George Bush leaves office. I had thought that the Democrats would nominate an acceptable candidate, and we could go about the business of repairing this country. Then, Obama came out of nowhere. At first, before I knew much about him, I had a favorable opinion of him. However, after much research, I found him to be the most deceptive, ruthless and divisive candidate in my lifetime. That is why, if he is the nominee, I will be casting my first ever vote for a Republican for President.

  • joe g

    The Hillary people should quit complaining. She needs to shut up, sit down, and get out of the race. Her supporters need to tow the line, now.

  • Fred Jones

    TO ANY BRAVE OBAMA SUPPORTER: The purpose of the following question was to see if one’s associations or those who one considers to be their “mentors” should ever come into play when analyzing one’s suitability as a candidate.QUESTION: If you found out that a Presidential candidate whose public statements were more than acceptable to you, considered Adolf Hitler to be his historical mentor, would that be relevant to you when deciding whether he was a suitable candidate for the Presidency? Stand up to the plate. It’s an easy yes or no question.

  • obiewan

    Guilt by association? What planet did all you Obama supporters fly in from? If McCain sat in a church for 20 years that was run by David Duke you would be insane and frothing at the mouth like rabid dogs. When Obama does the equivalent you just look the other way and make excuses for him. The hypocrisy of Obama supporters are is epic in scope and size. You all just keep whistling past the grave yard on this matter. You have seen how white America has taken his choice of spiritual mentor and church. Look at the voting trends in Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky etc. Obama is being seen more and more as a better educated, slicker talking, better dressed version of Al Sharpton. Over the next few months Obama will be exposed further for what he really is and it won’t be good for him. When he speakers without the benefit of a teleprompter he is his own worst enemy. Wait until he has to debate McCain. It won’t be pretty for him and he can’t get away from doing it either like he has with Hillary.

  • Jennifer

    Oh and the tooth fairy called me a B as she put a nickle under my pillow…and anybody who goes near this tooth fairy is identifying with child abusers…does that sound ridiculous that is just how ridiculous all of this gotcha business is with these ministers.. nonsense I tell you..nonsense//anything to steer Americans away from the real issues of an warranted war and John McCain and his senior moments..

  • James

    I sometimes wonder if some of these journalist aren’t like third rate journalist. We are tired of pettiness.

  • Dave

    Obama’s associates and supporters are not ready for an African American president and obviously even less ready for a woman president. This campaign has been horrible. It has exposed racism and sexism at its worst in America. I am sorry, but I can no longer make excuses for Obama, his associates, or his supporters.On one more thing. I treat everyone as an individual without regard to color, gender, or religion. I owe nobody for anything I personally was not involved in. I find it

  • Dave

    Obama’s associates and supporters are not ready for an African American president and obviously even less ready for a woman president. This campaign has been horrible. It has exposed racism and sexism at its worst in America. I am sorry, but I can no longer make excuses for Obama, his associates, or his supporters.On one more thing. I treat everyone as an individual without regard to color, gender, or religion. I owe nobody for anything I personally was not involved in. I find it

  • McCain’sformercampaignmanager

    Obiewan:I suppose you feel that Bush (who was nearly laughed off the stage) won the debates with Kerry? I predict that you are in for a shock, as Obama will be far superior to McCain in a debate.

  • N.L.

    Perhaps those who say we don’t know enough about Senator Obama are right. There are certainly plenty of red flags. It amazes me that a man with so little experience and so many ties to anti-American radicals and black racists can even be considered for president – only by the Democratic Party, I suppose. If the super-delegates have an ounce of good judgement, they will nominate Senator Clinton.

  • Anonymous

    The central issue here is not about votes and elections, but about the Roman Catholic Priesthood. As a born, once, RC, I prepared something on the above idea, but couldn’t get it sent here. I will try this,and if it gets through, I will tell you all what I think the issues are. I am a former Director of Catholic Charities.

  • dummy

    It smells like the return of McCarthyism.

  • Fred Jones

    JAY: How dare you post facts about Obama’s dubious associations on this blog !! I hereby order all you Obama minions to immediately attack and insult Jay with reckless abandon. And if that doesn’t work, then call him a racist. That always works, doesn’t it? Ah, but why am I telling you this. You Obama supporters know the drill.

  • Bernie

    I give up trying to get on here.

  • Mike Brooks

    Let’s get a few facts straight here. The speaker in question is a Catholic priest and NOT even a member of Obama’s church. He was a visiting speaker. Are all feminsts to blame for the bitter racist remarks of Geraldine Ferraro? How about blaming all gays for the perverts that ride around on those floats at “gay pride” celebrations? Nope. Most people are decent moderates. If this is another “pastor disaster”, then anyone at any time is be blamed for anything anyone says within their hearing.

  • irish jazz

    Ok… so another jerk plays to the crowd at Trinity in front of a cell phone camera. Obama deplores, the jerk apologizes, and you think Obama is sincere but… what is the point of this column?Here is a bit of truth… there is no such thing as a universal unifier. There are always those who oppose- that’s how it is supposed to work. My conclusion from this little bit of writen misdirection is that you oppose Obama, want to draw attention to his flaws, but at the same time you want to seem to be even-handed. Actually, that is one of the things I don’t particularly like about Obama. He has the same habit of sticking the knife in while acting like a choirboy. (In his book he said that Bill Clinton executed a mentally disabled man for political gain- an absurd twistng of the facts.) I don’t care for the pseudo-sanctimony when you do it either. Frankly, the loudmouthed are in their coarse way, more honest.

  • stratzrus

    This pales in comparison tho the Wright controversy.White America can’t stand an angry black man, but the angry white man is an accepted and embraced part of our cultural heritage.Two weeks from now it will be a distant memory.

  • Jonathan

    Does this mean that anytime someone makes an unflattering comment or statement about either of the democratic nominees either one or both are reponsible, for that which had be said?

  • Gail P.

    Give me a break. I am Jewish, but I do not belong to any organized religious community largely because most organized religions are biased in a negative fashion against those outside their group. Martin Luther was anti semitic and the early Catholic Church blamed the Jews for killing Jesus. Does that mean I should’t vote for any candidate who is Christian?I am way more worried about Hillary and her regular Washington insider prayer breakfasts with right wing evangelicals than I am about Obama and some comment made by some minister he happens to have had some affiliation with.

  • Thisissilly

    The hypocrisy of people is just comical. Rev Wright had nothing to do with this issue and was invited to the White House by President Clinton for his charitable works. I refuse to condemn someone and throw everything they did for THEIR community out the window for over 20 years just because I disagreed with a comment they made and saw a snippet of a sermon done years ago, he may not be speaking for you but he was speaking for some people who came out of the Civil Rights era that were very hardened by their experiences and if you lived through that you same people would be pissed off as well. That was his right to say what was on his mind in thir community, 90% of the people reading this blog don’t care one way or the other about what happens on the South Side of Chicago because it doesnt change or affect their lives, the church members there are not being brainwashed and they are intelligent enough to come up with their own beliefs. This was a WHITE CATHOLIC priest who made this distasteful comment during a guest sermon after another White Priest spoke of UNITY and common interests, so are you going to call him a racist. His words were very poorly chosen for the point he was trying to make, but the underlying part is he was right. HRC, was crying on national television to gain sympathy, because she felt it was too tough for her at the time and she felt victimixed, its politics so get a helmet. Did you ever see Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher crying on television, she wouldnt have given them the satisfaction. Then the next week, after NH feels bad for her and gives her a win, she TURNS into a gun totter, whiskey chugger, ROCK and champion for the so-called BLUE COLLAR WHITE WORKING CLASS, who just happened to fit the part of the country she was campaigning in, and tells Obama, “If he can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.” NEVERMIND that there are WHITE BLUE COLLAR WORKING CLASS people all over this country who supported Obama over her. She felt she was entitled to this nomination a year ago and never thought it would be an actual race, she was wrong and she has gotten beat. I don’t feel sorry for the campaign she ran, and neither should anyone else who is practical in thinking. There will be a woman President someday, and it will be a woman who is a lot different than Hillary R. Clinton.So there will be no Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton White House. Its time for new ideas, new thinking, new blood and new energy.Obama may not be perfect, but so what none of these candidates are, but he has handled himself with class and dignity despite the long odds and he has come out on top and that is why he is winning and not why she LOST.Go Obama…

  • Hanu

    Obama and his supporters, including this white pastor and the notorious black pastor Wright, are playing the race card to win the White House, but they will be disapponted. Obama denials from the remarks of his pastors,often called “spiritual advisors”, are not credible. One has to only look at the huge non-African American vote disparity in favor of Hillary over Obama in North Carolina and Pennsylvania to realize that Obama could lose the white vote nationwide: a landslide McCain victory is quite possible.Go McCain.

  • Thisissilly

    The hypocrisy of people is just comical. Rev Wright had nothing to do with this issue and was invited to the White House by President Clinton for his charitable works. I refuse to condemn someone and throw everything they did for THEIR community out the window for over 20 years just because I disagreed with a comment they made and saw a snippet of a sermon done years ago, he may not be speaking for you but he was speaking for some people who came out of the Civil Rights era that were very hardened by their experiences and if you lived through that you same people would be pissed off as well. That was his right to say what was on his mind in thir community, 90% of the people reading this blog don’t care one way or the other about what happens on the South Side of Chicago because it doesnt change or affect their lives, the church members there are not being brainwashed and they are intelligent enough to come up with their own beliefs. This was a WHITE CATHOLIC priest who made this distasteful comment during a guest sermon after another White Priest spoke of UNITY and common interests, so are you going to call him a racist. His words were very poorly chosen for the point he was trying to make, but the underlying part is he was right. HRC, was crying on national television to gain sympathy, because she felt it was too tough for her at the time and she felt victimixed, its politics so get a helmet. Did you ever see Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher crying on television, she wouldnt have given them the satisfaction. Then the next week, after NH feels bad for her and gives her a win, she TURNS into a gun totter, whiskey chugger, ROCK and champion for the so-called BLUE COLLAR WHITE WORKING CLASS, who just happened to fit the part of the country she was campaigning in, and tells Obama, “If he can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.” NEVERMIND that there are WHITE BLUE COLLAR WORKING CLASS people all over this country who supported Obama over her. She felt she was entitled to this nomination a year ago and never thought it would be an actual race, she was wrong and she has gotten beat. I don’t feel sorry for the campaign she ran, and neither should anyone else who is practical in thinking. There will be a woman President someday, and it will be a woman who is a lot different than Hillary R. Clinton.So there will be no Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton White House. Its time for new ideas, new thinking, new blood and new energy.Obama may not be perfect, but so what none of these candidates are, but he has handled himself with class and dignity despite the long odds and he has come out on top and that is why he is winning and not why she LOST.Go Obama…

  • Hanu

    Obama and his supporters, including this white pastor and the notorious black pastor Wright, are playing the race card to win the White House, but they will be disapponted. Obama denials from the remarks of his pastors,often called “spiritual advisors”, are not credible. One has to only look at the huge non-African American vote disparity in favor of Hillary over Obama in North Carolina and Pennsylvania to realize that Obama could lose the white vote nationwide: a landslide McCain victory is quite possible.Go McCain.

  • Thisissilly

    The hypocrisy of people is just comical. Rev Wright had nothing to do with this issue and was invited to the White House by President Clinton for his charitable works. I refuse to condemn someone and throw everything they did for THEIR community out the window for over 20 years just because I disagreed with a comment they made and saw a snippet of a sermon done years ago, he may not be speaking for you but he was speaking for some people who came out of the Civil Rights era that were very hardened by their experiences and if you lived through that you same people would be pissed off as well. That was his right to say what was on his mind in thir community, 90% of the people reading this blog don’t care one way or the other about what happens on the South Side of Chicago because it doesnt change or affect their lives, the church members there are not being brainwashed and they are intelligent enough to come up with their own beliefs. This was a WHITE CATHOLIC priest who made this distasteful comment during a guest sermon after another White Priest spoke of UNITY and common interests, so are you going to call him a racist. His words were very poorly chosen for the point he was trying to make, but the underlying part is he was right. HRC, was crying on national television to gain sympathy, because she felt it was too tough for her at the time and she felt victimixed, its politics so get a helmet. Did you ever see Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher crying on television, she wouldnt have given them the satisfaction. Then the next week, after NH feels bad for her and gives her a win, she TURNS into a gun totter, whiskey chugger, ROCK and champion for the so-called BLUE COLLAR WHITE WORKING CLASS, who just happened to fit the part of the country she was campaigning in, and tells Obama, “If he can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.” NEVERMIND that there are WHITE BLUE COLLAR WORKING CLASS people all over this country who supported Obama over her. She felt she was entitled to this nomination a year ago and never thought it would be an actual race, she was wrong and she has gotten beat. I don’t feel sorry for the campaign she ran, and neither should anyone else who is practical in thinking. There will be a woman President someday, and it will be a woman who is a lot different than Hillary R. Clinton.So there will be no Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton White House. Its time for new ideas, new thinking, new blood and new energy.Obama may not be perfect, but so what none of these candidates are, but he has handled himself with class and dignity despite the long odds and he has come out on top and that is why he is winning and not why she LOST.Go Obama…

  • Fred Jones

    YEAH, OBAMA BARELY KNEW PFLEGER: Rev. Michael Pfleger, the left-leaning Chicago Catholic priest who ridiculed Hillary Rodham Clinton this week in a racially-charged speech from the pulpit of Barack Obama’s church, has contributed to Obama’s state Senate campaigns, backed his ill-fated run for Congress and stumped for him in Iowa.In a Chicago Tribune story a year ago, Obama defended special budget earmarks for his district while he was a state legislator, including ones that went to programs associated with Pfleger’s church. Pfleger gave Obama’s campaigns $1,500 between 1995 and 2001, including $200 in April 2001, about three months after Obama announced at least $100,000 in grants to St. Sabina programs. Obama’s spokesman, Ben LaBolt, was unable to say when Obama last spoke to Pfleger. LaBolt said Pfleger stepped down from the Catholics for Obama committee a few weeks ago, but he could not say why. He confirmed that Obama steered a $100,000 state grant in 2000 to a Pfleger-affiliated community program.”Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, Obama says.”Last year, Pfleger invited the Rev. Louis Farrakhan to speak at his church, St. Sabina, which encompasses a large, inner city African American parish. Pfleger backed up Farrakhan in a 2006 controversy over some remarkable Farrakhan bile. Pfleger criticized a mass resignation of Jewish members on a state of Illinois hate crimes commission. Pfleger said “good riddance” to the people who had left the commission. “Leave, go ahead and go on out, we don’t need that kind of a spirit or mentality and a narrowness on that kind of commission. I’m glad they’re gone,” Pfleger said.Farrakhan said, “These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood. It’s the wicked Jews, the false Jews that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality,” and “Zionists have manipulated Bush and the American government” over the war in Iraq.Why in heavens’ name was Obama supporting this guy? And putting him on his Catholic advisory council?

  • Amanda V.

    It’s just so disappointing as a Democrat to see all the Obama supporters laughing and dancing on Hillary’s grave – continuing to relish and feed on her carcass. The Clinton’s aren’t monsters so stop treating them that way. AND I won’t forget your silence Pelosi and Reid.

  • Janet In San Diego

    To link Obama to someone else’s comments is absurd. Did Obama say it? No he didn’t and I’m sick of the white MSM making him have to denounce words he hasn’t uttered. This white priest told the truth. People black and white and other minorities agree with his frank assessment of Hillary Clinton’s antics.Your condemnation of him makes me think you are racist and that the truth shouldn’t be told about a white woman.

  • David Strohm

    Snore city Jacques… And how the Washington Post interprets another preacher and another sermon as news is mind boggling.

  • obiewan

    McCain’sformercampaignmanager:Obama was handled with kid gloves for most of the Democrat debates. Also, the Rev. Wright fiasco had not hit like a hurricane yet. The last one he was finally hit with hard questions and he folded like a cheap tent in a tornado. Why do you think he refused any further debates with Hillary? He knew he would be further damaged by them.McCain has shown he is not afraid of any one on one dialog. He goes to any venue. He even appeared on the Ellen DeGeneres Show! I saw McCain do an hour on Hardball (hardly a friendly atmosphere) and he performed rather well. Seeing Obama next to McCain is not going to be good for Obama, IMO.I agree that Bush performed poorly in his second debate with Kerry but he still won the election. I really don’t see the relevance of comparing a Kerry-Bush debate to a McCain-Obama debate. I understand the left’s desire to tie McCain to Bush but I really don’t see that line of attack sticking to McCain much. He is about as far from being like Bush as one can get and still be labeled a Republican. Nearly anyone that isn’t hard core liberal knows this is just left wing political spin and knows better than to believe it.

  • John

    Obama is done. He is not electable.It will likely be John McCain in the White House.He seems very presidential.

  • loulor

    FredJones,Of course you’re racist. What else can anyone with more than three brain cells deduce from someone who tries to smear a perfectly legitimate candidate like Obama with a fool-preacher’s comments on Hillary.If you have no GOOD rationale for hating Obama, then it stands to reason you must have a BAD one. DUH!!!!!Part of the proof that this web site and others like it are clogged with closet bigots like you is the fact that you guys never once mention Hillary — the person whom Berlinerblau set out to make look good by trying to make Obama look bad. Nor do you mention anything else about his candidacy, other than your fear-based perception of Obama as a racist. (You need to check Freud’s theory of projection on that one. Were he here, he would tell you you can only perceive outside yourself what already exists inside.)It’s the old “any-forum-will-do” to Bash Obama, and the facts be damned. Worse yet, you guys will line up with anyone — be they Tom DeLay born-again Christian-Zionist wackos, the KKK, AIPAC, or the YFFBTT (Young Fascists for a Bush Third Term) to spew your bile.You and yours are remarkably transparent. Give it up!

  • Janet In San Diego

    This is another phoney nonissue drummed up to try to discredit Obama What relevence does what someone sle has said pertain to Obama. I am glad that it was a whiter person that told the truth this time. Hillary has race baited and lied over and over. This white priest just told the truth. Or can’t anyone criticize a white woman?

  • Pierre Des

    Berlinerblau,Licking toilet bowls is a risky business. You can catch germs.

  • obiewan

    loulor:I see. So anyone that doesn’t vote for a black man is racist? That is some mighty infallible logic you have there. I have a newsflash for you. A person doesn’t have to have white skin to be a racist.

  • Ash

    Oh what else does Barack and his supporters have to say now ? How many more skeletons are hidden in the closet ? How long will it take for the “so called educated” folks of America to realize that it is extremely dangerous to hand over the most important job in the country to a person who has the most radical friends in the history of American Presidents – Bill Ayers , Jeremiah Wright , Michael Pfleger …

  • McCain’sformercampaignmanager

    Obiewan:You are certainly right that McCain is far superior to Bush in every respect: speaking ability, integrity, and actually caring about the Constitution of this country and our balance of power. However, he is making the mistake of tying HIMSELF to Bush by saying he will continue (if not pursue with greater fervor) many of Bush’s failed policies on key issues. That is what will hang him. If people see him, despite his contentions to the contrary, as accepting the status quo, he will be dead on election day. He has admirably criticized George a few times, but on the matters of greatest significance, his position is that he agrees with George. I think he would fare much better if the contrast between him and Obama were less stark. He would then be sure to get all those people who now know they were duped into voting for Bush in ’04 (and I think there are millions of people in that boat). I know 90-year-old lifelong Republicans who voted against Bush in ’04 and despise him more than anyone. Everyone but the stauchest conservatives know that Bush has sold them and this country out. If Obama can paint McCain with that brush (and McCain seems to be helping him to do just that), then McCain will be in trouble despite his status as a respectable, bona fide hero. This election is not going to be a referendum on Iraq like ’06 was. It’s going to hinge on who people think is going to level the playing field so that the common person has a fighting chance of becoming better off (and keeping their kids alive, so Iraq will have some influence, probably in favor of Obama). McCain is siding with Bush on those issues, and I think that is a mistake. Obama is quite skilled at reading public opinion and speaking to the needs of common citizens in a persuasive way. A few more months and we’ll know who miscalculated. We may know before then if some shocking, negative deal-breaker comes out about either candidate, in which case the foregoing considerations won’t matter much.

  • SBrown

    The relevance of Father Pfleger’s comments and this congregation’s glee, which is especially disappointing for its reverse racism, is the need to have the Democrat nominee unify the party for the general election. When you have a visible supporter and Sen. Obama’s fellow congregants mocking a viable, equally noteworthy candidate, and monumental stalwart in pushing “people policies” it is disappointing, disgusting, and disheartening. I am, without a doubt, Democrat (and African American) and will vote thusly but when speaking to an undecided or when making my case I need to have the passion for the candidate not just the principles of the Party. This situation doesn’t help get me “fired up and ready to go” for Sen. Obama.

  • Hobbs

    Now I have seen everything!Calling black folks racists!How can Obama be a racist: he is half-black and half-white.Some of the arguments posted here make no sense.

  • Fred Jones

    LOULOR: Ah, the race card. The last refuge for those who have no argument. This is just one more reason why I am not looking forward to an Obama administration; 4 or 8 more years of race cards is more than any nation could be expected to withstand.I’ll tell you what. Please post any comment of mine which you consider to be racist. If you cannot, then consider your apology accepted in advance. Thank you for your cooperation.

  • Evil Obama

    Wow that Obama is such a terrible guy. Lets all burn him at the stake for hateful words spoken by another grown man, during a church service he didn’t attend, that he immediately condemned, even though the speech was not connected to his campaign. Yes let’s get this evil guy, but let’s forgive McCain for courting evil “religious” leaders and take him at his word when he denounces them. Yes and Hillary is so innocent, why she has run such a clean campaign. She would never distort the truth, lie to the public, or sell out her party for her own naked ambition.Nope never..

  • John M Dooley

    Preachers of all stripes come from a tradition that claims they are always right. They don’t take kindly to people questioning their beliefs or pronouncements. They are the living antithesis of democracy. How do I know? Sixteen years of Catholic schools. Politicians of all stripes should not campaign in churches and not encourage endorsements from preachers. They do so at their own peril.

  • Fred Jones

    I am more than amused by the Obama apologists who suggest that we should not consider any of his associations as relevant to his character and judgment. They say that since Obama himself did not spout the racist and anti-American remarks, we should not consider any such remarks, or any of his associations when deciding whether or not he is a suitable President. They say that we should only consider statement made by Obama himself; a man who is trying to convince us that he is the appropriate choice as the leader of our nation. We’re supposed to ignore the racist and anti-American rants of Rev. Wright, his 20-year “mentor and spiritual adviser.” We’re supposed to ignore his new pastor, Otis Moss who, in a fiery sermon, claimed retired pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright was “lynched” by the media and compared the embattled pastor to Jesus; and who refused to deny claims by Wright that the U.S. government was involved in distributing illegal drugs to minorities or spreading the AIDS virus to blacks. We are supposed to ignore another Obama adviser, Rev. Meeks, and his racist and anti-gay sermons. We are supposed to ignore Obama’s friend and patron of 17 years, the indicted Tony Rezko and all of Obama’s equivocations about their relationship. We are supposed to ignore his friendship with William Ayres, the unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist who bombed the Pentagon and a police station. And now, we are supposed to ignore the racist and despicable rants of another of Obama’s long-time friends and advisers, Father Pfleger. Just how many racists and terrorists does this man have to associate with before the public finally realizes that he is the company he keeps?

  • loulor

    Obiewan,PAY ATTENTION. THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.A racist is one who won’t vote for a black man BECAUSE the candidate is black. So are those who try to pass off other flimsy, transparent excuses for their opposition, to cover their bigotry. E.G., Did you hear what that minister said?????

  • Jess

    You called your own book “Thumpin it” yet you stand in judgement.When are you going to get angry at Lorne Michaels for ridiculing Hillary?

  • Telsie Einhorn

    If I was Obama I would renounce Christenity, and become Muslim. The Terroist couldn’t embarrass him anymore than the preachers have. Pray Barack Pray that Jesse and Al don’t try to help you, or we will have McCain for certain.

  • obiewan

    Evil Obama:I know it is hard to defend the indefensible regarding Obama’s choice of “Spiritual Mentor” and church for the past 20 years. I have a recommendation for you, the old “Woe is me” defense doesn’t work at all. Obama needs to man up and tell us the real reason he sat in that church and associated with a congregation that eats up the racist preaching presented at that church like pigs at the slop trough. Was it for political gain, he actually believes in Black Liberation Theology or both? If is wasn’t one of these then he must be the most clueless person to ever step foot into that church. Also, trying to equate McCain’s endorsement by religious leaders to Obama’s WILLINGNESS to set in a church listening to racist rants FOR TWENTY YEARS makes you look rather weak minded. Americans want truthful answers from Obama about his relationships with racists, radicals and a congregation that can’t get enough racist laced sermons from any number of people preaching from the pulpit of Trinity Church. My guess is if he tells us the truth on the matter he will hand McCain a landslide victory next November.

  • DD

    Where to begin…Let’s see, somewhere in literature someone said “first kill all the priests”. That’s a good place to start with regard to the Rev. Phlegler. Next, do any of these race baiting blacks and race self-hating white apologists ever stop to reflect before they spew forth with their “black liberation theology” half-truths, outright distortions and delusions? Does it not register with them that they are witnessing the antithesis of the very issue they claim to be so angry about yet hold so dear? That’s a black dude up there at the podium and he’s a virtual lock to get the democratic nod to run for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! HELLO! What in “Gods” name are they going to do if he’s elected? How will they fill that Sunday morning time known as the “most segregated hour in America”? God forbid…they just might have to go back to the bible and get back to administering to the souls of their congregations instead of inciting them to “keep hate alive”. And how about white folks that are so disturbed by the accident of birth that burbened them with that ugly pale pigment? Nothing is more repulsive than a white person trying to act and sound black. African Americans should hound them out of the building for such a transparent display of disrespect. Are they really that easily duped? Phlegler gave a spot-on minstrel show imitation of Wright…all that was missing was the black-face makeup. White America…are you finally paying attention? This ultimate unifier just might be the chosen one who sends the country spiraling down to a new low in race relations. And he’s had ample help from our “first black president” and his wife along with assorted cohorts. I can’t wait for the general election to begin. hey, democrats…can you say “what the f*** happened”?

  • PGR88

    I’ll say it one more time – Obama often called Pfleger his “spiritual compass” and Wright is “mentor.” Indeed, Obama did not himself act like the clown at TUCC – but his “spiritual compass” did. Who is worse, the fool, or the fool who takes advice from him? Get the point yet?!

  • obiewan

    loulor:I won’t vote for Obama because he closely associates with racists and radicals. Just like I wouldn’t vote for a white politician that had David Duke as a spiritual mentor for 20 years. There are plenty of black people that could receive my vote for President. The trouble is that none of them are running this year. The more I learn about Obama the more I am convinced that he is an empty suit that will use anyone and any organization to advance himself politically. Then when those people he used becomes a liability, he will throw them overboard without a second thought. He even did this with his grandmother for God’s sake. He misquoted her remark about black men making her nervous and equated her to Rev. Wright in his so called “teaching” speech on race in America. Obama is a phony and and a user and as he is scrutinized further this will become very clear to the public.

  • deja voo

    Did Obama invite this guy Pfleger to the pulpit? Did Pfleger say anything regarding Hillary that hasn’t been said already multiple times, from multiple platforms, by women as well as men? By people of all races? That she came to this campaign with a sense of entitlement? That her boasting about her experience in foreign affairs and the risks she has teken on behalf of President Clinton have been exaggerated to the point of indisputable falsification? That she has crossed th line from intensity to inanity when she claims that she is much more qualified to lead the country in this troubled world because . . . . her experiences as First Lady gave her a leg up on diplomatic protocal, so that she knows when to shake hands, when to kiss cheeks, which hand to eat with and which fork to use at state dinners? There’s no excuse for Father Pfleger. He’s obviously a self-hating, self-flagellating person, vainly (in all senses of the word) trying to expiate his sense of his own sins by cloaking himself in the shameful victimization that has been, in varying degrees, visited upon African-Americans in this nation.No one can deny that wrongs were done and that they continue to be done. But, Pfleger suffers from the self-hating myopia that prevents a person, well-intentioned though he or she may be, from recognizing that slavery, hatred, discrimination, segregation, and all of their attendant violence, intimidation, depersonalization, and insults, were not invented by white people nor by the USA. There’s something intellectually lazy and disingenuous about blaming a nation and society for their failure to fully overcome the injustice of racism, when at the same time that very nation and society were among the first on earth to recognize the moral wrongness and depravity of such injustice, and to lay the Constitutional and statutory framework to resist and overcome such injustice.One is reminded of a line from the book “Davita’s Harp” by the late Chaim Potok. In a dialog between a “liberal” and a self-proclaimed Communist, the “liberal” says: It is foolish and unfair to judge one society by its stated ideals, and another by its conduct.

  • LL

    Fred Jones. Although I embrace dissent as an integral part of our nation, you are an idiot. Are you educated?

  • McCain’sformercampaignmanager:

    Obiewan:Per your response to Evil Obama — your points might be well taken if Obama had not been raised in part by white grandparents and was not half-caucasian himself. White people know that Obama doesn’t hate whites. The power of the Rev. Wright debacle is that it hands “Swift boat veterans-type” groups a means of fomenting racism among white voters by giving it a patina of legitimacy. That could work, just like the swift boat ads worked (although that didn’t involve racism). Fortunately for Obama, Wright is such an ego maniac, limelight lover that he went to the National Press Club and made a complete fool of himself thereby providing Obama with an easy means of renouncing him. McCain’s people will try hard (even though McCain, to his credit, at one point said it’s off limits) to continue to tar Obama with the Rev. Wright brush. However, intelligent people will be able to see that Obama obviously doesn’t hate whites or hate America (the only problem remaining is that by and large our populace is much longer on emotion than intelligence (which explains how George got elected in ’04). The trick, as I said, will be for the swift boat types who will do McCain’s bidding (whether authorized or not) to get whites to hate Obama because he’s black, not to convince them that Obama hates them.

  • Katie Jones

    It is so obvious to me that Pfleger, Wright and Farrakan are trying to derail Obama’s chances of becoming President. If Obama becomes president then they become irrelevant …their hate filled words are no longer true about this country. The three (3) are offended because Barack is not like them. Sure he has associated with them to reach an important and helpful end to a very important cause – however, he is not like them at all. Obama is 1/2 white and was reared by his all white grandparents. We develop who we are long before we reach our twenties.Also, Obama is running for President – not Wright, Pfleger, nor Farrakan.I am sure President Johnson had to associate with some bigots to get civil rights laws passed but he did not walk in their shoes. The media should let go of this guilt by association.Katie Jones, Evanston, IL

  • JFB

    It seems to me that all the candidates would be better served if they would disavow any religious affiliation. Most of the worlds problems are somehow related to religious beliefs!!!!!

  • MikeinPhilly

    Katie, good points!

  • blm

    Trinity UCC should lose their tax exempt status. They are participating in political activity to the 9′s and therefore are no longer eligible for the tax exempt status.

  • obiewan

    McCain’sformercampaignmanager:If my father had been black there is no way I would sit in a church for 20 years listening to anti-black sermons. I certainly wouldn’t claim the pastor of such a church as my “spiritual mentor” for the past 20 years. Why should I give Obama a pass for doing this very thing for the past 20 years? Personally, I think he knew he had to sit in that church to advance he political ambitions more than he actually believes the doctrine it promotes. The same goes for his association with Ayers. As I said in an earlier post, either way he is disqualified from being President of the United States of America. If Obama is the best the Democrats can offer this country then God help us all.

  • loulor

    FredJones,Fess up. You and Obiewan are really one in the ssme, aren’t you.This is pretty hopeless, it’s like talking to a brick wall, but I’ll try one more time.A closet racist normally dresses up his bigotry by seeing it in the person he opposes. You can’t spot it out there, or even suspect it’s out there, unless it is already alive and well within yourself. It’s the old “Me thinketh he protests too much” syndrome that gives you and yours away.Every time you go off about black churches, theology, or ministers — things you obviously know nothing about — you’re showing us the hatred that’s alive and well inside you.It’s your POSTS that give you away. They are laced with hatred and bile, all dressed up in innocuous language. You just can’t hide anymore, and still continue your hateful posts.

  • obiewan

    Katie Jones:The three are offended because they know Obama used them to get elected to the Illinois State Senate and to Congress. Now that he got what he needed from them he is tossing them overboard and they don’t appreciate it much.

  • Arminius

    DD, you said,Let’s see, somewhere in literature someone said “first kill all the priests”. I think you’re off base. Perhaps you were thinking of the line from Shakespeare’s Henry VI, Part 2: ‘The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers’.

  • obiewan

    loulor:Fred and I are not the same person. The problem you really have with us is that we are presenting a very sound, logical argument regarding Obama’s reason(s) for attending Trinity Church for 20 years and claiming Rev. Wright as his spiritual mentor. Why do YOU think he was a member of that particular church for 20 years? Do you really believe he was unaware of Rev. Wright’s racist views?

  • Anonymous

    ATTENTION ETYMOLOGISTS: Due to recent events, Merriam-Webster has modified the definition of the words “racism” and “racist.” All modifications are indicated by quotes.racistMain Entry:1 : a belief “by racist white people” that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination “as perpetrated by racist white people” 3. : “a reluctance to support Barack Obama’s Presidential candidacy”4. : “any attempt to bring to light or expose accurate information which would serve to damage the credibility or reputation of Barack Obama”— rac•ist -sist also -shist noun or adjective

  • Anonymous

    LL said: Fred Jones. Although I embrace dissent as an integral part of our nation, you are an idiot. Are you educated?LL: And in what way am I an idiot, LL? By the way, what does dissent have to do with this issue. Obama is not the government, is he? What is the power against whom I am dissenting? As to your statement that I am an idiot, without further explanation of your meaning, it is impossible for me to reply.

  • Mr Mark

    If we’ve learned one thing from the Obama campaign, it’s that Sen. Obama is simply too smart to fall into the “tried and true” traps of the RWNM and their media enablers.Let’s face it, they’ve thrown the kitchen sink at Obama, and he’s been able to brush all of it aside with an adroitness that must be the envy of every other world leader. Nothing sticks, no matter how hard they try, while at the same time a few bare spots are emerging on Teflon John’s media-preserved coat of DuPontian non-stick aura.How pathetic has it gotten for the Obama detractors? Well, so pathetic that they’ve run out of new ideas and are reduced to bending over to pick up the same steaming pile of “crazy minister” sheet to throw at Obama, the same sheet that failed to work the last time around.I’m not impressed, are you?Meanwhile, Hillary skulks around warning the super delegates that there’s still plenty of time for Obama to screw-up, and to say or do something that would make him unelectable. Perhaps she’s waiting for Obama to make some stupid comment about RFK’s assassination, or, perhaps she’s waiting for him to make an overtly racist comment about “white voters”…or, perhaps, she’s waiting for him to change his stance on whether or not the votes from Florida and Michigan will count so she can accuse him of being a flip-flopper who will play by the rules as long as he’s allowed to change them at the end of the game.Perhaps.There’s a lot of hand wringing going on in this column, but it’s all for naught on both sides of the aisle. Obama will be elected president in November, and all of this faux angst and all of these BS-as-usual political ploys will be but a faded memory in our collective consciousness.

  • Fred Jones

    The last post to LL was from myself.

  • What’s the big Deal?

    Obama didn’t say it and he quickly denounced what has been said, so just move on with the race!

  • Aged One

    Maybe this guy was turned down for a job by Saturday Night Live

  • obiewan

    Mr Mark:Nothing sticks? Maybe you need to look at the details of the recent voting trends of non-blacks in the primary states since the “Pastor Disaster” broke. Obama has lost the white vote to Hillary is most every state since then. Keep thinking Obama is invincible and you are going to be suicidal come November.

  • Fred Jones

    PGR88 said: I’ll say it one more time – Obama often called Pfleger his “spiritual compass” and Wright is “mentor.” Indeed, Obama did not himself act like the clown at TUCC – but his “spiritual compass” did. Who is worse, the fool, or the fool who takes advice from him? Get the point yet?!PGR88: YOU COULD SAY IT A MILLIONS TIMES, IT COULD BE PROVED BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, INDEED, JESUS COULD COME DOWN JUST TO STATE THE TRUTH OF YOUR STATEMENT, AND THE OBAMA MINIONS WOULD NOT BELIEVE IT. Unfortunately, so many Obama supporters, are not interested in the facts; they are only interested with that which compliments their infatuation. For example, prior to Obama’s candidacy, most Democrats were of the opinion that Bill Clinton was one of the best, perhaps the best, president since FDR. But, that idea got in Obama’s way. He couldn’t have the reputation of his opponent’s husband thwart his ambitions, therefore, with carefully orchestrated race cards and lies of all sorts, he has systematically attempted to destroy the legacy of Bill Clinton and his administration. This is Obama’s modus operandi; he destroys all that stands in his way. Before he is finished, he will have destroyed the unity of the Democratic Party; he will have set race relations back 50 years; and he will have destroyed the Democratic Party’s chance to win the general election and with it, America’s chance to recover from the terrible reign of George Bush. But, I guess to him, all these concerns are secondary to his insatiable and ruthless ambition.

  • MizuInOz

    You call this a gaffe! I call it a truth! And the events of the past few weeks/months have proven this out. Hillary feels the Presidency is owed to her!I am a 61 yr old white male who has been a feminist supporter all of my days and I was a Hillary supporter until she and Bill started playing the race card and the reverse race card and the elitist card and refused to address the issues but preferred to sling mud and mis-spoke untruths. When they looked at how to tear down instead of build up, when they supported McCain more than they support their own party – I walked away!I may get denigrated for my thoughts but I know that Hillary has felt entitled to the nomination and Presidency. It is the game she has played since she moved to New York City from Arkansas.

  • Aged One

    Maybe this guy was turned down for a job by Saturday Night Live

  • Arminius

    Mr Mark,Great post! God knows you and I have had our differences, but I stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you on Obama. A truly amazing number of dain-bramaged unfortunates have littered this blog today.Arminius

  • Anonymous

    LOULOR: I hear that you participated in Merriam-Webster’s modified definition of the word “racist.” Good job.racistMain Entry:1 : a belief “by racist white people” that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination “as perpetrated by racist white people” 3. : “a reluctance to support Barack Obama’s Presidential candidacy”4. : “any attempt to bring to light or expose accurate information which would serve to damage the credibility or reputation of Barack Obama”— rac•ist -sist also -shist noun or adjective

  • fabrice

    Dear Sir, Why should Mr Obama be guilty by association? Your whole expose is weak to say the least.

  • obiewan

    Arminius:It is a bad sign when you side with an opinion that ignores reality. Obama supporters are ignoring the voting trends of the primary elections since the Pastor Disaster and Bittergate broke. Had this hit before Iowa, you wouldn’t even remember Obama’s name right now. Obama should also thank John Edwards for bailing before Super Tuesday elections. This made it a two person race and funneled most non-Hillary votes to Obama. Had Edwards stayed in the race Hillary would be the nominee by now. Don’t let yourself be deluded about Obama being the divine one. He is just the luckiest man in politics this election. The reality is he is a far left liberal with zero experience and I doubt the majority of the country will trust its future to such a candidate.

  • obiewan

    Lillie Aziz:Are you channeling Michele Obama in your post?

  • henry dribble

    why is this a problem. the preacher is white and catholic. Obama is neither. he is mocking Hillary. at this point who is not? this is Hillary’s problem.

  • Liz

    Get a life people! This man is a nut. But don’t use this as an excuse to trash Obama. Obama is not responsible for what comes out of another person’s mouth. But Hillary IS responsible for what comes out of her mouth – such as her not-so-subtle reference to the possibility that Obama may be assassinated, her not-so-subtle appeals to racism, OR her reference to hard-working WHITE people!If we hold Obama responsible for Wright and Father Pfleger, then we must do the following:Hold Hillary responsible for the racist remarks and race baiting of Bill Clinton, Geraldine Ferraro, and her other “close supporters”.Hold McCain responsible for John Hagee and Rod Parsley whose support he at first gladly accepted.

  • obiewan

    Liz:If Obama is not to be held accountable for WILLINGLY being a member of a church that promotes racism then does a member of the KKK need to be held accountable for his membership even if he didn’t burn a cross? Like it or not we all are accountable for who we choose to associate with and Obama is no exception.

  • Ellis

    As an anti-Dem, this is the greatest election since 1984. Watching the self-destruction of the Dems is orgasmic.

  • obiewan

    Arminius:Obama is indeed a far left liberal. All one needs for proof is to examine his Bittergate speech he made to the San Fransisco liberal elite when he thought he wasn’t being taped.

  • Anonymous

    OBIEWAN said: If Obama is not to be held accountable for WILLINGLY being a member of a church that promotes racism then does a member of the KKK need to be held accountable for his membership even if he didn’t burn a cross? Like it or not we all are accountable for who we choose to associate with and Obama is no exception.Obiewan: Of course Obama should not be held to the same standard, because . . . well, because . . . , well, because he is the Obama. He can do no wrong. He is the Messiah. He is God . . .Signed,Typical Obama Minion

  • Ellis

    There’s a rumor circulating that there’s video of Michelle “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country” Obama speaking at Rev. Wright’s church about Whitey. How delicious!

  • Anonymous

    The skin color of the “pastor” really had nothing to do with the issue. It is the hate filled, idiotic preachings which are in question.It does, however, illustrate the mentality of many Obama backers and to a degree – Obama.

  • Awake

    Good God! Let’s dump the preachers already! Also stop pretending we care about churches and presidential candidates. They’re all nuts.

  • Margaret

    Just imagine who Obama will hire if he gets into the White House – what a disaster. I can see riots in the streets. Please don’t put Obama – a racist in a position of leadership in America.

  • Margaret

    Just imagine who Obama will hire if he gets into the White House – what a disaster. I can see riots in the streets. Please don’t put Obama – a racist in a position of leadership in America.

  • Anonymous

    Please consider signing the petition to have Father Michael Pfleger removed as a priest. Pfleger is racist and his behavior is unbecoming to a Catholic priest. Pflager has supported Barack Obamas Pastor Jeremiah Wright and arch-racist and Jew hater, Louis Farrakhan.Father Pfleger’s Racist and Insulting Sermon at Trinity United (Obama’s Church) – May 25, 2008:Petition to the Catholic Church to have Father Pfleger removed:

  • LL

    Fred Jones. You are an idiot because you are comparing apples to shoelaces. The KKK is not the same as a church; that comparison is not valid. About dissent, I was referring to contradicting liberal practices in government, but you are right, it wasn’t the best choice of words. Don’t you know that without radicals we wouldn’t have many of the most basic equalities we have today? To go on would be repeating a lot of what the other people on this blog have posted. It’s pretty cut and dry. “This is a phony controversy. I am not electing the pastor, I am electing the candidate. The media loves to divert people from reality. Look at the bloody mess they made with the Iraq war. When they start trials of the media types who sold people on the war, then I will start worrying about Obama’s pastor “problem”. “I happen to have friends that have had affairs with married men, gotten DUI’s, my brother is an alcoholic…the list goes on. There is not one person in the United States who does not associate with someone who has done something unexcusable. Does that mean we all have bad moral fiber? I certainaly do not have flawed moral fiber. Let’s think about this. There are hundereds of media people who are paid to dig up dirt on any policial figure. Now that they have determined that Obama really has nothing to hide, they are searching within people he has some sort of connection with. Let’s use our common sence…Does that mean Obama has flawed moralitiy. Absolutely not.”

  • fran

    please, noone cares what the clintons think anymore, yes this will help mccain gather scared white people, but he had their vote anyway.

  • obiewan

    LL:The purpose of being a member of an organization like a church, social group or even the KKK is to associate with people who have common views and beliefs with yourself. Obama has been a member of that church for 20 years and he must share the views of the majority of its members. Otherwise, why would he join that particular church? If it wasn’t for his belief in the church’s theology then for political gain? Why did he choose to be a member of this particular church for 20 years? I want an honest answer from him. So far I have received a bunch of double talk from Obama. So far the most honest reason I have heard has come from Rev. Wright himself. Isn’t that ironic?

  • JohnAdams1

    First of all the bashing of women by a disturbed priest who has lost his way was unwelcome by all women and especially catholic women. Senators and US reps who happen to be catholic but endorsing Obama in such a public way is very alarming and should be to people of all faiths including catholics. No one can underestimate the catholic church and their larger fight now seems to be for american democracy. The catholic church will through the supreme court and now through congress will remake our constitution for us. I hope the the obama supporters understand the stakes.

  • Dwight

    I am a catholic and this Priest is no catholic. Catholic priests are supposed to represent JESUS CHRIST on earth, and this man is not doing that, instead he is spreading hate…

  • DB

    This is a man that gets it! you cant be mad at him for speaking the truth.

  • Anonymous

    LL SAID: Fred Jones. You are an idiot because you are comparing apples to shoelaces. NOT SURE HOW TO RESPOND TO THIS OTHER THAN TO SAY IT IS A TYPICAL INANE INSULT FROM AN OBAMA SUPPORTER.LL SAID: The KKK is not the same as a church; that comparison is not valid. THE KKK STATEMENT ON THEIR WEBSITE SAYS: BRINGING A MESSAGE OF HOPE AND DELIVERANCE TO WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS. The KKK professes to be a Christian-based organization which promotes white pride and white culture. This sounds a lot like the statement on the welcome page of Obama’s church: We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian… Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain “true to our native land,” the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.” Obama’s church preaches black liberation theology, which is based upon the struggle between the “white oppressor” and the “black oppressed,” and the black value system. LL SAID: About dissent, I was referring to contradicting liberal practices in government, but you are right, it wasn’t the best choice of words. Don’t you know that without radicals we wouldn’t have many of the most basic equalities we have today? To go on would be repeating a lot of what the other people on this blog have posted. It’s pretty cut and dry.I AGREE WITH YOU that those who criticize government are essential. My problem with Obama’s church is that they frame our problems as black/white issues, very much like the KKK does. Rev. Wright thinks about everything pretty much in terms of black versus white. He called 9/11, for example, a “wake-up call to white people.” He asserts that the country is run by “rich white people.” Commenting on the recent murder of Natalie Holloway, he decried the press coverage by stating that “one 18—year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months.” He describes the story of Jesus as a “black Jesus” who was murdered by “white people,” or more specifically, “garlic nosed” white people. This kind of racism is very much like the fundamentalist Christians who purposefully state and restate that Jesus was “killed by the Jews,” as a way to damn all Jews. So, LL, I am all for truth to power; I’m just against racism.

  • Bob Miller

    Okay… someone mentioned the KKK.If I were a white politician.. and attended a KKK meeting once a week for 20 years. And I sat on the bleachers and listened to the SAME grand poo bob for that same period of time AND had that KKK POO BOB on Then I preached, called down the wraith of my supporters on that Grand Poo Bob and had him lock himself up in the closet, and moved on to the next skeleton in my closet.I am the DNC nominee…ALMOST.. and low and beholdDO YOU THINK I WOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAY IN THE RACE.The American voter… IS BLIND, HAS BEEN BLIND and will continue to be BLIND as long as they listen to the main stream media… that is controlled by the rich and powerful. NOTE that HUSSEIN is keeping a low profile… until this DNC cronies insure that he is the candidate. IF ANYONE believes that the political system in the UNITED STATES careers about the AMERICAN VOTER, the Constitution. You have to be attending that same church as HUSSEIN and then leaving and attending the KKK meeting down the street. (NOT LIKELY, HUH.)

  • db

    I’m a catholic too, and no body can tell me that the Church and the Priest have been preaching Jesus and Holy of Holy. The church is controlled like a business, wonder why priest are not allowed to be married? Because it saves the church allot of money. People are shocked because his white but this is black theology who’s roots are intertwined with liberation theology. Wright and Pflager are not preaching hatred because if they were, the followers will be out their killing white people. The safest place foe a white person is the black church. Oh! And I’m white.

  • Steve Singer

    Another pastor-disaster? Third in as many weeks, if I’m not mistaken. Add these pirouettes to the U.S. Marines who handed silver coins to Muslim passers-by that had New Testament phrases engraved on them, or used the Qur’an for target practice (in Iraq). These are called “no-brainers” where I come from, because people who do them obviously have no brains; ditto wise-guy priests (although I’m not a Ditto-head myself). But is there an emerging trend? Maybe I should join the lowing herd on its way over a cliff; go with the flow; ride this wave of non-thought to the end of the line, wherever it takes me (the nearest sewage outfall into Lake Michigan, probably). How? By forming a garage band and naming it “PastOR DisastOR”, or something even more provocative and well-seasoned (borrowing a phrase from a Seasoning Salt commercial), like “Pedophile Priest”.There! I said it! Either, in my humble opinion, says it all.

  • A F

    Obama is unelectable. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

  • georgieboy

    It seems to me that anyone with half a brain can see that this so called new preacher is a setup. Anyone who really supports Obama would not do this. Anyone who does support Obama knows that doing this will only hurt him. This pastor is a setup. Black people have suffered this type of setup before and to most of them this is clear as day. This preacher was either paid or blackmailed into doing this little stunt. He is no Obama supporter.

  • Anonymous

    DB said: Wright and Pflager are not preaching hatred because if they were, the followers will be out their killing white people. SO, DB, your evidence that the theology of Obama’s church, black liberation theology, is not racist is that the church members are not out killing white people? First, whether any church members have committed any crimes against white people is something neither you or I can know. Second, assuming you are correct that the church members are not killing white people, that is not proof of the absence of hate speech at the church. Your assumption that everyone who hears hate speech will automatically begin killing people is fallacious.

  • orrg1

    This is ridiculous. How on earth does this have anything to do with Obama? Is he supposed to to gather every pastor, priest, and rabbi he’s ever had contact with and tell them to ipzay the iplay? Go crawl in a hole and take these men a’ god with you.

  • obiewan

    georgieboy:If this latest Pastor Disaster is a setup then why were the nearly ALL BLACK congregation enthusiastically support the Priest’s sermon? Are you saying those black people are so easily duped to support a person in their own pulpit that is really out to torpedo Obama? Come on, you Obama supporters are running out of excuses for your candidate.

  • Anonymous

    YEAH, OBAMA BARELY KNEW PFLEGER: Rev. Michael Pfleger, the left-leaning Chicago Catholic priest who ridiculed Hillary Rodham Clinton this week in a racially-charged speech from the pulpit of Barack Obama’s church, has contributed to Obama’s state Senate campaigns, backed his ill-fated run for Congress and stumped for him in Iowa.In a Chicago Tribune story a year ago, Obama defended special budget earmarks for his district while he was a state legislator, including ones that went to programs associated with Pfleger’s church. Pfleger gave Obama’s campaigns $1,500 between 1995 and 2001, including $200 in April 2001, about three months after Obama announced at least $100,000 in grants to St. Sabina programs. Obama’s spokesman, Ben LaBolt, was unable to say when Obama last spoke to Pfleger. LaBolt said Pfleger stepped down from the Catholics for Obama committee a few weeks ago, but he could not say why.He confirmed that Obama steered a $100,000 state grant in 2000 to a Pfleger-affiliated community program.”Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, Obama says.”Last year, Pfleger invited the Rev. Louis Farrakhan to speak at his church, St. Sabina, which encompasses a large, inner city African American parish. Pfleger backed up Farrakhan in a 2006 controversy over some remarkable Farrakhan bile. Pfleger criticized a mass resignation of Jewish members on a state of Illinois hate crimes commission. Pfleger said “good riddance” to the people who had left the commission. “Leave, go ahead and go on out, we don’t need that kind of a spirit or mentality and a narrowness on that kind of commission. I’m glad they’re gone,” Pfleger said.Farrakhan said, “These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood. It’s the wicked Jews, the false Jews that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality,” and “Zionists have manipulated Bush and the American government” over the war in Iraq.Why in heavens’ name was Obama supporting this guy? And putting him on his Catholic advisory council?

  • ZWrite

    STOP WRITING ABOUT STUPID PASTORS!!!Another stupid guilt-by-association column.When are we going to use relevant information to make a decision about who will be the best president? How about studying the public service careers of Obama, McCain, and Clinton instead of judging them by the stupid statements of three or four people who are among the thousands of people they know?The answers are that Americans will NOT do these things because they are stupid!!Speaking of stupid, anyone who believes that any parishioner or congregant automatically has the same beliefs as the religious leader of his or her church or temple is stupid beyond belief.And when are we going to realize that religious leaders themselves are often egomaniacal, close-minded, doctrinaire, and the LEAST likely to reflect the opinions of intelligent congregants?Obama’s real problem might be that he decided to join a church for political reasons. In other words, the macro problem might be the American population’s stupidity in favoring religious people when it is NONE of their business.Yes, it is plausible that Obama might have NOT heard the nutty Rev. Wright’s speeches. He might be so unreligious that he avoided the church except for attending functions that benefited him for local political reasons.Thank you,

  • Whitey

    PHEW !Thank God it’s a White Guy this time !Anyway, no big deal, move along… He’s White… We checked it out.Everything’s fine.He’s not Black. It’s cool.

  • Heathen Man

    I got an idea !Let’s ignore ALL the pastors, priests, preachers, etc, like everyone does when they say “Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You.”That way, it doesnt look so hypocritical.OR, if you don’t like what the Pastor says, don’t go to his Church.That’s what I do.

  • Dick

    Well, maybe this is the reason that a lot of us are drifting away from traditional church. This guy is waaaay out. Talk to us Father, when you are off the drugs!

  • faithfulservant3

    Theories on “white privilege” are not “radical left” views. In fact, President Bill Clinton’s task force on race made it a key part of it’s findings about a decade ago.More importantly, it’s refreshing to see a white person who truly appreciates the African American point of view. I believe that America can learn from Fr. Pfleger..This is what an AP story said about him:”He has hit the streets, sometimes with busloads of parishioners in tow, to protest Jerry Springer’s television show, stores that sell drug paraphernalia and gun violence. He’s been arrested for acts of civil disobedience, such as smearing red paint on alcohol and tobacco billboards.”In addition, he suggested that his parishioners pay prostitutes and drug addicts so that they would HAVE to listen to the gospel. This is a new take on the gospeler Luke’s instruction to “compel” people to come to Christ, but I like it (Luke 14:23).At least this man and Rev. Wright are DOING positive things in the community.Jacques, why isn’t the press asking McCain and Hillary what their pastors are DOING? Faith without works is dead.

  • Pietro

    There should be separation between Church and State: indeed it seems to me that in USA this separations is less that what we have in Italy with the Pope and Vatican always in the middle (actually now, with this Pope I should say in the far wright).

  • Cheryl

    This is why people thought that separation of church and state was the way to go decades ago.

  • obiewan

    There already is plenty of separation between the church and state in the USA. The real problem is that the radical far left liberals want to REPLACE the church with the state.

  • Mighty7

    What I have known since the first day I put my foot in America:American religious leaders are one nutty bunch of false prophets, egomaniacs and lunatics. Left ones, right ones, they are all the same.

  • Ted DeLaney

    All of the focus on comments by pastors and other supporters seems silly, and I cannot remember this being a factor in presidential campaigns of the past. The most important words are those that come from the candidates, and they even make mistakes. I wish everyone would ignore statements from people like biased supporters including Father Pfleger and Geraldine Ferraro.

  • obiewan

    Mighty7:I agree 100%. Religion in this country is largest unregulated business we have going.

  • obiewan

    Ted DeLaney:The reason religion hasn’t been an issue in the past is because no serious contender has ever been a 20 year member of a church that supports racism and hate speech. We are blazing new territory this election. Obama is hurting race relations far more than he is helping them and you can’t blame it on white people either. Or Hillary for that matter. Last time I checked, Obama chose to attend the Trinity Church and nobody forced him to stay for 20 years.

  • Bryan

    Obama is no more responsible for this priest’s comments than the Pope. He’s an ordained Catholic priest. If the Catholic Church doesn’t apologize for him, why should anyone else?

  • AJB

    I don’t see the priest’s remarks as being unfair to Hillary, especially since she made the point that “SHE HAD THE SUPPORT OF WHITE, WORKING CLASS AMERICANS”, thus pointing out her race and those that supported her were white. Now, when a WHITE Man pokes fun at her, everyone is all up in the air. Seems kind of stupid. She can also send out coded messages for “White” fanatics to assasinate Obama and that is fine also.

  • AJB

    I don’t see the priest’s remarks as being unfair to Hillary, especially since she made the point that “SHE HAD THE SUPPORT OF WHITE, WORKING CLASS AMERICANS”, thus pointing out her race and those that supported her were white. Now, when a WHITE Man pokes fun at her, everyone is all up in the air. Seems kind of stupid. She can also send out coded messages for “White” fanatics to assasinate Obama and that is fine also.

  • Robert Shea

    Okay, Jacques.

  • Scy

    Oh for heaven’s sake this stuff is just not important. Unless the politician “McCain or Obama) says “yeah, that’s what I think” then it is meaningless. Suppose your kid tells his teach to go **** themselves. Is it as though you said it? Should you get in trouble? Not unless you say, “yep, I agree.” This nations is facing a multitude of horrific problems and you waste publishing space on yet another non-story. Sad.

  • Don Berry

    Did Hillary write your headline? Is Obama responsible for everything that ever did happen or ever will happen in that church? This is nonsense.

  • jhbyer

    I’m a white, female who has noooo problem with Father Pfleger’s righteous rant. Does he lie? No. Is he wrong? Only Hillary knows, and though she’s not telling, she’s on record as the only POTUS candidate in modern history to openly suggest being white makes her more qualified.

  • Bernie

    It is time for Change with a capitol C in the Roman Catholic Church, I say as a born and reared Catholic and Dir. of Catholic Charities.But, who is going to do it with old men from the Pope all the way down, together with some really immature and neurotic young priests. Who?

  • Fayek awad

    I wonder why you keep yourselves busy and drag the American people with you to this nonsense? If some activists are fond to be in the spot light using this kind of theatrical acts, you are helping them by spreading the news in your broadcasting system meanwhile you are hurting an innocent man called Barrack Obama. There is much talk at news channels which I prefer to call empty talks but very few information. In order to get a little bit of information I am forced to listen against my will to vain, repeated stories and attend unbearable cycles of commercials. Is there an end to this dilemma? Don’t you feel folks that time is precious? If so, why you fill the air with talk, talk, talk? Please have mercy on us.

  • Anonymous

    WE WISH TO GO ON RECORD AND STATE THAT WE SUPPORT BARACK OBAMA. He is our lord and savior, and he shall deliver the world from sin. Signed,Louis “racist and proud of it” FarrakhanAnd various other racists, terrorists, dictators and indicted individuals.

  • Alice Geary

    I feel that Oboma is far from ready to lead this country. He has neither the experience nor the tenacity that Clinton has. I resent the fact that the media has exhibited bias towards Clinton. If truth be told she is the only one that can win against Mc Cain. Alice, S.C.

  • fayek awad

    I wonder why you keep yourselves busy and drag the American people with you to this nonsense? If some activists are fond to be in the spot light using this kind of theatrical acts, you are helping them by spreading the news in your broadcasting system meanwhile you are hurting an innocent man called Barrack Obama. There is much talk at news channels which I prefer to call empty talks but very few information. In order to get a little bit of information I am forced to listen against my will to vain, repeated stories and attend unbearable cycles of commercials. Is there an end to this dilemma? Don’t you feel folks that time is precious? If so, why you fill the air with talk, talk, talk? Please have mercy on us.

  • Clif

    JHBEYER is right. Outstanding comment. Nothing he is saying is offensive or wrong. He gives one opinion that is questionable about Hillary, but like JHBEYER says, Hillary invited the comment by constantly talking about her white support and being qualified because of Bill.

  • joe ullom

    It is unfortunate that many compare Bill Clinton’s remarks with this garbage; or they want to give equal stand to this crap with Hillary’s historical fact of the RFK assassination. Then Obama takes the “high road”. I can see why so many women and men, as in E J Dionne’s column on Friday were not quickly wanting to join the good fight with Obama.

  • Fayek Awad

    My previous and main message you failed to receive for reasons I do not realy understand. If this happen from the Washington Post which I consider No (1) in the country, this very much disappoints me.

  • Anonymous

    BOYCOTT OBAMA: Ohio resident Cynthia Ruccia, spokesperson for a group called “Clinton Supporters Count Too,” said the group stands ready to boycott the Democratic Party if Clinton doesn’t win the nomination. “We have a plan to campaign against Obama,” the group said in a press release Thursday. “We have the (wo)manpower and the money to make our threat real. Ruccia tells ABC News that she believes “millions” of women share her group’s views. They’re disgusted, she said, that Democratic Party leaders haven’t more aggressively denounced sexist media comments and coverage in the campaign, and are angry at the drumbeat for Clinton to get out of the race. “We’re just at the boiling point,” Ruccia said. “Women will sit back and be quiet about things for a while, but we’ve had enough. Unless Hillary is our nominee, we are not going to support the nominee.” [email protected]

  • Fayek Awad

    My previous and main message you failed to receive for reasons I do not realy understand. If this happen from the Washington Post which I consider No (1) in the country, this very much disappoints me.

  • Fayek Awad

    My previous and main message you failed to receive for reasons I do not realy understand. If this happen from the Washington Post which I consider No (1) in the country, this very much disappoints me.

  • Fayek Awad

    My previous and main message you failed to receive for reasons I do not realy understand. If this happen from the Washington Post which I consider No (1) in the country, this very much disappoints me.

  • Truth Police

    I’m tired of this crap. TUCC should lose their tax exemption. That church is the most racist I’ve ever heard. I like the double-standard that applies. I realize that this latest pastor is white, but when Rev. Wright made those comments I heard people say “he’s just misunderstood, because he’s afro-centric”. I dont remember anyone making excuses for David Duke and his ilk, by saying it’s ok he’s just anglo-centric. BO and MO have some nerve hanging out with people who claim crap about entitlemen, when both of their butts are ivy league educated.

  • Harold

    It was the Rev. Wright who reminded me that black is not so beautiful after all and it was Rev. Pfleger who reminded me that once upon a time, white was ugly however, I deny any responsibility for what happened during these times, because I had no part in it and am disgusted by Pfleger’s seeding and feeding of hatred, hailed and praised by that congregation. Obama’s association with the people who’s objective it is to destroy my dream, will be the reason he’ll never get my vote. The thought that these are also the people who brought him, makes it even more disgusting.

  • MJ

    What I find so GALLING about this video (besides the falling out of their chairs by the guys in the robes)is that “Father” Pfleger is performing an almost repulsive Stepin Fetchit routine. Blacks don’t need to feel victimized to succeed. It surprises me that black people aren’t offended by this.I will never vote for Obama. Too many people around him loathe Hillary , especially Michelle. I will write in Hillary’s name or vote McCain.

  • Shirley Freeman

    Your comment that Obama is “above” Republican and Democrat, etc. may be exactly the point. For 20 years, while the rants from his pulpit went on and on, Sen. Obama knew that children were being indoctrinated with hate while he just sat there, looking above at all, and never raised a protest, never tried to bring about any racial reconciliation, never tried to curb the hatred and malice spewing out of that pulpit, to the delight of many of the congregation. Sen. Obama, to be a reconciler, you have to reach out to people, to help them develop empathy for each other, compassion for people different from themselves, you have to help them see their common interests. You can’t do that from above. You have to get down, and be a servant.The video of Mr. (I can’t call him Reverend) Pflager was sickening, it was so venomous. If Sen. Obama could sit through such speeches for 20 years without protest, then he has way too much racist baggage, in my view, to be a President of all the people. No way. That’s it for me.

  • stmr

    First of all, when are we going to realize that these pastors, like many out there these days, are out there to give a show? It’s like TV, even more like reality TV. You do whatever you can to “put butts in the seats.” Saying outrageous stuff gets people talking, gets you the buzz, and next time you’ve got a full house.

  • paul taylor

    Yes.Ok, and now it is time for the right-wing conspiracy bugaboo to come out of its outhouse. And I must say, Obama’s life story, as it is unfolding around his friendships, is fueling the conservative paranoia. This is going to be an especially dirty election.Yes, especially against uniters.

  • John

    I just watched the video and I think Father Michael Pfleger is sick and the Trinity Church congregation is sick.

  • LL

    To those who responded to my KKK not being a church statement. A church is centered around works for the needy and faith in a higher being to deliver us from sin. I am not saying it is right or wrong or that those are my personal beiefs, but please go visit a church before saying it is about other things. It doesn’t matter what the KKK site says. Just because another organization (KKK) has some rhetoric on thier website that sounds like a christian mission statements on a church website does not relate them in any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention the huge elephant in the room – what the KKK has done to solidify thier “cause” throughout history. Please, let’s be logical here.The bottom line with me is that Obama did not say those statements. They were said by the VISITING pastor. Yes, the church he attended was a “black” church. But have you ever visited a “black” church? They are ALL filled with political Black-White relations rhetoric. In fact, the entire Southeast and many other “divided” states are filled with that ingrained in thier culture. It is reality that there are black-white issues in our country. I grew up in southern california and moved to the southeast for my undergraduate degree in polical science. I was initially very appalled by the rasicm that went both ways in that culture. However, there is a history of such violence, such gross oppression, that I slowly realized that the American culture is still very badly scarred, and badly divided. This has caused that type of rhetoric to be present in the black community. This, however, does not mean that EVERY black person feels this way or is an EXTREMEST. You have to agree that there are EXTREMIST nutcases in every color, every religion, every corner of every culture. Therefore, to say that Obama feels the way his pastor does about those few statements in one sermon is to GENERALIZE a culture and a race, which is irresponsible. Every person on this planet is exposed to different ideas, different schools of thought and different ways of relating and speaking to the “souls” of others. We then pick and choose to agree with what we feel speaks to us and discard what we don’t agree with – which is why i reposted the comment about the friend who had an affair with a married man. I associate with this person, spend a lot of time with this person, love and respect this person for many things. However, I DEEPLY disagree with the choice she made at that time in her life. I disagree with that aspect of her. I am a thinking individual as is Obama. A pastor may “speak” to Obama’s soul about many things, but it DOES NOT MEAN that he agrees with certain statements in one sermon.

  • McCain’sformercampaignmanager

    Yo!People, anyone saying that Obama is racist against whites needs to go find their thinking cap and put it on. HE IS HALF WHITE and was raised by white grandparents. It’s fine if you want to rail against him and argue his faults, but at least be rational. Obiewan:Is the glass half empty or half full? Many people think that right wing Bible thumpers want to replace the state with the church. Indeed, lots of nuts in my own church (Roman Catholic) want the law to simply parrot Catholic teachings.The Constitution does not command “separation” of church and state. It says the state cannot establish a religion (i.e., cannot sponsor or require religion or religious belief). It also says that the state cannot prohibit the free exercise of religion, and indeed everyone in this country has the right to exercise their religion freely. However, others are not required to exercise any particular religion (or any religion). That’s what these religious zealots don’t like. They want the LAW to ENFORCE their religious beliefs. If free exercise for themselves isn’t good enough, they should just go to a country where everyone is required to follow a particular religion. They would be happier, and so would the rest of us.

  • Amy

    A jaw dropping, mystifying display by Pastor Pfleger. Since he’s not Obama’s minister, it should remain a curiosity rather than a serious issue.

  • McCain’sformercampaignmanager

    ATTENTION HILLARY SUPPORTERS:I like her too, but face facts. She is finished, and is now trying to figure out a way to exercise some control over the platform and the V.P. part of the ticket.It does no good for you to trash Obama. It is still very early in the election. You will have to vote for either Obama or McCain (unless you decide to waste your vote). In the heat of these campaigns, it’s easy to get your emotions inflamed and to buy the rhetoric of the candidate you like best. But soon you will be despising McCain and will see that Obama is a much better choice for someone who wants to see Hillary’s positions prevail. That is why Hillary has been careful and measured in saying that the democrats will be united regardless of which of them wins. Hillary can and will be a very powerful senator, probably the new Ted Kennedy or maybe even better. Not being the president is not going to keep her down.

  • Bob

    All you Obama supporters, as I am trying to be, better quit trying to fly above this or playing your own reverse race cards. This is serious stuff when it appears so many who want to see him elected, who have known him for much of his development to date, have major chips on their shoulders and serious vendetas to settle. This starts to correct itself, without us doing the same thing, admitting how big of idiots these “Rev.s” are- and what they say had better not ever take hold in the policies of our President. NEVER, EVER should our President govern with vendeta. It would bring to bear, open-eyed, what we are so mad about President Bush doing. So, is it right now? I BELIEVE not!

  • saybah

    We know that the media is dying to see Obama’s campaign derail.The double standard stinks to the high heaven. Where was the outrage for McCain’s Hagee. How many weeks did it take for McCain to distance himself from Hagee? How long?Throughout this campaign, Barack Obama have fought, not just the formidable Bill and Hillary Clinton tag team, but the right wing and so-called liberal media, and the GOP, as well.Studies after studies have shown that Barack Obama has gotten more negative coverage. People try to diminish his accomplishments and some try to belittle him. But the man has remained above the fray.The media strives desparately and some work overtime to stir up the pot to inflame the racial divide in this country. They point to the white voters that won’t vote for Obama, yet you never hear them talk about McCain and minority voters. They ask if Jews will vote for Obama. You will recall at a certain time in the campaign, there was this question: Is Barack Obama black enough. Back then they were laying the ground work to paint him as the black candidate.Barack Obama has never allowed the media or his rivals to paint him as that person that they want him to be. But clearly we can see that they will continue to try. Scott McClellan was right. The media fell down on the job that mattered a whole heap to this country. When it came to covering the news that mattered to Americans, they faltered.This silly priest’s comments is not the result of 4,000 dead Americans, many of them too young to die. It will not be the reason why a child goes hungry in this country tonight, nor will it fix the health care problems. Talk about that? No.The media will not discuss those pertinent issues. But yes they like to divide us. That’s how they make their money.One thing is for sure, there’s a good number of these same talking heads who don’t want to see Barack Obama become president of this nation. But they use the poor working class to hide behind their true feelings. They scapegoat the race issues. Barack Obama with a White mother and a black father, a mother who was once on food stamps, he’s labeled as an elite. The other candidates in this race who grew up with silver spoons in their mouths are hardly commented about in this fashion.Can you see the duplicity? Can you see what some of us clearly see.We are not stupid.

  • Joseph

    I thought churches and pastors would loose their tax exempt status if they converted the pulpit to a political forum.That will probably not happen but it should. This Chicago church should loose its exempt status. As for the “priest”. He should be flogged. Another person who hate whites. Obama does. I feel sad for anyone who votes for someone who supports GOD DAMN AMERICA like he did. He may not be a traitor but he is certainly not a patriot.

  • Randy

    The real problem is that the separation of church and state is not happening on the pulpit. Every church that uses the pulpit to endorse or trash a particular political candidate should loose its tax free exemptions. That is the law. If this nation was not so ignorant and religiously ridiculous these clowns would not even be mentioned. But since their ridiculous teachings and superstitions are given ample forum all over the place their stupidity can either hurt or elevate the likability of a political contender. Obama happened to be in the wrong church at the wrong time. This would not happen to a secularist. But, that word has no place in this ignorant christian nation.

  • bruce

    The question in my mind is how smart is Senator Obama when he chooses to listen to people putting down someone or any group of people as in these churches, like for 20 years so doing. Some of the bashing it is said, is to identify with parishioner’s daily struggle, I don’t buy that and think that the venting becomes the enabler of more venting and then to just plain more bashing. To some, they feel smarter. Churches should be apolitical or lose their tax exemption when they become a forum of politics and debasing of character. I read that Obama will not take a picture with the mayor of San Francisco, Neusom has said so, and he is in short distance to the speaker of the house and one California senator. Californians, 51 to 43 believe it is time to quit being self righteous and quit being shallow. Lot of careless debunking of people, we rely on the leaders to know better.

  • melody, Snohomish, wa

    This just proves once again that Barrack Hussein Obama is not Presidential material. His dirty chicago politics are finally becoming news. His mask is finally being taken off. He is not an African American, he is bi-racial, pretending to be an African-American. This is not someone he barely knows. This once again proves that obama has a problem with judgement. His act of change is a lie. He is an embarrassment to the democratic party. He needs to stay in chicago with all his other crooked friends, resko, ayers,auchi, quietly please go away. YOu can proudly attend your hate mongering church. We do not want to hear from you again.

  • Southernlight

    I wonder if ‘the so called men of g-d’ do think for a second of what would be the expression of HIS face listening to all this political hatred. When they should be talking about HIS graceful love and the opportunity for forgiveness and salvation. This people are not Christians. They give us all a bad name, not in the mouths of other men and women but in the eyes of G-d.

  • Fred Jones

    MCCAINSFORMERCAMPAIGN People, anyone saying that Obama is racist against whites needs to go find their thinking cap and put it on. HE IS HALF WHITE and was raised by white grandparents. It’s fine if you want to rail against him and argue his faults, but at least be rational.FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THAT. When Louis Farrakhan was speaking to his followers the day that he endorsed Obama, he made a point of telling them that Malcolm X was also part white. Yes, Malcolm X, who hated white people with a passion until his conversion from the Nation of Islam just before his murder at the hands of NOI members.

  • obiewan

    saybah:There is no outrage over Hagee because McCain did not sit in his church for 20 years and claimed him as his spiritual mentor as Obama has done with Rev. Wright. Are you really that dense to not see the difference?

  • Fred Jones

    Many Obama supporters cannot face the truth about their candidate, period. They began supporting him when they knew nothing about him, and now that they’ve invested so much of themselves in the “change” he pretended to represent, there is just no turning back for them. No, they will not let information which does not support their image of this man intrude upon their dreams. I blame Obama for this, more than his supporters. He knew he was perpetrating a terrible hoax on the voters of this country from the start. He knew the kinds of ruthless tactics he had used from the beginning to jumpstart his political career. He knew about his dubious associations and how they flew in the face of his calls for “change” and “unification.” He knew about the racist theology to which he subscribed for 20 years, and how destructive such ideas are to the progress of race relations in this country. No, I do not place primary blame for our current unfortunate situation on his supporters; I place it squarely on Obama, who has shown an almost criminal lack of concern about the damage his tactics have done not only to the Democratic Party, but more importantly, to relations between the races about which, ironically, he professes to care so much.

  • Grace Wessel

    Jacques Berlinerblau wrote: . . . .are there any guys on the face of the earth having more fun than the four fellows in robes whooping it up directly behind Father Pfleger? Third, are we going to be told by Obama operatives that the remarks were taken out of context? Fourth, and most importantly, what will be the fallout for the Obama campaign?In a general election a presidential candidate typically moves to the center. It is now going to be even harder for Obama to do that since America keeps seeing footage of his friends who stand to the left of Fidel Castro.But that’s not all. The Senator from Illinois has his share of difficulties with White Blue Collar voters. I have observed elsewhere that this group loathes this type of rhetoric (unless it comes from Chris Rock). There’s more to be concerned about. Obama has demonstrated some weakness with Catholic voters. The fact that he finds himself receiving glowing praise from a priest who has been in a running, public feud with his local Cardinal might aggravate the problem.I believe they are more racist than white people are. If one looks at many statements Barack Obama, himself, has said about being resentful of white people, and Michelle, also. When they did the Oprah rally, it was very evident that their joy wasn’t in the fact that Barack Obama was running for the presidency, but that a black man was running for the presidency.They brought out the MLK tone and rhetoric. In fact, in chicago, Barack had a nickname “Vanilla” because he did not speak in a MLK tone.But he can sure bring it on when he wants to.Obama has always played “reverse dirty tricks” on Hillary, and now it is more evident than ever that Obama is also playing the “reverse race card” on Hillary and Bill Clinton, for that matter.They knew that the Clintons were held in high esteem and affection from the African Americans. They had to do something drastic, and they did. I have done a lot of reading and research on Barack Obama, Jr. He has been listening to terrorist rantings and railings (his father was an Arab terrorist that belonged to the Kenyatta Group. That group pillaged, burned, raped and murdered for their cause.Barack Obama, Jr’s mother was a radical anti-American.Barack Obama, Jr’s mentor in Hawaii was an avowed communist, named Frank (in Barack’s book), and Frank took Barack Obama to Marxist meetings until he was 18 years old.Malcom X’s attorney is the one that paved the way for Barack to get into Harvard Law School.He didn’t get that position because of high academic achievements, he got it the same way he is running his campaign now – pandering, pandering, pandering, lying, lying, lying, “forgetting” (Rezko, Auchi, The Trinity Church), and every Chicago Way tactic there is.Barack Obama is not an honorable, high minded man. He is doing what one of his former campaign people said, he is is operating his campaign with his “elbows out.” There isn’t anything unifying, hopeful, about him, and with his many, many anti-American, domestic terrorist, and corrupt Chicago political friends and associates, I seriously doubt that the change Barack Obama, Jr., wants to bring to Washington and America is the Change we seek. gw.

  • Anonymous

    This shows how stupid one is to get involved in religion.

  • Anonymous

    religion is neeto

  • obiewan

    Amy wrote: A jaw dropping, mystifying display by Pastor Pfleger. Since he’s not Obama’s minister, it should remain a curiosity rather than a serious issue.It shouldn’t remain a curiosity because this rant occurred in Obama’s church. Obama has also shoved hundreds of thousands of dollars into Pfleger’s lap over the years. This also shows that the new pastor of Trinity Church is cut from the same mold as Rev. Wright to allow such hate filled sermons to be served up from his pulpit. Obama is a member of this church right now and has been for 20 years. This matter is going to bring him down come November. We are just seeing the tip of the iceberg with Obama. Wait until this fall. We are going to see much more to come and it won’t look good for Obama when it happens. One video of him or his wife in the congregation during a Wright rant will spell the end of his campaign.

  • Dave D

    This new “controversy” is dumb. The priest apologized right away.

  • Anonymous

    Please consider signing the petition to have Father Michael Pfleger removed as a priest. Pfleger is racist and his behavior is unbecoming to a Catholic priest. Pflager has supported Barack Obama’s Pastor Jeremiah Wright and arch-racist and Jew hater, Louis Farrakhan.Father Pfleger’s Racist and Insulting Sermon at Trinity United (Obama’s Church) – May 25, 2008:Petition to the Catholic Church to have Father Pfleger removed:

  • obiewan

    Fred Jones, good post. You also forget to blame the liberal controlled main stream media for giving Obama a pass. They knew everything that has come to light recently well over a year ago and tried to sweep it under the rug. Hillary’s big mistake was to not go at Obama hard last November. She tried to play nice and that just isn’t her style.

  • Jeff Taylor

    I have yet to see a clip of one of these charlatans actually teaching God’s Word.

  • obiewan

    Dave D wrote: This new “controversy” is dumb. The priest apologized right away.Let me guess….. you actually think Pfleger’s apology was sincere and he really believes he made a mistake? Snap out of your Obama induced haze and live in the real world.

  • Bob Miller

    Perhaps being one of those uneducated,gun tottingMsybe understand where there is smoke there is FIRE. All the Obama supporters are like ‘cult memebers’. They are also like the lemmings… they will follow him blindly anywhere… This new PREIST friend is another skeleton in the closet for OBAMA. Why does the American Voter continue to believe that OBAMA does not agree with the liberal racists beliefs of the VIPER WRIGHT and this ‘PREIST’ that has been too long in the South part of Chicago. Oh, by the way. Obama… is either the slickest lair in the political arena OR he is going to be the the WORST KNIGHTMARE for working class America.

  • Athena

    Last I heard, it was the Trinity United Church of Christ, NOT the Church of Obama. Sen. Obama has no control over who is in the pulpit or what is said there. He wasn’t even there – he was campaigning. Granted, the priest had a bad case of foot-in-mouth disease. But at least he wasn’t calling invoking Hitler, or saying that Islam was evil. Isn’t it nice to have a priest get in trouble for something other than pedophilia?

  • Rubiconski

    It’s funny the racist white media is attacking black churches. Despite Hillary Clinton’s traditional role of offended victim, she’s been playing up the fears and ignorance of poor whites and rich whites. Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton need to go back to Arkansas because progressives in California and New York don’t want you anymore!

  • Chief Two Dogs

    I thought what the priest said was funny, and true.

  • LOUIS FARRAKHAN

    ATHENA SAID: Last I heard, it was the Trinity United Church of Christ, NOT the Church of Obama. Sen. Obama has no control over who is in the pulpit or what is said there. He wasn’t even there – he was campaigning.I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY. Why should Obama bear any responsibility for his actions over the last 20 years regarding his relationship with Rev. Wright? After all, Rev. Wright is a great man with wonderful ideas. You Obama supporters are my kind of people.Signed,LOUIS FARRAKHAN

  • Joe McNamara

    As a life-long Republican I thought we were in trouble when we started losing special elections in key “republican territories” in the Deep South. Now, I know we are in deep sh#t when all we can offer the American people is another storm-in-a-tea-cup empty, tired, fake and manufactured scandal about Obama Pastor Problem II. How stupid do we [republicans] think that American people are? How many times can we present to the American people silly distractions like “gay marriage amendment” or screech of words like “Liberal” as a substitute for policy? I will not vote for Obama or a democrat but I will be damned if I will leave my house to vote for another four years of hell by way of a McCain presidency. Enough is enough.

  • Fred Jones

    OBIEWAN SAID: Fred Jones, good post. You also forget to blame the liberal controlled main stream media for giving Obama a pass. They knew everything that has come to light recently well over a year ago and tried to sweep it under the rug. Hillary’s big mistake was to not go at Obama hard last November. She tried to play nice and that just isn’t her style.THANK YOU, OBIEWAN. I have enjoyed your posts, as well. I agree that Hillary has shown great restraint regarding Obama. I knew about his racist black liberation theology months before the media picked up on it, and you can bet Hillary knew, also. If news about Obama’s racist tendencies and racist associations had come out months earlier, he would merely be a bad memory by now.

  • Mr Mark

    Obeiwan sez:”Obama has lost the white vote to Hillary is most every state since then.”Let’s cut to the chase and not mince words, shall we?Hillary has won the votes of overt racists in W Virginia by playing to their racist prejudices. Now, before you accuse me of smearing an entire state unjustly, let me point out that the exit polls from every source imaginable showed that over 80% of W Virginian voters in the Dem primary considered race to be THE major factor in casting their vote, a vote they CAST AGAINST a black man. That they ended up voting for a white woman was incidental to their voting against a black.But on the VERY SAME NIGHT, whites in Oregon voted overwhelmingly for Obama.The perspective your post misses is the fact – by their own admission – that voters in WVA voted against a black because he was black. Obama will never appeal to such racists. His strategy of writing off WVA because he knew he didn’t stand a chance against blatant racists was both wise and prudent.The truth is that Obama hasn’t “lost” a single white vote to Hillary because those votes were Hillary’s to begin with. Those people may not having been planning to vote for Hillary all along (Edwards or any other white would have done just fine), but they sure as hell were planning on NOT EVER voting for a black. The only thing that changed was Hillary’s playing of the white race card (coupled with her truly offensive remarks about assassination at a time when concern for Obama’s safety is is real issue among many Americans), an action that no doubt gave a feeling of comfort to more than a few of these racists that Hillary was one of ‘em after all.No, I’m not in for a disappointment in November. Obama will be elected president, and this country will have the chance to begin its healing process, nay sayers and racists not withstanding.

  • Fred Jones

    Mr. Mark: Please get your facts straight. The percentage of voters who felt race was an issue in West Virginia was not 80%. From ABC News:Racially motivated voting ran somewhat higher than elsewhere: Two in 10 whites said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote, second only to Mississippi.WELL, YOU WERE ONLY OFF BY ABOUT 60 PERCENTAGE POINTS.

  • obiewan

    @ Joe McNamaraThe Republicans in Congress are getting exactly what they deserve. Many have proven themselves to be no better than the Democrats and deserve to be beaten this fall. It they are going to act like liberals then we might as well have liberals in their seats.As for McCain, I am no big fan of his but when I think of a Congress controlled by far left liberal wackos like Reid and Pelosi with a far left liberal like Obama as President it makes my skin crawl. The damage this combination can do to this country will take years to correct, if it can be corrected at all. Choosing between Obama and McCain isn’t hard at all. McCain wins hands down even considering all the things about him I don’t care for.

  • Fred Jones

    ATHENA: YOU’RE A LITTLE OUT OF DATE ON THE “HILLARY’S PASTOR” ISSUE. That story has already been debunked. Nice try, though. From NBC News:DOUGLAS COE IS NOT HILLARY’S PASTOR: NBC News Exclusive: Political ties to a secretive religious group — Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:10 PM PT — By Andrea Mitchell and Jim Popkin, NBC News –For more than 50 years, the National Prayer Breakfast has been a Washington institution. Every president has attended the breakfast since Eisenhower, elbow-to-elbow with Democrats and Republicans alike. “I am really proud to carry on that tradition,” President Bush said at this year’s breakfast. “The people in this room come from many different walks of faith. Yet we share one clear conviction: We believe that the Almighty hears our prayers — and answers those who seek Him.”Besides the presidents and first ladies–Bill and Hillary Clinton attended in 1997–the one constant presence at the National Prayer Breakfast has been Douglas Coe. Although he’s not an ordained minister, the 79-year-old Coe is the most important religious leader you’ve never seen or heard. But Doug Coe is well known to scores of senators in both parties–and many faiths–including Sam Brownback, Mike Enzi, Mark Pryor and Bill Nelson. They go to small weekly Senate prayer groups that Coe attends. Participants tell NBC News that so have senators John McCain, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, which those campaigns confirm. Asked about Coe’s influence on Hillary Clinton, people close to her told NBC News that she does not consider him one of her leading spiritual advisors. They added that Senator Clinton has never contributed to Coe’s group, is not a member of The Fellowship and has never heard the sermons obtained by NBC News. And, they said, Doug Coe is not Hillary Clinton’s minister.ATHENA: Did you notice that Obama has also attended his prayer breakfasts. Kind of funny, huh?

  • Lee

    Ah. What a pity. Allow me a moment to wipe the tears from my left eye.Clinton has been victimized by YouTube, MSNBC, CNN, and WaPo, sensationalized, taken out of context etc. Obama supporters would do well to stop whining and tell their candidate to do the same. The media has substituted sentiment and image for substance, and payback is a You-Know-What.You have built a house of cards and it is falling around you. Failure to report on the Michelle Obama Daley Democratic Machine doesn’t mean voters aren’t aware of it. Only classicists, white, black, or indifferent were not offended by Obama’s calling the working class “bitter,” only one, relatively minor sign of his elitism. More significant is his equating mandatory, affordable healthcare with requiring that all homeless people own houses. Then there are the “grassroots contributors,” some of whom actually are grassroots contributors, ordinary working folk, whose money is used to pay college students, et al, to appear for his performances (New York Times).So what have Barack and Michelle promised to do for media economic interests, that has all you moneyed folk all in a flurry?Lee

  • Lee

    Ah. What a pity. Allow me a moment to wipe the tears from my left eye.Clinton has been victimized by YouTube, MSNBC, CNN, and WaPo, sensationalized, taken out of context etc. Obama supporters would do well to stop whining and tell their candidate to do the same. The media has substituted sentiment and image for substance, and payback is a You-Know-What.You have built a house of cards and it is falling around you. Failure to report on the Michelle Obama Daley Democratic Machine doesn’t mean voters aren’t aware of it. Only classicists, white, black, or indifferent were not offended by Obama’s calling the working class “bitter,” only one, relatively minor sign of his elitism. More significant is his equating mandatory, affordable healthcare with requiring that all homeless people own houses. Then there are the “grassroots contributors,” some of whom actually are grassroots contributors, ordinary working folk, whose money is used to pay college students, et al, to appear for his performances (New York Times).So what have Barack and Michelle promised to do for media economic interests, that has all you moneyed folk all in a flurry?Lee

  • Fred Jones

    HOW OBAMA HAS USED GEORGE BUSH/KARL ROVE TACTICS TO OBTAIN OVER $62,000,000 FOR HIS CAMPAIGN, SO FAR!:

  • obiewan

    @ Mr. Mark,You want to know the surest way for Obama supporters to insure his loss to McCain in November? Claim that whites that don’t vote for him are racists. How many states has Obama won a majority of the white vote since the Pastor Disaster and Bittergate hit the news? You act like Oregon was something big. What about North Carolina, Indiana, Ohio, Texas, West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Kentucky? You had better pull your head out of Obama’s ass and see reality. He can’t win the white vote but can get 90+% of the black vote. He is looking more and more like Jesse Jackson as every day passes and the Democrats are now stuck with him. He is lucky that Michigan and Florida aren’t voting again because they would hand him his ass just like the other blue collar states have since the Pastor Disaster and Bittergate exploded.

  • Anonymous

    OBIEWAN SAID (OR QUOTED): As for McCain, I am no big fan of his but when I think of a Congress controlled by far left liberal wackos like Reid and Pelosi with a far left liberal like Obama as President it makes my skin crawl. The damage this combination can do to this country will take years to correct, if it can be corrected at all. Choosing between Obama and McCain isn’t hard at all. McCain wins hands down even considering all the things about him I don’t care for.I BELIEVE THAT millions of Democrats will feel the same, if Obama is the nominee. Better a centrist Republican (tempered by a Democratic House and Senate), than an inexperienced, ruthless, deceptive and divisive Obama.

  • Lee

    Whoops! Meant to write “classists.”

  • Cyril Price

    If you know somebody who says crazy things does that make you crazy? If people in your church make crude statements does that make you crude? It’s time we stop the guilt by association routine and focus on the real issues confronting America: Economy, budget, jobs, Iraq, health care, environment. What McCain’s or Obama’s pastor said is completely irrelevant to the real problems of the world.

  • Chinkapin

    You state, in the final paragraph…

  • Mr Mark

    Dear Fred Jones -I stand corrected by your post.While the MSNBC TV coverage of that evening touted the 80% figure, the exit poll chart at their website gives a more-nuanced explanation that is more inline with your 20% figure.Their chart shows that 8% of white voters in WVA felt that race was THE issue that influenced their voting, and that of those 8%, 86% cast their vote for Clinton.The next group polled was people for whom race was a factor (but it was only one of many factors) and 14% of WVA voters fell into this category. 80% of them voted for Clinton.21% of all white voters said race was a factor, and 84% of those voters went for Clinton (95% of WVA voters are white, BTW).Obviously, my citing the 80% figure was a misreading of a figure buried in subsets of voters and voting patterns, not an 80% that represented the entire voting group in WVA.So, yes, my last post was off the mark by a considerable amount, which is a shame because one doesn’t really need an 80% figure to aver that racism was a major factor in the WVA primary. I’d say 21% is more than enough of a figure that we shouldn’t be proud of.Now, I’ll head off to sleep and try to be more diligent in my research in the next round.

  • Lee

    Speaking as clearly as I can for myself, a dark-skinned black dike.THIS MAN BARACK OBAMA IS A DANGEROUS SHILL. A WHITE NEGRO, THE KIND WHITE FOLKS LOVE, AND BLACK FOLKS ARE DECEIVED BY.OBAMA DALEY THIRD GENERATION DEMOCRATIC MACHINE POLITICSWHIT FOLKS,DON’T EASY YOUR CONSCIENCES ON THE BACKS OF THE POOR.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Mark: First, I am assuming that you are an Obama supporter; if you are not, I apologize for the mistake. Second, you have no idea how much I appreciate your willingness to admit a mistake. We all make them, however, you are one of the only Obama supporters I have encountered who will stand up like a man and honor truth over political expediency. I may not agree with you on some of the issues, but I certainly respect your integrity.

  • Anonymous

    Lee, et al,If nominated, the man will lose the election for the Democratic party.Obiewan writes:No question. Reminds me of the Dinkens-Giuliani election. Dinkens had blown it before the election, not only because he had created more racial division than New Yorkers had known in decades, but because he mismanaged the city, the budget, left us in a crisis. Still, I’m convinced that the constant accusations that those who voted for Giuliani were racists drove those who were still waivering into G’s arms.It’s all very odd. Sometimes, I wonder if what all this media vomit is about is getting McCain elected.

  • Fred

    Mr. Mark: Oops, I forgot my name on the last post.

  • Anonymous

    Sentence One, Paragraph Six:The word “presently” means “soon,” not “at present,” as you used it. It’s a common mistake among many, but not among “university scholars.”Please work to keep it rare.

  • son

    What if that preacher was black? I can smell some bigotery in his sermon. Is he Racist?

  • Bernard W Scott

    This has nothing to do with Obama.

  • Bill Tetzeli

    Berlinbauer, how dumb do you think we are? Your guilt by association BS isn’t going to work. Anyone with a brain knows that Obama’s been plagued with knuckleheads who think they’re doing him favors by mouthing off, but Hillary’s been steadily shooting herself in the foot with no help from anyone: “Get Barack a pillow” “hard working white people” “we all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June of ’68″. Obama has the sense to distance himself from people who do him these kinds of favors. Anyone who criticizes him for throwing these loudmouths under the bus (and who surely would even louder if he hadn’t) should ask themselves how much better the war in Iraq would have gone if Bush had thrown Rumsfeld under the bus after Abu Ghraib. Isn’t one of Bush’s faults the fact that he has blind loyalty to underlings who tear America to shreds? I find it refreshing that we don’t need to worry about that with Obama.You, obviously, have no loyalty to the truth.

  • Another Anonymous

    Anonymous writes:The word “presently” means “soon,” not “at present,” as you used it. Here I must step in. Anon has it right. This sort of thing is a disgrace. Other infelicities to avoid:”Famously”"Impact” as a verb”Between you and I”Barack Obama, the Daley Democratic Machine, contempt for the workers of America, lack of concern for those without access to health care, misuse of campaign funds, etc. Calling people racists who oppose him.

  • chuck hasker

    Why is Obama still a member of Trinity Church? Obama has known Father Pfleger and Rev. Wright for over 20 years, they were after all Obama’s “Spiritual Mentors”. Members of a church usually support and attend a church of their choice because they agree with the statement of faith and beliefs of the church they attend. Obama speaks of change but after sitting in the pews of Trinity Church and listening to the words of people like Pfleger and Wright, what kind of change will Obama bring to the White House if he is President?

  • Dave

    Senator Obama is not the next President of the USA.Father Pfleger is the least of Obama’s problems.However, we will be seeing alot of Father Pleger and Rev. Wright on Republican sponsored TV commercials this Sept. and Oct.PS. The IRS needs to take a hard look at the tax exempt status of this (so called) church.

  • Another Anonymous

    The next president of the United States is John McCain, at president, laughing his way famously to sleep, impacted no end, between you and I, by media Negro Barack Obama.

  • Roy

    Limberger, O’Reilly, Hannity et. al. no longer need to swift-boat Obama. Pfleger, Wright and the CHICAGO TRINITY CHURCH OF UNITED JUMPING-UP-AND-DOWN-CHEERING BLACK RACISTS have already done it.

  • frank burns

    Christian preachers earn a pretty good living spouting off with pious sounding advice, like “love thy neighbor” “don’t be greedy” “do not kill” etc. Good advice, but hardly the sort of stuff you need divine inspiration for. Now I wonder how much the Holy Spirit had to do with these words by this Catholic priest? I guess the Holy Spirit is either pretty stupid (maybe due to the fact of being 2000 years behind in terms of human social evolution), or just does not want Obama to win, period.

  • Tim

    This is the best that the USA can offer: Hillary, Obama, McCain? Obama’s religion was not questioned earlier. Now it is truly ironic that we rejected perhaps the best candidate of them all, Mitt Romney, because of his religion! Being a clean cut, law abiding Mormon is unacceptable but if you attend Obama’s raciest church for 20 years and are still a member of that church it is consider OK? I don’t get it.

  • Tim

    This is the best that the USA can offer: Hillary, Obama, McCain? Obama’s religion was not questioned earlier. Now it is truly ironic that we rejected perhaps the best candidate of them all, Mitt Romney, because of his religion! Being a clean cut, law abiding Mormon is unacceptable but if you attend Obama’s raciest church for 20 years and are still a member of that church it is consider OK? I don’t get it.

  • mpwynn

    The decent and appropriate thing Senator Obama should have done was to personally express his ‘outrage’ at the remarks made toward Senator Clinton. Instead he says he is ‘deeply disappointed’ in what his former spiritual advisor said, and finds such remarks ‘divisive’ and further characterizes them as ‘backward looking rhetoric.’ Did he once mention Senator Clinton by name? No. For to do so, would humanize her, and make her less susceptible to continued hatred, disparity and demonization. He is not worthy to be elected President of the United States of America!

  • Burford Holly

    Let’s face it most, most people who devote their lives to the invisible ghost in the sky are little crazy to begin with. The world would be so much safer and saner if we simply maintain a total separation of church and state. And once a country decides religion has a place in politics, all aspirations for civilization get lost in the kerfuffle over which is the “right” religion. Who should be the Ayatollah for America? McCain? Hillary? Obama?

  • Sandy

    As I understand it, 5 States moved their primarys up this year, but only Michigan and Florida were

  • Nicole

    I think that the disclosure of this sort of sermon (and the Wright sermons) shed light on the long-ignored topic of the radical religious left. Some U.C.C. congregations, the Unitarian Universalists, some Episcopal congregations, and others share a radical political agenda that is disguised as “the social Gospel”.The groups are the mirror image of the radical religious right. Both groups hijack religion and remake it in the image of politics. The dirty little secret, though, is that true religion is no where to be found in either of these groups.In terms of utter *weirdness*, though, I’d have to say the radical religious left trumps the radical religious right any day.

  • Sandra

    I just submitted a comment and was sent an error message saying I have submitted too many comments in a short period of time. Since this is the first comment I submitted I find that this is just par for the way the media has been manipulating the news. If I make a comment you don’t agree with I can’t get it posted evidently.

  • Arminius

    Sandra,Many of us have suffered similar indignities with our posts. The On Faith filter, originally and properly designed to catch truly offensive language, has apparently gone bipolar, and will impound perfectly polite posts at random. The ‘powers that be’ at WaPo are aware of this, but have done nothing.

  • deanna paris

    Senator Obama has been around these people for 20 years and now declares that he did not know they where so radical. What this leads us to is:

  • jim283

    “It’s the economy, stupid.”"Are you better off than you were four years ago?”This infatuation with preachers is a side show.The choice is indeed quite clear. Do you want continued corporate domination of American policy or do you want a President who listens to the people?

  • obiewan

    @ jim283If we let left wing liberals run this country for four years we won’t have an economy worth much. You rail against corporate America for what reason? Are you a socialist then?Obama’s past associations matter more than you want to admit. Character and judgment are important to most voters and he is sorely lacking in both. You Obamabots can keep ignoring his past as your own peril. Obama’s base is going to be whittled down to the wacko far left liberals which means a landslide victory for McCain in November. People like you and Obama think they can hoodwink the general public into thinking he is a uniter and mainstream in his beliefs. Well it won’t happen and the Pastor Disaster and Bittergate are just the first of many more eye opening moments for Obama and his supporters. BTW, shouldn’t you be supporting Ralph Nader?

  • forsythia1

    Let’s have the election already, This is getting tiresome.

  • ThinkAboutIt

    @jim283″If we let left wing liberals run this country for four years we won’t have an economy worth much.”have you been in a cave the last 7 years while the Right Wing in power.Starting an unnecessary $Trillion dollar War — all on credit, while adding to the huge deficits by giving the wealthy tax cuts.That makes the American economy strong?You live a Right Wing fantasy.

  • obiewan

    @ ThinkAboutItLiberals want to raise taxes, shut down more domestic oil drilling, scream like stuck pigs when building a refinery is suggested, don’t want nuclear power plants built, thinks the government can decide our health care needs better than we can, think rich people got their money by stealing it, think they know how to better spend money than those people that actually earn it and the list goes on and on. If we think gas prices are high now just let liberals run a muck with the economy for a few years. I know you liberals want to make the economy out to be horrible but the reality is it isn’t nearly as bad as you claim. It is the liberals’ ethanol policy that is starving the world’s poor and raising food prices here in the USA. It is the liberals’ refusal to allow more domestic oil drilling and construction of domestic refineries that is causing gasoline prices to go sky high. The only thing liberals can conceive is a socialist society which has been shown time and again in numerous countries to be a horrible idea. Yeah, let’s put you wacko left wingers in complete control of this country. That is a very scary thought. I remember the Carter years and can take a pass on a repeat of them.All Obama offers us is a bunch of empty rhetoric. He has no idea how he will deliver 5% of what he is promising us. If he does deliver it then the country will be bankrupt and socialist. People will see this clearly as the November elections get closer. He has had a pass from the press in the primaries and Hillary has shown the Republicans just how to beat him into the ground in the general election. He will have hard questions to answer and will have to address his past associations and actions to have a hope of winning in November. His salad days are over and the real game begins once he seals the nomination up. You want to see how weak he is just look at his performance against Hillary since the Pastor Disaster and Bittergate hit the news. He can’t close the deal and according to the biased press he should have put her away months ago. Why can’t he?

  • Sylvia Richardson

    Chris Rock? How did Chris Rock figure into this?

  • Michael

    That is one crazy white boy. What’s that got to do with the election?

  • catmomtx

    Obama has been excellent at staying above the fray with his smugness. He allows his surrogates to do his dirty work. The bloggers are the worse. Not only do they vilify and demean Senator Clinton but all those who don’t think Obama walks on water. Obama doesn’t have to denounce what the priest said, after all he didn’t say it. BUT what about Hillary Clinton and Bill, that is the MO. Double standard.The one thing that the Bush people did was to down play his abilities. They constantly lowered expectations. The biggest problem Obama will have is those people who think he can walk on water. The Obama fans seem to think he will walk into Washington and @$#%&CHANGE!!!. The sad thing is, Obama seems to be buying into it as well.

  • Bodo

    What has this “disaster” got to do with Obama? Some stupid stranger Obama has never even met makes stupid remarks in a room that Obama used to visit. I sure would not want to be blamed for all the stupid remarks strangers have made in rooms I used to visit.But it shows that the Church should stay out of American politics.

  • Anonymous

    I am more than amused by the Obama apologists who suggest that we should not consider any of his associations as relevant to his character and judgment. They say that since Obama himself did not spout the racist and anti-American remarks, we should not consider any such remarks, or any of his associations when deciding whether or not he is a suitable President. They say that we should only consider statement made by Obama himself; a man who is trying to convince us that he is the appropriate choice as the leader of our nation. We’re supposed to ignore the racist and anti-American rants of Rev. Wright, his 20-year “mentor and spiritual adviser.” We’re supposed to ignore his new pastor, Otis Moss who, in a fiery sermon, claimed retired pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright was “lynched” by the media and compared the embattled pastor to Jesus; and who refused to deny claims by Wright that the U.S. government was involved in distributing illegal drugs to minorities or spreading the AIDS virus to blacks. We are supposed to ignore another Obama adviser, Rev. Meeks, and his racist and anti-gay sermons. We are supposed to ignore Obama’s friend and patron of 17 years, the indicted Tony Rezko and all of Obama’s equivocations about their relationship. We are supposed to ignore his friendship with William Ayres, the unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist who bombed the Pentagon and a police station. And now, we are supposed to ignore the racist and despicable rants of another of Obama’s long-time friends and advisers, Father Pfleger. Just how many racists and terrorists does this man have to associate with before the public finally realizes that he is the company he keeps?

  • ash

    The Pastor said that America should pay for raping blacks !!! And no one has even commented about this ? How come Obama does not say anything on this point ?

  • Fred Jones

    BODO: YEAH, OBAMA BARELY KNEW PFLEGER: Rev. Michael Pfleger, the left-leaning Chicago Catholic priest who ridiculed Hillary Rodham Clinton this week in a racially-charged speech from the pulpit of Barack Obama’s church, has contributed to Obama’s state Senate campaigns, backed his ill-fated run for Congress and stumped for him in Iowa.In a Chicago Tribune story a year ago, Obama defended special budget earmarks for his district while he was a state legislator, including ones that went to programs associated with Pfleger’s church. Pfleger gave Obama’s campaigns $1,500 between 1995 and 2001, including $200 in April 2001, about three months after Obama announced at least $100,000 in grants to St. Sabina programs. Obama’s spokesman, Ben LaBolt, was unable to say when Obama last spoke to Pfleger. LaBolt said Pfleger stepped down from the Catholics for Obama committee a few weeks ago, but he could not say why.He confirmed that Obama steered a $100,000 state grant in 2000 to a Pfleger-affiliated community program.”Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, Obama says.”Last year, Pfleger invited the Rev. Louis Farrakhan to speak at his church, St. Sabina, which encompasses a large, inner city African American parish. Pfleger backed up Farrakhan in a 2006 controversy over some remarkable Farrakhan bile. Pfleger criticized a mass resignation of Jewish members on a state of Illinois hate crimes commission. Pfleger said “good riddance” to the people who had left the commission. “Leave, go ahead and go on out, we don’t need that kind of a spirit or mentality and a narrowness on that kind of commission. I’m glad they’re gone,” Pfleger said.Farrakhan said, “These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood. It’s the wicked Jews, the false Jews that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality,” and “Zionists have manipulated Bush and the American government” over the war in Iraq.Why in heavens’ name was Obama supporting this guy? And putting him on his Catholic advisory council?

  • Anonymous

    Sen. Obama seems like such a good, smart man, it is very hard to understand how he could have spent 20 years learning, praying and attending service in an environment of hate. It makes me loose hope.

  • agent99

    watching the Obama fans support him regardless of what comes out about him,I realise how Bush was elected and re-elected.Obama fans are the flip side of the coin,,, bush supporters are on the other side. BOth are fanatics

  • Anonymous

    Agent 99 said: watching the Obama fans support him regardless of what comes out about him,I realise how Bush was elected and re-elected.Obama fans are the flip side of the coin,,, bush supporters are on the other side. BOth are fanaticsMY SENTIMENTS, EXACTLY. The insults, attacks and race cards thrown by the Obama camp and supporters is very reminiscent of the right wing nut jobs who supporter Bush in 2000 and 2004. Another curious similarity: The same mainstream media which protected and promoted Bush those years ago, is now protecting and promoting Obama. Makes one think . . .

  • obiewan

    Anonymous wrote:——————————————————————–Obama isn’t what he appears to be. He is a candidate manufactured out of whole cloth with no basis in reality. You can tell this when he embellishes his past like his uncle liberating Auschwitz, his mother and father meeting at Selma, etc. The truth is just to mundane and boring for him to tell us about. His life is rather unremarkable in many respects and he has had to be a user of people and organizations to fake his way to political power.Compare Obama’s past to McCain’s and the difference is glaring. McCain downplays his life experiences while Obama embellishes and fabricates his past. Obama might be the most non-substantial candidate to ever win a major party’s nomination for president. Geraldine Ferraro was right. If he wasn’t black he wouldn’t have had a chance this election cycle. People that have voted for him really voted for a mirage he placed in front of them. Many now know the mirage isn’t real but his die hard supporters still think it is real. Once this election is down to him and McCain his mirage will all but disappear because he will not get the kid glove treatment he has come to expect during the primaries. Plus, there is plenty of other skeletons in his closet just clamoring to get out. Next week Rezco will be found guilty and that issue will hit the fan and further damage him. Yeah, Obama has a Teflon coating but remember what that coating looks like in a frying pan that has been used too much. It peels off, gets scratched and before long EVERYTHING sticks to it.

  • Doctor Al

    Better hope John McCain doesn’t underestimate Obama the way Hillary did. Too late she learned she’s up against a South Side Chicago Democrat! Politics there ain’t beanbag and they don’t defer to white women. Remember, Obama called his grandmother the typical white woman…racist to the core. Did you notice that the catholic priest, who enjoyed playing with himself so much at Hillary’s expense, seemed to have pretty much the exact same attitude about white women? Wonder where he got that impression.

  • obiewan

    @ Doctor Al,The rest of the country is far from the same as the South side of Chicago. Just look at the voting trends of whites in the primaries since the Pastor Disaster and Bittergate hit with a bang and you will see the damage this has done to Obama. There is more to come too. The South Side made him and it will also be the root of his demise. His “new” kind of politics isn’t “new” at all. It is the same old underhanded, lying, unethical, illegal and hypocritical politics that thrives in Chicago. Obama can’t tell us the truth about his past and beliefs because in reality he is so far to the left and racist that the rest of the country would send him packing in a minute. The mirage he has put up is fading fast and there is absolutely nothing behind it to take its place but the truth and that just won’t do for the rest of this country.

  • Anonymous

    Obama and his supporters have purposefully played the race card for two reasons: (1) Against the Clintons in an attempt to destroy Bill Clintons legacy and his popularity with African Americans, thereby allowing Obama to more effectively run against Hillary; and (2) Against all others who might dare to criticize Obama in an attempt to squelch criticism and chill free speech. If Obama and the DNC get rid of Hillary Clinton, then the race card and other despicable Obama tactics will then be used against McCain and all of his supporters. If the debacle of Obama has taught us anything, it should be that this country needs to stand up to the “race card” tactics and racial double standards, and say once and for all, “ENOUGH.”

  • lostintranslation

    Well, you sure got this wrong. “Disater”? “Going to be a long weekend for the Obama people?” “Most importantly, what will be the fallout for the Obama campaign?” I hope you are relieved, not just embarrassed, to see that the American people are much wiser than you seemed to realize. Sure, some people who were not supporting Obama to begin with are trying to blow this one up. But most people understand clearly that if we are going to start watching youtube videos of everything that every supporter of one of the candidates says everywhere we are going to waste a lot of time and be no closer to choosing the right president.

  • Anonymous

    It is interesting to note that thirty years ago, a candidate such as Obama would not have survived through the primary(s) because of issues such as the TUCC scandal. In the way of further explanation, I submit the following:

  • obiewan

    @ lostintranslation,You seem to want to gloss over the real reason the Pfleger and Wright videos are all the rage on You tube and the media. It is because they were recorded in the very church Obama is CURRENTLY a member of and HAS BEEN a member of for TWENTY YEARS. I know that you hearing this is like Superman receiving a kryptonite enema but you need to face the facts of the matter. Being a member of Trinity Church is DESTROYING his credibility with whites every passing day. Being a member of that church goes against the grain of EVERYTHING he claims to be as a candidate and a human being. It is making him RADIOACTIVE for the general election. You and the other Obamabots have been programmed to ignore the truth and reality but every day more and more people are seeing Obama for what he really is. He is a phoney, manufactured, lying, manipulative, typical far left liberal politician trying to pass himself off as a uniter and common man that has all the answer for everyone’s problems. His BS just isn’t going to fly in the general election and there will be a continual string of stories in the press to remind us of this until November. When the public looks at McCain residing near the middle politically, and Obama at the far left wacko liberal fringe the decision to vote for McCain won’t be a hard one for Republicans, independents and large number of center leaning Democrats. Obama without a teleprompter tell him what to say is an absolute disaster. He stammers, stutters and say ummmm repeatedly and outright lies when having to think, and speak, on the fly or off the cuff. McCain is going to clean his clock in the debates if he doesn’t get a grip on these glaring oratory flaws of his.

  • Franklyn Ajaye

    A couple of thoughts from a Black Agnostic:First: Father Pfleger’s statements weren’t racist or sexist, just unnecessarily denigrating. The remarks are racially divisive and do absolutely nothing to help America progress in racial relations. Which in and of itself makes me wonder why a representative of a religion which supposedly preaches love and compassion would stoop to express such low class mocking remarks. It also makes me wonder what comfort the congregation would get from them. Second: The problems that Obama and McCain have had with all the pastors, (Wright, Hagee, Pfleger, Parsely etc.), show the folly of mixing politics with religion by requiring that all presidential condidates pass some kind of religion/faith litmus test. JFK had to prove that his Catholicism would not influence his presidency, now it’s the other way around. You can’t be a viable candidate unless you can demonstrate that “Jesus is with you all the time”. How’d that “prayerful decision making” work out with born again Dubya? We need to keep religion out of politics, and let it remain a personal thing between the candidate and his or her God. Third: You should be able to listen to anything sane, or insane, as long as you can think for yourself. Obama has had 46 years of living, and it’s quite clear that no matter what he’s listened to, or heard, he chooses a more enlightened approach to race relations in his dealings with people. You have to believe in inclusion to practice it like he has. That’s the only thing that counts.

  • mehuwss

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  • Holly Hilden

    The question should not be “when will folks question this man’s claims as being an uniter” (paraphrased). Rather, it should be “who has the political will and spine to speak up forcefully for the separation of church and state?” After all, that doctrine is the crown jewel of American democracy.

  • Anonymous

    Obama has just resigned from the Church!!!GOOD FOR HIM; ONLY 20 YEARS TOO LATE.

  • Anonymous

    Just a few statements from James Cone, one of the founders of Obama’s religion; black liberation theology. Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy.””All white men are responsible for white oppression. It is much too easy to say, “Racism is not my fault,” or “I am not responsible for the country’s inhumanity to the black man…But insofar as white do-gooders tolerate and sponsor racism in their educational institutions, their political, economic and social structures, their churches, and in every other aspect of American life, they are directly responsible for racism…Racism is possible because whites are indifferent to suffering and patient with cruelty.”The demonic forces of racism are real for the black man. Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man “the devil.” The white structure of this American society, personified in every racist, must be at least part of what the New Testament meant by the demonic forces.”YES, OBAMA, THE GREAT UNITER. WHAT A JOKE.

  • obiewan

    NEWSFLASH!!!!!Obama has resigned from the Trinity Church! I guess the bath water was getting too hot for him so he bailed. It only took him TWENTY YEARS to get a clue. How can we elect a person President of the United States that is this slow to make a good decision. Now I could be cynical and say he left the church for political reasons but I know you Obamabots would never believe it. Or maybe he has the black vote wrapped up so he can now throw his entire church of past 20 years under the bus along with Wright, Pfleger and his grandmother. This guy is more transparent than Tiffany crystal. Can he really think this will make the Pastor Disaster go away or make him electable in one fell swoop? This entire episode is laughable and Saturday Night Live can have a field day with it.

  • Arminius

    It might interest some here to know that Obama has now left his church in Chicago.This, of course, will not satisfy the hyenas snarling after Obama. Apparently, bigots rule on this blog.

  • more 2 the story

    “It might interest some here to know that Obama has now left his church in Chicago.”too little… too late… OBamaBoozled himself…

  • obiewan

    @ Arminius,It is FREE SPEECH that is ruling on this blog. it is funny how that knife can cut both ways, huh?

  • Fred Jones

    Obama has developed a strategy to con Hillary supporters into voting for him using various ploys, including: 1. The “Supreme Court” card, i.e. if Obama doesn’t win, McCain will appoint conservative judges. 2. The “Roe v. Wade” card, i.e. if Obama doesn’t win, the Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade. 3. The “race card,”, i.e. if you are against Obama, then you are a racist. 4. The “real Democrat” card, i.e. “real Democrats” will vote for the Democratic nominee whether they like him or not. 5. The “Hillary would want you to vote for Obama” card, which is self-explanatory.Obama, his supporters, the DNC, the party elite, and the mainstream media have conspired to marginalize the millions of Democrats who have voted for Hillary, and they will now be using every trick in the book to “bring the party together” to further their ruthless ambitions. They will want you to forget all about the months of biased press, the biased party elite, the insults, and the race-cards. They will want you to forget that the Democratic Party now is the party that stands for disenfranchisement and the rationalization of racism. They will use any method to persuade you to vote for the man who they have preordained as the Democratic nominee. DON’T FALL FOR IT!Whether you write-in Hillary, if possible, vote for John McCain, or sit out the election, remember that your action or inaction could result in the election of the inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless and divisive Obama. NOTE: PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COPY AND PASTE THIS COMMENT ONTO ANY BLOG OF YOUR CHOICE. WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT.

  • Dee

    Seriously, how stupid must one be if one fails to recognize that the members of TUCC are racist? How stupid must one be if one believes that Barack Obama failed to notice this support of hateful rhetoric (UNChristian rhetoric, not Bible-based sermons) for the past 20 years? How stupid must one be if one thinks that Barack Obama doesn’t actual believe as the pastor and parishioners of TUCC believe? How stupid must one be if one thinks that Barack Obama’s condemnation of these ideas and this rhetoric (long after the fact in most instances) is NOT merely politically expedient? This is a dangerous man. The less political. legislative, executive or judicial power he has, the better.

  • Anonymous

    WE WISH TO GO ON RECORD AND STATE THAT WE SUPPORT BARACK OBAMA. He is our lord and savior, and he shall deliver the world from sin. Signed,Louis “racist and proud of it” FarrakhanAnd various other racists, terrorists, dictators and indicted individuals.

  • DofG

    Words like racism, and racist, are thrown around like confetti. But few people really know what those words really mean, or their true purpose. But a small point like that doesn’t stop people, for what better predication could there be than serving the ego, the flight of thought, and tongue, that makes the speed of light slow of foot?

  • ted in pdx

    CRYOS: Thank you for a sane, intellectually honest criticism. If the Democrats nominate Obama, I look forward to an elevated, substantive debate between him and John McCain. I believe both of them are honorable men, and I believe there is time to consider issues such as those you mentioned.My main concern is that we find some way to break free of this poisonous partisan crucible so many voters seem to have fallen into. I can only report that I started out entirely open to the possibility that I might support Hillary Clinton, only to discover the thing I remember so vividly from 1993, when she attempted to dictate socialist health care legislation to the nation. I believe the poison in this campaign has originated with her, and I watched it happen as she began to realize that Obama had struck a chord with so many voters. The veneer of the consensus builder fell away rather quickly, and the same reptilian character I sensed 15 years ago enunciated itself. This country is in desperate trouble. We have evolved a standard of living that we cannot sustain, given the numbers of people in the world who are willing to work much harder than we are, and be satisfied with much less. And yet our politicians keep the ponzi scheme going by liquidating the principal assets of this country, all the while telling voters we’re still the same old super-power we used to be. The fact is, we’re not. Meanwhile, the critical resource that all free economies require is drying up. What is that resource? Opportunity. When the owners of capital use it to monopolize the opportunity for new people to participate as entrepreneurs and equity creators, they snuff out the fundamental dynamic which unleashes human productivity. The owners of the financial markets and the owners of the oil infrastructure are driven by greed, and as they succeed in satisfying that greed, they create a constituency for terrorism. By treating human beings as a commodity to be exploited, they all but guarantee the destruction of the very system that enabled them to succeed.The disasters evolving in third-world countries are obvious examples. But a more cogent example may be found here at home: our banks have been so successful at getting people addicted to credit, that the core values relating to money, and the notion that people should live within their means has been all but destroyed. This sub-prime mortgage crisis was precipitated by greedy self-interested money managers who knew very well that the funds they were risking were only partially covered by private reserves, and that the eventual bill for their recklessness would be paid by further dilution of the US dollar. And their co-conspirators in Congress and the Executive branch fell right in line, bailing them out when the house of cards was about to collapse.So while you may be right that Obama has some connections with those folks, I seriously doubt he is wired in as tightly as John McCain. I am hoping that the nature of the mandate Obama gets (if he gets it) will be such that both sides of this corrupt system will be forced to stand down from their traditional stalemate positions, and admit that fundamental re-tooling of the way we operate as a country is required.Those who want to shout Obama down by these absurd ravings about who he’s friends with and his secret radical agenda, have the right to do so. But if they take the time to think critically about where we stand at this moment as a nation, they might realize that we can’t afford another 4 years of partisan warfare, and whichever candidate is elected, it will be in all our vital interests to work very hard to find consensus. The tone and temperament of most who are commenting in this forum convinces me that there’s not much chance of that happening. But I figured I’d make a pitch for it anyway.

  • Guillermo Dominguez

    Why is the media making the race black and white as if the Hispanics dont exist. The Liberal demos supporting Obama are going to get a real suprise in Nov. The political parties cannot hide the immigration issuse forever , the tacos are here to stay. G.

  • zqll

    Obamarama says that there is a “stylistic and cultural” gap between him and his “church.” Gimme a break! What is this, elitist, nuanced mumbo-jumbo or what?Obviously, he has been putting up with racial hatred spewed by his “rev.” for 20 years but now Obama is leaving them because of it. But he doesn’t call it that, he calls it a “stylistic and cultural” gap! Maybe sometime in the future he will say something like “It all depends on what the meaning of “is” is. PS Maybe when he says that there is a “stylistic and cultural” gap between his almighty self and the Trinity “church” he may be saying that the congregation at Trinity is uncouth, loud and unsavory and not to his taste anymore. He’s thrown the Trinity “church” congregation under the bus just like he did with his nice little granny.

  • Tarik

    Guys wake up. Look and behold. The miracle is happening.I look at his personal accomplishments as a young man, see how God has guided his path: Columbia University/Harvard University/Professor of Constitutional law at University of Chicago. But what impresses me the most: He is of the same complexion that Jesus was:Friends its time to put aside your arrogance for a a second and look at the man. Such events are rare in human History. Don’t miss your chance at redemption for OBAMA is the 2nd coming of JESUS.

  • Maus

    Jesus, when will we get religion out of politics?

  • GeorgiaSon

    Obama’s association with yet another white-bashing, egotistical narcissist preacher is disquieting, to say the least. But I’m not convinced that either Pfleger or Obama’s association with him is all that unique, measured against the broader framework of America’s religious leaders and their ties to politicians. What is unique to most Americans–especially white–is to be the target of such debased demagoguery. But is it all that different from what white Christians have been hearing in their pulpits on subjects dear to the heart of their pastors? I don’t think so.The obvious comparison is with Rev. Hagee and his association with John McCain. Is Pfleger’s preaching to the choir about the need for the current generation of whites to do penance for the sins of their fathers and his pathetic burlesque of Hillary really worse than Hagee saying that Hitler and the holocaust were instruments of God’s divine will? Or Rod Parsley’s depiction of Islam as inherently violent? I don’t think so. Not by a long shot.Are the Reverends Wright and Pfleger really that different than Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard, and any number of so-called mainstream pastors who rail against abortion, homosexuality, and the teaching of evolution? I don’t think so.What we are simply witnessing here, it seems to me, is a growing awareness of the general malaise of religion in America and a growing recognition of the uncertainty about its proper role in the political sphere. Mainstream Protestant pastors, McCain’s pastors, Obama’s pastors–they are separated by a very small space on a narrow spectrum. The only unique thing is that this year’s presidential race has pulled back the rock and thrown light on an existing phenomena. Many Americans for the first time are viewing religion more critically, and they are not liking what they see.It’s like the scene at the end of a vampire movie, when the bright rays of the rising sun shine upon the night-rampaging vampire, turning it to smoke and ashes.

  • Linda in Houston

    In effect Fox News Network has bombed another African American Church, which was a rite of passage for racists in the American south in the 60′s. Rev. Wright was right when he said that it was an attack on all black churches. Unfortunately, African American pastors are not like those of the 60′s who expressed outrage from injustice at every level. Now the black pastor is concerned about how big his church is and how much money he can bring in. But, nevertheless, the attack on Trinity is the same. In addition Fox News Network and the media at large, CNN, MSNBC are launching attack on freedom of speech, they are now saying what should and should not be said in the sanctuary of all places.

  • Black Saint

    The problem Obama has with white uneducated voters is they never had the fine points of race and racism explained to them by learned professors. Not having a higher education to reply upon they must substitute common sense. 1.They have a very hard time understanding how anyone with any intelligence can sit in a Church for 20 years and support ones friend and mentor week after week, month after month, year after year with his money, family and attendance while listening to Hate American, Hate whites, Hate every thing rants, (with the exception of Blacks and Muslins) and still insist that he has not endorsed and does not believe in the Message, and he has not endorsed and does not believe in the MESSENGER.

  • Black Saint

    After losing members in the USA due to birth control & Scandal the Catholic church is now making a comeback due to the millions of Illegal Aliens pouring across our borders. Its an ideal plan, let the Catholics Latinos pour across our open borders and Breed like Rabbits while forcing American tax payers to pay an average of 20k per year for each one to provide education, medical care and welfare for them. That is why the Pope spoke about taking care of Immigrants and wants blanket amnesty for them and why all Catholic Churches are for breaking the law and encourage & protecting Illegal Aliens and open Borders! When the next president gives the 20 to 30 million mostly uneducated Illegal Aliens citizenship alone with chain migration there will be 100,s of millions of new fast breeding, educating hating, criminally inclined , welfare loving Catholic Latino citizens and the Nation will soon join the Third World as they breed us into poverty, like they have Mexico and Latin American. But the Democrat Politicians will have the welfare votes and further their Socialist Agenda, the Republican Politicians an unlimited supply of nearly slave labor for their Pay Masters in the Corporations and Businesses and the Church more millions of Catholics to preach their dogma, past the collection plate, and lots of children for the priests to play with. The only losers are current American Citizens & their progeny and either Party or the Catholic church gives a damn about them!

  • Pat O’Leary

    Religion has become a plague on the politics of this country.

  • Natalie

    Why should Barack Obama be held accountable for the hateful rantings of obviously disturbed pastors, who should be preaching the gospel and staying far away from preaching about politics? For this reason, politics and religion should not ever mix.

  • MrsJones

    Why is it that the media can find time to go sit in someone’s church and look for ‘controversy’ but can’t find time to look into real issues? Iraq, the gas prices, the foreclosure mess, high dropout rates, so many more important issues to discuss and this is the nonsense we are fed day after day. We are a country of idiots being led by a media ship of fools.

  • Roy

    Now that Obama has resigned from the CHICAGO TRINITY CHURCH OF UNITED JUMPING-UP-AND-DOWN-CHEERING BLACK RACISTS, maybe he will have a chance overcoming the continued swift-boating by Limberger, Novak, Will, Krauthammer and the Irish Catholic bigots on “fair and balanced” Faux News.

  • Roy

    Guillermo Dominguez wrote:Why is the media making the race black and white as if the Hispanics dont exist. The Liberal demos supporting Obama are going to get a real suprise in Nov. The political parties cannot hide the immigration issuse forever , the tacos are here to stay. G.——–Because Guillermo, Hispanics are written off to Hillary because of the inherent prejudice in your culture against darker skin. Don’t tell me it isn’t. I have lived in Mexico for four years and have seen it first hand.

  • mhr

    Aside from the hate-whitey aspect of Pfleger’s performance, which was bad enough and which Obama most certainly must have been aware of, I was struck by the condescension of the priest’s minstrel show attitude. He adopted a black accent (much as Ms. Clinton did during the campaign) and his schtick included playing to the worst racist attitudes of his black congregation who reacted as if they watching a vaudeville comedy act.

  • Practica

    Natalie wrote:”Why should Barack Obama be held accountable for the hateful rantings of obviously disturbed pastors, who should be preaching the gospel and staying far away from preaching about politics? For this reason, politics and religion should not ever mix.”Obama is held accountable because HE made his participation in the church part of his politics, he insisted we know that he went to church, which church he belonged to, and how much church meant to his politics and outlook. Had HE been willing to leave religion out of his political toolkit, who’d care about Wright and Pfleger, et al?No one. He’s not, like Huckabee, a pastor – he’s just a guy who found an activist job in Chicago with some churches, and then turned that into a high-profile low-accomplishment career. That’s why we care about what his moral and spiritual advisors have to say.

  • donnolo

    Wake up, people! When are you going to realize that all these self-proclaimed holy men and women are con artists? ANYONE who claims to speak for god is a phony, and a lot of them are pretty slimy characters. Religion is half fairy tales (angels and devils, stories about people being swallowed by whales, an old man who lives in the sky and watches sparrows) and half wishful thinking (“I’m gonna live forever”). Organized religion is institutionalized fraud.A god who had anything to say worth listening to would speak for himself.

  • me

    I think that these ministers are out to purposely sabotage Obama’s campaign. If they are his “friends” and had a hidden agenda then surely they would keep quiet until he’s in the White House that way they could then have enough power to destroy the country. If anything they are jealous because they have not gained the degree of popularity Obama has. And I don’t know if everyone is missing it, but Obama is not ALL black.

  • Mikel

    What puzzles me the most about this latest

  • Billcarr

    Truly, acknowledging your spiritual beliefs in politics is a two-edges sword:On the one hand, you might get a few more right-wing religious nut votes;On the other hand, those right wing nuts will sink your campaign with most of the other, intelligent, voters.I think Americans are fed up with religion in the White House.Barack, send your religious beliefs back to the private sphere. We, the voters, want to know how YOU are going to fix the country, not how you’re going to ask God to do it.

  • rhinehaj

    You mention the “4″ men jumping up & down having a great deal of fun behind the Reverend as he makes fun of Hillary’s crying like it is perhaps important, but you don’t talk about it any more. I think it’s very relevant. Those men are indeed having a great deal of fun, they’re probably there in church to be having fun. Church is a form of entertainment. Preachers who don’t entertain don’t last long.

  • William W. Wexler

    Are you serious?Nobody is paying any attention to this. People have already made up their minds who they are going to vote for and what some guy in a church says doesn’t have anything to do with Iraq or $4 gas.-Wexler

  • Joseph

    I recall sometime ago that a Senator claimed that the primary difference between himself and his opponent was that in terms of exercising superior judgment, “I got it right the first time.”Of course, he was referring to the war in Iraq and Clinton’s vote. Now we see evidence that progress is finally made in Iraq, and perhaps a turning point may come.The fallacy in Obama’s argument and how the media portrays the public sentiment on the war is that they bunch together the concept of “Was this war a bad war to begin with?” and “Was this a poorly executed war?”In spite of all the accusations of Bush “selling the war” (and thanks to a new book by his own press secretary), if the US forces had marched into Bagdad, removed Saddam, stabilized the nation, and then walked out, chances are very good that a majority of Americans would say that going into Iraq was a good decision.Thus, Mr. Obama’s biggest selling point–of his superior judgment–becomes irrelevant in the campaign. If, by October, the situation in Iraq becomes stable, the war will become a non-issue in the general election.By then, only his words will come back to haunt him–”I got it right the first time”–since he really didn’t get it right the first time by staying associated with a Church that seems to be a breeding ground for quite some spirited nastiness. If in two short months and with public attention focused on the church, we find so much hatred and mockery of people the pulpit does not like, what of the twenty-some years during which Mr. Obama sat with the congregation?Superior judgment? No way.

  • Fred

    But maybe what the priest said was TRUE? Obviously some truths cannot be stated?

  • Fred

    But maybe what the priest said was TRUE? Obviously some truths cannot be stated?

  • Arminius

    Mr Mark,You unfortunately said: “Self loathing of oneself and of humanity itself is part and parcel to the Xian view of life.”Horse poop, you know me better than that. Please stop sweeping me into the same cesspool with the fundies.Arminius

  • Paul Baldwin

    The Antichrist will have great charisma & speaking ability, “a mouth speaking great things”. The Antichrist will rise to power on a wave of world euphoria, as he temporarily saves the world from its desperate economic, military & political problems with a brilliant 7-year plan for world peace, economic stability & religious freedom.

  • Arminius

    Mr Mark,Do all us Christians look alike to you?You generalize. I did not throw out the entire OT, I said that anything older than the Babylonian Exile is probably myth, and anything older than Abraham most definitely is myth. Also, I accept, with a few reservations, the entire NT except for Revelation.I try very hard to follow MLK’s dream of judging each individual by his/her character, not his/her religion/race/whatever. I don’t always succeed, I am definitely prejudiced against any extremest, of whatever stripe. I think you consider any believer an extremest. I do not expect you to admit this, but you might try to think about it. But don’t you realize that if what I say is true, you are also an extremist?

  • Mr Mark

    Let me say that I am pleased as punch that we’re having this national debate on the crazy priests and pastors. If the country is willing to take a critical look at the personalities involved, then the basic beliefs as espoused by religion can’t be too far behind in getting the same critical look, a look that will – ultimately – be their undoing.That’s the way things go. Just as Reagan’s grandfatherly personality put a kind face on the debauchery, selfishness and emptiness of Republican policies, so his absence has allowed the mask to be stripped away. So, what starts as a general dislike of the personalities involved (bush, cheney et al) eventually morphs into a dislike of and disbelief in the core principles behind those personalities. In a short twenty years, regard for the Republican Party has gone from admiration of the Party as an extension of Reagan’s personality , to dislike of bush to a loathing of the Republican Party as an extension of bush.Ah, to live in a country where Xianity is discredited for the shell game it is, just as conservatism is now in the crapper. Wouldn’t that be wonderful?

  • Mr Mark

    Arminius -Certainly, by our societal standards, I am an extremist when it comes to my atheism, especially in the USA where only 16% of people self-identify as non-believers and where anti-theists are a small subset of non-believers.That said, I’m considered less of an extremist in this country than I would have been 30 years ago. AND, I’m actually in the majority in much of Europe where the religionists are considered to be the extremists. How about that?As far as considering oneself to be an extremist, I don’t know anyone who considers themselves to be so. Perhaps anarchists, but people who hold other passionate beliefs? No, we just consider ourselves to be ardent, as do you.I’m probably also considered an elitist by many. Who knows? You may as well throw all of the “e” epithets at me! I’m sure most of them fit one way or the other.

  • Lynn E

    The fact you’re missing is that these people aren’t deliberately dissing Barack (except for Wright playing “The Dozen’s” at the Press Corps dinner) but doing what they have done for years and did when Obama was there for 20 years. This is normal for these folks and normal for Obama. He is the man who “changing”, not them. He is changing for political reasons. Once he gets elected, if he is, it will be very interesting how he satisfies his friends who helped create his presidential candidacy. They have to be more enticing to him than his new friends in Washington will be. He has to fake it everyday with them and the “typical American” person.

  • blah

    I’m very dissappointed by this post. Apparently Mr. Berlinerblau is not very racially aware. I assume he grew up in a racially homogenius environment.

  • Arminius

    Mr Mark,First, I consider you as having possibly the finest mind on these blogs. You are extremely intelligent and educated, and, more than that, seem to be quite moral and ethical. These are qualities I respect.But… but…. despite your open mind about so many things, you have a steel trap mind about belief – rusted shut. Reading between the lines, I know that you somehow view me, and other progressive believers, as somehow, well, retarded. Perhaps that’s too harsh a word. Whatever.I do not view you as misled, let alone ‘retarded’. As I have said about non-belief, been there, done that. I know exactly where you are. The difference is that in my three decades of non-belief I never even in thought criticized a believer, unless he/she was trying to force a belief on me or others.We may have three factions here: the fundies, the militant non-believers, and the moderate believers. The fundies want to eliminate the non-believers and the moderates. The militant non-believers want to somehow do away with all believers. The moderates want us all to continue on the journey, and to debate, not eliminate.Hell, why am I babbling? No one will give a happy damn anyway.

  • candide

    Speaking of pastors, the absolutely worst pastor was Pius XII who did nothing to help Poles and Jews pursued by Nazis. He was only interested in his own power and the power of his Church. See the book review by Istvan Deak, a distinguished Columbia University scholar, or a book by Dan Kurzman on Hitler and Pius XII in the current New York Review of Books.

  • candide

    Speaking of pastors, the absolutely worst pastor was Pius XII who did nothing to help Poles and Jews pursued by Nazis. He was only interested in his own power and the power of his Church. See the book review by Istvan Deak, a distinguished Columbia University scholar, or a book by Dan Kurzman on Hitler and Pius XII in the current New York Review of Books.

  • Mr Mark

    Dear Arminius -First off, thank you for the very kind words. That said, you do have caveats. You wrote:”But… but…. despite your open mind about so many things, you have a steel trap mind about belief – rusted shut.”(Sidebar – your, “But…but…” put me in the mind of the movie, “Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure,” where Pee-Wee is telling his new friend, Simone, that if she wishes to go to Paris, she should just go. “But…but,” says Simone. “That’s the problem,”says Pee-Wee, “every woman I know has a big butt.”But I digress):You are probably correct that my mind set about religion resembles a steel trap. I wouldn’t say rusted shut, because I (obviously) still think about such things, and rust doesn’t form on an oft-used hinge. And, while I do believe that I have an open mind on many things, I will readily admit that my mind is fairly closed when it comes to religion, perhaps because I have expended much more time and energy contemplating religion (and it’s “truths”) than I have contemplating “many other things”.What I have reached is a place where – from my perspective – religion has taken its best shots at credibility and has come up entirely empty. I now see religion and a general belief in the supernatural in the same light as the arguments that were made in support of slavery – once you’ve decided the premise is false or even abhorrent, no amount of apology puts the gild back on the lily.I know that you were once and atheist yourself, but that you came back to religion (and Jesus, in particular) because you had a spiritual experience that (and, excuse me if I here paraphrase you incorrectly) you “can’t explain.” Well, there are plenty of things that were inexplicable at one time or another that have been given a rather sound – and, often times, simple – explanation as man’s knowledge set has built and built over the centuries.Would you allow that perhaps – PERHAPS – there is a sound, natural, non-supernatural, non-deistic answer to what your “spiritual” experience actually was, Arminius? Can you contemplate that such an explanation might be out there, and if so, that it could lead you back to atheism just as surely as your spiritual experience led you back to religion?I’m hoping you say “yes” to the above. Otherwise, you prove your mind just as rusted shut as the next guy (extremist or spiritualist…or not).;)

  • ba.

    dc..

  • Anonymous

    Obama’s Latest Pastor DisasterThe action took place last Sunday at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Yes. That Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago! This time, however, the valedictory is made not by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, but by a white Chicago Catholic priest by the name of Rev. Michael Pfleger. During his sermon, Father Pfleger mocked Hillary Clinton’s tears before the New Hampshire primary. He opines that she cried because she felt “entitled” because she is white “and there’s a black man stealing my show.” Father Pfleger apologized late Thursday for the remarks, saying his sermon was “inconsistent with Senator Obama’s life and message.”But by delivering his remarks, Father Pfleger seems to have officially submitted his entry to the What Else Can We At Trinity Do to Further Assure that the United States Does Not Have Its First African-American President Any Time Soon? video competition. And this application has “Finalist” marked all over it. It achieves this status because Father Pfleger has more than a passing acquaintance with the person who stands on the verge of winning the Democratic Party’s nomination. His precise relation to Senator Obama is presently being pieced together and rehearsed in articles across the internet (such as this one, and this one). As of now, it seems fair to say that Pfleger (who has suddenly disappeared from the candidate’s website) and Obama have known and liked one another for a long time. The former appears to have financially contributed to previous campaigns and to have worked for the present one prior to the Iowa Caucus. According to widely circulated reports (although I have not been able to track down the original source in the few hours since this story broke) Obama once referred to Pfleger as a “spiritual adviser” in a 2004 Chicago Sun-Times article. It’s going to be a long weekend for the Obama people. We have recently had the opportunity to see John McCain’s Pastor Distancing Techniques on display. Barack Obama, also well versed in Faith Based Disaster Management, has swiftly and unambiguously denounced the remarks. This rapid response might minimize the damage. In his own words:As I have traveled this country, I’ve been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that that unites us. That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger’s divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn’t reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause.After watching — slackjawed — Father Michael Pfleger’s remarks about Hillary Clinton and White privilege I have queries. First, what is it about that particular pulpit that brings out the inner Chris Rock in assorted Men of God? Second, are there any guys on the face of the earth having more fun than the four fellows in robes whooping it up directly behind Father Pfleger? Third, are we going to be told by Obama operatives that the remarks were taken out of context? Fourth, and most importantly, what will be the fallout for the Obama campaign?In a general election a presidential candidate typically moves to the center. It is now going to be even harder for Obama to do that since America keeps seeing footage of his friends who stand to the left of Fidel Castro.But that’s not all. The Senator from Illinois has his share of difficulties with White Blue Collar voters. I have observed elsewhere that this group loathes this type of rhetoric (unless it comes from Chris Rock). There’s more to be concerned about. Obama has demonstrated some weakness with Catholic voters. The fact that he finds himself receiving glowing praise from a priest who has been in a running, public feud with his local Cardinal might aggravate the problem.Let’s not forget Senator Clinton. She surely will chime in on this controversy later today. It will deflect attention from her own recent gaffes. And it will strengthen her supporters’ conviction that the racial hang-ups of Obama’s inner circle will accrue to John McCain’s greater glory. Too, there is more than a touch of misogyny in the priest’s oratory and (as the Male Space Invader Rick Lazio learned the hard way) many women voters rally to Hillary when they feel a gendered slight.I don’t doubt that the Senator’s aforementioned words of regret are sincere. I don’t doubt that he truly deplores this type of rhetoric. But how many more radical Left- wing confidantes from the South Side can undecided voters withstand? At what point do they start questioning the man’s claims about being a unifier who is above Red States and Blue States, Republican and Democrat, Conservative and Liberal? (For more information about religion and the candidates check out Faith 2008 by the Berkley Center for Religion, Peace & World Affairs.)Posted by Jacques Berlinerblau on May 29, 2008 7:53 PM

  • Anonymous

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  • Mr Mark

    Dear Arminius -So, there we have it.After your numerous requests that we On Faith bloggers not lump you in with the “fundies” and other religionists, in the end, you end up doing exactly what “they” do when confronted with something that challenges their faith at its core. You shut down the conversation from your end and flee the field. When the going gets personal, the Xians ALWAYS flee the field.Or, sure, you’ll discuss the nuances of Xianity, agree with some points of faith, disagree with others (as in, “anything older than the Babylonian Exile is probably myth, and anything older than Abraham most definitely is myth,” or, “I accept…the entire NT except for Revelation”), you’ll even join in on the atheistic fun and mock the fundies, but when it comes to a legitimate challenge to your core beliefs, well, it’s time to pick up one’s toys and go home. And on the “discussing belief” front with Mr Mark, it’s Arminius who’s going home forever.Well, let me say that I’m disappointed, but not surprised. Disappointed because you give every indication of wanting to play in the sandbox a bit, but not surprised because – sadly – this is the way it always ends when religionists of all stripes can no longer offer a cogent EXPLANATION of their beliefs, and must fall back on the, “you’ve crossed the line…I’m hurt” gambit.I really don’t know what you were expecting from an avowed non-believer like myself. Am I to cut you slack as a religious “moderate” (based upon…what? Your statement that the pre-Abraham sections of the Bible are myth? Your love of music?), even as your “this conversation is now closed” smacks of the worst attitude of the fundamentalist? Just how moderate are you? Not much, I’m afraid to say.And, I think I would be remiss if I didn’t point out my reply that has so hurt you originated NOT from something I initiated with you, but, rather, a reply I posted to MHR that you elected to hop in on and to comment upon. Considering what I had posted to MHR, I am at a loss for what you believed your entering the fray would accomplish. A change in the tenor of the discussion? Retraction or moderation of my statement that, “…self loathing of oneself and of humanity itself is part and parcel to the Xian view of life?”How little you know me, my friend.I will be the first to grant that your faith/beliefs are personal to you, an “absolute,” as you say. But let me ask you this: what makes you think your beliefs are any more personal or any more absolute than those of the typical fundie, or the typical fair-weather Xian, or the type of Xian that YOU choose to find nutty, for that matter? Isn’t that the beauty and curse of the Xian faith, that no one need take it as 100% true to find their “personal” path of “absolute truth”; that you’re allowed – every one of you! – to pick and choose what you’ll believe as truth and what you’ll discard and even laugh at as myth; that the TRUTH of the matter is that though even “if two be gathered in Jesus name,” while He may be there, 100% agreement on beliefs between the two Earthly attendees of said gathering is unattainable?Most egregiously, you choose to close down this avenue of discussion (“we part ways forever here on the subject of belief”) instituting a one-way street where you’re nowhere to be found, while allowing (ALLOWING!) that the two-way street on OTHER topics (like music) remain open between us and well-travelled. OK, but please don’t act hurt or surprised if I fail to hold up MY end of the conversation on those 2-way streets that you deign to be still acceptable to and operational in our online relationship. Like any other dance, it takes two to tango, and I may be a bit more circumspect on who in the future fills my dance card. After all, this blog is called “On Faith,” not, “On Classical Music,” and I fully intend to chat with fellow bloggers on this blog’s foundational “faith” subject 99.99% of the time.Arminius, I don’t know if you’re a fan of the TV show “Sex and the City,” but there was one episode where Charlotte found it to be quite stimulating and fun to hang out with a group of lipstick lesbians. They thought she was fun, too…at least until push came to shove, and it became clear that Charlotte was not going to put her mouth where their muffs were. Playing “at” the lesbian lifestyle was fun. Embracing its reality was quite another thing.In a way, your flirtation with the atheists on the blog has that kind of “Charlotte” feeling to it. Perhaps I’m wrong, but there you have it. It seems that you find the atheist-perspective conversation about faith stimulating. The reality behind the perspective (ie: that we atheists see all faiths and all LEVELS of faith to be equally fantasy based)? Not so much.The moral: lesbians are lesbians, and atheists are atheists.Sad to see you taking your toys elsewhere. Take care of yourself. PS: I don’t believe in absolutes, so I’m not closing any future doors to you, even if this post seems unnecessarily harsh.

  • Anonymous

    CANDIDE is a Muslim blogger who specializes in bashing Christians.

  • Peter Frady

    Reverend Wright told a flamboyant repressed Truth of American society since the Theft of America from the Native Americans. Secondarily Reverend Pfleger, was the Exclamation point, in another Pervasive mentality of entitlement and it can be purchased, American Politics and Governments of today’s arena? In church shall not all truth be told?

  • MikeinPhilly

    I’m a white Obama supporter but I’m worried. Apart from any racism, I suspect there may be a lot of people who were willing to give Obama a chance, and maybe even thought he would be a great candidate, but now may simply decide that it’s just too risky to vote for someone who hangs out with obvious nut cases like Wright and Pfleger (or who at least has spent a long time at a church that gives prominence to such clowns). Is my worrying justified?

  • Mr Mark

    Dear Mike inPhilly -Why be worried about Obama and his relationship to the nutty clergymen?First – by definition, clergymen are nutty. They all believe in and preach nutty things about imaginary beings.Second – if people are looking for a guilt-by-association reason to not vote for Obama, why focus on his relationships with some nutty clergymen that he sees a couple of times a year? Why not focus on his more-often and deeper associations with his fellow Senators? Guys like Joe Lieberman, Ted Stevens, Norm Coleman, Sam Brownback, Larry Craig and (gasp!) Hillary Clinton? He’s around these people almost every day, even sits next to ‘em and chows down with them.I mean, after all, these are just a few of the people who have cast votes that have DIRECTLY and NEGATIVELY impacted the lives of millions of Americans, most notably those who have been impacted by their votes to go to war in Iraq. By comparison, any big fish/small pond comments these clergymen have made pale in comparison to their actual effect on the country and their influence upon Sen Obama’s worldview.Third – if you’re really worried about Obama’s relationship with the nut factory, take a gander at the “men of god” his rival, McCain, has been hanging with. I mean, really, no one wins this battle-of-the-crappiest-clergy, do they?See you at the polls.Vote Obama!

  • Anonymous

    f**ck u!

  • Muddy Buddy

    This sermon was so clearly designed to deeply offend Senator Clinton’s supporters at the most curtial time, I strongly suspect that WAS THE INTENT. This Priest intent was to insure that Senator Obama would not be the first African American President.

  • KVB

    It still ceases to amaze me how wide the divide is between black and white people. I am black, I actually do not attend church, but I admit to enjoying some sermons, including Father Pfleger’s. I have not spoken to a single black person who didn’t enjoy it. Instead of judging the sermon, you should be asking why black people enjoyed it so much. It’s that the root of the issue? Did I believe everything he said, no. Did I laugh, yes. I am so sick of every commentator talking about how anyone could belong to that church. Do you know how popular that church is in Chicago. Everyone I know from Chicago has been a member at one time or another. It’s considered very mainstream there. Now, all of a sudden, it’s the craziest place anywhere. I’m actually sick of all of the people passing judgement instead of wanting to learn more!

  • DoTheRightThing

    Though I was never an Obama supporter due to his leftist and black-racist-church background, I still somewhat admired his presence and his seeming loyalty to his church of twenty years. Now that he has found it necessary for his political ambitions to abandon that church, I find nothing redemptive in the man. Obama now is nothing more than a shining example of naked ambition that is willing to abandon ANY friend, and support ANY foe to win elections. What a designer-suited, well-polished, ambitious, and slippery person. He reminds me of MacBeth, whose ambition led him to murder the rightful King and bring civil war upon his country.

  • jeff bailey

    there is nothing relevent about this. i have friends that can be dicks at times too, so what? this says nothing about how good of a president obama would be. its non-storys like this that distracted everyone back in 2004 and kept them from thinking about who would be better at the job. unless people get their heads out of their asses and pay attention to real issues they’re going to keep electing idiots like bush.after the 2004 election there was a headline in a british newspaper that asked how 50 million people could be so stupid, unfortunately i have my doubts as to whether those 50 million people are any smarter this time around.

  • MikeinPhilly

    MR MARK:I will absolutely vote for Obama (I think McCain would be a terrible president, although I think he is a person of integrity as far as presidential candidates go).My concern is that, given how fickle our populace tends to be, if anyone isn’t committed to voting for Obama, these nutty pastor episodes can give them reason for pause. Justified or not, that’s how politics is played.Thus, to the person who said these pastor issues are unimportant, I think you are incorrect. Any issue having the potential to garner significant public attention and be used to “smear” a candidate is important (and I predict that this issue has significant staying power). As we saw with the Swift Boat ads, it doesn’t matter if it’s a bunch of lies; many, probably millions, of Americans (whose SOLE source of election information is TV ads –they read NOTHING) are influenced by such tactics. And many of them will believe it (and for many of them it’s exactly the type of information they were hoping they could glom onto to justify voting against a candidate who is too liberal, too conservative, black, whatever).

  • dcp

    Barack’s resignation was a purely political move and the propagation of this video was a purely political move. He is being forced to throw all of his friends under the bus for an office he can never win thanks to the political sludge fest that has ruined the images of Hillary and Barack forever. He’s not responsible for someone else’s comedy schtick even if it is in a pulpit. But whatev! He’s not winning (and it’s probably for the best). He’s probably going to rejoin TUCC after he loses in November.

  • Madeleine

    U Tube is not a balanced forum. Senator Obama has referred many times to the good works done by Trinity church and the many positive contributions that Rev. Wright has made to that community. We have not seen videos on U Tube any of the positive sermons, nor has the news media seemed to feel any compunction about spewing only the extreme controversial buffonery (that seems to be a kind of occasional off shoot of a religious culture that tends to be emotional and demonstrative and outspoken) without giving even a nod to the uplifting sermons and public works that have benefited the Chicago black and poor communities. It seems to me, that if we are going to move past racism than we should not be dwelling exclusively on our differences and give some time to comptemplate the good we share as fellow human beings.

  • MikeinPhilly

    Madeleine:The “racism” won’t go away. There are people with a vested interest in fomenting racism because they know it will influence many voters. These people don’t think racism is good. They don’t really care about the underlying morals or ethics, they are out to win an election. Thus, they simply will use anything to gain a political advantage.

  • Madeleine

    U Tube is not a balanced forum. Senator Obama has referred many times to the good works done by Trinity church and the many positive contributions that Rev. Wright has made to that community. We have not seen videos on U Tube any of the positive sermons, nor has the news media seemed to feel any compunction about spewing only the extreme controversial buffonery (that seems to be a kind of occasional off shoot of a religious culture that tends to be emotional and demonstrative and outspoken) without giving even a nod to the uplifting sermons and public works that have benefited the Chicago black and poor communities. It seems to me, that if we are going to move past racism than we should not be dwelling exclusively on our differences and give some time to comptemplate the good we share as fellow human beings.

  • Madeleine

    U Tube is not a balanced forum. Senator Obama has referred many times to the good works done by Trinity church and the many positive contributions that Rev. Wright has made to that community. We have not seen videos on U Tube any of the positive sermons, nor has the news media seemed to feel any compunction about spewing only the extreme controversial buffonery (that seems to be a kind of occasional off shoot of a religious culture that tends to be emotional and demonstrative and outspoken) without giving even a nod to the uplifting sermons and public works that have benefited the Chicago black and poor communities. It seems to me, that if we are going to move past racism than we should not be dwelling exclusively on our differences and give some time to comptemplate the good we share as fellow human beings.

  • Mr Mark

    Dear MikeinPhilly -A friend of mine who also enjoys opera once said that if you dislike a particular singer it’s easy to verbalize what’s wrong with their singing.In the case of Obama, there are many people who will just never vote for the guy. Start with the die-hard Republicans who never have and never will vote for a Democrat. Next, there’s the people who won’t vote for a black, Dem or Rep. Then, there’s the people who simply refuse to vote, ever (about half the country).Such people find it easy to verbalize why they won’t vote for Obama. People who are die-hard Obama fans or even “hold my nose and always vote for the Dem” Democrats find it easy to verbalize why they’ll vote for Obama, no matter what.Ergo, it comes down to whether the remarks made by a nutty priest or minister has an actual impact on the voting sensibilities of people in the middle, people who by nature are willing to give all sides a fair hearing.At this point, the anti-Obama fires are being stoked primarily by the RWers who will never vote for a Dem and who will do their worst to derail any non-R candidate. I believe (and it’s my opinion, not a fact) that most people in the middle have had enough of the lies and corruption of the Rep Party and recognize the anti-Obama propaganda for what it is, ie: more lies and spin from the worst our political system has to offer.So, I’m not worried about it. We’re a long way from November, and once Hillary concedes this week, the RW will lose a major enabler of their anti-Obama tactics.Gotta go.

  • john salifu

    America is great country that enjoys greatness from the diversity of people from all over the world that have become citizens.A hybrid like obama will take America to greater heights considering the highly experienceed democrats that are backing the candidates.

  • obiewan

    @ john salifu,The only place Obama and his liberal Democrat “buddies” are going to take us is into a socialist society with a slash of Marxism for good measure. I will pass on both.

  • Anonymous

    @ john salifu,The only place Obama and his liberal buddies are taking this country is the fast track to socialism with a side order of Marxism for good measure. I, for one, will take a pass on his “vision” and vote for the lesser of two evils which is John McCain.

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