What God Has Invented, Man Has Polluted

God “invented” sex. Like so much of what God created — from our environment, to marriage — humankind has polluted … Continued

God “invented” sex. Like so much of what God created — from our environment, to marriage — humankind has polluted and perverted sex.

The Hebrew and Christian scriptures teach that sex has three primary purposes: (1) the procreation of new members of the human race; (2) physical pleasure; and (3) being a mirror of the unity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Paul the Apostle describes this last as “a mystery.”

In our sexually-obsessed culture in which body parts and bodily fluids are openly displayed and discussed on TV and the Internet, there is little “mystery” left about sex.

God also instituted boundaries for sexual expression to protect man from its misuse. Just as ignoring the physical laws of the universe –– from incorrectly mixing chemicals, to imprecisely measuring what’s necessary to reach the moon — can get one into trouble, so also, ignoring God’s boundaries for sexual expression has produced deadly sexually transmitted diseases, out-of-wedlock births, millions of abortions, corrupted relationships leading to alienation, divorce and spiritual as well as emotional damage.

Like a playground fence designed to protect children from outside threats, God established boundaries for sexual expression, not to deny us pleasure and fulfillment, but to enhance pleasure and fulfillment and for our protection. The landscape is littered with the broken lives of people who have gone outside those boundaries.

All sin – whether sexual, or something else – is the result of man thinking he knows better than God. Sin’s middle letter is “I.” I will do what I want. I know better than God. I will be the master of my own destiny.

In Leviticus 18, God tells Moses (and anyone else who will listen): “Tell the Israelites: I am the Lord your God. Follow my rules and live by my standards…You will have life through them…”

Mock God’s laws and will if you like. Sin openly as many do. Criticize as “old fashioned” those who seek to remain chaste before marriage and faithful within marriage. Embrace the notion as some religions and secularists do that one can have non-marital sex without consequences. But then consider the results.

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  • Craig

    I agree with Mr. Thomas. Well said, sir!

  • Tonio

    While it might be beneficial to have limits for sexual expression, the problem is that religions claim that God has determined those boundaries. Why should we accept any claim like that? For all we know, some earthly authority might have invented sexual rules for its own benefit, and simply used God’s name as a propaganda tool. Surely a married couple would remain monogamous because they love each other enough to uphold their promises, not because someone claims that God has ordered couples to be monogamous. Surely adultery should be wrong because of the betrayal and deception involved, not because someone claims that God wrote a commandment against adultery.

  • Jason Wang

    Bravo, Mr. Thomas!You put forth your point of view with clarity and brevity. You didn’t go out of your way to offend or attack anybody; you merely stated your own opinion.A well written article for us all to ponder and slowly chew over, instead of hastily jumping to conclusions and resorting to insults.

  • :::

    Right On, Anonymous

  • nosemajd

    I was struck by your comment, “In our sexually-obsessed culture in which body parts and bodily fluids are openly displayed and discussed on TV and the Internet, there is little “mystery” left about sex.” As a child and later as a parent and now retired I have lived on farms and I can tell you sir, that their is little “mystery” about sex in nature, especially after you’ve had to assist in both conception and birth. The only “mystery” about sex is that put upon it by man. My children and I received an education in “sex ed” far superior to anything learned in school, weekday or Sunday! Not to mention lessons in responsibilty, compassion, initiative, forthrightness taught up front and personal that no sterile reading of the bible or pontificating from the pulpit can convey. Between living on farms I spent time traveling overseas, as an army brat, a grunt and a civilian, or going to school learning history, principally Colonial American and I can also tell you that we do not live in either a particulary blessed or cursed country, nor are we living in either a particulary dissolute or virtuous time in our history. According to the records kept by the Puritans, more than half of all initial births occurred less than nine months after the nuptials. You only have to look at the bar bill for the Continental Congress and calculate the quantity of alcohol consumed per member to understand why otherwise sober and thoughful men would so blithley take on the most formidable military power of the age–the answer is simple! They were sh*t-faced, and pretty much stayed that way for the duration. (Do I hear, “Bring ’em on?” or how about, “The Red Coats are coming, hee haw!”) History rarely lives up to one’s high ideals, but it sure is a lot more interesting than some mythologized sacred cows. Oh yes and do indulge me one more comment on your comment that, “The landscape is littered with the broken lives of people who have gone outside those [sexual] boundaries.” Buddy, the landscape is littered with a lot more lives broken from causes other than crossing sexual boundaries. The professed horror of “Crossing sexual boundaries” is just a distraction from the real war on freedom and liberty waged by the minions of the persecutors of the human spirit, of which you Cal Thomas are one. Since when did you start offering advice on sex? Your opinions about the necessity for war and the need to support your president regardless of national interest don’t seem particularly enlightining–anymore. So now you’ve moved on to pontificating about sex, another subject for which you are as unqualified to speak as anyone. God bless America, where anyone with a big enough megaphone can drown out debate and claim the ensuing deafness proves he’s right . . . well as my ma used to say, “Those who can–do, and those that can’t talk about it.” Of course I really liked what my first Platoon Sergeant said upon overhearing a conversation among some very green lieutenants concerning the virtues and vices of sex, and remarked, literally in passing, “Gentlemen, if you don’t think sex is dirty–you ain’t doin’ it right!” Now that is real, “Wisdom from the East and from the West, that is subject to no academic rule,” and truer words were ne’er spoken. Semper Fi, Mac!

  • Russell D.

    Brambleton,When you say you’d rather have your children learn about the passion of sex from the Bible, does that also include the incest and sex with animals? Just wondering, cause it seems to me that the Bible has a really aweful way of looking at sex.

  • Ba’al

    Cal Thomas quotes from Leviticus while warning us of the sad consequences of mocking God’s laws.Only someone who is really looking to be mocked quotes from Leviticus. Here is part of it that says that God finds childbirth sinful.12:2 If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.

  • D. Cox

    BYRONE,You are correct. It is more than sex outside of marriage that is ailing humanity. Mr. Thomas’ comments simply stated that the misuse of what is good can be very detrimental. Never said anything about sex being dirty or unholy…I have 5 children with the same wife and don’t feel one bit guilty about the joy of the conception experience.:) I don’t base my life on statistics, but I don’t dismiss or rationlaize them either. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it seems that it is a pretty good chance that it is a… It’s not a deep question to meditate on. I agree with your statement, “Think for yourself.” The reason STDs are on the increase is not because the population continues to grow. It seems that folks want to dismiss any evidence that would infringe on their freedom. Honor what is right and you won’t borrow any additional trouble. What’s right is healthy.The point that there is a Way to live transcends human sexuality. The guys I visited in the local jail yesterday were not there because of sex crimes. They violated a written code of law and conduct and now they are dealing with the consequences. Simple, follow God’s Way.

  • D. Cox

    BYRONE,RE. The WayNot a chance. It’s all about a personal relationship that God initiated. DC

  • Roy

    Sex is one of the most powerful human drives and emotions. It is no surprise religion has targeted this in its never ending quest to control and dominate people. Sexual response is an easy target to generate guilt. Guilt is the motivator of religions. Man will never be free of sexual desire. It’s in our wiring. Maybe oneday, man will be free of religion trying to make us feel guilty about it for the purpose of total domination and manipulation.

  • Russell D.

    D.Cox, Ok, I can see that you are a good guy, and you agree with Byrone, and that I’d like to buy you a drink too. But I do have to add one comment about that personal relationship part. God doesn’t initiate it, Man does. Did God come to you? No.

  • Russell D.

    Hey Joe Campbell, Lighten up dude. I don’t believe in God either, but I do have respect for people that do believe in Him. The only time it pisses me off is when they try to make me believe in what they do, and don’t listen to what I say. Belief in God is not a weakness………its just what that person needs to get through the day. think of it more as a crutch.

  • Brambleton

    Russell,Please post the Biblical scripture that condones incest and sex with animals. I’ll look forward to your response.Byrone,Apparently, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Please explain to me how I can have a relationship with God but be without religion.

  • Anonymous

    Brambleton may be right about sex with animals. After all, there is this in Genesis:2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.So, let’s review: Apparently after deciding that none of the animals were a proper help meet for lonely Adam — maybe this is because they tried things we don’t want to talk about — God made Adam fall asleep, took one of his ribs, made Eve, and hilarious and wacky adventures ensued. Recall that the next chapter in the book has a talking snake, so it seems that Adam could have had a conversation with the animals if the LORD had willed it — apparently they were found to be lacking in some other way. As I said, Brambleton knows his scriptures!

  • Ba’al

    Oops, I did it again. The last reply to Brambleton about animal sex and Genesis is mine.

  • Ba’al

    Crazy Cal Thomas uses Leviticus to make his point. Of course passages therein would sanction making slaves of any illegal immigrants, or Buddhists living in the US, and keeping them forever! I’d say it’s a pretty good deal for Cal.Leviticus 25:44-46

  • Joe Campbell

    Fine, we can call it a crutch. That works for me. A retarded mystical crutch that turns wine into blood and hates gay people. Fine crutch indeed.

  • byrone

    Brambleton, You are obviously an intelligent person. I will answer, but please don’t take any offense, as I mean none. God is bigger than any religion. You can talk to God as easily as I or anyone else on this planet. So where does the neccessity for religion come into play? If you have an honest, open conversation with God, why do you need a religion to justify or give credence to your relationship with God? God exists whether or not we simple humans acknowledge him/her with a religion. If you happen to fully agree with a particular religion’s views of God, then subscribe to that religion. I am just saying that I believe that God is far too great to be encapsulated by any mere mortal’s religion. I don’t think that we can fully express the enormity of God with a religion, no matter how inspired that religion may be. I don’t look down upon those that do, I only implore them to examine God and their personal relationship with God for themselves. I think that God is the most important thing in any humans life, so to leave your relationship with God up to someone else is sinful. Take full responsibility for your relationship to God. It’s when we get caught up in someone else’s dogma that we trivialize God. That is unforgivable in my book. Not to say that MY book is gospel, just that I take my relationship with God with the utmost sincerity. If we all did so, maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess. Who knows? Certainly not I. Much respect to you, Russell. I wish more of us had such passion for God, regardless of our religious affilliations. Peace to you. Let’s get together with Russell D. for a beer. Or maybe some wine.

  • byrone

    Sorry bout that last part. Meant to say much respect to you, BRAMBLETON, let’s have a beer with Russell. It’s been a loooooong day!

  • Brambleton

    Ba’al,Does it make you feel superior to mock others? I believe what the animals and Adam were lacking were fellowship and intimacy. If you would like to infer that there was some sort of sexual relationship, well, your loss.Joe Campbell,I must have missed the book in the Bible that condones “hating gays”. Could you please point me in the right direction? Thanks!

  • Brambleton

    Byrone,Thanks for taking the time to respond. I guess I don’t have the same view of religion that you do, although I have to admit I’ve never really given “religion” much thought. One of the things God calls on us to do is fellowship with one another. If we praise God only by ourselves, we miss this calling. I am Baptist and attend Baptist services. But friends of mine are also Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic, Presbyterian, etc., etc. While my friends and I can disagree on certain interpretations of scripture, we generally are committed to the same one, true, living God. My relationship to God is first and foremost. My affiliation to the Baptist theology only stems from what my relationship with God has provided me.I’m always up for a beer! Or wine for that matter. Just need to make sure I don’t give in to “drunkeness and lewd behavior”!

  • Ashley

    Russel D. and Byrone are my heroes! I’m eternally grateful to find others who think as I do without giving in to the hate so prevalent when discussions of religion and sex come up. I’ll buy you both a drink. Sex is a beautiful thing, no matter who invented it. But people tend to look at it as an “either-or” situation: either you’re married and honoring God with your sexuality, or you’re engaging in casual sex with all comers. People like myself are in the middle; they have sex before or between marriages (whole ‘nother issue) in committed relationships that don’t always lead to marriage, but that doesn’t mean we’ll sleep with anyone. Please consider the middle position, and try to remember that we’re not mocking the insitution of marriage by our choices; we’re simply living our lives. I’ll respect you and not mock your position as long as you respect me and don’t shake your head and say I’m beyond all redemption because I don’t tie my decisions to words written by other human beings — divinely inspired or not.

  • DW

    Brambleton asks above:”Joe Campbell,I must have missed the book in the Bible that condones “hating gays”. Could you please point me in the right direction? Thanks! “Of course, scripture does not promote hate of homosexuals, but it certainly shows, yea many, many years ago, that the practice of such leads to a penalty.Romans 1:22-27

  • TDAY

    “Only someone who is really looking to be mocked quotes from Leviticus. Here is part of it that says that God finds childbirth sinful.”Ba’al stated the quote above.This shows, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that those who defy God and think they know what they are saying fall flat on their faces. Anyone who has studied the bible objectively and honestly knows what the sin offering was for. It was not for giving childbirth. The sin offering was common, for the forgivness of all sins. A common thing just as, in a new testament light, those who believe and are consistently on their knees asking God, in the name of Jesus Christ (who replaced the ORDINANCES..not the law) for forgivness of their sins.If those who defy the bible wish to claim they know what it is talking about, a little advice: do a little more study to avoid mud on your face.

  • rafael

    Thomas sounds silly to anyone who is not obsessed with the supernatural. The same people who think that it’s lunacy to hold seances to connect with the dead think it’s perfectly fine to conjure a supernatural being that invents things to keep fences around us. But I digress from my point:Sexual reproduction is found in all groups of animals, save for one class of rotifers. Sex is not necessary to produce new members of any species, nor is it involved in the physical pleasure of animals that release gametes into the sea, nor is it the mirror of anything supernatural for flatworms or barnacles.It has evolved and been maintained in organisms (not just humans, Cal) for one reason: to produce genetic variation in offspring. In fact, there is a genetic cost to diluting one’s contribution each generation, so the benefits must be pretty powerful to maintain it so widely. Understanding how it came to be, of course, doesn’t explain its significance to human adults, which varies among human cultures. But in the context of what we actually understand about sexual reproduction, rather than the stuff preachers want to make up about it, it seems goofy to talk about sex like it was sent to humans from heaven.

  • J. Rhinehart

    “All sin – whether sexual, or something else – is the result of man thinking he knows better than God. Sin’s middle letter is “I.” I will do what I want. I know better than God. I will be the master of my own destiny.” — ThomasSIN, if I remember correctly, means to “miss the mark of perfection”. If you consider God = perfection, then I agree with you.

  • Russell D.

    To all, Don’t get me wrong, I think religion is good. Over all, it teaches good things, like kindness and generousity. Yet somehow it also teaches regression and hate. Yes, I said hate. I also said regression. When a person lives with repressed feelings and needs for so long, it can have bad consequences, even more so than if one was to have sex before marriage. People say that the Bible needs to be followed because it is the word of God.It is not the word of God, it is the word of men, who think they know what is best for us. Are you gonna let someone tell you how to live your life? I’m not. I am gonna live my life to the fullest. If that includes sex before marriage, then so be it. I’ll bet that I will die a happier man than the one who spent his life in service and repression. And guess what, I’ll bet I even go to the same place you do.

  • RM

    Responding in a fashion that god does exist, I would say that there is quite some variety in sexual expression. Where as some monothiests would claim that sex exists for the sole purpose of procreation and a very minute percentage if any have sex just for that purpose, so therefore pepole are having sex without reason for procreation.

  • Christian Lafferty

    Mr. Thomas, I must admit, I am not perfect, however, I couldn’t agree with you more on this article.

  • Concerned

    I feel sorry for you, Joe Campbell. You are obviously a very lost and unhappy person. I’m sure you live your life in just the way you described, but it doesn’t seem to have given you any contentment or peace. You seem like an angry person. You can continue to “do what you want”, but you will never know the riches of a true relationship with God. For that reason, I am truly concerned for you.When you are taking your last breath, you can reflect on all the great sex you have had in your lifetime. I hope that brings you some peace in those last moments.

  • Also Anonymous

    Funny how the article, whatever Cal had to say appeared thoughtful and reverent. Something to chew on even if you may disagree. None of the comments from the crowd offered anything thoughtful or even useful. Just the same tired drivel and insults about how there’s no mystery except in our own imagninations…something that probably led Cal to feel a “need” or desire to write such an article in the first place. If you think Cal and his faith is full of crap, why did you read his article in the first place? I don’t know about you, but the way I linked to the article blatently stated that it was from a religious perspective. What kinds of things did you expect him to write about. Duh!

  • Michael Wood

    To paraphrase Mr. Campbell:”One can … without consequences.”Taking the charged portion of the sentence out makes it clearly obvious that the statement as a whole is patently untrue. Anyone that thinks they can do anything without consequences, whether it is throwing a ball or having sex, is an idiot. It doesn’t matter if you prefer the laws of physics or the laws of God, both teach that every action will have consequences. Ignore that fact at your own risk, but don’t spew your own lies, “you nutjob.”

  • lstof2

    sounds like something only the true God would say to the many pathetic humans that follow their own counsel & wisdom to what is right & wrong

  • SIKANDER HAYAT

    WHAT IS ULTIMATE TRUTH???

  • SIKANDER HAYAT

    WHAT IS ULTIMATE TRUTH???

  • SIKANDER HAYAT

    WHAT IS ULTIMATE TRUTH???

  • Russell D.

    To Sikander,Want to know the ultimate truth…………..here it isA person is intelligent, whereas people are idiots

  • Laurie

    If one thinks the Bible doesn’t mention sex it’s because one isn’t reading it. Read the Song of Solomon and you’ll know what I’m talking about. We are free moral agents and thankfully many of us are fortunate to live in a place where we can choose to worship God or not. Whether or not our forefathers had too much to drink I’m glad that they had the courage to fight for the freedoms we enjoy. For those that don’t believe in God, well that’s your choice and that’s my point. We all have choices to make and we all have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Whether you believe in the inspired word of God is your choice but I challenge you to read it anyway. I also would like to encourage respectfulness of people’s choices. Whether Christian, Jew, Muslim or atheist, be respectful of people and their right to free speech and freedom of religion.

  • Vincent

    You people need to wake up. Remember 9-11. Oh, this could never happen. It did!! Why? Cal’s comments ring true for many reasons. The replys reflect this also. That mankind is so far removed from truth is self-evident. We don’t even know who we are or why we are. Quit thinking the devil lives in a subterranean cavern waiting for the dead. He corrupts the minds of unbelievers.If you think the universe was created by some force unknown and unacknowledged. Go ahead. If you think mankind is not accountable to God? Think again. Ask the people of Noah’s era, Sodom and Gomorrah, and other destructions in the bible what they think now.Jesus was a perfect man and he was murdered. Fable?? The truth of the bible is clearly reflected in so many lives today. You don’t care and you don’t believe!! Live your life, but know this God waits in silence for a reason: to judge the living and the DEAD!!

  • sm

    If God created sex, he didn’t create enough of it.

  • Russell D.

    Vincent,

  • J.T.

    Joe Campbell,I think it’s better to believe and follow God, only to die and find He doesn’t exist, than to openly deny His existence with such hatred, only to die and find out He Is.

  • anonymous

    Mr. Thomas uses the word “Sex” several times in his article but does not once use the word “love”. Is he implying that sex is a matter of of simply following rules and love is not a factor? What a glaring error.

  • Egghead

    God played two cruel jokes on humanity. One is that any two idiots can get together to produce a child that is completely dependent upon those two idiots for survival. The other one is that He placed the world’s most valuable substance beneath the feet of half a billion maniacs.

  • Hewitt Rose

    Cal:For the sake of argument assume a God. Your comments then raise two questions. First, how would you know what God wants in regards to sex? You make all sorts of assumptions about absolute rules that apply regardless of the evil consequences of such rules. For example, you declare all divorse is bad. Experience suggests otherwise. So may be you are talking to you, not God. How do you know?Second, different religions reach different conclusions about sex, and even members of your own religion do not agree with your entire sexual agenda. So, who is to tell which one of religous views is right? They can’t all be right, because they contradict each other. Are you arrogant enough to believe that you have the One True Path to God? If you cannot answer these questions, then you have no basis for your claim, “because God said so.” You don’t know that.

  • JH

    My hat’s off to you! Society today is so immoral! I am truly scared for these people without God in their life! I pray that the Holy Spirit moves in the lives of the non-believers! The Bible is the “Word” and we all should be living by it! Look at society today verses 15-20 years ago! I don’t even want my children to watch t.v. these days! WAKE UP AMERICA!

  • David

    Cal;I’m a fan of your writting but please stop lumping us Jews with you Christians. Speak for your own folks and we will do the same. Second; we have no “Father, Son and Holy Ghost”; just G-d. That difference alone should make the term Judeo/ Christian seem as innacuate as it is.

  • Gordon Larson

    Thank you for a straight-forward, scriptually-based column.

  • Gordon Larson

    Thank you for a straight-forward, scriptually-based column.

  • Gordon Larson

    Thank you for a straight-forward, scriptually-based column.

  • Russell D.

    To JH:You say today’s society is immoral as opposed to 15-20 years ago? Maybe, but we like it that way. What about how it was 30 or so years ago with public lynchings. Parents brought their children to watch innocent black men be hung and tortured. You telling me that it was alright? Because if you were to really follow the word of God according to the Bible, we’d still have slavery. Read your Bible again and hopefully, you’ll understand that it is not something to by exactly, it is something to look at and use as a guideline. Ever heard of the saying, don’t believe everything you read? It’s true

  • byrone

    Whether you believe in God or not has nothing to do with your ability to think for yourself. If you believe in God, establish your own relationship with God. Don’t let smug, self-righteous blow hards like Cal tell you want God wants. Don’t let some 2000 yr old book written by sexist old men tell you what God wants. Is it blasphemous to say that you can communicate with God just as clearly as any member of human society? No. But it certainly undermines the power that the church holds over your life. That’s why they don’t preach it. Cal would never recommend it, because you never have to listen to his half-witted regurgitations of tired platitudes. I have news for you, Cal and everyone of your poor apostles. Old-fashioned is just a nice way of saying that you are too mentally lazy to try to figure out life for yourself and too scared to question authority. Religions have been invented, re-thought, redefined and dismissed over the course of humanity’s evolution. Why stop with the religions we have now? Why not make a better religion? Or, better still, come to the realization that faith in God does not require adherence to a religion. God exists with or without religion. Let’s just try to be good to each other. How’s that for a belief? Oh. By the way. To say that Cal doesn’t stoop to attacking or insulting anyone is to admit to turning a blind eye. To cast stones at those who have “broken lives” as a result of living outside of God’s rules is most certainly an attack and an insult. Every bit as much as I have insulted and attacked Cal. At least I don’t deny it. I’m not afraid to admit my humanity.

  • Russell D.

    Byrone,Hey man, let me buy you a beer dude. That was excellent, I couldn’t put it better myself

  • byrone

    Thanks, Russell. I’d like to buy you a beer too. Maybe if we have enough of them, we can figure out how to get it through people’s heads that they don’t need religion to love life and love God. Either way, we’ll have a good time! Peace, brother.

  • Ba’al

    TDAYOn the contrary, the sections in Leviticus that I quoted meant exactly what they said. If you would like, I could translate them for you from the original Hebrew. Mud on my face Tday? I don’t think so.Obviously, the vast majority of us would find rules like these which I mentioned in Leviticus to be absurd, unless Tday, you like the idea of making bondsmen of the strangers in your midst. But the rules people like Cal Thomas throw at us are equally arbitrary.

  • D. Coxq

    Interesting comments from those who hold to the opinion that sex is free for the taking and that there are no consequences for “free-love.”Interesting that the evening news reported just yesterday, 2/14, that an estimated 19 million new cases of STDs are reported each year. Almost half of this number represents thosed who are ages 15-24…hmmmInteresting that the CDC research backs up these numbers. Interesting that in the early 1960’s there were only 2 STDs and now there are 25…hmmm? Interesting that the CDC also reports that the cost of treating STDs is $13 billion annually. Interesting. It looks like reality is confirming to us that writing our own rules may not be the best choice in the long run nor is it free. It would seem that we are trying the experiment of how not to live, and in the process we are discovering that there really is a Reality. As E. Stanley Jones used to say, “There is a way that is not the Way. There is a way that is the Way. The way that is not the way always leads to consequences. The way that is the Way always leads to results.” Interesting…I think I will continue to choose the Way that leads to results.

  • DB

    Religion and it’s moral spew has done more to harm people than anything else in history.

  • lstof2

    jesus spoke the truth too… but the people rejected him as well too bad

  • byrone

    d.coxq,Interesting that you make these monumental assumptions. Interesting that as the population increases, so do the instances of STD’s. Interesting how you fail to explore the possibility that maybe it’s mother nature introducing these STD’s as a way of telling us stupid humans to stop procreating because she can’t sustain that many lives. Interesting that you don’t further expore the possibility that cancer and all other non-sexual diseases also fall into this category. Interesting that you insist that it’s dirty, unholy sex that is ailing humanity, not our self-righteousness. I have a suggestion. Do some meditation on some deeper questions. If you have the courage.

  • byrone

    d.coxqP.S. Your “Way that leads to results”. Is that the same way that has led to a Vatican that hordes inordinate amounts of great art and wealth while their fellow humans are starving to death? A Vatican that protects child molestors? Is that the same way? Interesting……

  • Brambleton

    “Whether you believe in God or not has nothing to do with your ability to think for yourself.” That’s right. And what secular society has come up with, after decades of thinking for itself, is that 6th graders are better off with condoms. That’s right. We’re weak, selfish, and hard wired to have sex. No thanks. I’d rather my children experience the intimacy and passion of sex as described in the Bible as opposed to carrying around all the baggage associated with “casual” sex.

  • WiccanTexan

    “God also instituted boundaries for sexual expression to protect man from its misuse.”Biologically & scientifically, it is proven that homosexuality is part of nature, and a natural (in this context, God-created) function. So, would this fall under your “protected from misuse” definition? Just curious.

  • Anonymous

    Seeing as the two major religions in the world (Islam and Catholicism) are RIDDLED with gross perversion I think religions should shut up about sex.Buggering Bishops, Pedo Priests, Child raping Clerics and Holy men etc etc….I won’t be lectured on sex by perverted dogs.And your God gave us a sex drive not relotely based on procreation.Seems God wanted us to have sex whenver we wanted to and to judge that by our OWN morality and risk assessment.I THINK YOU CALL IT FREE WILL!!

  • treesa

    “We all, humans, bees and birds do it” when it comes to sex. One thing is sure, god has given SELF CONTROL only to humans. I wont even say the wisdom to know the right from wrong. He has given that power to animals too. Dog is an example. He is loyal to his master and if an intruder gets in he will attack.

  • byrone

    Brambleton, You personify my objection to the Bible and organized religion. You took what I said and twisted it to fit your argument. I never once mentioned giving condoms to 6th graders. I never even inferred that in my message. You simply want to paint me as a pervert that wants to encourage moral decay. Please don’t put words in my mouth. What is it about most christians that I come in contact with that makes them want to tell me how to think and feel. I encourage you to think for yourself. I don’t tell you how to think.

  • DJ

    Brambleton,That post about the 6th graders was ridiculous even for you. You referenced absolutly nothing that had been discussed. A child could pick apart your “argument”.

  • Greg

    Hey BA’AL,

  • Tonio

    “There are parts though that got overruled. Things like diet, circumcision stoning adulterers etc., no longer apply to Christians because of Jesus and his ministry.”Greg, I can understand that teaching, although I stress that it may not be obvious to casual readers of the Bible. Instead, my issue is with God’s behavior in the Old Testament. A God that would play sick mind games with Abraham and Job and that would order Joshua to commit genocide, does not sound like a being that is capable of unconditional love. Emotional torture and mass slaughter are unacceptable under any circumstances. Ascribing these atrocities to God doesn’t make them acceptable.

  • Greg

    God was testing Abraham’s and Job’s faith to Him. Both were richly rewarded for staying true to their faith. I’ve been tested by God a couple of times and I am stronger for it.Jesus never never promised an easy life, He did promise that God would not abandon us. I’m not enough of an expert on the Bible to talk about Jonah and conquering the promised land so I’m not even going to hazard a guess.

  • Tonio

    Greg, what I’m saying is that it’s wrong for a being to deliberately test another being like that. That has nothing to do with proving faith and everything to do with manipulation for its own sake.

  • Bobster

    Mr. Thomas, I agree with most of the points you made in your article. Sex has given birth to at least one major disease, and other minor diseases in the past years. It still amazes me that people can actually die from having sex. I know the possibility of death, insanity, etc.. was always there from having sex, but nothing like it is today. Its hard to realize that at one time man nor woman had to worry about catching a disease from a sexual act. And yes we as people have made sex dangerous. And yes, I do believe its due to our Ego, or as you say “I”. I think it is healthy and a good moral choice for people who want to remain chaste before marriage, and faithful during marriage. I will have to agree with the scientist who say that sex will become even more dangerous in the future, that we are only begining to see some of the problems that we as a species have created because of our greed. For some of us from the 60s and 70s our legacy of “free love, and drugs” have come home to roost. My grown children often ask me; “What were yall thinking about for Gods Sake?” I tell her “Me, Myself, and I”.

  • ABSOLUTE 0-K

    My old Friend, it is good to see you again. Welcome back. I hope you are well.

  • Greg

    That is an interesting point. How else would you test someone’s faith, a true false quiz? How do you prove someone is faithful to you? You test them. That’s what God did, and they passed with flying colors. God could have manipulated them to make them pass but he allowed them to choose. We test the faithfulness of people all the time. Would you marry someone who was unfaithful? Would you go into business with someone who was unfaithful?

  • Ambassador for Christ

    Hi Tonio,Forgive me for not reading all of the posts here, so I have not traced the current conversation back to its origin. However, concerning God’s testing of Abraham and Job, you stated that “it’s wrong for a being to deliberately test another being like that.”Based on your statement, may I suggest that it is only wrong if the two beings are equal in nature. However, the God of the Bible (OT & NT) is shown to be the all-wise Creator of man, an infinitely higher being than we are. Isaiah 40:12-31 offers a compelling comparison between the nature of man and the nature of God, and concludes that the nations of the world are like a speck of dust on the scales compared to God. God’s ways are higher than our ways and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. He can see the big picture when we see only a small speck of time. He knows that we must endure suffering at times in order to become more dependent upon Him and to become better human beings because of it. But, it doesn’t feel like it at the time, that’s for sure. It’s not pleasant and it doesn’t seem fair.Perhaps a human example will offer a better way to illustrate this point. When folks have a baby, they take the little one to the doctor on numerous occasions, often to receive immunizations, which are painful to the child. As the child grows older, he/she begins to plead with the parent not to go to the doctor because the shot is going to hurt. That’s all that the child is focused on: the pain. The parent, who is much wiser than the child, knows that the child needs the immunization in order to stay healthy and avoid more serious illnesses. But because the shot is painful, should the parent instead give in to the child? No, because the parent sees the big picture and knows that the shot is ultimately for the child’s best interest, even though the child does not understand that fact. The same is true for God. In his infinite wisdom, He sees the big picture and that certain character traits can only be developed through trials and yes, suffering. Ultimately, it is for our good and His glory.I hope this helps.Have a wonderful weekend everyone!

  • Anonymous

    The origin of all religions, in three panels:Panel 1: Two cave-men stand looking at the sun. One says to the other, “How DOES that thing make it clear across the sky every damn day?” The 2nd cave-man replies (with a sneaky smile on his face) “Well, don’t you know ole Grag that stopped moving a few years ago, and we put him in that hole? Well, he climbed back out, jumped up there and started yanking that yellow thing across the sky every day.” Panel 2: First cave-man says, “Damn, I bet you’re right! Gotta go tell the others!” And he runs off.Panel 3: Second cave-man laughs, then gets a serious look on his face and says: “You know, there could be some money in this!”

  • Russell D.

    Ok, I’ll admit, the sex with animals was a little off, but I am not taking back the incest part. If yuo can’t find it, you don’t read well enouhg into the words of the Bible. Adam and Eve first had son, right? One is killed by the other and the other is now an outcast. Adam and Eve then have daughters……….the sons get with the daughters: hmmmm, sounds like incest to me. But oh well, who cares, its not important. As for Byrone, Brambleton, and Ashley…….all I have to say is one thing-KARAOKE!!!!! We can have a good ole time and not be pressured by the overbearing religious right. I truly enjoy these discussions because it allows people to voice what they think without repercussions. Now I know sex is a major issue, but you know what? Who cares? If I see sex one way, then another person sees it another way. That is what makes this place so great, the diversity. The only problem with that is the people who seem to think it is their duty to convert me and my way of thinking to theirs or else I am going to Hell. You need to remember, Heaven and Hell are manmade concepts. They are what you make them. Heck, I consider Pizza “food of the Gods”(I really said that last night). So look at it this way….the mind is an incredible thing, it can create, destroy, and conjure up things that are a total mystery to any other.

  • Brambleton

    DW:Good effort with the Romans passage but you’re missing the point. God hates the “sin” of man, God doesn’t hate man. God did not create any human being as a homosexual. People become homosexuals because they yield to abnormal acts or lust. Though people are not born homosexuals, the Bible does say that ALL human beings are born with a sin nature. If we yield to the evils of the flesh (and don’t take that to mean sex is bad) it will lead to our own personal destruction not only in this life, but in the life to come.Romans 8:1-15

  • Russell D.

    Brambleton, Ok, I am gonna have to disagree with you there, on the whole homosexual aspect. Being gay is not a choice, it is who a person is. It is as natural as heterosexualtiy. God never said anything about being gay as sin. A homophobic writer did. Jesus never said anything about it. Jesus was the man, he loved everybody. I think we can learn more from life through the teachings of Jesus than we can from what some people 2,000 years ago believe God would want us to do. I have gay and lesbian frineds. they are the most wonderful people to be around. Why you ask? Because they are not afraid to be who they are. they enjoy life, and yes they might even believe in God. And just a tip, if you ever want to meet women, hang out with a gay man, they know plenty of women to introduce you to. I also have one other question…….if you watch porn, and I don’t know if you do, I assume you don’t watch man on man porn, but you’ll slow mow the woman on woman porn, am I right? So what the difference? the beauty of the women? And let me ask this also……when watching regular straight porn, do you expect to see a man with no hard on or with? Hmmmmm, think about that. I’d still buy you a beer though

  • Norrie Hoyt

    Brambleton,”God did not create any human being as a homosexual.”No, he didn’t – he was absent at the creation.But evolution and biology did.

  • TS Jones

    Thank you Russell D, I know I’m not alone in my thoughts – you have put them into words for me.For me there is no god, except the god that man has made for his own uses. To foster hope and friendship and love.I need no god to know what love and loyalty and honesty is. I need no god to teach me hate and dispare and guilt. I choose no god, no religon. When death closes my eyes forever I know my sleep will be the deepest nothingness known. And I’m fine with that.

  • Big Daddy

    There is no god. Get over it.

  • Fate

    JH wrote:Here in lies a big problem, fear of those not like yourself. Its called bigotry.—I pray that the Holy Spirit moves in the lives of the non-believers!—Do you mean “hope” or “pray”, because if you meant “pray”, then you believe you can summon God when you want to do your bidding. Do you believe you can do that? Do you believe God is a sword you can wield?—The Bible is the “Word” and we all should be living by it!—Who is to say we are not? Does one need to believe in God to live by the “Word”? Does one need to believe in God to have a normal sex life in marriage? Its funny how bigots assume a lot about people based on one trait, in this case, their religious belief. I guess the pedophile priests or homosexual daliances of Haggert and the many preachers who praise God while having extramarital affairs have not made you consider that we are all the same. Call us all children of God if you like. But we are all the same and only you labeling and separating people by their belief makes us different. —Look at society today verses 15-20 years ago! I don’t even want my children to watch t.v. these days!—20 years ago was 1987. You say things are worse today? I don’t see much difference. Maybe you went from TV over the air, which is heavily regulated, to cable TV, which, since YOU are paying for it, is not as regulated. Much of what is on TV today is re-runs from 1987 (Seinfeld?). And when has TV been a good thing to watch. I remember cigarette ads on TV years ago. Were those good days?—WAKE UP AMERICA!—Stop blaming America for what you perceive as problems in society. You should look to see whether your religion actually makes for a better life. Start with the jails and see how many christians are there. It might surprise you to know that atheists make up the smallest percentage of the prison population when compared with the regular population. But hey, I’m not advocating atheism, just pointing out that christianity does not seem to make for a better person. Maybe you should consider that christianity is part of the problem … no, on second thought I doubt you will. Free will only goes so far, eh?

  • E Favorite

    Greg – I appreciate your explanation and examples.I still wonder how you know these things. Are they in the bible, or did you learn this in Church or some other way?You mention that stoning is out – what about the strictures against homosexuals? Isn’t a lot of that stuff in the same section of Leviticus?In terms of God testing Abraham – I understand the idea of testing faith, but it seems like God could have found a way to do it without traumatizing Abraham’s son into thinking his father was about to murder him. Hard to imagine father and son had a very trusting relationship after that.Then in the New Testament, this same God becomes a father himself and sets his own son up to be sacrificed — and actually goes through with it this time.Luckily, he isn’t dead for long. Now his followers celebrate by symbolically eating his body and drinking his blood.When I was growing up, all of this seemed very natural to me – This story was so second nature, that I don’t remember when I heard it for the first time.Now it seems pretty gruesome.

  • Fate

    Brambleton wrote:Yet God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah killing every “sinner” which must have included all the children in those towns (bad boys and girls?) as well as all the fetuses in the preganant women (must have been many of them!). I would conclude from that event that God really did HATE these people enough to kill them and their children born and unborn. Guess he was in a less than merciful mood that day.—God did not create any human being as a homosexual.—How do you know? Please go to your bible and reference where it says God made all men and women heterosexual. And while you’re at it, explain why Christ reached the ripe age of 30 without getting married. That was very unusual for a jew in those days.—People become homosexuals because they yield to abnormal acts or lust.—And you determined this how? How do you explain lustful people that stay heterosexual and never consider homosexuality? Do you think lust leads to homosexuality? If so where did you learn this?—Though people are not born homosexuals, the Bible does say that ALL human beings are born with a sin nature. If we yield to the evils of the flesh (and don’t take that to mean sex is bad) it will lead to our own personal destruction not only in this life, but in the life to come.—I’ll take that to mean that anything in excess is probably not good. But you don’t need to be homosexual to be lustful, have casual sex or “yield to the evils of the flesh”. Many who are homosexual actually live in monogomous relationships. Sex causing problems in not a homo/hetero issue. And since you brought it up, consider your own sinful nature and that your agitation with homosexuals is itself sinful since you are not doing Gods commandsment of loving your neighbor as yourself.

  • Tonio

    I have understood why anyone’s sexual orientation should be other people’s concern. People in committed monogamous relationships, regardless of orientation, pose no intrinsic harm to others or to society. I have never heard of gays warning straights of eternal damnation if they don’t “join the gay team.”

  • Tonio

    I did it again — my first sentence should start, “I have never understood why…”

  • Tonio

    “How do you prove someone is faithful to you? You test them. That’s what God did, and they passed with flying colors.”Greg, what God did with Abraham was not “testing.” It was a deliberate manipulation of Abraham’s sense of reality. How was Abraham supposed to know what was real and what was illusion? If you doubt the evidence of your own senses, you lose all sense of safety and security.”No, because the parent sees the big picture and knows that the shot is ultimately for the child’s best interest, even though the child does not understand that fact.”That is a huge reason why I am repelled by much of Christian doctrine. First, the way I read that sentence, I will never be considered an adult, no matter how much I demonstrate responsibility or emotional maturity. Second, the most terrifying thing I can image is living under the absolute power of another being, especially a being that may be irrational and insanely jealous and prone to fits of rage. Authority in our world is never absolute, not even that of a parent over a child, and that is the way it should be. I have zero confidence that any being with absolute power would not use that power to satisfy its own wants at my expense.Finally, an adult freely accepts the authority of an employer or a government, and the person or people with that authority definitely exist. And that power relationship is one of mutual benefit for both sides. Religions presuppose the existence of an all-powerful authority figure or figures, with no evidence other that some person’s claims. To me, that is like someone barging into my life, claiming to be my parent, and threatening to kill me if I don’t do exactly what the person says. While I don’t automatically reject the idea of deity, I do reject the idea that I should regard deity as an authority based solely on someone’s claims.

  • John Conolley

    NOSEMAJD:Credit-where-credit-is-due department: Your platoon sergeant’s remark was a originally a Woody Allen joke: “Sex is dirty. If you do it right.”Russell D.:I assure that by “30 or so years ago,” public lynching was well over. Public lynchings were an early twentieth century phenomenon. Even by the 1950’s, lynchings were mostly held late at night far back in the woods. By 1977, lynchings of any kind were unheard of.

  • John Conolley

    Greg: A minor historical point: a number of medieval heresies (What else to call them? “Protestant” would be confusing. “Schismatic” is another church term. Since “heresy” comes from a Greek word meaning “choice,” I go with that.) rejected the OT in toto (except for a few passages they happened to like). The Catholic Church just hated that. But then, the Catholic Church lives by making laws, doesn’t it? And the OT is certainly full of laws, isn’t it?

  • Lorie M.

    Check this out:”I thought you’d proclaim something like God created MAN out of thin air with no SEX mentioned in Da Bible…God created WOMAN out of rib – no SEX mentioned in Da Bible. God created Jesus — well God only knows how — but no SEX is mentioned anywhere…Ergo, it follows that Christians have a special relationship with the Earth and should not screw the environment…Which is better: to offer sound reason for one’s own view or assassinating those of another without offering any rationale or information.The Bible is very clear about Jesus’ genesis. Old Testament prophecies made it clear that the Messiah would be of Jewish ancestry, specifically from ‘the line of David.’ His virgin birth only implies that there was solely a female genetic donor. If scientists didn’t believe it were possible, they wouldn’t spend so much money and try so hard to replicate it!!!P.S.- The Bible does NOT say that woman came from man’s rib but rather from his side. Perhaps the Bible journaled stem cell cloning long before scientific journals did! Once again, looks like God is far ahead of the game!Ha I love it!!!

  • Gaby

    Hi RUSSELL D. and BYRONE!”Thanks, Russell. I’d like to buy you a beer too. Maybe if we have enough of them, we can figure out how to get it through people’s heads that they don’t need religion to love life and love God. Either way, we’ll have a good time! Peace, brother.”I’ll buy you both a beer (and myself too)! I figured it out a long time ago and am much happier for it! Organized religion has little to do with faith and everything to do with dogma and rituals. I don’t need either to believe in God.

  • Stan

    What do you love Lori? Your post made no sense

  • Gaby

    BRAMBLETON,I couldn’t find a biblical passage that condones sex with animals, but it surely must have existed. Why else would there be this passage in Exodus: “22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.”Obviously even back then there were some pretty sick puppies around. The incest part was already addressed so I don’t have anything to add.

  • Russell D.

    Right on Gaby!!I knew I wasn’t full of crap!Only sometimes I am, but I rarley admit it.

  • Greg

    Tonio posted the following in the () (“How do you prove someone is faithful to you? You test them. That’s what God did, and they passed with flying colors.”Greg, what God did with Abraham was not “testing.” It was a deliberate manipulation of Abraham’s sense of reality. How was Abraham supposed to know what was real and what was illusion? If you doubt the evidence of your own senses, you lose all sense of safety and security.)OK we’re not going to agree on this point I think. God was testing his faithfulness by asking him to sacrifice his son. He was not manipulating anything. He did not force Abraham to do anything he was not willing to do. Interesting how God did sacrifice his OWN son in the NT.(“No, because the parent sees the big picture and knows that the shot is ultimately for the child’s best interest, even though the child does not understand that fact.”That is a huge reason why I am repelled by much of Christian doctrine. First, the way I read that sentence, I will never be considered an adult, no matter how much I demonstrate responsibility or emotional maturity. )Now you’re talking about spiritual maturity I think, which is different from physical maturity. Spiritual maturity comes from walking the walk and not just reading the Bible and talking the talk. God does not want spiritual babies, He wants mature Christians who will go and fulfill Matthew 25 etc… [sheep and goats]. The book of Hebrews makes this point. Personally I am probably a teenager, I know enough to know I have a long way to go. God does have a plan for us and when we have the faith to follow that plan He richly rewards us. It does not mean we get fooled or that we’re going to have an easy life, it does mean that he’ll not abandon us in the storms. (Second, the most terrifying thing I can image is living under the absolute power of another being, especially a being that may be irrational and insanely jealous and prone to fits of rage. Authority in our world is never absolute, not even that of a parent over a child, and that is the way it should be. I have zero confidence that any being with absolute power would not use that power to satisfy its own wants at my expense.)God does not demand we follow him, he asks us to. We are free to accept or reject that offer. We have the gift of free will, we are always faced with choices, some easy some difficult. With those choices come consequences some good, some bad. And unlike humans where absolute power corrupts absolutely, God’s nature does not change. Now I am not a bible scholar so my knowledge is limited, and I’ll be the first to admit ignorance if I don’t have an answer. (Finally, an adult freely accepts the authority of an employer or a government, and the person or people with that authority definitely exist. And that power relationship is one of mutual benefit for both sides. Religions presuppose the existence of an all-powerful authority figure or figures, with no evidence other that some person’s claims. To me, that is like someone barging into my life, claiming to be my parent, and threatening to kill me if I don’t do exactly what the person says. While I don’t automatically reject the idea of deity, I do reject the idea that I should regard deity as an authority based solely on someone’s claims.)Jesus does not barge in, he knocks and asks if you’ll follow Him. And with Jesus, it’s about relationship, not religion. That’s one of the major problems with Christianity, many think it’s the other way around and history proves the folly in that belief. And we do benefit from this kind of faith. God benefits because His people are ministering to the ‘least of these’, and bringing more people to Him [without bible bashing] we benefit because when our time on earth is at an end, we get eternal relationship with Him and His Father. It all comes down to choice.

  • Russell D.

    Hey Greg,

  • Tonio

    Greg,”God was testing his faithfulness by asking him to sacrifice his son. He was not manipulating anything.”Regardless of God’s intentions, if I had been Abraham I would have felt manipulated. Even if I agreed with you about testing, it is wrong to use the life of someone’s child for such a test, even if it’s God who is doing the test.”It all comes down to choice.”Under Christian doctrine, there is no real choice because God holds the threat of hell over humans’ heads. That is simply trying to scare people into obedience. That would be like me using capital punishment to discipline my children.

  • Patrem Omnipotentem

    “God does not demand we follow him, he asks us to. We are free to accept or reject that offer. “AND IF YOU REJECT HIS OFFER???HELL FIRE & DAAAMNATION FOR ETEEERNITY!!!!

  • Fate

    CWS wrote:I find cherry-picking the choice of almost all religions. If you think its only christians, take a look at the Muslims these days. And what I find VERY annoying is the quotes from the bible where at times the quote is taken out of context. But I do find it refreshing that some christians are finally asking the right question “What would Jesus do?”. I know, its overused and used comically at times but I find it the most important thing for any christian to consider. If you only refer to the bible you can only deal with things God or Jesus delt with and was written down, hopefully accurately. Everything else is just up in the air unless you ask that question. And the bible allows slavery and other acts we today would throw people in jail for, and, I think we can all assume, Jesus would be against though he never spoke against it and God spoke for it. I find it funny but typical that Cal only uses one quote from the bible to make his point, a quote that has no direct bearing on this subject but IMPLIES God has some rules about sex. The rest of Cal’s essay has no references, just what Cal thinks the bible and Jesus support. This is the danger of religion, following those who claim to know the bible but really know little or make it up as they go along. You see, the bible is not where people put their trust, except for those who read it and understand it, which is a minority of christians. Most christians putall of their faith in the people who claim the moral authority of the bible. If you don’t know how dangerous that can be, ask any former Catholic alter boy.

  • ndpoli

    Great post Cal. Keep up the good work.

  • ndpoli

    Great post Cal. Keep up the good work.

  • ndpoli

    Great post Cal. Keep up the good work.